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Theladyisaminx
Over 90 days ago
Straight Female, 62
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To form an opinion on a topic or issue I believe the following!
By reading newspapers or watching the news is just an item or report based on that one person’s interpretations of that item or topic.
To gather ones own opinion is to question and listen to others views research such issues see whats happened before, gather facts from all sorts of resources only then in my opinion can we gathered enough facts to form our own opinion.
But I do find a lot of people are unable to gather their own opinion as they believe totally what they have read, or seen by a couple of resources.
But there are a lot here that have an opinion but keep an open mind, we read what others say and think.
I like to think others can help me change my opinion as we don’t know all the facts and sometimes what people say can make me see something in a different light that I haven’t thought of before.
We all form our opinions in different ways and we are all entitled to do so.
How do you form an opinion?
Are you open to change you opinion?
By reading newspapers or watching the news is just an item or report based on that one person’s interpretations of that item or topic.
To gather ones own opinion is to question and listen to others views research such issues see whats happened before, gather facts from all sorts of resources only then in my opinion can we gathered enough facts to form our own opinion.
But I do find a lot of people are unable to gather their own opinion as they believe totally what they have read, or seen by a couple of resources.
But there are a lot here that have an opinion but keep an open mind, we read what others say and think.
I like to think others can help me change my opinion as we don’t know all the facts and sometimes what people say can make me see something in a different light that I haven’t thought of before.
We all form our opinions in different ways and we are all entitled to do so.
How do you form an opinion?
Are you open to change you opinion?
Quote by kentswingers777
I would love to hear FB'S comments on this post. As she is a teacher I am sure she and her fellow teachers, have to deal with this thing on a daily basis. I can only imagine some of the horror stories the childs act has created not just for the teachers, but the police and in some cases the parents.
Yes kids should have rights but to get those rights, you have to be a member of the human race and society. They do have way too many rights, but it is a situation this tosser Government has created.
Human rights are one thing, but you should have to earn those rights, and not have them given to you if you prove, not to be part of a normal society.
FB.... I await your comments.
777 sorry have to diagree the "Childrens Right" came to be in 1991
Who was in power then?
It was a european legislation enforced upon us!
Look at this link!
Has this Government not hugely ammended it then Minx? I think you will find they have....many times.
777 I believe nobody but the convention set up in the UN are allowed to change them.
All our government can do is promote and report back yearly findings of how they are working.
A convention is an agreement between countries to obey the same law. When the government of a country ratifies a convention, that means it agrees to obey the rules set out in that convention.
The link I send you is an intresting one to read and understand it is worth a read.
Quote by naughtynymphos1
depends on the subject, if you say children should not have rights then you are basically saying people can do what the hell they want to them because they have no rights, so in that case i have to say yes children should and must have rights.
If you read the whole thread nobody is saying people can do what the hell they like to them.
And if the "childrens rights" were removed all children would still be protected umder "human rights"
The "children rights" were set up to protect children that were being abused. Not all children are being abused, but most think the Childrens rights are there to abuse.
Quote by Dawnie
If someone thinks that someone they once thought as trustworthy and honest isn't so then just move on and leave them be...
Its not rocket science really....
Lifes too short to waste it dwelling an what once was..
I guess that depends if you 'think' that are not honest, or you 'know' they are not.
Sometimes friendships are worth a second try
I agree I would always think friendships are worth another try.
Quote by anais
I've given condoms to a 12 yr old... and they don't get them that easy either at that age!!
Why did I do it? Because this 12 yr old was having risky sex and perhaps would have ended up with either an STi or pregnant. I stand by the decision I made at that time - it was the right one.
Yes, I would never give a young person a ciggie or a light! Contradictory? Yep!
In my opinion there is no link between the two!
One is for the protection of the child.
I don't condone a child under 16 having sex but I would rather see they are getting the right protection.
Quote by kentswingers777
I would be very interested to know what you think are the positives here?
Yes she is positive by allowing her Daughter to go on the pill at 12...superb that one. The police should have been called in. She is a child, a minor who should be doing things that kids do at 12. That is not drinking taking smokes of all sorts, and certainly NOT having .
Worst of all is doing this with her Mothers consent....very nice.
Okaaay, here I go.
The 'Positive' is that the girl, at the age of 12 will not get pregnant.
Kids from the age of (normally @ 14 at the minute) are going to have sex whether or not you or any other parent forbids them to do so. It's life.
So what would you rather do? teach safe sex, educate of the protection of STI's? or turn a blind eye to them having sex... because it's wrong?
I'm NOT advocating that it right for a child under the age of 16 yrs old to be having sex, but teenage pregnancy statistics show that these girls would be better off with some kind of help and advice, would you not agree??
I was gutted when I found out my daughter had had sex at the age of 15 years old. I'd found out she'd been for STI screening also. Furious? yes, I threw her pills in the bin. After I calmed down I realised though that as she had been with her boyfriend for over a year she had indeed been sensible about her of her approach to having sex for the first time.
I think for the record the mother from this thread is nuts, and I do think at 12 the child is too young to be having sex, but she's even more 'too young to be a mum'.
Sorry Mar but where did you get that piece of information from? :shock:
Mrs777's Daughter is that age well 15, and none of her mates have, and she has loads of friends.
Tell you what parents could do if they found out their Daughter was having UNDERAGE ILLEGAL sex, take them to school...pick them up from school...and then ground them. Or is that too difficult for some to do? Too much hassle?
Sorry Mar in my book when a child, yes a child, has sex at the age of 12, then Social Services should be brought in. Where the heck is societies morals now? We are not talking about a 15 year old, we are talking about a child that has just left primary school.
Not nit picking Mar, its just the way I see it. There is a does a child have rights thread going, what about the parents protecting those childrens rights, when they find out that child has had sex at 12? Or has that child now got the right to have underage illegal sex?
There are ways of stopping your child from doing this, but it takes time and patience, and a lot of hard work, things that some parents would not know the meaning of.
Sorry 777 how would know that information for sure?
I was 15 my parents never knew god help me if they found out to.
The school I went to in the the late 70's I would say a quarter of the class had sex before 16. There was a room at school pregnant mothers could go.
Going back I have family members that were pregnant at 16 the difference then it was all shot gun weddings babies before marriage was a disgrace to the family name.
The problems of under age sex or woman falling pregnant out of wedlock have always been a problem since man and women first walked this earth.
Nothings changed it is just more transparent now
Quote by kentswingers777
I would love to hear FB'S comments on this post. As she is a teacher I am sure she and her fellow teachers, have to deal with this thing on a daily basis. I can only imagine some of the horror stories the childs act has created not just for the teachers, but the police and in some cases the parents.
Yes kids should have rights but to get those rights, you have to be a member of the human race and society. They do have way too many rights, but it is a situation this tosser Government has created.
Human rights are one thing, but you should have to earn those rights, and not have them given to you if you prove, not to be part of a normal society.
FB.... I await your comments.
777 sorry have to diagree the "Childrens Right" came to be in 1991
Who was in power then?
It was a european legislation enforced upon us!
Look at this link!
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Im feeling like expressing my own opinions today, just for the hell of it, and maybe i will be flamed, maybe not...TBH i dont really care today!
I think kids today have WAY too many rights. Its people who fall over themselves to be so right on an politically correct that have done this.
Yes children are human beings, yes they have basic human rights as any of them should....BUT there is a fundamental difference....we as adults and parents care for them from when they are born untill they are of an age when they, in effect, leave the nest.
We have to rely on our own instincts and best judgements to choose the right options for them to live their lives and to grow up into kind, loving and respectful adults. They need and should be taught manners, respect for elders, property and the rights of others.
Now Im not suggesting for one minute thatthey should have no rights and should be beaten, pressganged or forced into submission every time, or that adults should abuse their positions at any time, BUT the kids of today are only too well aware of their hyped up rights and many of those can and do play on this to the detriment of their parents, families and society in general.
How many times is a child misbehave at school and told off, or whatever, for them to spout...you cant do owt to me...i know my rights. Thus leaving the teacher with hands tied as regards to a means to sort out the problem.
The same with parents....those with 'wayward and challenging' kids (and I know there are quite a few on here that have kids like this) how many times have they had their attempts at family discipline met with....'you cant do that...i know my rights', or 'thats it...I divorce you as my parents'....or even 'you cant do that...I'll call childline!'
Giving children to many rights and therefore too much responsibility for their own action....responsibility that has no recourse.....has given them almost carte blanche to do as they want to.
I have 4 kids age 15, 11, 9 and 5, and if god forbid any of them came home having said that the teacher had had to ask them twice to do something, then bodily moved them for ignoring them, I would be 100% behind the teacher....when we send the kids to school, we do so with the understanding that they are to be in loco parentis, and deal with our children appropriately, as we would.
We have brought our kids to be mindful of adults, respectful and with good manners....doesnt always happen 100% of the time (Im not naive enough to think it does) and on the times they fall by the wayside (which having a couple of kids with behavioural difficulties) happens, we have to steer them back to the path which we as parents have had to try and map out for them without a manual or at least basic instructions in chinese with helpful diagrams!)
example...one of my kids has dyspraxia which affects his behaviour quite badly at times......he thinks he can play on this and behave badly to get out of school work......he got excluded for refusing to work, and the teacher tried within his limited confines, to get him to work....and got kicked by my child hence the exclusion.
Did he come home and watch cbeebies for 2 days or go out on his bike....did he buggery.....he was up at the normal time, dressed in his school uniform, and he completed all the work that Mr Bone had requested from the school, and more besides, from till
school were surprised he had even completed the minimal amount of work they gave him, let alone more, as its rare that any excluded child does the work given, and are usually shove outside or on a games console so as not to interfere with things.
anyways, I dont wish to blow my own trumpet...Im not a perfect parent, its a damn hard job, and one I have made many mistakes doing, and one i will probably continue to make mistakes doing, but as an adult in my kids lives, and the adults that my kids may come into contact, teachers, police, other adults in general we all have a duty to be able to maintain order and discipline, calm and direction in the childrens lives, without them running amok with the plethora of rights a minority have given them.
The removal of adults rights and the instillation of more and more kids rights is making a rod for our own backs....the generations before us, as ourselves, grew up with the respect for elders and those in positions of authority, and we strive to instill that in our own kids.....sadly fighting a losing battle as the more things that kids can get away with without fear of a penalty, will just snowball into future generations so that maybe one day, noone will have to, or even be bothered to follow rules, regulations and laws, because someone somewhere decided they didnt have too.
addendum...i understand there are kids that need protecting from nasty mean, cruel and bad adults, and I for one am fully behind any and all legislation that prevents this, I write the above post from a point of view of a 'normal' parent with 'normal' kids who are loved and cherished and hopefully going to grow up as smart, well adjusted, self assured adults, who will pass on similar values to their kids.
*gets down off soap box and leaves thread for a toilet break*
:thumbup: Great post, I couldn't have worded it better myself.
Quote by deancannock
100% children should have rights.
I do know where you are coming from, but should children then know they have rights?
A lot of children in my opinion don't seem to know what this means, they seem to think they are except from all forms of responsibility.
I believe children should be protected from such things as violence, mental, physical and sexual abuse.
They are a human being and should be afforded the same rights of protection as any individual.
You can protect children without giving them "childens rights" this seems to instil in them that they are against any form of punishment.
You say they can't have rights because they can't think and fend for themselves.
Wel what about handicapped people, they quite often have a mental age of a child. Or are we saying they don't deserve rights !!!
Everyone deserves protection but child are aware that they have their own rights. We grew up without childrens rights, but I for one always felt the law was there to protect me.
Now pulling a child into line is not going to violate those rights may I add.
But children think it does, there lies the problem.
The fact is the child in this case was after attention and showing off in front of others. The teacher played straight into there hands...gave them the attention they sought and as can be seen from your own childs stance, they became to victim in the eyes of others. Had the teacher told the person to get into line or 30 mins detention was coming there way after school...and that to be extended to another 30 min detention for every time they had to tell them again..I think maybe it would have been a differant comclusion.
Well apparently my daughter said this lad has had five 30 mins detention plus two 1 hr ones. So I guess that wouldn’t be a deterrent for him.
What do you do in cases like that?
He only started the school in September aged 11 don’t think he will be there much longer is my guessing.
Is anything you have commented on any differant to a adult? There are adults that push bounderies and limits of there rights. There are adults that have been locked up numerous times and still continue to offend. Are you saying that me and you as 'normal' citizens should have our rights taken away from us because others don't seem to understand the rules.
Yes I believe I am
Adults in my opinion are different to children, here seems to lie the problem.
Adults should be educated enough and have the knowledge to know that to abuse anyone's "human rights" they suffer the consequences and be punished accordingly.
I know there are many adults sadly that are not educated enough to know right from wrong.
Children to me are different they are not born with a level of education that an adult should have, they are not born with the wisdom of knowing right from wrong, so we as adults all have a duty in society to teach them surely.
But when you are asking a child to do something they don’t want to do, for them to then turn around and say you can not make me!
It is true we can not make them do anything they don't want to do.
So where do we go from here?
Most children seem to think that they are untouchable not only from their parents but from the law too, because if a parent can't make them do something, how
the hell is anyone else?
Children don't seem to know about the “ human rights” but do throw the "Children’s rights" in your face at the first opportunity. So many Children are jumping on this bandwagon.
We all know why "Children's rights come into being to protect Children in our society that have been abused mentally physically or sexually, and I agree these vulnerable children should totally be protected.
I am lucky I educate my children and as yet have no problems as I teach them both rights human and children’s, I explain what both stand for.
But I bet there are a lot of children that don't understand that the two go together.
I hope this makes some sense.
Quote by jaymar
i think that children do have rights. however, alot also have a total disrespect for the adults around them. there is a huge difference between what a child should have and how they use that to break the rules.
they don't understand what having rights is about. all they see it as it a way to say 'you can't tell me what to do'.
well my son has rules and has been told that he has the right to say what he thinks but in the correct way if he wants to be heard. he has also been told that if he wants to live by his own rules with his 'rights' he best find a deserted island somewhere. coz that's the only way he's going to get to do that without causing problems for other people.
again all this lack of respect comes from home and peer pressure.
the world has gone mad!
whips
Whips I have read a lot of your posts and I think we are singing from the same hymn book a lot of the time.
Of course I think children should be protected but their interpretation of the "children rights" is all wrong, as they don't have the wisdom to understand them.
I think that statement applies to nearly everyone who posts on here simply because people have their own opinion. Minxy you indeed do the same yourself
Whoops sorry what I meant was I agree with a lot of her postings.
It must be a southern saying when you agree with someone.
Stupid saying when you think about it so I apologise for any confusion. So no I wouldn't apply to all that posts here in my opinion. But I do value others opinions.
All children have rights, it is ridiculus to suggest that haven't.
Human Rights.
Yes children are protected under "human rights" but also they have "children’s rights" also.
Could this not confuse a child into think they are different than any other human being. I know they are younger but if they all seem to know their "Children’s right" why don't they seem to know the fundamental part of the "human rights" too
sadly these seem to some forumites to be a moveable feast depending on your behaviour. Apperently somethings exclude you from them. :cry:
I don't quiet know what this statement means, could you explain please.
Human Rights.
Yes children are protected under "human rights" but also they have "children’s rights" also.
Could this not confuse a child into think they are different than any other human being. I know they are younger but if they all seem to know their "Children’s right" why don't they seem to know the fundamental part of the "human rights" too
sadly these seem to some forumites to be a moveable feast depending on your behaviour. Apperently somethings exclude you from them. :cry:
I don't quiet know what this statement means, could you explain please.
Quote by Whipsnspurs
i think that children do have rights. however, alot also have a total disrespect for the adults around them. there is a huge difference between what a child should have and how they use that to break the rules.
they don't understand what having rights is about. all they see it as it a way to say 'you can't tell me what to do'.
well my son has rules and has been told that he has the right to say what he thinks but in the correct way if he wants to be heard. he has also been told that if he wants to live by his own rules with his 'rights' he best find a deserted island somewhere. coz that's the only way he's going to get to do that without causing problems for other people.
again all this lack of respect comes from home and peer pressure.
the world has gone mad!
whips
Whips I have read a lot of your posts and I think we are singing from the same hymn book a lot of the time.
Of course I think children should be protected but their interpretation of the "children rights" is all wrong, as they don't have the wisdom to understand them.
100% children should have rights.
I do know where you are coming from, but should children then know they have rights?
A lot of children in my opinion don't seem to know what this means, they seem to think they are except from all forms of responsibility.
I believe children should be protected from such things as violence, mental, physical and sexual abuse.
They are a human being and should be afforded the same rights of protection as any individual.
You can protect children without giving them "childens rights" this seems to instil in them that they are against any form of punishment.
You say they can't have rights because they can't think and fend for themselves.
Wel what about handicapped people, they quite often have a mental age of a child. Or are we saying they don't deserve rights !!!
Everyone deserves protection but child are aware that they have their own rights. We grew up without childrens rights, but I for one always felt the law was there to protect me.
Now pulling a child into line is not going to violate those rights may I add.
But children think it does, there lies the problem.
The fact is the child in this case was after attention and showing off in front of others. The teacher played straight into there hands...gave them the attention they sought and as can be seen from your own childs stance, they became to victim in the eyes of others. Had the teacher told the person to get into line or 30 mins detention was coming there way after school...and that to be extended to another 30 min detention for every time they had to tell them again..I think maybe it would have been a differant comclusion.
Well apparently my daughter said this lad has had five 30 mins detention plus two 1 hr ones. So I guess that wouldn’t be a deterrent for him.
What do you do in cases like that?
He only started the school in September aged 11 don’t think he will be there much longer is my guessing.
I do know where you are coming from, but should children then know they have rights?
A lot of children in my opinion don't seem to know what this means, they seem to think they are except from all forms of responsibility.
I believe children should be protected from such things as violence, mental, physical and sexual abuse.
They are a human being and should be afforded the same rights of protection as any individual.
You can protect children without giving them "childens rights" this seems to instil in them that they are against any form of punishment.
You say they can't have rights because they can't think and fend for themselves.
Wel what about handicapped people, they quite often have a mental age of a child. Or are we saying they don't deserve rights !!!
Everyone deserves protection but child are aware that they have their own rights. We grew up without childrens rights, but I for one always felt the law was there to protect me.
Now pulling a child into line is not going to violate those rights may I add.
But children think it does, there lies the problem.
The fact is the child in this case was after attention and showing off in front of others. The teacher played straight into there hands...gave them the attention they sought and as can be seen from your own childs stance, they became to victim in the eyes of others. Had the teacher told the person to get into line or 30 mins detention was coming there way after school...and that to be extended to another 30 min detention for every time they had to tell them again..I think maybe it would have been a differant comclusion.
Well apparently my daughter said this lad has had five 30 mins detention plus two 1 hr ones. So I guess that wouldn’t be a deterrent for him.
What do you do in cases like that?
He only started the school in September aged 11 don’t think he will be there much longer is my guessing.
Quote by DeeCee
What I can see are some of the causes for crime and general attuidute are below.
Self belief
Respect for themselves and others
Deprivation
Education
Future prospects
Self belief
Parenting
Schooling
Social climate
Community spirit
Media
All have a part to play in my opinion
i would add...
Substance use/Abuse
yep sorry missed that one!
I am sure there are others to.
Until these things are tackled heavily I feel there is no moving forward.
Should children have rights?
I had a conversation with my 12 year old daughter last night about an incident that happened at school.
She was telling me that a teacher grabbed a child and pulled him into line after she had asked him twice to line up.
She was horrified that a teacher could treat a child this way, I went onto say If this happened to one of my children I would be mortified that they didn’t do that was asked first time, so I would back the teacher.
My Daughter couldn’t believe my stance on this, and said think of the child, he must of felt embarrassed all I said was “and your point is”. She then said “he has rights and shouldn’t be treated this way”.
I then replied, if you feel you have totally rights then you should be able to leave home and live on your own. You should be able to live and do exactly what you like and fend for yourself.
Are you able to do this? Her response was “no”.
Then I said all we are here to do is to raise children to the best of our ability to be law abiding individual that have respect for others.
What did that child show that was pulled into line. She said disrespect for the teacher.
I said here lies the problem
Children think they have rights but are to young to understand what that means.
Here lies the dilemma
I believe children should have a voice
But I don’t believe they should have rights.
Do you believe a child should have a voice?
Should children be given rights?
Do Children really know what these rights are?
Couldn’t this be one of the root causes why so many Children show lack of respect?
Do you believe to have a voice is different from having rights?
I had a conversation with my 12 year old daughter last night about an incident that happened at school.
She was telling me that a teacher grabbed a child and pulled him into line after she had asked him twice to line up.
She was horrified that a teacher could treat a child this way, I went onto say If this happened to one of my children I would be mortified that they didn’t do that was asked first time, so I would back the teacher.
My Daughter couldn’t believe my stance on this, and said think of the child, he must of felt embarrassed all I said was “and your point is”. She then said “he has rights and shouldn’t be treated this way”.
I then replied, if you feel you have totally rights then you should be able to leave home and live on your own. You should be able to live and do exactly what you like and fend for yourself.
Are you able to do this? Her response was “no”.
Then I said all we are here to do is to raise children to the best of our ability to be law abiding individual that have respect for others.
What did that child show that was pulled into line. She said disrespect for the teacher.
I said here lies the problem
Children think they have rights but are to young to understand what that means.
Here lies the dilemma
I believe children should have a voice
But I don’t believe they should have rights.
Do you believe a child should have a voice?
Should children be given rights?
Do Children really know what these rights are?
Couldn’t this be one of the root causes why so many Children show lack of respect?
Do you believe to have a voice is different from having rights?
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Why can’t some people just accept there are some nice genuine people about?
Because sometimes the ones you think are nice and genuine turn out to be as two faced and backstabbing as the worst ones you've ever met
I agree that can be the case sometimes, But I don't think it is the case all the time, but to me unless you talk to them and say how you both feel nothing seems to get resolved.
As it could all be a total mis understanding.
Before joining this site we had fantasies we wanted to act out. It takes time and you have to feel right for it to happen. We never met through an advert we found it better to start to chat to people in the rooms.
We have met a few guys 2 of which we still have fun with from time to time.
I do the chatting as hubby said it is me they have to impress,
But the first time it took me months to feel comfortable to take the plunge to make arrangements with this guy, in the end I just thought I know I want to lets just go for it and see what happens. You never know until you try.
As I said we have now met a couple of guys and I have no regrets and am still enjoying the fun. We only meet ever few months but still chat as friends pretty regular and still look forward to the meets
I think you will know when it is right.
But the longer you wait sometimes the harder it is.
But good luck what ever you decide.
We have met a few guys 2 of which we still have fun with from time to time.
I do the chatting as hubby said it is me they have to impress,
But the first time it took me months to feel comfortable to take the plunge to make arrangements with this guy, in the end I just thought I know I want to lets just go for it and see what happens. You never know until you try.
As I said we have now met a couple of guys and I have no regrets and am still enjoying the fun. We only meet ever few months but still chat as friends pretty regular and still look forward to the meets
I think you will know when it is right.
But the longer you wait sometimes the harder it is.
But good luck what ever you decide.
your avatar I mean!
have fun!It's come to my attention that a couple of people on here think I'm a flirt, I'm not sure how they've come to form this opinion, but it's unfounded and unjustified.
As an olive branch though, I'm willing to work it out, in one to one sessions or as a group, if I deem it neccessary.
Now that the formalities are out of the way, I'll open the floor.
Am I a flirt? Yes you are
What do you like about my flirting? :gagged:
Are there any women I havent flirted with? Yes me :cry:
Can I help myself? Nope must be in your genes
Can I have your number? You havent even asked my name :shock:
Well you did ask! :giggle: :giggle:
As an olive branch though, I'm willing to work it out, in one to one sessions or as a group, if I deem it neccessary.
Now that the formalities are out of the way, I'll open the floor.
Am I a flirt? Yes you are
What do you like about my flirting? :gagged:
Are there any women I havent flirted with? Yes me :cry:
Can I help myself? Nope must be in your genes
Can I have your number? You havent even asked my name :shock:
Well you did ask! :giggle: :giggle:
