Blimey!
So now I am a bread expert!
Funnily enough I have had problems with my wholemeal rolls slumping on the second raise! :shock: :shock:
The bread will collapse for a number of reasons. First of all it could be the gluten - make sure your flour is OK - try a different bag of flour. We buy ours from a Mill at for a 32KG sack and have never had a problem with it.
Secondly - too much liquid will cause the dough to collapse as it starts to bake. The reason may be that your flour has got damp and has therefore already absorbed water. Try to reduce your water by 10% and see if that solves it. An early sign of too much water is big air bubbles in your bread where the gluten strands break and cannot hold the air bubbles together.
The yeast could be causing the problem. Is it a fast acting dried yeast - if so are you adding the right amount.
The salt helps the gluten to be stretchy - too little salt and the gluten strands break. Use real salt only - never use course ground salt or a salt substitute like LoSalt.
My recipe I use is:
1 tsp yeast
1 tsp salt
1.5 tbsp milk powder
1 tbsp sugar
450 g flour
290g water
20g butter
If all the above fail - buy a Panasonic Breadmaker!
Fred
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Quote by ManAlive
Also, a little embarrasssed to say it,but best live act I have ever seen is Christy Moore - he was amazing. Played the huge Albert Hall, just him and an acoustic guitar, and it was mesmersing (he was better still at Hammersmith Apollo).
Never be embarrassed about that - I say he is one of the best live musicians ever. He did a 6 part series on Irish telly a couple of years ago and I got all 3 hours of it on video - it is an awesome insight into his music. His book One Voice - my life in song is an amazing read as well. It has the Lyrics to all the songs he has recorded over the years.
I an SOOOOOOOOOO pissed off he has quit touring!
As for me....
3 gigs stand out in my mind....
1) Dire Straits at Woburn - fab gig, been married a week, glorious weather, Wilma with me, took 20 mates with us, all got pissed as parrots and never cost any of us a penny! What a night!
2) Alison Moyet doing her Blues Concert - made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck!
3) ELO at Wembley - spectacular concert!
Fred
Quote by swingingpete
it seems there has been adverts in the national papers bringing lots of new cummers with there own ideas of what the sites is about
What a turnaround for you Pete - fantastic English AND spelling!
Quote by swingingpete
like the day it was advertised in thepaper so i probly fall into same gorup as them
Now I really have my doubts about you! I am now beginning to think you are extracting the urine to a great degree and I for one think Jags has a feeling in her water that is NOT an infection!
You had me fooled for a while - I'll give you that!
Fred
Quote by gmanxxx
We seem to have a serious candidate for agony uncle column in the WI... god this place is full of expert peeps....
Gman
We already have both an agony aunt and an agony uncle - Sappho and Brumlad.
Neither of them have a single qualification in counselling but in Dierdre's eyes that makes them complete experts to advise us all on everything to do with life.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: They have dealt with their first issue in this months WI Newsletter - due out as we speak - and no I am not nagging again Mark - OK I am!
:wink: :wink: Fred
His habit is rooted in depression
STAN may believe that dogging is just a bit of fun — but the sad truth is it’s dangerous and sordid sex with strangers.
It damages lasting relationships and risks sexual health.
Wife Estelle must be devastated about his “addictive†pastime.
It’s hard to understand why a wealthy person like Stan wants to hang around car parks to watch or join others having sex.
The draw lies in its sordidness. But the shame and risk tap into deep-down feelings of guilt and low-self-esteem that make it difficult to enjoy love, commitment and family life.
Since word spread via the internet and mobile phones there are more “doggers†than ever. I now hear from women under pressure from partners to go dogging. None want to.
Like prostitutes, many people who get involved have a history of neglect or abuse.
Like all addictions, Stan’s habit is rooted in depression. It’s time to look at what in his past left him vulnerable to getting his kicks this way — and to rebuild love and trust with Estelle and daughter Mia.
When I first read this I was angry at her words. But rather than shoot from the hip I thought I would do a little research…..
So who is Dierdre Sanders and what qualifies her to speak so authoritatively on this subject. Or is she just another person suffering from False Authority Syndrome?
Well lets look at her own bio:
Deidre Sanders, author, columnist, counsellor, TV presenter and the problem page editor for the Sun newspaper. Deidre is a Patron of Youth Access (National Association of Young People's Counselling and Advisory Centres), the National Association of People Abused in Childhood (NAPAC), a forum member of the Royal Society of Medicine, an honorary council member of the NSPCC, a member of the British Association of Counselling and of the National Commission of Inquiry into the Prevention of Child Abuse and a fellow of the Royal Society of Arts. Before her advice column in The Sun - for which she was nominated for a life-time achievement press award in 2000 - she wrote for The Sunday Times, Woman's Own and Nova magazine. As Editor of the "At Your Service" column for Woman's Own, she was Consumer Journalist of the Year and awarded a Jubilee Medal.
So – Let us look at what qualifies her to give this advice. She is a member of the British Association of Counselling. This is a membership that is open to anyone who is willing to pay the fee – whether they have a qualification of any sort in any subject. I could become a member tomorrow if I so wished to add a title to my name.
All of her other titles do not relate in any way to her having a qualification of any sort in the field of counselling.
She has basically been a reporter for a number of publications over many years.
Then I discovered something about how her advice column for The Sun works:
Deidre's office is in a secret location near Cambridge, above a greetings card shop. In the modern office suite, a team of ten women, including six trained counsellors and a sex therapist, sit sifting through letters…..
The headlines may sometimes be saucy: they are written by the newspaper's sub editors…..
Sally Carlow has been working for Deidre Sanders for 11 years. She, like the other counsellors, takes it in turn to spend one day a week reading the day's letters…….
They treat every letter received in the office as confidential (I was not allowed to look at any of them). Only rarely - for example in child abuse cases - would they break that confidentiality…..
The most likely letters for publication are given to Deidre Sanders. How does she choose from them?
"It's gut instinct - what jumps out for me." Obviously she has to bear in mind the need for balance, so a funny one might go alongside something more serious…….
Sanders does not pretend to be a social worker though. "I'm a problem page editor, not an individual counsellor," she insists. She started out as a journalist on Woman's Own, where she wrote a column on women's rights. But since taking on the job of agony aunt with the Sun she has been on counselling courses run by Relate and has trained in sex therapy…….
So – everything in the client Counsellor relationship is confidential – as it should be…. Nice to see I can buy a book called “Dear Deidre's Casebook: "Sun" Agony Aunt Deidre Sanders Presents 150 Cases from Her Files†at from Amazon then!
So what do we know then….
1) Comments like “Like prostitutes, many people who get involved have a history of neglect or And “it’s dangerous and sordid sex with strangers†have no statistical evidence to back up the sweeping statements
2) It was probably not penned by her in the first place
3) She is not a practising counsellor herself of any description and no evidence can be found of her qualifications in the field
4) ANYONE is allowed to call themselves a counsellor in this country and practice as such without having to take a single course or qualification
5) “She has been on counselling courses run by Relate and has trained in sex therapy†could mean anything and could even relate to 1 day courses
In conclusion I now realise that she does suffer from False Authority Syndrome, hides behind others, uses smoke and mirrors to blow up her own self importance and in the meantime lend weight to something that actually sets out to destroy lives and not help them. Trys to tell us all she is sympathetic and trying to help whilst gloating at the exposure suffered by someone else who happens to earn more than her.
I can only liken her to someone who works for a brutal regime like Saddam Hussain's that goes round telling people it was their own fault they were maimed and murdered in the first place and she has no sympathy with them....
So - Got the facts to back up your arguements then Dierdre? - or was this all smoke and mirrors and you were not here and never said it. Or do you just enjoy trading in other people's misery and just use your false authority to legitimise a sordid act of entrapment?
Fred
Quote by Fun365
So, I do have to object to you branding me as having an extremely low IQ because i read the Sun. I can assure you that my IQ is f**k**g huge.
As in all things Paul, we all make generalisations at times. I did as well.
Even you have the intelligence to know that Will was not aimimg it personally at you - neither was I.
:wink: :wink: Unless of course you IQ is a three figure one - ! :wink: (That was a joke as well in case you missed it!)
Come on!
Fred
Quote by Alan
It has one good effect the report in the Sun, I have been trying to get the wife go dogging in the same area as Mr Collymore for nearly 12months. She now says that if she knew he might have been up there and with a chance of a shag she would have jumped at the chance ages ago.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: You will not be able to move in that car park tonight..............
Oh dear - that is so funny!
Fred
I am less angry about the article that I am about the complete and utter load of drivel that has dripped out of Dierdrie Saunders!
Can anyone tell me her qualifications in either general counselling or sexual health counselling?
:? :? I would really love to know......
This paper is so full of shite that it must be only its readers that use it to wipe their arse - The rest of us would be likely to get more on us than it wiped off if we used it.
:x :x :x :x :x
The truth of the matter is problably that the two Sun staff were dogging themselves and cheating on their own relationships and chanced upon Stan and thought it was worth a few quid!
Sell their own souls they would! :x :x :x :x
Fred
Can anyone tell me her qualifications in either general counselling or sexual health counselling?
:? :? I would really love to know......This paper is so full of shite that it must be only its readers that use it to wipe their arse - The rest of us would be likely to get more on us than it wiped off if we used it.
:x :x :x :x :x The truth of the matter is problably that the two Sun staff were dogging themselves and cheating on their own relationships and chanced upon Stan and thought it was worth a few quid!
Sell their own souls they would! :x :x :x :x
Fred
Quote by jezzay
OK and this is very serious to me. What if a person spent some of her spare time volunteering, assisting with, let's say special needs children. What would the parents think if they found out her lifestyle? Shocked? Hurt? Does it mean the person would have to give up the lifestyle? (She wouldn't give up the volunteering.)
It is very easy for us all to say that we have a sensitive job that if we were exposed as swingers would lead to a conflict. People from all walks of life swing and some do get exposed when they are found out by local rags and national press alike because none of these people understand a way of life. Whether it be a bit of ridicule at work, a few sniggers in the canteen or a 4 page spread in the local rag it will inevitably lead to harm for some people.
Who would I rather have looking after my kids - someone who is in a loving and stable relationship who is sharing sexual experiences with their partner and others in a safe way for enjoyment or someone who carries on a relationship in secrecy and who has to lie and cheat in order to continue with a deception of their families...... no contest - If a childminder of my children admitted they were a swinger I would not hesitate to leave my children with that person.
However - the press will never see it like that - to them it is an expose and a cheap headline. I said before that there are people we swing with who I trust implicitly because of their integrity. If I were to ever be exposed for my lifestyle it will inevitably harm both me and my family and therefore I would be devastated for that reason and that reason only.
As to the choices you have - only you can make them at the time. However I doubt in the long run that it is so important an issue to people that one would be hounded out of town. I would at least like to have the chance to explain to people what the lifestyle means to me.
The rest of them can go f**k themselves coz I won't be!
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: Fred
Its simple really...
If my Father found out he would be cool but embarrassed and not want to talk about it. 8)
My brother would not believe me - I am older and cannot be cool!
My sister would go so wappy her voice would only be heard by dogs!
:lol:
If my mother found out I would inherit early! :rotflmao: :rotflmao: but only after she had told everyone with a very long dying breath!
We have told one couple who were "normal" friends and since then Lady Penelope has taken up swinging so we are not telling anyone else just in case they like the ones we like and nick 'em!
However if someone I knew came up to me and said "You're Fred Flintstone" I would say "Yes, what is your ad number and how long have you been swinging?"
I am not embarrassed about it - I choose not to share it with people that might not have an open mind to the lifestyle. For example, how many people would understand that you trust people you swing with to look after your children? We have a three couples that we have swung with who are friends and we all trust one another with our childsren!
Try explaining that to your mother without her reaching for the phone and calling Social Services!
Fred
If my Father found out he would be cool but embarrassed and not want to talk about it. 8)
My brother would not believe me - I am older and cannot be cool!
My sister would go so wappy her voice would only be heard by dogs!
:lol: If my mother found out I would inherit early!
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: but only after she had told everyone with a very long dying breath!We have told one couple who were "normal" friends and since then Lady Penelope has taken up swinging so we are not telling anyone else just in case they like the ones we like and nick 'em!
However if someone I knew came up to me and said "You're Fred Flintstone" I would say "Yes, what is your ad number and how long have you been swinging?"
I am not embarrassed about it - I choose not to share it with people that might not have an open mind to the lifestyle. For example, how many people would understand that you trust people you swing with to look after your children? We have a three couples that we have swung with who are friends and we all trust one another with our childsren!
Try explaining that to your mother without her reaching for the phone and calling Social Services!
Fred
Quote by Jags
Fred - didn't you show me your entire video collection????? x xx x
Shhhhhhhh - I have a very large dirty video collection.......
Every episode of Time Team ever broadcast up to the end of Series 9 plus the specials........ 104 programmes!
Don't get much dirtier than that!If my mum is on here using a nickname I don't know then she will now know who Fred Flintstone is!
:roll: :roll:Hi Mum!
:wave: :wave: Oh god - the thought of it! :doh:
Fred
I have deleted a number of mesages from this thread for a specific reason. I want the people who have given up to post here either good or bad moments so that anyone who wishes to help with moral support can post a PM to them. I am frightened of the thread just becoming 10 pages long and wondering off away from what it is meant to be - serious support for those who need our help.
Now, if you think it should just be a free running thread then please let me know in a PM - I am just frightened that those who need to see how others who have given up are getting on will have to wade through pages of well wishes etc.
I also thought that by PM'ing those people we would be able to be far more open and personal in the things we say to encourage them. I have related a very personal experience to some people that I could not say in public on the forum but it may help them.
If I am wrong please let me know and I will leave the thread to free run!
Fred
Now, if you think it should just be a free running thread then please let me know in a PM - I am just frightened that those who need to see how others who have given up are getting on will have to wade through pages of well wishes etc.
I also thought that by PM'ing those people we would be able to be far more open and personal in the things we say to encourage them. I have related a very personal experience to some people that I could not say in public on the forum but it may help them.
If I am wrong please let me know and I will leave the thread to free run!
Fred
Because we are having fun ourselves! :wink: 
ops: :wink:
Sorry guys - I did check with Sarge and he said I can have a weekend pass! 8) 8)
Don't forget to keep an eye on the smokers thread you lot and support them if they need it with lots of helpful PM's - I know BlueEyes is on her second day - and despite smoking only 3 fags a day before, she reckons she has saved £30 already and therefore was going to treat herself to a new outfit today! Complement her when she shows and my money is on the fact she will have had her hair done as well! - Guys, complement her on it BEFORE you send her for a beer otherwise she will sulk all weekend!
Have fun - I know we will be! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
Fred
:wink: ops: :wink: Sorry guys - I did check with Sarge and he said I can have a weekend pass! 8) 8)
Don't forget to keep an eye on the smokers thread you lot and support them if they need it with lots of helpful PM's - I know BlueEyes is on her second day - and despite smoking only 3 fags a day before, she reckons she has saved £30 already and therefore was going to treat herself to a new outfit today! Complement her when she shows and my money is on the fact she will have had her hair done as well! - Guys, complement her on it BEFORE you send her for a beer otherwise she will sulk all weekend!
Have fun - I know we will be! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
Fred
OMG!
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
You guys crack me up!
I wish I could get back in touch with those people you forwarded the email to me from - they don't seem to want to talk to me - what did you say to them?
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
You should be rewarded for this!
Fred
XXX
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: You guys crack me up!
I wish I could get back in touch with those people you forwarded the email to me from - they don't seem to want to talk to me - what did you say to them?
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
You should be rewarded for this!
Fred
XXX
Quote by Gaz_72
I've spent all morning reporting adverts that blokes have posted in the "Women seeking..." groups. Do they do it on purpose or are they just illiterate?
1) I think a coach party of idiots may well have stopped off sometime yesterday - wish the driver had stopped we could have pushed a few on the bus to take with him.
2) They will all tell you that none of them are illiterate - their mum and dad was married!
:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
Jaine,
You should have seen one of the responses we got to our web page about a month after we joined - It was so abusive it really upset Wilma.
I contacted Mark and he immediately deleted the ad and banned the idiot concerned.
We know that it was just an idiot but it still does not stop it smarting for just a few minutes!
Let us know who it is and we will get rid straight away!
Hang in there - there is always one!
Fred
XXX
You should have seen one of the responses we got to our web page about a month after we joined - It was so abusive it really upset Wilma.
I contacted Mark and he immediately deleted the ad and banned the idiot concerned.
We know that it was just an idiot but it still does not stop it smarting for just a few minutes!
Let us know who it is and we will get rid straight away!
Hang in there - there is always one!
Fred
XXX
Blimey! :shock:
Pop out to sort business out for the chat room for a few hours and she goes to pieces!
Hang in their kiddo!
Anyone would think you had just given up smoking.... :roll:
Just remember the old adage - "A leopard never changes its spots"
I will not gloat! However I will say - don't spoil a good day! - today of all days!
:therethere: :therethere: :therethere: :therethere: :therethere: :therethere:
Someone take that bottle out of her hand please! She is starting to look menacing!
assionkiss: :passionkiss: :passionkiss: :passionkiss:
Turn the PC off and try to have a good day tomorrow.
Fred
XXXXXXX
Pop out to sort business out for the chat room for a few hours and she goes to pieces!
Hang in their kiddo!
Anyone would think you had just given up smoking....
:roll: Just remember the old adage - "A leopard never changes its spots"
I will not gloat! However I will say - don't spoil a good day! - today of all days!
:therethere: :therethere: :therethere: :therethere: :therethere: :therethere:
Someone take that bottle out of her hand please! She is starting to look menacing!
assionkiss: :passionkiss: :passionkiss: :passionkiss: Turn the PC off and try to have a good day tomorrow.
Fred
XXXXXXX
Quote by Jags
So many messages, such a lot of snogs, the odd hippo (WTF),
Oh come on Jags - keep up - Hippo birdie two ewes!
:lol: Quote by Jags
Fred, you'll need to take your hat off this time, just to make it special!!!! :lol:
You mean it's not special already?
No pleasing some people is there! :shock:
Hi,
A little PM told me that 999 posts were up for me and I had better make the 1000th a good one…. I had not even noticed!
Oh the pressure!
***********************************
However I have decided to dedicate my 1,000th post to all those around me in the Forum who give up smoking whenever that is.
I would like all those who are giving up smoking to post their highs and lows, laughter and tears, fears and ambitions in this thread and to be able to do so safe in the knowledge that we do not sit in judgement of them but in support of them. Even those moments where you have failed and slipped back can be a source of inspiration if people can help pick you up.
"Friends are the angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly."
It would be so easy for this thread to become 10 pages long in messages of support so I would like to ask everyone else to post any messages of support as a PM to the individual concerned.
I have a feeling that 10 PM’s in response to a bad day without the weed will help all of those trying to quit. Any one else trying to quit will see that they are not alone and will take comfort from others who have posted.
As an ex smoker who decided one day about 8 years ago that I was a non-smoker, I do know the highs and lows some of you will have. But I also have a personal motivation in wanting to help each and every one of you to stop because of a near tragic personal experience, which changed my views on life 18 months ago.
I do wish you all luck and I want you to know that there is a virtual community here all stood round willing you to succeed and willing to help you in any way it can to beat the problem. It would be easy to quote statistics and all the rest to help to motivate you – but you are all intelligent people who know every negative and positive there is to do with smoking – you just have an addiction and you need help to beat it.
We are all here to help you –just ask.
"No love, no friendship can cross the path of our destiny without leaving some kind of mark on it forever."
Good luck.
Fred
A little PM told me that 999 posts were up for me and I had better make the 1000th a good one…. I had not even noticed!
Oh the pressure!
***********************************
However I have decided to dedicate my 1,000th post to all those around me in the Forum who give up smoking whenever that is.
I would like all those who are giving up smoking to post their highs and lows, laughter and tears, fears and ambitions in this thread and to be able to do so safe in the knowledge that we do not sit in judgement of them but in support of them. Even those moments where you have failed and slipped back can be a source of inspiration if people can help pick you up.
"Friends are the angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly."
It would be so easy for this thread to become 10 pages long in messages of support so I would like to ask everyone else to post any messages of support as a PM to the individual concerned.
I have a feeling that 10 PM’s in response to a bad day without the weed will help all of those trying to quit. Any one else trying to quit will see that they are not alone and will take comfort from others who have posted.
As an ex smoker who decided one day about 8 years ago that I was a non-smoker, I do know the highs and lows some of you will have. But I also have a personal motivation in wanting to help each and every one of you to stop because of a near tragic personal experience, which changed my views on life 18 months ago.
I do wish you all luck and I want you to know that there is a virtual community here all stood round willing you to succeed and willing to help you in any way it can to beat the problem. It would be easy to quote statistics and all the rest to help to motivate you – but you are all intelligent people who know every negative and positive there is to do with smoking – you just have an addiction and you need help to beat it.
We are all here to help you –just ask.
"No love, no friendship can cross the path of our destiny without leaving some kind of mark on it forever."
Good luck.
Fred
