Somer sorry to hear you are unwell.
Hope to see you back here as bright as a button soon.
My thoughts and best wishes are sent your way
Get well soon
Take care
Minx
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Theladyisaminx
Over 90 days ago
Straight Female, 62
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Quote by __random_orbit__
... the agree to disagree principle. With that kind of presence people are unlikely to feel they will have a voice that will be listened to.
Is not the "agree to disagree" a good vehicle to allow exactly that? People can air thier views without too mush fear of descent into chaos... the counter-view can be presented... discussion held. No-one dies.
lp
yes in that way you are right. But I think I mean that if an argument has reached an impasse, its best to accept it and drop it, rather than continuing to find alternative ways to arrive at the same point.
But then agin you might want to agree to disagree
or beg to differ?hehe
and also... I dont want to leave, never considered it... but a tenner from theLadyisaMinx... well... what can I say?
lp
Just popping down the bank!
Quote by kentswingers777
I would say it was great to talk to someone that has the same outlook on life as me. Such a chilly easy to talk to person lovely to see people like you are here.
So thanks hunny!
I am sure we could talk for ever.
Well you was certainly not talking about me there Minxy.
No sorry I wasen't! :shock:
What I would have said to you is:
You remind me of a chocolate eclair.
Hard on the outside with a soft center !
Quote by Suede-head
Unfortunately these yobs have been created by a breakdown in society that has it roots a lot further back than 15 years.
I can not see any form of corporal punishment as being anything other than revenge and agree with Keeno that punishment however extreme will not act as a deterrent. It may make us feel better for a while ... but in the long run are those who dish out punishment as bad as the original perpetrators ? I can see why some can say they deserve it but does it make it right ?
Perpetrators of crimes will not be thinking about punishment as much as they are not thinking about their victims.
What i am disappointed with is the second part of "New" Labour`s pledge .... "tough on the causes of crime ... not the first part ... "tough on crime"
I'd much rather see the root problems being dealt with than this reaction to what in effect we have created ... a society where respect and thoughts for others have diminished.
Can it be done and how can it be done ... im not so sure, it may be too late :-(
Suede you are right a flogging is a short term answer for a long term problem.
Unless we go right back to the grass roots I believe it is never going to be resolved.
You talk total sense in your post.
I was just opening up a debate by throwing in the flogging. it is how I felt yesterday after reading that story. I don't think differently today, just my reaction might be different. So it always best to debate with a clear mind.
What I can see are some of the causes for crime and general attuidute are below.
Self belief
Respect for themselves and others
Deprivation
Education
Future prospects
Self belief
Parenting
Schooling
Social climate
Community spirit
Media
All have a part to play in my opinion
Quote by Sixfootsix
Ooooo I've never had my nipples pierced or had hot wax dripped on me either.
Not sure I want either of those things :scared:
I did have both nipples pierced.
Oh... and
hot wax - check.Ever been with a guy, over say, 6'5"...
I only ask purely out of trying to help you out in this game you understand!
Do you know - Nola thinks long and hard- I don't think I have been with a guy over six foot five...
Although it's usually the inches rather than the feet that I'm concerned about... :giggle:
My PM box is <----- thataway!
:rascal: (my flirt-o-meter seems to be getting cranked up again lol))
I am thinking you are a sly old fox!
Did you set up this orginal question so that you know what to offer which lady? :rascal: :twisted:
I am not going to single anyone out as you are always going to miss someone by accident, so to name isn't something I find easy.
I would like to say to all here you all have your part to play in my mind.
Sometimes I laugh :giggle:
Sometimes I feel we are on the same planet :thumbup:
Sometimes I dont get you
sometimes I feel frustrated
Sometimes I feel stupid :doh:
sometimes I feel sad :cry:
But I always feel a sense of community here.
So for that I like to thank you all.
ooo I have come over all sentimental now
I would like to say to all here you all have your part to play in my mind.
Sometimes I laugh :giggle:
Sometimes I feel we are on the same planet :thumbup:
Sometimes I dont get you
sometimes I feel frustrated
Sometimes I feel stupid :doh:
sometimes I feel sad :cry:
But I always feel a sense of community here.
So for that I like to thank you all.
ooo I have come over all sentimental now
I have had moments of doubt but I wouldn’t leave I have just renewed my yearly subscription, plus another on the other woman’s.
I feel touchy when things are going on in my private life, like my mothers illness then I feel very vulnerable to what others say or do stupid things hurt and anger me then, where normally I just take no notice.
I think we all need to think is it this place that gets to you is just the general feelings in life?
I have also counted the amount that said they have considered leaving here it is I believe about 5 haven’t we all felt that at times but hey we are all still here.
So I say lets party have fun and see the positives here, the negatives are always easier to find.
I would say don't get to wrapped up in people and be here for yourself.
I feel touchy when things are going on in my private life, like my mothers illness then I feel very vulnerable to what others say or do stupid things hurt and anger me then, where normally I just take no notice.
I think we all need to think is it this place that gets to you is just the general feelings in life?
I have also counted the amount that said they have considered leaving here it is I believe about 5 haven’t we all felt that at times but hey we are all still here.
So I say lets party have fun and see the positives here, the negatives are always easier to find.
I would say don't get to wrapped up in people and be here for yourself.
Quote by anais
So we should just tell the poor old guy that got beaten up that we're not going to punish the poor misguided youths that did this if they are caught as its the fault of society for not giving them a playground when they were younger
That should do the trick yes....
Yup, that's about it Steve..
The Liberals will all be for getting the likkle gobshites in to the same room as the victim so they can "unburden" themselves so they will become better people.
Ooooo, I must be a liberal - bugga!!
I actually believe that for some young people it can work - see it done and used the process myself!
I think it depends on the crime though - hurting someone is a different kettle of fish than smashing a shop window or whatever.
I believe it can work on children.
So Anais I must be a mixed up liberal.
as:
I don't think at the age of 20+ there is much anyone can do then. I might be wrong.
What happens then?
Quote by keeno
My opinions on how these people are to be punished is not the subject of the discussion.
Question.
Are you prepared to flog these people yourself or would you pay someone else 30 pieces of silver to do it for you?
Your opinions on punishment are up for debate as you have questioned my answer to punishment. Thus bringing yourself into the punishment debate. I have a right to ask in my opinion as you have the same right to say I am wrong in my thinking.
I am generally happy with the sentances meted out by the courts of this land.
I do not believe that violence gegets anything other than violence.
I do not believe tough sentancing or punishment act as a deterant since I believe that crimes are carried out by people who don't believe they are going to get caught.
Keeno you know I am not digging you out here but you are the only one up for this counter debate and I respect you for that, we have pm-ed each other to say so to.
But I have to disagree with this statement as so many offenders reoffend doesn’t that contradict your statement. If they thought they wouldn’t get caught.
Why do it again and not have learnt from their first lesson?
I think because the deterrent isn’t good enough.
Quote by keeno
I wonder how many people feel too intimidated to post oppositional views on this thread?
You as well as anyone else entitled to your views and opinions.
To debate takes two side, without which we can’t debate as then we would all agree.
I am just coming back with a counter debating points, as I don’t know what you think thus not being able to debate further.
That we agree or disagree to me is irrelevant we can at a point beg to differ.
Hopefully what we are debating here is the form of punishment as that is why you entered this debate as you stated you disagree with what I said. Hopefully we both agree this was a vile act.
If it was on punishment I have stated my stance here but as yet you haven’t said how you would treat such criminals.
As you stated prisons are full. We all know prison doesn’t seem a deterrent.
You are right in places where corporal of capital punishment is given out, there are still crimes that warrant such punishment.
But I do wonder if such levels would rise if these punishments were abolished.
When this country done away with such punishments the levels of such crimes rose to what we have today.
So all I would say if crimes have risen, so has innocent victims that are being affected.
Isn’t it about time we started thinking about the victims rights first?
It is a sad state of affairs that on asking my son about crime he expects to get mugged in his life.
Doesn't this say we all live in fear of crime?
Quote by keeno
My opinions on how these people are to be punished is not the subject of the discussion.
Question.
Are you prepared to flog these people yourself or would you pay someone else 30 pieces of silver to do it for you?
Your opinions on punishment are up for debate as you have questioned my answer to punishment. Thus bringing yourself into the punishment debate. I have a right to ask in my opinion as you have the same right to say I am wrong in my thinking.
Quote by keeno
Tough on crime?
More people are in prison in Britain than anywhere else in Europe.
Coperal punishment and capital punishment do not work here, or anywhere else. We still had violent crime when we hung people.
I feel this thread just shows the general lack of moral intelligence and imagination of the British public.
Just a knee jerk reaction and jumping on a band wagon.
If it was my Grandad, yes I would different of course but it wasn't. Luckily reason and logic still rule my head.
Sorry but I treat all innocent people the same not not just because of what happened to my grandad.
I see all children and old people as vulnerable and innocent people in our society and as such be protected at all costs. Crimes against them are the lowest form of crime in my honest opinion.
You havent answer how would you treat 20+ year olds that acted in this manner?
Quote by __random_orbit__
... danced with the devil in the cold moon light...
lp
I am a :twisted: would I do?
if you have a plethora (?) of right-feet to balance the sackload of left's I've been blessed with?
nearest to dancing I may have come was a few mosh-pit experiences ... I was never sure whether I was dancing, fighting or simply trying to survive!
oh the chaos!
lp
Thats odd I have a sack load of right-feet. Do you think the two would counter balance?
I see a heap on the floor!
