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Blue given that 26 Bishops sit in the house of Lords they do have a say in this whether we like it or not .... I don't
Is that your down falling or there's?
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Unless of course you happen own a large estate in Dorset .... then of course you can build a large mock tudor monstrosity with impunity
Do you have a link to prove this claim?
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Ed Miliband: Benefits Should Be Taken Away If Young Refuse Work
Sounds more like a Tory policy than Labour
Really ??? where were you for the last 15 years ???
Here in Dorset, has he done this dastardly thing by stealth? Hang on, he has only been there a few months!
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Quote by starlightcouple
it begins to look like stubborn bloody mindedness rather than a genuine mistake after a while
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get over it and get on with it.
what great advice mr staggers. now act on it !
Sadly Star, I feel, there are those of us who may always face produce's from some who sit upon high :sad: or perhaps, more correctly, fell they sit upon some illusion of high
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Quote by Steve
If the campaign gets a reduction in fuel duty for all I'll be happy with that (as would everyone else I suspect) but I'm afraid I don't see why some should get cheaper fuel simply because they live in a nice rural location...
You keep making things up, again no where have I said or suggested cheaper fuel
So are the fuel companies going to allow a discount out of the goodness of their hearts ?
I doubt it...
As I said previously.....
An news article I saw stated fuel was 4p a litre more and the campaign was to get a 5p a litre subsidy....
I'm sure you'll agree that makes it 1p a lire cheaper doesn't it.....
Just so you don't have to bother searching I've quoted myself from earlier in the thread....
Quote by Steve
Sorry but if it cost's more to get the product there then it's naturally going to have to be priced higher....
A news article I saw said they pay 4p a litre more and there was a move to get them a reduction of 5p per litre...
So why all of a sudden should they pay less ?
You are quoting your self but not me.
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Quote by Ben_Minx
"Officials hope to start vaccinating within two to three months.
Badgers will be trapped in cages and marked so they are not vaccinated multiple times."
Welsh farmers are still hoping that the marking will consist of a small luminous target roundel.
:sleeping:
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Quote by neilinleeds
Welsh Assembly overturn previous decision to introduce culling:
Interesting that one of the reasons given is that a cull would be open to a legal challenge under the Animal Health Act 1981, I think on the grounds that as per Section 21 of the Act the Govt have to demonstrate that a cull is necessary in order to 'eliminate, or substantially reduce' incidence of TB in cattle. I think the Wesh Assembly might be right on that now that there's a licensed vaccine available that could be said to make a cull unnecessary, and right to be concerned that even if no vaccine was available a cull would quite probably fail the 'eliminate, or substantially reduce' test. Gonna be interesting to see if this leads to further developments on the plans for a cull in England.
I shall follow this with great interest, thanks for the link
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Quote by starlightcouple
If the campaign gets a reduction in fuel duty for all I'll be happy with that (as would everyone else I suspect) but I'm afraid I don't see why some should get cheaper fuel simply because they live in a nice rural location...
even if there is a reduction in fuel steve of say 5p a litre, that is only about a saving of on a tankful of fuel costing nearly £70. it is hardly going to make a great difference. also it seems that over the last year as soon as the price of fuel has dropped with say asda running a scheme, the fuel then rises again the following week.
the government reely need to reduce the 60p in the pound in taxes it steals. that is a scandelous amount of money that goes to the treasury.
the trouble is the motorist has been used as a cash cow for yeers and yeers, and it is only now when money is so tight, and the ability to be able to afford to run a car are now being questioned, are peeple at long last realsing that we are all being taken for mugs. the car is such an easy source of revenue for the government, as is cigarettes and booze. the time has now come with fuel where unless it is a significant reduction of 15p a litre cheeper, whatever reduction that may happen will be swallowed up within weeks.
and your last point steve is yes, why should peeple who live in a lovely rural setting get paid extra in one way or another to live there? why should peeple living in inner cities subsidise them at all?
Show me where this happens, or where I have asked for this to happen
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Quote by Steve
If the campaign gets a reduction in fuel duty for all I'll be happy with that (as would everyone else I suspect) but I'm afraid I don't see why some should get cheaper fuel simply because they live in a nice rural location...
You keep making things up, again no where have I said or suggested cheaper fuel
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Quote by northwest-cpl
smaller demand and less competition have led to a higher price of diesel
Welcome to the market economy.
Indeed, but I fully support those in rural areas with there campaign to influence those in power
In advance of the Budget and the revised National Planning Policy Framework (NPPF), the Countryside Alliance has today called on the Chancellor to deliver a budget that tackles the spiralling cost of fuel, brings forward the 4G mobile phone spectrum auction, and provides Britain with a planning framework that allows rural businesses to grow and homes to be built, without concentrating power in the hands of developers.
Barney White-Spunner, Executive Chairman of the Countryside Alliance, said:
“The Countryside Alliance has identified three areas in which it hopes the Chancellor will act to give the rural economy a timely and much-needed boost. The first, removing the planned rise in fuel duty, will be of enormous benefit to hard-pressed families across Britain, but particularly to those living in the countryside. Alliance research found on average rural drivers are paying over 4p per litre more for their fuel and travelling several hundred miles more each month to get to work, to schools and the supermarket. Reversing the planned rise in duty in August would be a small token that would go a long way in the countryside.
“Secondly we call on the Government to make the auction of the 4G mobile spectrum a high priority. It is a disgrace that Britain is lagging so far behind our European and US competitors on this, and the poor coverage in rural areas is acting as a road block to the growth of rural businesses. To ensure that not-spots are a thing of the past we ask that the auction is competitive and structured to support universal coverage at 2mbps across the UK.
“Finally, the Countryside Alliance reiterates its hope that the re-drafted planning framework puts the power to decide what developments and where they are located in the hands of local communities. The rural economy depends on more affordable housing been built in the countryside and rural businesses being allowed to expand, but it must be appropriate development and supported by local people. To that end the Alliance again calls on the Government to ensure that the ‘Brownfield first’ clause is reinstated into the planning framework along with a clear definition of “sustainable development”, which is in line with the current UK Sustainable Development Strategy.”
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New research shows that cost of diesel at rural filling stations is over 4p more per litre than diesel at stations in urban areas. Higher prices at rural filling stations, coupled with longer distances between home, work and essential services, means cars are becoming an ‘unaffordable necessity’ for many living in rural communities. As the debate over fuel duty gets heated in the run-up to this year’s budget, the Countryside Alliance has today released research that shows how the price of a litre of diesel is much higher at filling stations in the countryside, and have urged the Chancellor to tackle the rising cost of fuel in the budget for the good of the rural economy.
Key Findings
Drivers filling up at stations in rural areas will, on average, pay over 4 pence more for the cheapest litre of diesel compared with the cheapest in urban areas.
Those living in Purbeck and Ryedale fare worst, with for a litre of diesel being the lowest price in their area. City dwellers are far more fortunate, with drivers from North Tyneside, to Birmingham, to Dartford benefiting from a pump price of That’s a difference of per litre. (All prices are from )
Despite people who live and work in rural areas having to cover much greater distances in their cars, smaller demand and less competition have led to a higher price of diesel, with serious and detrimental effects on the rural economy.
Barney White-Spunner, Executive Chairman of the Countryside Alliance, said:
“Not only do people living in rural areas have to drive further to go to work, further to access essential services like schools, doctors and the supermarket; but they have to pay a lot more for their diesel to do so. The cost of fuel is a major concern for everyone who lives in the countryside, and cars are fast becoming an unaffordable necessity for many rural families. We urge the Chancellor to help the rural economy get back on its feet and to cut fuel duty in his forthcoming budget.”
Research (all figures from ):
See findings here;
Key Findings
Drivers filling up at stations in rural areas will, on average, pay over 4 pence more for the cheapest litre of diesel compared with the cheapest in urban areas.
Those living in Purbeck and Ryedale fare worst, with for a litre of diesel being the lowest price in their area. City dwellers are far more fortunate, with drivers from North Tyneside, to Birmingham, to Dartford benefiting from a pump price of That’s a difference of per litre. (All prices are from )
Despite people who live and work in rural areas having to cover much greater distances in their cars, smaller demand and less competition have led to a higher price of diesel, with serious and detrimental effects on the rural economy.
Barney White-Spunner, Executive Chairman of the Countryside Alliance, said:
“Not only do people living in rural areas have to drive further to go to work, further to access essential services like schools, doctors and the supermarket; but they have to pay a lot more for their diesel to do so. The cost of fuel is a major concern for everyone who lives in the countryside, and cars are fast becoming an unaffordable necessity for many rural families. We urge the Chancellor to help the rural economy get back on its feet and to cut fuel duty in his forthcoming budget.”
Research (all figures from ):
See findings here;
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Quote by Steve
I have to be honest, I think the delivery cost argument is a bit red herring. For in stance, we shop at a rural Tescos store which prices are exactly the same as the one in town. Many big chain stores sell there products at a set price no matter how far from there warehouse they travel.
You may consider it a red herring but I can tell you I know it cost's them more for a delivery ....
A lot of supermarkets use their own vehicles to deliver fuel thus absorbing the cost better than using an outside source .....
Yet I can buy a product in a Tesco's near to there main warehouse in Surry for the same price as I can at a Tesco's in Devon or Dorset.
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Quote by MidsCouple24
If rural areas have to pay more for fuel because it costs more to deliver it to rural areas, should people in areas close to refineries expect a discount on thier fuel ?
Surely that would be fair, if you can use the further away argument, I think a swings and roundabouts situation exists, it costs more to deliver to some areas but less for others obviously.
I don't know for sure but do Companies charge more for goods in rural areas ? Asda, Tesco, Land Rover, Everest ? is a tin of beans dearer in Asda's rural shops more expensive than it is in Stoke on Trent.
Aberystwyth Morrisons have the same shop floor prices as Stoke Morrisons but the Aber store is 2 hours further away from the nearest Morrisons Depot.
What is the price of a litre of fuel in the rural town of Aberystwyth which boasts only two petrol stations (one being Morrisons) compared with the price of a litre in Manchester ? surely there is an argument for "cachement" the lesser population of Aber are forced to use 2 brands of fuel whereas the competition between fuel suppliers in Manchester is vast, do they therefore sell the same amount of fuel in some of these areas, what I mean is if the stations in Aber are Morrisons and Esso they have far less competition in the area, perhaps this is why they think they can get away with the higher charges.
I have to be honest, I think the delivery cost argument is a bit red herring. For in stance, we shop at a rural Tescos store which prices are exactly the same as the one in town. Many big chain stores sell there products at a set price no matter how far from there warehouse they travel.
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Quote by foxylady2209
It's a shame the musical legacy was limited by the reference to the Beatles - a modern band. What about Elgar, Vaughan Williams, Britten, Talis, JC Bach (the 'English' Bach) and so man others. I suppose these geniuses were lumped in with 'art & culture' for some reason.
A travesty no less, I cant stand the Beatles personally
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Quote by Freckledbird
Why not spell 'constructive' correctly?
obviously you are in the wrong profession to understand and to offer any sympathy. i thought teachers now were taught to understand? not in all cases it would seem. :doh:
would you treat a pupil in the same disrespectful manner :dunno:
I could not speak for Freckledbird, but many of the teachers in the school I went to, were very unsympathetic.
I don't think sympathy is required, actually. For diagnosed dyslexics, support is given. Years ago, dyslexia was not always diagnosed. And then there is the issue of people who just label themselves dyslexic, without proper diagnosis.
Perhaps not, but then is rudeness about ones short comings required either?
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Quote by starlightcouple
Why not spell 'constructive' correctly?
obviously you are in the wrong profession to understand and to offer any sympathy. i thought teachers now were taught to understand? not in all cases it would seem. :doh:
would you treat a pupil in the same disrespectful manner :dunno:
I could not speak for Freckledbird, but many of the teachers in the school I went to, were very unsympathetic.
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Natural England has insisted many of its concerns over the badger cull "have been addressed" by the Government after private documents expressed concern that entire clans of the animal could be destroyed in the South West.
The agency, which will issue licences to groups of farmers under the policy, was obliged to release advice it presented to the Department for Environment, Farming and Rural Affairs (Defra), following a Freedom of Information (FOI) request submitted by the Labour Party.
The agency, which will issue licences to groups of farmers under the policy, was obliged to release advice it presented to the Department for Environment, Farming and Rural Affairs (Defra), following a Freedom of Information (FOI) request submitted by the Labour Party.
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Makes you proud to be British, Our green and pleasant land: Countryside is voted thing that makes us most proud to be British
PRIDE OF BRITAIN: TOP TEN
1. The Countryside: 51 per cent
2. British sense of humour: 44
3. The Royal Family: 43
4. Armed Forces: 33
5. The BBC: 31
6. Musical legacy (like the Beatles): 29
7. Architecture: 29
8. The Pound: 28
9. Art and Culture: 28
10. British Empire: 20
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PRIDE OF BRITAIN: TOP TEN
1. The Countryside: 51 per cent
2. British sense of humour: 44
3. The Royal Family: 43
4. Armed Forces: 33
5. The BBC: 31
6. Musical legacy (like the Beatles): 29
7. Architecture: 29
8. The Pound: 28
9. Art and Culture: 28
10. British Empire: 20
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Hands Off Our Land: Frustrated Osborne vows to make building on countryside easier as cracks show in Government
George Osborne yesterday pledged to push through planning rules that will make it easier to build in the countryside, despite reassurances by ministerial colleagues that the reforms will not be a "developer's charter".
George Osborne yesterday pledged to push through planning rules that will make it easier to build in the countryside, despite reassurances by ministerial colleagues that the reforms will not be a "developer's charter".
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Quote by MidsCouple24
I don't know what I pay for a litre or a gallon of Diesel, the simple fact I face is that if I need it I have to pay the price but I am this way because I rarely use my car, it is 18 months old and has less than 5000 miles on the clock so with that kind of useage it is not worth me caring, I sympathise with those that have to do a lot of mileage and especially those in London who have to pay to park outside thier home or to travel around the area they live in, I am against this form of taxation, of course if your a politician you can claim it back as expenses and don't even have to pay road tax for your 1st vehicle so it's not bad for everyone and as a politician you can even claim back your fuel costs for getting to and from work so at least some people can stay above the poverty line and still run a car comfortably, oh and you can claim back any interest you pay on purchasing your car and the VAT element of purchasing it, service costs, new tyres etc.
ah so your are one of the two then?
Quote by MidsCouple24
and especially those in London who have to pay to park outside thier home or to travel around the area they live in
i think we have done the london does everything wrong talk.
i think you will find that london is not the only place where your comments are correct. there are plenty of other places where you would have to pay or have a permit to park outside your house. they are not all in london you will be suprised to heer. :doh:
these are not just in london where parking outside your home is a problem. i have a permit that is given to me by my local council. no charges for me and i live in london :thumbup:
seems paying to park even in your area costs money.
Sorry for supporting Londoners and anyone else who has to pay for what most of us get for free and part of our council tax entitlement. I will not support you all then, I will not think it is unfair that you have to pay it ha ha hope the prices go up and they impose more unfair taxes on you all ...... there does that make you happy (talk about can't do right for doing wrong if I support Londoners I am having a go at them, if I don't support them I am having a go at them, I think it is more yours own hang-ups you should worry about, not mine.
Heads I win, tails you loose
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Quote by starlightcouple
So why all of a sudden should they pay less ?
because they live in rural areas.
i have never seen anyone forced into the country though. so i would presume that peeple live there for the peace and tranquility that living in a rural area brings. no huge traffic problems. no noisy building works etc.
Very true Star, no one is forced to live in the countryside, but not all choose it, many are born there and work there. Not much call for farming in London I am guessing.
i would happily pay double for my fuel if i could live in an area of beauty and no cars and looking out onto rolling countryside. i pay 5p more a litre for my fuel as in london garages have jumped on the wagon of charging more than the average, yet have to put up with noise and pollution and high rise flats, and even our local park has been sold off for some kind of housing project. not much rolling countryside around this way steve.
This works both ways, no one is forced to live in London
as you say steve if it costs more money to get the fuel there, and they are in no way forced to live there, then why should there fuel be cheeper than what i pay for it
Really, 5p a litre on a tanker full of fuel. 18T (4 wheeler) rigid 13,000 Ltr capacity = ... 26T (6 wheeler) rigid 19,000 Ltr capacity = ... what about the rarul areas that are closer to refinery. I fully understand there are running costs per a mile of coarse.... Dylan Sharpe, media officer for the Alliance said: “In urban areas, the cheapest prices are around 130p, whereas in rural areas it’s 144p....That's 14 pence!.
next they will be asking for a subsidy on buying a new car as they have to have one in a rural area. until a time comes when peeple are forced into an area of peace and tranquilty, they should thank there lucky stars of there good fortune. :thumbup:
If they continue to remove public transport from rarual areas you may have a point
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Quote by Steve
Sorry but if it cost's more to get the product there then it's naturally going to have to be priced higher....
A news article I saw said they pay 4p a litre more and there was a move to get them a reduction of 5p per litre...
So why all of a sudden should they pay less ?
Many rural areas are closer to the refinery.... Even if we except the extra traveling cost argument, 4 to 5 pence a litre on a tanker full of fuel does not sound reasonable to me
Dylan Sharpe, media officer for the Alliance said: “In urban areas, the cheapest prices are around 130p, whereas in rural areas it’s 144p....That's 14 pence!.
Lets take, a 26T (6 wheeler) rigid 19,000 Ltr capacity X 14p £2'
I have not herd anyone ask to pay less and would not support that either.
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Quote by tweeky
The price of diesel in rural filling stations is, on average, 4p more than in urban areas, a new survey has shown.
Funny I just looked for an old post on the subject of discounts for fuel in Rural areas but didnt find it. Anyway
the point I wanted to make was the last few times I have stayed with the in laws which is in a very rural area we have done many more miles but used far less fuel. At home I do home to work twice daily which is about 8 miles and local shopping school run etc. Whilst I was at the inlaws I was doing either a 60 mile round trips to the coast or a 30 mile round trips to relatives daily plus the shopping etc. Ive done my tax for the months and I used less fuel whilst away :0 Its all that 5th gear driving. Pff to rural discounts.I am not sure how you could get into 5 gear in rural areas?
Of course most vehicles are more fuel efficient on longer trips once in a high gear. Try some shorter trips down some real rural roads where 2nd and 3rd are required perhaps this may give a better picture
Ive worked in and travelled to much of the country from northern Scotland to the south of England and west Wales. In my experiences there are not many areas where you are driving anything more than 20% of the time in windy little roads. You cant get any more rural than where my Mother in law lives the roadd is not even named yet it joins with lots of small but long roads where the traffic does 50-60 all the way to the next town.
Rural fuel reduction big mistake. Perhaps it should be based on people who only live near bendy roads with no A roads in sight :lol: . In my experiences those places are few and far between. This is the UK after all where if two things exists someone builds a relatively straight road between them.
My work involves travel also, in fact my bill for business fuel last financial year was just over £6'
I don't think I did say rural fuel reduction, if I did that was not my intention. What I would like to see at the very least is equality. I have seen many reports some as much as 5 or 6 pence a litre more in some rural areas. Below is one such article
THE Countryside Alliance selected 30 councils from those under the Government classification of 'very rural' and 30 from the classification 'major urban'.
They used a price comparison website and found the cheapest price for a litre of diesel in rural areas costs 4p more than the cheapest in urban areas.
Dylan Sharpe, media officer for the Alliance said: "In urban areas, the cheapest prices are around 130p, whereas in rural areas it's 144p.
"It may not sound like much, but a full tank can be £6 more."
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Quote by foxylady2209
What we should do is not allow any goods into this country that cannot be proved to have been grown, made, stored, packed and transported to at least the same strict levels that our own are. That includes the local use of chemiclas or processes that are banned in this country.
That is hardly unreasonable. If they can still make their goods cheaper than our home produced ones - good on 'em.
Like this one for instance;
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Quote by Ben_Minx
"‘Kind frens. We’re hall honest British workin’ men, but we’ve been hout of work for the last twenty years on account of foreign competition and over-production. We don’t come hout ’ere because we’re too lazy to work; it’s because we can’t get a job. If it wasn’t for foreign competition, the kind’earted Hinglish capitalists would be able to sell their goods and give us Plenty of Work, and if they could, I assure you that we should hall be perfectly willing and contented to go on workin’ our bloody guts out for the benefit of our masters for the rest of our lives. We’re quite willin’ to work: that’s hall we arst for – Plenty of Work – but as we can’t get it we’re forced to come out ’ere and arst you to spare a few coppers towards a crust of bread and a night’s lodgin’."
Written in 1910.
'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists' (RTP) is a very readable account of how capitalism operates in the workplace, but in some ways it is also a very contradictory book.
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Ed Miliband: Benefits Should Be Taken Away If Young Refuse Work
Sounds more like a Tory policy than Labour
Sounds more like a Tory policy than Labour
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I hope these low lives are caught and face the full force of the law
Within days he believes animal activists started targeting his farm. While police say there does not appear to be a link at this stage, they are investigating the "extremely serious" offences.
In the first incident a barn housing 52 newborn calves erupted into flames during the middle of the night.
Mr Stewart, who had farmed without incident for eight years, and his wife Marie, 58, were woken by the smell of burning about 3am on February 1 .
They dashed outside and evacuated the calves, some as young as one week old, and dialled 999.
Firefighters extinguished the flames but one tonne of powdered milk, costing £1,400, was destroyed and serious damage caused to the roof.
Believing it was an accident at first, his fears were compounded when he found his milk had been poisoned.
"I can't believe there are people in the country or even in the countryside who can do such an act," he said.
"If they want to give a message I'm sure there are far better ways of doing it."
"It was very frightening. Glass was shattering and the roof was falling in while we were getting the calves out."The second attack, at on February 20, led to another fire, causing £27,500 worth of damage.
A straw barn, containing a muck spreader, 100 tonnes of straw and 29.5 tonnes of fertiliser, was burned down.
Milk has twice been contaminated by a currently unknown substance and Mr Stewart has been forced to throw away more than 44,000 pints of milk. The family will also have to pay £6,000 in costs to refund producers
Within days he believes animal activists started targeting his farm. While police say there does not appear to be a link at this stage, they are investigating the "extremely serious" offences.
In the first incident a barn housing 52 newborn calves erupted into flames during the middle of the night.
Mr Stewart, who had farmed without incident for eight years, and his wife Marie, 58, were woken by the smell of burning about 3am on February 1 .
They dashed outside and evacuated the calves, some as young as one week old, and dialled 999.
Firefighters extinguished the flames but one tonne of powdered milk, costing £1,400, was destroyed and serious damage caused to the roof.
Believing it was an accident at first, his fears were compounded when he found his milk had been poisoned.
"I can't believe there are people in the country or even in the countryside who can do such an act," he said.
"If they want to give a message I'm sure there are far better ways of doing it."
"It was very frightening. Glass was shattering and the roof was falling in while we were getting the calves out."The second attack, at on February 20, led to another fire, causing £27,500 worth of damage.
A straw barn, containing a muck spreader, 100 tonnes of straw and 29.5 tonnes of fertiliser, was burned down.
Milk has twice been contaminated by a currently unknown substance and Mr Stewart has been forced to throw away more than 44,000 pints of milk. The family will also have to pay £6,000 in costs to refund producers
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Hands Off Our Land: 45 Tory and Liberal Democrat MPs tell David Cameron to rethink planning reforms
David Cameron has been told by his own MPs to put the countryside ahead of the need to stimulate the economy, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Let us hope he listens
David Cameron has been told by his own MPs to put the countryside ahead of the need to stimulate the economy, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Let us hope he listens
