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Quote by starlightcouple
I know what Star is saying though, it definitely feels like today's children have a much lower set of morals than they did when I was younger, there feels to be less respect from children for elders. Also parents talking to their children in a manner mine would not have dreamed of.
Whether this is real or perceived I don't know, I can remember my grandmother saying a similar thing

no blue dont dare even suggest that.
this is the most amazing site i am currently on for peeple who walk around with blindfolds on. it amazes me also that some fail to see what others find so obvius and when some peeple are confronted with facts they start the dummy throwing routine.
the logical peeple amongst us know the truth. still i am sure back in the 50's or 60's that younsters were being shot dead by other youngsters with great regularity.
this is only from 2008 fgs and still some peeple refuse to take the blindfold off and confront the truth.

still these are probably the fault of those nasty police men as well. loon
Facts are facts, no matter what you beleive. No one is denying the truth about the present state of society. i think we need to put some rationale into others blinkered extreme views.
I would like to add, it will more than likely get worse still, as more people are forced in to poverty.
What would be interesting is to consider how this should be resolved, other than "beating the crap out of them" that is not disciplinging a child, that is GBH. Monkey see, monkey do!
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Onthebeach_1
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Quote by Bluefish2009
My mothers cousin was mugged in 1951 by a shifty looking bloke in a black fedora and spats using a webley service revolver.
My mother was jumped on in the blackout by a fella in a wig with a glass eye.
My father used to keep a selection of sharpened coins in his pockets at the weekend to defend himself from street fights.

Why did the wig require this glass eye??? lol
Hahaha! now that has brightened my day!
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Onthebeach_1
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Quote by starlightcouple
the sad fact is that with peeples attitudes cleerly shown on here towards the police, is it any wonder we are even talking about this.
the mugging of this poor old lady demonstrates yet again how low this society of ours has shrunk in terms of morality's and boundaries of right and wrong. if any person here can show me a crime anything like what happened to this old lady from thirty years ago or longer i would like to see it.
i beleeve that it would never have happened at that time or before as the police would have had the powers to find them and give these thugs a pasting and then the courts would have thrown them in jail for a long period of time, unlike the soft rubbish sentenances that the judges and ken I am a wally clarke now insist on.
peeples soft attitudes over the years have led us into a society of low lifes and peeple who are not scared of anything let alone the police. i say let the police do there job properly and give peeple like this and many others a good hiding in the back of there vans. yes a few inocents may get caught up in it but it may be worth that for some to say that at leest some guilty peeple got what they deserve and justice of sorts was done. unlike almost every low life doing the most horrid of crimes getting away with it, or some soft time in jail of which is no punishment.
society in the young is sick on so many levels and we have peeple in the age group on this web site to thank for most of that.

i think it is very relevent that we talk about these issues and attitudes about society and the police. the mugging and death of the pensioner is a disgusting crime. howevr to say crimes of this nature never happened previously is i think wrong. if i had time to trawl through the Old bailey records, i am sure i could find equally disgusting crimes against people. i do agree that sentences handed down now may be more lenient, however i could not confirm that.
i am afraid the "attitudes clearly shown on here" are exactly for the reason you advocate,
" i say let the police do there job properly and give peeple like this and many others a good hiding in the back of there vans. yes a few inocents may get caught up in it but it may be worth that for some to say that at leest some guilty peeple got what they deserve and justice of sorts was done" i am sure that this still happens anyway and is that their proper job, to beat up people in the back of a van?
i would never dispute that there are some "sick" young people in society, and i am sure we could all find a thousand reasons for why they are like they are. i have my own views which are not for this forum, however i do not fully understand your last comment?
"society in the young is sick on so many levels and we have peeple in the age group on this web site to thank for most of that"
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Onthebeach_1
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Quote by GnV
They should be allowed to beat the living crap out of them so they won't do it again.
Just like those two bits of low-life who caused the death of that poor unfortunate 79 year old pensioner holding on to her handbag containing her dead husbands ashes (and a significant sum in cash allegedly). They should be publicly castrated.
Truth is, they will probably get off scot free with a warning not to do it in front of the CCTV next time.

i too am sickened by the mugging and death of the pensioner, but your comment;
"They should be allowed to beat the living crap out of them so they won't do it again" are you advocating that the police should do this to any drunken person that remonstrates with them?
Or gangs of vigilantes going around "beating the crap" out of any drunken person that may be mouthing off!
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Onthebeach_1
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Quote by Max777
The point I'm making is why should anyone have to put up with threatening behaviour and verbal abuse, whether a member of the police, other public services or just an ordinary member of the public? You obviously regard those offences as minor offences. If the perpetrators are allowed to get away with this behaviour is there not a risk that they may take it to the next level? How many public servants are assaulted every year?
As for the police having attitude, obviously from your experiences, so do many other members of society. Would you like to police city centres on a Friday and Saturday night? I'm damn sure I wouldn't.
As for encountering the law, apart from a speeding offence 20 odd years ago, I have not had any adverse encounter of the law and I'm sure there are many others on this site in a similar position.

Nobody, public sector or not should have to put up with that behaviour. And yes if i felt there was a real threat, i would report it to the only to record the incident. And yes many public servents are assualted every year,unfortunately it does not happen when there are police present. I honestly believe that some town centres would be better served by not having such a strong police presence. Lets be honest, town centres have always had "punch ups" and knives used. but when a drunken girl gets throwen to the ground and sprayed and cuffed is that proportionate. true incident! How would you react if that was a daughter, girlfriend?
Fortunetly, like you, my misdemnours of my youth are way behind me, however they would still show up on a full CRB spent or not! Don't get me wrong i am a very law abiding citizen with a "responsible" job, however i do think respect is a two way thing.
Was the example you cite an everyday occurrence? I suspect not but I believe that a lot more drunken men and women would get thrown to the ground if the police presence wasn't there. What is the cost to the taxpayer of policing city centres at weekends? I suspect it's substantial.
As to your comment re respect being a two way thing.....that is exactly MY point.
i would suggest that the cost in policing town centres is very high! Especially when they are shipped in. The point i was trying to get across is that quite often the police response is disproportionate to the problem, and that it is precisely this behaviour and attitude that alienates young and some old people. As for the "regular occurence" i cannot say, it was merely an example, the girl was only remonstrating about the way that her partner had been treated, no one is saying they were angels! Where is the respect from the police to deal with the situation in a reasonable way. Easy, spray 'em, knock 'em over, sorted! that is not policing.
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Onthebeach_1
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Quote by Max777
The point I'm making is why should anyone have to put up with threatening behaviour and verbal abuse, whether a member of the police, other public services or just an ordinary member of the public? You obviously regard those offences as minor offences. If the perpetrators are allowed to get away with this behaviour is there not a risk that they may take it to the next level? How many public servants are assaulted every year?
As for the police having attitude, obviously from your experiences, so do many other members of society. Would you like to police city centres on a Friday and Saturday night? I'm damn sure I wouldn't.
As for encountering the law, apart from a speeding offence 20 odd years ago, I have not had any adverse encounter of the law and I'm sure there are many others on this site in a similar position.

Nobody, public sector or not should have to put up with that behaviour. And yes if i felt there was a real threat, i would report it to the only to record the incident. And yes many public servents are assualted every year,unfortunately it does not happen when there are police present. I honestly believe that some town centres would be better served by not having such a strong police presence. Lets be honest, town centres have always had "punch ups" and knives used. but when a drunken girl gets throwen to the ground and sprayed and cuffed is that proportionate. true incident! How would you react if that was a daughter, girlfriend?
Fortunetly, like you, my misdemnours of my youth are way behind me, however they would still show up on a full CRB spent or not! Don't get me wrong i am a very law abiding citizen with a "responsible" job, however i do think respect is a two way thing.
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Quote by Max777

Met Police chief: officers will still arrest swearing suspects despite court ruling. Diddums! What a waste of taxpayers money!
From my limited experience, and that of young people i know, very often police officers will tell them to Fuck Off! There is no redress against the police or they arrest you on some spurious piece of legislation originally intended for a diffferent purpose.
I think when the british police force can earn the respect of the public, hopefully things may change. As it is they all walk around like a dog with two cocks, in the mistaken belief that they are some elite para military group. More than happy to pepper spray young men, when a more measured response would be more appropriate. As in the case of the above, what did this person do, if he had commited a real crime he would have been charged with that!
Many a time in my employment i have had threats made against me, been verbally abused, i have to grin and bear it!

Do you have to grin and bear it? Shouldn't it be stopped? Why should anyone have to put up with threats and verbal abuse? Presumably, if those threats were actually carried out, you would call on the police to do something about it. Would you still regard them then as walking around like a dog with two dicks?
i fully accept your comments, and unfortunately thats what you get in the public sector, trying to help people. And yes i am sure i would call upon the police if needed for what ever reason. it does not make me change my views, based on what i have seen. it apears to me that they are quite often happy to take the easy option when it comes to arrests or whatever. There seems to be a heavy handed approach in general, what does that do but antagonise. As per lizaleanrob said, we will never go back to the bobby on the beat, and the world is a different place. However they seem to forget they are public servants. I beleive they now have "attitude" thuggish behaviour is not part of the training.
In my home town on a Saturday night it gets flooded with police officers from out of town,who cannot wait for the slightest disagreement in the street to happen, to pile is a sport for them. it makes a good night.
I am sure some parts of the country do have real problems, but what is the point of arresting young people for fairly minor incidents. even a caution shows on a CRB check. A great way to alienate the young and scupper thier prospects of employment. Who on this site could say they have not encountered the law in some way, and maybe still do. i know when i was younger i did.
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Mr Cassius Harvey appealed against his conviction at the High Court after he was fined £50 for the offence in March last year.
Experts last night estimated that the challenge would have cost taxpayers around £30,000 in legal aid
So instead of costing him £50, it cost us £30, !
Met Police chief: officers will still arrest swearing suspects despite court ruling. Diddums! What a waste of taxpayers money!
From my limited experience, and that of young people i know, very often police officers will tell them to Fuck Off! There is no redress against the police or they arrest you on some spurious piece of legislation originally intended for a diffferent purpose.
I think when the british police force can earn the respect of the public, hopefully things may change. As it is they all walk around like a dog with two cocks, in the mistaken belief that they are some elite para military group. More than happy to pepper spray young men, when a more measured response would be more appropriate. As in the case of the above, what did this person do, if he had commited a real crime he would have been charged with that!
Many a time in my employment i have had threats made against me, been verbally abused, i have to grin and bear it!
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Also having met several couples for MMF its surprising how many women refuse to do FFM because they don't want their partners to touch another woman, even though they are only too happy to meet other men themselves. In fact it seems to be quite a common thing.
Re the above; In a FFM situation, would the partner (assuming it is the partner) of the male prefer a younger female or someone nearer their own age?
Surprising what one vote can do!
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Onthebeach_1
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Quote by Bluefish2009
I would suggest that the Royal wedding will bring the country money rather than cost it any

Wouldn't it have brought the country more money on a Saturday when there wouldn't have been a fraction of the lost production of giving everyone a day off on a Friday?
Surely having the whole country idle for a day must have cost more than the £500 million that the strike is "going" to cost but the government didn't seem too bothered then. I wonder why that might be.
Quote by CBI Report
The CBI, the business lobby group, has previously calculated that each bank holiday costs the British economy £6 billion in lost productivity, though many experts hope that in the case of the Royal Wedding, £1 billion of that will be clawed back in extra tourist revenues and sales of memorabilia.

Taken from here
Most weddings blow a hole in the happy couple's finances, but the royal extravaganza is predicted to have delivered a much needed boost to the UK's beleaguered economy.
The tourist authority VisitBritain predicts the wedding, a worldwide TV event, will trigger a tourism boom that will last several years, eventually pulling in an extra 4m visitors and some £2bn for the country's coffers.
In the short term, the accountancy firm PwC estimates the influx of wedding watchers delivered a £107m boost to London, as hotels, West End shops and restaurants picked up extra trade.
The British Retail Consortium forecast that shops and pubs will benefit by nearly £500m. With 5,500 street parties in full swing the biggest beneficiaries were the supermarkets, as people piled their tables with patriotic nosh such as sausage rolls, Coronation chicken and Victoria sponge. Sales of Wills and Kate merchandise, which ranged from mugs and tea towels to union flag contact lenses, were put at £26m.

How much will the strike bring to the country?
it is estimated the govt will save 2-300 million in salaries and i assume overheads next wednesday which
Being self employed running my own business, bank holidays are just another working day for me
it is estimated the govt will save 2-300 million in salaries and i assume overheads next wednesday which this is not included in their scaremongering tactics, it is strange that the deal that was offered only came about once the results of the union ballots started coming in.
i do think people need to realise that this is just part of another element of the erosion of not only public but private pensions.


What worries me is that we already see the division between the private and public sector employees being created by the present govt policies within the country.
i personally feel I have to stand up for what i feel is right, the only way to do that is by withdraing my labour, its all i have. There is too much apathy in this country, we are too accepting of what our masters do. As a self employed person, of which i was once, if you were working for a client and you felt you were not going to be paid, what would you do?
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Onthebeach_1
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Quote by Jewlnmart
Phew! That's a relief, no more Rinderpest!

i can sleep easy tonight!!
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Quote by Max777
Dress it up this way, its a result thats legal and you can take strike action with. Thts all that matters.
An interesting thread it bears home a lot of what I said before. People look too much now at what others get that they dont rather than looking at if what they are getting is fair.

Does anyone know what the threshold is where action becomes legal?
I dont think people look, or are bothered that much by what others may get. However, perhaps when those same people are striking over loosing some thing that the onlookers already do without they may feel less inclined to support that action.
I worded my point in several instances rather badly. I dont care what people get that I dont. That said if I see someone or a group of people getting something that I do not and having it unfairly removed then I wouldent go against their action. I dont go as far as saying I will support it as I probably wont actually do anything. In a political instance if I thought that group was particularly hard done by it might effect my voting. Works in reverse too if I see a group getting less than I do having something taken away I would act the same. So Blue I dont support your view of not supporting people cus I didnt have that anyway.
As one is who affected by this, i think it is also worth pointing out that the present govt proposals will also affect private sector pensions. last year the govt effectively reduced existing pensions from RPI to CPI, ok so it may not make seem a lot. However 1/4 % reduction compounded over the life of your retirement is no small is also the basis that they wish to pay benefits in the future. So everyone in reciept of any benefit/s will be affected. In addition a nunber of private companies also follow the Govt lead in respect of wage increases and pensions, so therefore in future these will be based on the the lower CPI. Effectively the proposed strike may actually benefit those in the private sector too. One other thing i would add is that i will lose a days pay when i strike, i am prepared to do so. However, i can guarantee you, my work will not be done by a.n. other and will be waiting for me on my return. It is not like making widgets where production is lost by my absence. No matter how much people argue against the action and unions, one should always remember that most of the "good" working conditions that all employess enjoy are predominately because of unions.
So we in the private sector might also benefit? It's a shame that the public sector workers didn't take action when Gordon Brown ( and his then lacky Ed Balls) decided to implement an annual £5 billion raid on private pension schemes back in 1997, a move which contributed to the closure of many final salary schemes and the complete closure of other pension schemes.
Of course it didn't affect them then but they now expect our support!
As you say the £5 billion may have been a contributory factor, but the Govt was not wholly responsible for collapse of those employers should also bear some responsibilty for under funded schemes and the willingness to close schemes as the law permiited them to do at that time.
It was also GB that put more than £8 billion in to private sector pension schemes, funded by you and i, the taxpayer, i did not complain that my tax was being used to support private sector pensions.
It seems that this strike is now becoming "Tory" govt is being devisive in its use of comparing private to public sector pensions, and it is working, unfortunately.
The strike is not about left and right. I would still strike whatever Govt put forward these proposals.
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Onthebeach_1
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Quote by Funlovers2009

i have commented on this previously, however i would like to make one observation, why do people state "no face pic, no reply" when they do not actually place face pic of themselves? Or do they derive some wierd pleaseure from collecting them?

I would say that this is because some couples and single girls especially get inundated with messages from single guys and couples and there needs to be some attraction there.
If a single guy or a couple sends a message and has no face pics attached to the message or in public on their profile, the recipient would then have to ask for some as they couldn't say that they're interested if they don't know what they look like. Multiply this by the gazillion messages that a single girl may get each day and it takes up a lot of time and effort when she may actually not fancy most of them.
i understand your argument but logically it does not make sense. Why ask for a face pic, to decide whether you you fancy them,when you do not post one, you are therefore assuming that everyone will fancy you/them purely based on what they put on their profile. As you say there has to be some attraction, surely it works both ways? On that basis, i or a couple should send a message and automatically ask for a face pic where none are shown? Surely that will not happen generally.
I do see where you're coming from. I always send face pics of us with messages when we are interested in someone.
What I'm saying is that people who get lots of mail asking for meets probably cant be arsed to reply to them all asking for face pics as that may double the amount of mail. It's easier for them to delete the ones that don't send them in the first place. If it's written on their profile that they wont reply without face pics, it probably says to them that people haven't bothered to read their profile too. dunno
i get your point, inundated! i cant wait ! Haha lol
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Onthebeach_1
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Quote by Funlovers2009

i have commented on this previously, however i would like to make one observation, why do people state "no face pic, no reply" when they do not actually place face pic of themselves? Or do they derive some wierd pleaseure from collecting them?

I would say that this is because some couples and single girls especially get inundated with messages from single guys and couples and there needs to be some attraction there.
If a single guy or a couple sends a message and has no face pics attached to the message or in public on their profile, the recipient would then have to ask for some as they couldn't say that they're interested if they don't know what they look like. Multiply this by the gazillion messages that a single girl may get each day and it takes up a lot of time and effort when she may actually not fancy most of them.
i understand your argument but logically it does not make sense. Why ask for a face pic, to decide whether you you fancy them,when you do not post one, you are therefore assuming that everyone will fancy you/them purely based on what they put on their profile. As you say there has to be some attraction, surely it works both ways? On that basis, i or a couple should send a message and automatically ask for a face pic where none are shown? Surely that will not happen generally.
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Onthebeach_1
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Are there any events in East sussex going on in the coming months that would be open to single older male new to this site?
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Quote by Theladyisaminx
I was just reading another thread when I read this "maybe if you showed some photos you might get a meet? why would anyone in their right mind send a email to a couple with no photos?"
I don't know about others but I have never had photo's on profile but have never had a problem meeting from here and never suffered from no shows.
I decided not to have photos on profile when we joined, hubby said put some up but I said I want men to get to know me to want to meet and not want to meet me because they thought the photos were sexy. Likewise I never met men based on having photo's on profile.
I don't think photos can give you any idea about the people or person you intent meeting on the basis you found the photo's sexy. For me sexy is very much in the mind and you can't see that in pictures. I believe cam is a far better way to see a personality and sexiness within a person.
I have always insisted on having chats on cam, but never on photos. I would not meet anyone that never had a cam but had pictures.
I have believed if you don't want to cam you have a lot more to hide than not having photo's on profile. You can cam in a locked room here.
I have spoken to very sexy people that have no pictures but have cam.
I just wondered what other views are?

i have commented on this previously, however i would like to make one observation, why do people state "no face pic, no reply" when they do not actually place face pic of themselves? Or do they derive some wierd pleaseure from collecting them?
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Quote by skinny
If I answered every message I get on swinging heaven I'd have to spend up to 10 minutes a month replying, well in a good month anyway. Don't take it personally my friend, tis the way of things here. Most meetings and friendships will develop through the chatrooms or from social gatherings.

Haha, i dont know where you get all the spare time!
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Quote by tweeky
Dress it up this way, its a result thats legal and you can take strike action with. Thts all that matters.
An interesting thread it bears home a lot of what I said before. People look too much now at what others get that they dont rather than looking at if what they are getting is fair.

Does anyone know what the threshold is where action becomes legal?
I dont think people look, or are bothered that much by what others may get. However, perhaps when those same people are striking over loosing some thing that the onlookers already do without they may feel less inclined to support that action.
I worded my point in several instances rather badly. I dont care what people get that I dont. That said if I see someone or a group of people getting something that I do not and having it unfairly removed then I wouldent go against their action. I dont go as far as saying I will support it as I probably wont actually do anything. In a political instance if I thought that group was particularly hard done by it might effect my voting. Works in reverse too if I see a group getting less than I do having something taken away I would act the same. So Blue I dont support your view of not supporting people cus I didnt have that anyway.
As one is who affected by this, i think it is also worth pointing out that the present govt proposals will also affect private sector pensions. last year the govt effectively reduced existing pensions from RPI to CPI, ok so it may not make seem a lot. However 1/4 % reduction compounded over the life of your retirement is no small is also the basis that they wish to pay benefits in the future. So everyone in reciept of any benefit/s will be affected. In addition a nunber of private companies also follow the Govt lead in respect of wage increases and pensions, so therefore in future these will be based on the the lower CPI. Effectively the proposed strike may actually benefit those in the private sector too. One other thing i would add is that i will lose a days pay when i strike, i am prepared to do so. However, i can guarantee you, my work will not be done by a.n. other and will be waiting for me on my return. It is not like making widgets where production is lost by my absence. No matter how much people argue against the action and unions, one should always remember that most of the "good" working conditions that all employess enjoy are predominately because of unions.
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Quote by MidsCouple24
No No No you cannot do that it is so very wrong
So many people do NOT want to donate thier organs on death, some believe that being an organ donor the doctors wont try to save you as your death would benefit many people, som on religious grounds, others because they can't bear the thought of being cut open and bits removed, whatever thier reasons they have to be respected.
Unfortunately many people won't even know they have to opt out, some people have below average and even lower intelligence levels, who will make that decision for them, some cannot read, don't watch the news etc, me will simply forget to opt out, you cannot take that chance.

i take your very good point about about individuals who may not have a rational to decide whether to opt out, but i have always taken the view that when you are dead you are dead, and if any of my worn out old body parts can be of use, then they are welcome to have them! lol i signed up to organ donation online a couple of years back and would love to think that after my death, however it comes about, it would offer another the oppotunity to improve there life.
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Quote by Bluefish2009
Another couple of questions;
Do you feel this strike action will continue to receive public support?
I ask this because there are so many of us who have not had pay rises at all in many years, and can not afford a pension at all. So when people are upset that their pay rise was too small and pension is worth less it could well put peoples backs up.
There are many people struggling in this country just to feed the family on a weekly basis.
If strike action does not have the country's support, is it still such a powerful tool?

Thought i may chip in as a Unison member who has voted to strike! the issue of public support is being undermined by the media and the govt saying it is better than the private sector. that may be true, but it is a deliberate attempt to turmn the public against against the public sector.
i entered the public sector many years ago, i did not do so eith the thought, oh great! good pension job for life, i did it because it was the type of work i wanted to do.
i have not had a pay rise for three years now, and am unlikely to receive one for some time to come.
When the economy was thriving, i would never criticise the private sector employees for large pay awards or perks, which the public sector do not receive. what is evident is that private companies have on the whole very bad pension schemes if at all, or they have been plundered by the directors, who award thenselves large payouts and give their employees nothing.
the local govt pension scheme is different from other public sector schems in so much as it is funded and does not rely on present subsriptions to fund the present pensions. In reality most public sector pensions are funding future employees pensions. I ma funding my colleagues pension who have retired. the myth that there is not enough to fund future pensions is based on the assumption that if everyone retired tomorrow there would not be enough funds to sustain the demand. Finally what you have to consaider also is the the increases in pension contributions is not going into the pension pot but is merely paying of the debt caused caused by the bankers. i know there are oyher factors, but look at the state of europe and the world economies, that failure was based on the banks overlending and countries borrrowing too much. OK rant over. love you all!
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I find the issue of photos interesting in so much as I do not have any on my profile. The reason for this is that I tend to be a rather private person, particularly in respect of the nature of this website and to avoid complications to my present employment.
Neither does being private detract from what decisions I make about how I may want to live my life. I am however, more than happy to supply photos to anyone interested prior to a meet. No photos or cam does not always mean you have something to hide.
However I would like to know how to attach photos to an e mail response, without uploading to the websight. I am not computer illiterate, but if it can be done I would like to know how.
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