Ummmmm Hi and welcome to the forum would have been nice still whatever. Perhaps I was not quite fair on Stan, it was his fame and the peeps who set him up with the press who are to blame for the rapid increase of the "new breed" of doggers after it was splashed all over the national try to tell us this was not case is a little insulting. The average age of single guys dogging on the sites we went on (and they are some of the most popular ones throughout the North of England) was around 35, post Stan it's dropped down to early/ mid 20 somethings and the numbers of "doggers" shot up. The best comment on this was overheard in a pub we visited it ran along the lines of "Hey read that about the dogging thing Collymore got caught at, theres some nice quiet carparks over the tops we giving it a go when the pub shuts?" to which his 5 mates all agreed they fancied a quick shag before they went home, so is that fiction?
Yes I did bother to read the Byrne report which was only a small part of a much larger look into crime, disorder and other matters affecting the countryside which is why it got the funding, to imply it was the number one concern for them over the use of car parks for sex etc is utter nonsense. I wonder if you ever heard the radio 4 farming today program which one Sunday morning devoted a good slice of its air time to dogging. They interviewed the Author (Sensationalist twit) Park wardens, the Police and bless her cotton socks UKR. the author was preaching about prostitutes, under age girls being forced to be sex slaves and every thing else he could think of does that sound like your normal dogging site? To the Park Wardens it was nearly a joke apart from having to shift used condoms etc (doggers plz take note) and the Police apart from the usual comments about personal safety saw no real problems or to put it bluntly NO CAUSE FOR CONCERN.
I agree with the latter parts of your comments, sometimes we only put on a show and if they don't apreaciate that then they ain't got any chance if maybe next time or later we are playing.
My point is to blame the doggers guide or someone who foolisly posts details of a meet is way off line, it like Stan is only a part of a bigger problem caused by people who were never affected by our activities before the publicity but now are and the thrill seeking self centered morons who jumped on the band waggon.
Addio's and happy hunting
Clint
Got very interested in this thread about the doggers guide and would like to add a thought or two. The first thing is the guide, it's older than the bible and some of the sites must have been invented in the bar of the Phoenix club. I'm sorry but cannot agree that Stan the Man was not to blame for the increase in problems around dogging sites, we certainly noticed an increase in the number of undesirables/shady types that started to turn up after all the National press coverage. The other effect of this was the increase of local councillers who suddenly discovered they actually had car parks they never heard of before in their patch 
