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Quote by gulsonroad30664
good way to blame the workers for economic woes. government may want the tanker drivers to strike ?

I believe the Torys do see Unions as good sport, and fare game lol
Quote by gulsonroad30664
iran has never attacked another country
according to the international watchdog, the international atomic energy authority and the c.i.a., iran is not creating the nuclear ability to create atomic weapons but solely peaceful electricity productive capacity.
iran is surrounded by nuclear powers. america in afghanistan and every other bananistan, india and pakistan but most of all israel that reportedly has 300 nuclear weapons and refuses to sign up to the non proliferation treaty which iran has.
israel has bombed gaza many times, bombed and invaded lebanon many times, bombed syria and bombed the uss liberty during or rather at the beginning of the 1967 war. it even attacked and killed people on an aid ship delivering vital humanitarian aid to gaza.
deliberately, haveyourdinnerdad was misquoted. he never said anything of the sort about wiping israel, i mean palestine, off the face of the earth.
the war mongering and arab springs are products of psyops created in tel aviv, wall street and the city of london to overthrow existing regimes in the middle east to secure oil, gas and minerals for the west but more importantly, to prevent india and china from obtaining the same.
the figure of 9 thousand dead in syria as a result of the syrian regimes crack down on peaceful ? protesters is pure fabrication. the syrian free army is the priduct of western intelligence and special forces.
the danger does not come from iran, but western agression that the whole of the world can plainly see because the are not so inundated with with the propaganda and media control that exists here.
the greatest danger comes from a false flag (gulf of tonkin) incident perpetrated by the west/israel. not iran.

Well, not beyond the realms I guess
Quote by MartnJewl

what a way to make a union and its strikers look bad before they even go out on strike.

Spot on Star, and its working... Bloody Unions wink
Great way to deflect the press away from the tax changes for pensioners and cash for getting the ear of the prime minister. In the meantime the UNITE still haven't announced a strike and will be sat round the table on Monday in negotions. Bloody Cameron and co.
A good way to bury bad news :wink:
The important thing for me is this campaign has had an effect and a good result.
I suspect that the Chancellor was asking business for things he could do to get the economy moving and they all listed the now-defunct planning regime as their top problem. Add in a grievous undersupply of affordable housing and a stagnant housing market, and it makes sense that a new planning framework would 'prioritise growth'. The failure was for the Government to take its eye off the countryside concern, and then to lash out when that failure was exposed.
As the title of this article suggests (with full credit to George Orwell) the quickest way for Clark and co to dig themselves out of the hole they had dug was to concede defeat, and it is no mean feat that they did so yesterday in a manner that has drawn praise from most quarters.
However the countryside must not go back to being ignored. According to figures from the Rural Shops Alliance, rural shops are closing at a rate of around 33 per month across the UK, with around 12% of independent shops closing in 2010 alone. Rural primary schools are closing at the rate of one a month because of a lack of affordable housing for families, and around 900 rural pubs closed last year. Figures from the Countryside Alliance found that rural drivers are paying over 4p more per litre at the pump than those in urban areas, and the cost of commuting to work adds at least an extra £17 onto the family bills each month. Rates of fuel poverty are much higher in the countryside and the average broadband speed pails in comparison to Britain's towns and cities.
Getting our planning laws right was a big issue to ensure we protect our green spaces. But the countryside is not just pretty fields and forests; it is a living, breathing environment and the people who live there need to be listened to on all the issues, not just those that make prime time.


Planning minister Greg Clark has said there should be a presumption against the building of more out-of-town shopping centres, and insisted the green belt would continue to be protected, as he announced the biggest shakeup of the planning system for more than half a century.
The National Planning Policy Framework replaces more than 1,000 pages of planning rules put in place by successive governments with a single, 50-page document intended to simplify the system and kickstart more housebuilding and other development to create jobs.
The new guidelines, which came into force immediately, are built around a "presumption in favour of sustainable development", which planners are told should balance the needs of the environment, economic sustainability, social needs, good governance and sound science.
In concessions to opponents of last year's draft document, the new framework stipulates that brownfield sites should usually be developed before greenfield sites, and town centres before out-of-town sites. It recognises the "intrinsic value and beauty" of the wider countryside, specifically protects playing fields, and bars "garden grabbing" for development.


:thumbup: Happy days :thumbup:
Quote by starlightcouple

call me a cynical fool but I believe that the government deliberatly gave this message out to the public, so as to force panic buying and then petrol stations running out of they reely be that stupid or knew what they were doing all along?
Why you may ask well.
if there is panic buying and garages run out of fuel and people cannot then use there cars, are the tanker drivers and there union reely going to still go out on strike? for one thing there would be no reeson to as there would be no fuel, and secondly the tanker drivers would take a large chunk of the blame for the panic buying. so the government get the public to turn against the tanker drivers in a huge way, whilst diverting the publics attention away from the government. possible? oh yes without a doubt.
what a way to make a union and its strikers look bad before they even go out on strike.

Spot on Star, and its working... Bloody Unions wink
Quote by Ben_Minx
Yeah like I said NIMBYs.

Like I said, I feel you are wrong, For instance, it is not my back yard is it, I already live in a town dunno
I thought green belts usually surrounded towns.
Are you coming to any point? Or just taking the pee?
Quote by Ben_Minx
Yeah like I said NIMBYs.

Like I said, I feel you are wrong, For instance, it is not my back yard is it, I already live in a town dunno
Quote by Ben_Minx
Quite. The definition of countryside is as woolly as ever. Nimbys masquerading as environmentalists I reckon.

Of coarse that is your view, however, I think you are incorrect. I think it sensible to try to protect the countryside, or green belt land, if that helps you Ben. That is my view, clearly the opposite to yours.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Hands off whose land ? are the government planning to input compulsory purchase orders to build whatever it is they plan to build ? they do this a lot in the towns and cities so I just wondered if this is what this thread is about, or are they just planning to relax planning laws and utilise the land owned by ALL the taxpayers of the UK to make more room for our expanding population.
Has anyone living in the Countryside ever objected to the masses of building, compulsory purchase orders, land fill or anything else that happens in our urban areas, why if we need the land for other purposes should we not be allowed to use it, is there a law that says it is only for those in that area to dictate what is done with it, don't get me wrong I love the countryside and would love to keep it as it is, but needs as must and I am a realist, if we need it then we need it just as things are used in urban areas. Lately there are a few threads about those living in sparcely populated areas, well those living in urban areas have problems too, take fuel, it may cost more in rural areas but when it's in the tank you get to use it moving around not use it like urbanites do stuck in traffic jams for hours on end, slow crawling to and from work everyday, changing gear and stopping n starting every few minutes making consumption higher for like for like distance journeys. We have health hazards in pollution and germ transference abounding.
People in the countryside have the option to move to the urban areas, people in urban areas do not have the option to move to the countryside unless there are new planning laws as are being implemented now. Food for thought perhaps

Build away then until your heart is content, short sighted in my view though.
The population can not continue to expand for ever. I was born in the countryside but sadly unable to afford to live there now, had to move to a more urban area, but I would still not support short sighted planning laws just to get a house in the countryside
Quote by Ben_Minx
My point, and I apologise as I have made the point before, is that you dont define what you mean by countryside.

You will find plenty of information in the links as to what the campaign stands for.
Thankfully they have made some great steps forward
Much info can be found here
Quote by starlightcouple
Bloody unions, I shit them :sad:

where is king arfur when you need him eh? :bounce:
Moving house I believe wink
Quote by Lizaleanrob
like you blue iv`e walked many miles of farmland and countryside nothing more stunning than when its covered with snow
many brooks and streams that make nice little places for a secluded picnic on a summers day :rascal:
things like watching grayling and chub gracing the waters
i agree blue hand off our countryside and leave the high rise blocks for the ignorant that doesn't appreciate it and don't know how to use it wink

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I could not agree more Rob, The campian is after all, as it says, to save "our" country side... I looked at the word, "our" and presumed it meant everyone, after all it is ours, yours mine, and even Bens
I love the countryside with a passion and will support any campaign that helps protect it.
Hands Off Our Land: campaigners hail a 'good day for anyone who cares about the countryside'
Campaigners have welcomed the Government’s decision to water down planning reforms that threatened unrestrained building across swathes of the English countryside.
Groups including the National Trust and the Campaign to Protect Rural England expressed relief that ministers had listened to their concerns after months of argument.
Quote by flower411
As a fellow P.E. reader HnS you know as well as I do that this is common knowledge and has been for a good while .... nice to see a proper bit of public spirited journalism for a change though,and always a pleasure to see horsey Dave with egg on his face

No need to read Private Eye to understand how things work. I`d say it`s simply common sense.
Could somebody tell me why else an individual or company would donate six figure sums to a political party ?
It would certainly appear naive to suggest that they do it on the off chance that they`ll receive some advantage. If I was handing over a quarter of a million quid, I`d certainly want assurances that I was getting something in return. But then I wouldn`t be handing over that kind of money to a politician, I`d give it to someone with some power !
As to the public spirited journalism ! It`s all just a smoke screen giving the voting public the impression that they can affect things at the ballot box.
Welcome back Flower, good to here from you
You are dead right, you only have to look back at the millions given to the Labour Government, by misguided animal rights movements.
Quote by Ben_Minx
Depends what "countryside" means.
Farms, factories, all the same to me tbh.

I am stunned by this statement
So that is where we differ on a massive scale then, and helps explain many of your, to me seemingly, strange statements.
For me factory's, Farm land, and countryside differ massively. My hope would be for many generations to come to be able to enjoy time in the countryside. I would hate for them to have to plan a picnic in a farmyard or a factory :sad:
I believe this is just one more step on the road to privatisation, giving them a chance to look profitable to any buyer.
Quote by Ben_Minx
This land is your land................

Yes in deed, but will we not reach critical mass at some point, we can not keep building and destroying the future generations chances of seeing countryside... Can we?
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Fuck 'em I'll organise a riot on twitter and firebomb the lot of them ....
Anyone know how twitter works ???

I think it what birds do, and a few here twitter on a bit
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Unless of course you happen own a large estate in Dorset .... then of course you can build a large mock tudor monstrosity with impunity

Do you have a link to prove this claim? lol
Now you know I never provide links Blue

Oh I see, a dig in the ribs for the Royals wink

School playing fields will be given special protection against being sold off for housing developments, after ministers agreed to water down their controversial planning reforms.

A new city could be built in the Midlands alongside the controversial High Speed 2 rail line as part of a drive to tackle the country’s housing shortage.
The transport project’s chief engineer said up to 100,000 homes could be built on green belt land.
Back handers, outrageous, never known it happen before wink
I think my Dad called it oiling the wheels of industry
The beauty of our landscapes,
the particular cultures and traditions that rural life
sustains – for me, our countryside is what makes
Britain great.

Here here, lets hope he means it and does his best to see it right
The UK’s 1,900 rural petrol stations could be “completely wiped out” in a decade by rising fuel prices, experts have warned.
The price of petrol hit record highs last week, with the cost of filling a large family car with unleaded petrol reaching almost £100. The price is set to rise even further in August when the Government increases fuel duty.
Brian Madderson, the chairman of RMI Petrol, the forecourt association, said that hundreds of rural forecourts a year could be forced to close due to the rises.
This is because while supermarket-owned petrol stations in towns and cities can afford to absorb the price rises or even offer price cuts, small independently-owned rural petrol stations can not.
Petrol in the countryside is already up to 8 pence a litre more expensive than in towns because of the high cost of having it delivered.
Mr Madderson estimated that up to 250 rural forecourts could be driven out of business by the high cost of petrol each year between now and 2022.
Shame really
A simple stat for you to start: there are four mentions of 'rural' in the Budget document released by the Treasury today and 13 for 'cities'.
Although there is absolutely nothing empirical to derive from that fact, it does serve to highlight that the budget George Osborne delivered today was not one for the countryside.
Sure there were a few fillips thrown to the rural economy to keep it ticking over - extending mobile coverage to 60,000 rural homes and revealing the location of the Rural Growth Networks announced at the Autumn Statement last year - but overall it's clear that the chancellor was focussed primarily on urban growth.
In some cases that focus becomes faintly ludicrous. In December 2011 the Countryside Alliance conducted research on the pace of the Government's £500 million rural broadband roll-out. Using FOI requests we established that the four pilot areas announced by George Osborne in his first pre-budget report in 2010 had barely received any cash from the Treasury for their broadband projects, and certainly hadn't started producing faster connections for residents.
Now, 18 months on from that announcement, rather than tackling the snail pace of the roll-out in the countryside, George Osborne has instead found £100 million to make the very decent speed of broadband in 10 UK cities 'ultra-fast'.
Yet again, the Chancellor decided to set new planning regulations as a tool for 'growth', rather than as a sensible simplification of a set of rules that had grown out of control. The revised 'National Planning Policy Framework' will be announced next Tuesday, but (as I wrote here last week) it seems that the much-hated and totally unnecessary 'presumption in favour of sustainable development' is here to stay.
But the most painful and ill-judged strike at the heart of the rural economy is the Chancellor's decision not to reverse the planned fuel rise in August. Countryside Alliance research in February found that drivers filling up in rural petrol stations are already paying on average 4p more than their urban counterparts for every litre, sometimes rising as high as seven or eight pence in certain areas. To not prevent that cost from rising even further basically wipes out the savings from other initiatives such as raising the personal tax allowance in one fell swoop.
The countryside is used to having its problems ignored - for 13 years a Labour Government whose MPs were almost exclusively concentrated in urban areas did just that at budget after pre-budget. But people in rural areas can legitimately have hoped for a little more from the Coalition today.

More good signs surely lol
GlaxoSmithKline to create up to 1,000 jobs in Cumbria and Scotland
Pharmaceuticals group to build first new UK factory in 40 years and upgrade two facilities as chief executive praises patent tax measures in budget
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Ed Miliband: Benefits Should Be Taken Away If Young Refuse Work
Sounds more like a Tory policy than Labour wink

Sorry Blue, perhaps I should have edited the above to this.....
Quote by Bluefish2009
Sounds more like a Tory policy than Labour :wink:

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Quote by Mr-Powers
If your Dyslexic....wouldn't the spell checker be pretty pointless? dunno

The teachers used to say to me, "use a dictionary", but I can not spell the word so how could I find it?
Quote by Steve

You are quoting your self but not me. dunno

Quite correct :thumbup:
I've done so to reiterate that I am not simply making up the figures in my head but they are figures I have taken from an interview I saw....
Again, I have not seen where anyone has asked for a reduction below urban price.
Quote by pebble
I get asked this on a regular basis, from complete strangers, within the first few lines of communication (eg. hello, fancy camming, have you had many meets). Why do people ask this? Am I alone in thinking this doesn't even make sense? Many meets compared to what? On occasion I will reply "none of your business", which I know to be a fair reply yet is perceived as abrupt, if not bitchy. Do others get this? What do you make of this type of questioning?

On a more serious note, Have you had many meets? lol