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17 May 2007

Absolutely fookin sick!
That boils my piss and bakes my shit things like this, how can a grandfather do that to his granddaughter the sick bastard. I hope he gets kicked to shit in jail the mad

mad

On a side note, i was thinking exactly the same as Marya when i read those 2 little snippets....nothing like a good old sweeping generalisation of us swingers is there?
We're all sick fookers who go around abusing kids, shagging anything that moves as long as it has a pulse and chucking our car keys in big pots while planting weird fookin grass in our gardens!
It's so easy to criticise the things you dont understand.... rolleyes

rolleyes

16 May 2007

Quote by neilinleeds
just how many hoops do you want them to jump through FGS, before you will allow them the possibility of the kind of family life you take for granted?
neil x x x ;)

Just the one hoop would suffice for me....pretty obvious which hoop that is isnt it?
and it's oh so easy to trot out a line like that when you've never been there. ((( apologies if that's an assumption? you haven't though, have you? )))

No its not easy, but in my very humble opinion its the least that should be expected of them before having this treatment!
If they cant get off it for the sake of their kids, even whilst said kids are being affected by it in the mothers womb, then whats to say they'll ever get off it? Or whats to say they wont go back on the smack?
I really do see what you're getting at Neil, but is it really too much to ask for a couple to be clean before getting this chance? Maybe the NHS could have used it as an incentive to get clean?
I just think they've handled this all wrong sad

sad

16 May 2007

Quote by neilinleeds
just how many hoops do you want them to jump through FGS, before you will allow them the possibility of the kind of family life you take for granted?
neil x x x ;)

Just the one hoop would suffice for me....pretty obvious which hoop that is isnt it?

16 May 2007

Quote by northwest-cpl
or possibly the professionals had facts and knowledge at their disposal that we don't have.

Facts or no facts, the simple fact of the matter is that it is absolutely bloody ridiculous to give IVF treatment to methadone addicts / heroin addicts.
Someone earlier said that maybe the PCT had seen enough to suggest that this couple had their habits managed and that their lives were getting back on track. Utter garbage IMHO. Their lives wont be back on track until they are clean....and they should no way have been given IVF until this time too.
I cant believe how anybody can agree to this couple recieveing this treatment, it really beggars belief! :shock:

16 May 2007

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15 May 2007

Quote by saucy1
hi sorry we missed this 1 but could you put us on the reserve list plzzzzzzzzzz many thanks

Can add you to the guestlist if you want? lol

lol

15 May 2007

Quote by Mr-Powers
They had triplets,unfortunately one died....but even bringing up twins is hard work for a couple!

Exactly....and as Missy says, what are they gonna do when the babies decide they dont want to sleep during the night, or dont want to feed properly, or just decide today is the day that they're gonna wind mam & dad up?
It doesnt take a genius to work it out really does it?

15 May 2007

Quote by neilinleeds
Doctors have apparently said the babies arent addicted, yet they both "shake & twitch" in their sleep which is apparently a "common sleeping disorder"
What a crock of shit, sorry, but this disgusts me

i'd be inclined to think the doctors and nurses and social workers dealing with this are knowledgeable? they wouldn't be doctors and nurses and social workers very long if they weren't? ;)
Well yes, i see your point.....that said, these doctors and nurses etc are hardly going to come out and say "well, yes, we paid for a couple of meth addicts to have IVF treatment and yes, the babies are born and going through cold turkey right now" are they?
Come on Neil, think about it fella!
They're going to pin the blame on these poor babies "shaking & twitching" on anything they can to take the heat off themselves.
Afterall, who is going to prove them wrong, the babies cant speak up for themselves can they?

14 May 2007

Well said!

13 May 2007

Quote by cosh22
hi mr cpl
its i again please could you put me down on the list please?
thankyou
cosh

nowt to do with me this one fella....its mr north you need to be asking lol

lol

12 May 2007

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11 May 2007

Quote by PoloLady
Just to throw another point into the needle pile…
There have been plenty of cases of natural, unassisted mothers (who are meth addicts) being sent to jail for allowing/giving/drugging up their babies with meths – in one of the most recent cases the mother killed her toddler with an overdose of meths (though it was shown at the inquest there were traces of heroin in the child’s hair growth and other signs that this had not been a one-off ).
In all of these cases (where the child/baby did not die as a result of being exposed to meths) the parent was jailed and children taken into care. Judges expressed their sheer horror at innocent children being exposed to the effects of methadone by the very person/people that should have been holding the care of the child as their highest priority.
So is it any wonder really that it does not sit well with some people that a children should be born, with the full aid, blessing, support of the authorities with the green stuff already in their tiny fragile bodies?

Amen

11 May 2007

I havent personally attacked anyone dunno

dunno

As far as i'm concerned its a debate, albeit fairly heated, as you would expect on an issue such as this.

11 May 2007

Quote by Serendipity
The assumption you offered is that the people on methadone are neither hardworking nor middle class - isn't it possible that they are both?

No, because it mentions in said article that they are both on benefits with no job prospects. He is claiming disability because he was attacked with a hatchet.
You may think my views are narrow minded, i'm not really bothered, but i think its plain to see where a baby/babies would be better born into...

11 May 2007

Quote by fem_4_taboo
have we suddenly started to believe that what the papers say is true?
i say this as even local non sensational papers get "facts" wrong.

Have you read the article? If not you really should. We all know that certain tabloids spout off all sorts of crap to sell copies, but this article is full to the brim of quotes from the parents themselves....speaking candidly about their drug abuse so i'm very inclined to believe this article very much

Quote by fem_4_taboo
should we forbid anyone who has any habit or activity we consider as wrong not to recieve certain things?

Not at all, but surely we should be drawing a line where drug abuse is concerned? confused

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To put it another way, lets just say you had a 1 month old pair of twins....would you let this couple babysit for you, or any couple for that matter, that had a history of, and was still using drugs?

11 May 2007

Quote by Serendipity
I really don't think that being hard working, respectable and middle class :shock: means you are a more worthy candidate than a couple where one partner doesn't work, is seen as less respectable or working class! I'm quite certain some people would say swingers are less than respectable - do you think that would be a fair reason to deny someone IVF?

I think you've taken my point slightly out of context, i was comparing my hard working, middle class friends to the couple in the article and how the NHS or whoever deem a couple on methadone with a history of drug abuse spanning more than a decade, to be more worthy of a shot at parenthood courtesy of the NHS than my friends were.
Nothing to do with 1 partner working and the other not

11 May 2007

Quote by hisandhers
1) I nor you here know the facts only what you have read.

Well the paper itself has quoted the mum, doctors & professors so i dare say the papers article is fairly accurate otherwise they're leaving themselves wide open for a lawsuit

Quote by hisandhers
2) I don't know about methadone & the side effects it may cause- do you? If not again should we be making judgements

Methadone is a heroin substitute, what more do you need to know? Its not your everyday aspirin or ibuprofen tablet. It is a drug given to heroin addicts to help them feel "normal". Is it morally correct to assist people that need to take drugs to feel normal to concieve children?

Quote by hisandhers
3) Side effects can affect people in different ways, so we can't really say how much these babies have been affected.

I'm sorry, but that is a ridiculous comment! Do you have kids? Would you like them to take methadone? Nobody in this world should ever have to take 'recreational' drugs, a lot do by choice, and the operative word there being choice. These poor babies had no choice but to be born into this world suffering the effects of methadone and even the basest of idiots cannot deny that fact. Not the sort of environment you'd want to bring kids into is it?

Quote by hisandhers
If they are addicted to the methadone can the babies, like others come off it slowly :dunno:

The babies wont have a choice as they're hardly going to give babies a prescription of methadone are they? At least i hope they dont.
The babies will have to do it the hard way (cold turkey) and the parents should do the same.

Quote by hisandhers
can methadone do permanent damage to these babies :dunno:

Its certainly not going to help them...

Quote by hisandhers
Was the NHS aware of the parents addition :dunno:

Yes - very aware of the parents previous drug abuse, read the article as it explains it all in there.
Some quotes from the article
Nicola started taking heroin and drinking heavily when she was 15. Shane became addicted to heroin at the age of 10 while in a care home.
The couple - who have been on methadone for five years - vowed to leave their drug lifestyle behind.
5 years? On methadone for 5 years and they've been given fertility treatment?
Isn't 5 years a bit of a long time to try to kick a habit?
Shane added: "We had been trying to keep it quiet that we are still on methadone because people would maybe judge her.
"I am still on 65mg and she is on about 60mg, which is the equivalent of £50 each.
"Nicola has managed to stay about the same and I have got down from 90mg but we are trying to get off it for the sake of the babies.
Jesus christ!!!!!!! Damn right i'll judge her, she could've made an effort as soon as she found out she was pregnant, if not before, to get off methadone. If she cant do it while the babies were inside her getting high on it themselves why the hell would she do it once she's given birth and it wont affect them medically?
This whole issue makes me fookin sick it really does!

11 May 2007

Found a news report on it
Doctors have apparently said the babies arent addicted, yet they both "shake & twitch" in their sleep which is apparently a "common sleeping disorder"
What a crock of shit, sorry, but this disgusts me mad

mad

A close friend of mine was refused fertility treatment for years, she was hard working, her husband was hard working, both respectable, none drug taking, middle class citizens yet the NHS decided they werent worthy enough.....yet the NHS decides a couple of (ex)smackheads are worthy parents instead?
How does that work then?

11 May 2007

Quote by helnheaven
Mrcoupleseekfun
IMO its the Primary Care Trust who should be taken to task on this one

I agree, i said as much in my original post that somebody at their local trust should really have thought this through a little better.

11 May 2007

Quote by splendid_
Like your original post you are basing your judgement of me and my values on little or no information.
You don't know me. You don't know them. You (or anyone else) have no right to judge anyone.
splendid

You're not going to answer the question then?

11 May 2007

So you agree thats its right to become or try to become pregnant, knowing full well that your baby is going to be born addicted to methadone?
Nice values you have there....

11 May 2007

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11 May 2007

Just heard on the news about 2 former heroin addicts that were still on a program of methadone being given fertility treatment by their local NHS.
They had triplets but one of them sadly died, however, the other 2 newborns are now going cold turkey as they are addicted to methadone!!!
wtf is going on in this world???
You would've thought that somebody in their local NHS trust with even the tiniest ounce of common sense would tell said couple that they couldnt have fertility treatment until they were clean.....or is that just me thinking too sensibly?
This country is well & truly fooked up sad

sad

9 May 2007

Quote by Liaisons
Jeni, unfortuantly you just don't get it do you? On that forum you plucked out of cyberspace the posters were expressing a whole spectrum of views, i.e. not "single-visioned".
But you have deemed them "single-visioned", therefore it is you who is "single-visioned", not they.

I think you're digging a little too deep into what Jeni is trying to say....
I'm with Jeni on this one as a whole, i organised a munch last weekend and the guy who sorted the room for me was a lad who works for me.
On the saturday afternoon i pulled him to one side and explained who we were so to speak, and his reply was "for gods sake, does this mean there's gonna be a pile of car keys in the middle of the dancefloor at 11pm then?" and he was deadly serious.
There is a real social stigma surrounding us swingers, we're seen as a bunch of middle aged pervs that run round and fuck anything in site when that is totally the opposite.....the only way anyone will ever understand us is to become one of us!

7 May 2007

Quote by Xcrazychickx
lol kidda....are ya gonna ask first :P

Yer.......there's something i need to speak to you about lol

lol

6 May 2007

Unfortunately, and for various reasons that i wont bore you with, i'm going to have to cancel the munch.
Due to my new job i'm not going to have the time to attend the munch, let alone organise it.
Apologies to those that have made plans for it already but there's nothing i can do about it.
If anyone else wants to organise it themselves, the room is still booked and i can give you the details of DJ's and caterers etc
Again, my apologies....just glad its happened now and not in the middle of december!!

6 May 2007

Glad you enjoyed it.....i hope everyone enjoyed it as much as me and the missus did biggrin

biggrin

Raised £250 for charidee too so cant be bad.....
Well done Northy for the efforts in the whip round etc, you did excellent fella!!

5 May 2007

ermmmm
obviously it would be good if nobody took a camera or camera phone but that isnt gonna happen is it?
i'll be asking everyone when they come in not to take any photos though.

4 May 2007

Quote by funman
lets create our own chat in here dont be shy

Not being funny.....but whats the point when there's a perfectly good chatroom that we all use? lol

lol

4 May 2007

lol

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