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edinbughchris
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Quote by Silk and Big G
Swinging is a difficult one , since it flys in the face of one of the strongest regulations that maintain the family group.

Fascinating - maybe one day we'll have some stats on it. Although swinging appears to fly in the face of a regulation that binds the family group (monogamy) I wonder if this is the case. The implied threat to the family group is unfaithfulness/adultery leading to separation. I suspect that swinging perhaps actually reduces the likelihood of this happening.
I read an interesting phillosphical argument once that suggested that the natural evolution of the family group would be to an extended group. Swinging increases levels of trust on one very fundamental level - that of sexual relations. Long may it flourish.
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Quote by lucyweebaps
OOO Chris .. what's it to be handbags and Gladrags :P my Fav
Lucy xxxxxx

Well that sounds a bit advanced for a karaoke virgin - I was thinking more of something very easy like 'Have a Nice Day' lol
Well it seems Carol is expecting me to perform in front of others so I have been researching ways not to let her down. Apart from finding something to make everyone want to join in, or waiting till everyone is legless anyway and otherwise occupied, one trick seems to be choosing numbers with limited range and no tricky notes to reach, such as Kylie (if I'm a gurl) and Stereophonics (if I'm a boy). As I'm a boy I hope everyone can sing along to stereophonics :color:
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Or instead of a profile, just tell us a bit about yourself on here if you like Hannah - we don't bite (usually!)
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Of the times I've gone to a club as a single male I've only not been 'lucky' on one occasion (about the same number of times as when I've been to clubs with a swinging partner).
But I put that down to not being afraid to chat (and hopefully be interesting) to people without "I want a shag" tattooed on my forehead.
Further words on this in reply to the original post would probably be wasted. The only way to find out about swingers clubs is to go to one, with an open mind and - if I can say it without sounding horribly cheesy - an open heart as well.
Clubs vary a lot, but on the whole I'd say the clubbing scene for most newcomers (like the swinging scene) is nothing like you would ever have imagined (please read that literally, not as an advert - I just mean whatever your views and impressions are beforehand, they will probably change radically.)
Hi - Mark's just PM'd me saying there's a big backlog of reviews on the clubs pages. Running a couple of 'hobby' websites in my spare time and with the time pressures of normal life I know how hard it can be to keep everything up to date. Maybe a dedicated 'club review' thread in the forum could be a possibility?
Back on the original post of this thread - I'd add my support to everyone else that has posted here; but also say maybe let's not blow it up too much - the comment might have been a crass attempt at breaking the ice or just someone opening their mouth without their brain in gear and probably regretting it later. We all make mistakes. Not saying forgive or forget, but maybe writing it off as a one-off bad night might be a simple and positive option too.
I think the singles going into the couples room is a bit off - someone (pref a regular) should have reported it and the management come down firmly, but after the fact it's much harder to do anything. Again, I'm not wanting to play devil's advocate so much as just try and see a way forward. The sort of behaviour you mention always gets my goat, but of course I have usually thought of a contsructive/witty/sensible way to handle it by the time I get home rather than on the spot when it's needed.
Better luck next time - and rest assured most clubs don't see such behaviour (quite interested to know which one it was - PM me if you don't want to name and shame but feel ok about letting me know).
All the best xxx Chris :therethere:
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You just need to PM Mark - the site owner/administrator. And yes, he does post - look for the bloke with the scary hair!!
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Have done. None of my reviews made it but I didn't know who to PM. Will see what he says. (I think the scary hair is a tribute to the David Lynch film Eraserhead btw)
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Personally I dont think that it is in the least bit whingey or soft and I have no doubt that it did anger you. Make sure you either name the club here or failing that, put a "suitable" review on the clubs page.

Sadly, I don't think the club reviews page is being updated FeeBee sad Anyone know different on this? Do the SH hosts post on here?
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I'd say keep it. It's obviously tongue in cheek and as original as any. Does anyone really think you are the celebrities or multimillionaires and who cares if you were - you are who you are and, from other peeps perspective, the people portrayed in your SH posts and the impressions you create when you meet people, not yourname!
I for one get a genuine good vibe from you - and you had the humility to even question your name - so until proved otherwise you're both cool with me and you can use any name you like!!
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You should move to scotland!!!!!

TOTALLY!!!!!!
Scotland is the best country in the world and Edinburgh (pardon me, Lil-Miz) is the best city. People are incredibly friendly (it starts in Manchester and increases as you go north!)
When you live in the centre as I do everywhere is staggering distance home. The pubs are open to 3am and the nightlife is world class. Facilities for kids are great too.
The only downside is that there are no swingers clubs if you are into clubbing. Scottish Encounters has just changed and a half-planned trip to one of their couples events I had in mind (with a swinging friend visiting from England) has evaporated when we looked at the prices. But looking at the enthusiasm in Scotland, it could even be a coachload to Cupids regularly!
The N.E. has the best clubs I've been to, friendly and informal, though Bham has a few nice ones too. If I lived in the NE I'd only want a committed swinger relationship. In Scotland that's less parctical. But the rule north of Manchester, and especially in Scotland (generally not just swinging), just seems to be that it's ok to speak to strangers, single women are ok going to bars on their own, people don't think you are weird if you say hello on the street etc. The big metropolises like London saying hello is almost a sectionable offence and peeps I know in London feel quite isolated by the amount of time needed to break into new social circles. Up here you just enjoy yourself - every night of the week if you want!
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Great film - especially Laura Linney as the wife subjecting herself to 'de-flowering'. Liked the Kinsey website too - some great links, including a dictionary of misleading words and some great advice on handling discriminating behaviour (eg behaviour offensive to gay, transexual people etc) and common pitfalls, how to defuse tension rather than just increase it by sticking up for those attacked by attacking the attackers.
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I also have experience of doing presentations to very large groups but have never done one to just three people!!

The approach I use for small groups is different, though I've used elements of 'the small groups technique' to big groups.
Doing a presentation on stage to a large group is like giving an acting performance - you have to be slightly larger than life. When you talk to a small group, it helps, on the other hand, to treat it more like a confidential chat. You have their attention, give them your secrets. Keep the voice low (but still project it), concentrate on one person at a time then switch your eye contact and body language to another one, and repeat. It's the body language and voice patterns you use naturally when talking to trusted friends about something serious that you probably want. Remember they are the only people in the room, so keep the tone personal, not as if people passing in the corridor can follow every word.
If you want to practice, try the presentation to a single person, preferably someone close to you - just talk to them! If you need notes, keep it to just key reminder words as bullet points, on A5 cards or a clipboard. Same for slides (eg powerpoint), but if you use slides make them an addition to what you are saying not the other way round. - Keep the attention on younot on the slides. Slides are just there as a reminder of what you are saying. Don't read from the slides - you might as well just send them the powerpoint presentation on a CD!
The personal approach in this setting comes over as more sincere, and so more convincing. If you have to be a bit more formal at some point, you can even add a bit of a smile, as if to say "this is how I might do it to a big important audience!"
When I learnt public speaking I was taught by a Royal Academy trainer - the result being a slightly grand style - great for big speeches but years later it took a video of me doing the same five minute speech in the two styles and the rest of the class saying how much better the second, more personal style was, for me to be convinced. We learn to trust our 'stage' style and letting go is a big step.
Take some deep breaths or whatever relaxation exercises you do before you go in, and then GOOD LUCK!!!
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ps PM me if you want me to elaborate on any of this
Quote by sexyscotcarol
Can i take u up on both offers sounds like a fun night wink
Carol

Yes of course! smile
making two offers in the same evening and having them both accepted - maybe I should be going for the hat-trick!
1. How long does it take to put your white boots on
2. How long does it take to take them off again
3. Do you always take them off?
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btw, just noticed 'Scottish Encouters' has been replaced with 'Sensual Scotland'

and they are charging £75 per couple for a 'munch'!!
As it's the only 'club' scene in Scotland I'd rather hoped it would take off, but the high membership fees are not adding to it for me unless I get lots of recommendations. However I would say that they were very friendly when i emailed them last year

I think those prices are shocking Chris.. £200 for single men ? £75 to meet up or munch as they call it.. :shock:
personally we would meet for a coffee or a drink first.. a lot cheaper than £75...
On another note I didn't realise we were any clubs up in Scotland although I had heard of this site..I thought the laws were so stringent that it wasn't allowed!! rolleyes
please correct me if I'm wrong on that !!
Do these costs cover their license for it being a swinging venue? Sorry but I'm really curious here confused
Clubs down south don't charge theses extreme prices.. not that I'm aware of anyways lol
My thoughts exactly!
None of the excellent clubs I've been to down south charge that and even for an upmarket venue it sounds over the top (especially £75 to meet for a chat!!!) or a massive membership fee plus event charge for soft drinks and finger buffet. ("exclusive country retreat in rural Tayside for you to party, have dinner and meet other quality couples and singles who like yourself all come from professional backgrounds and were security and discretion must be guaranteed at all times.")
In fairness, they are having a go, but one of the probs for a new club is getting it up and running straight away, and I can't see them being very busy at those prices unless the old one was doing extremely well.
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Let's face it, if you were going to charge £75 to meet you for birthday pre-munch drinks, Lucy, you'd scare a few folks off! And most clubs would at least offer a free chat. The munch idea to me seems more about getting together with friends old and new, so I don't really think they're offering the same thing . . . :roll:
Oh well, let's see if it works; if the couple who run it are on SH maybe they'd like to tell us more? (It's not as if there's a lack of interest - the take up for the Glasgow SH Munch shows that). Meanwhile SH (and the odd trip south o' the border) seems good enough for me.
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afaik there is no legal authority in Scotland that would cover it in black and white terms - more a case of 'what law would they use to stop it?' and whether the authorities wanted to. Glasgow, for instance, has been far less tolerant than Edinburgh when it comes to liberal attitudes to sex - I think an erotic festival ran into trouble (Glasgow) whereas there has been a relatively unprudish attitude in Edinburgh, for instance in relation to Festival events and other things. Laws that might be invoked include Shameless Indecency or Lewd and Libidinous Behaviour - all of which are very much open to interpretation. The main reason no-one's got a club going though may be more to do with logistics . . .
Awwwww . . . I never refused to karaoke wi' you sexyscotcarol - I did say I'd mime in the background :violin:
Seriously tho', I've been collecting tips for the karaokelychallenged to bolster me on the day - so far I've got "sing a song they all know so they will join in and drown you out" and "be awful, cos it's more entertainin' than if yer guid"
OK . . . go those . . . more please?
But like xrusman, I'm better value on the dancefloor - so maybe we can make it up to you there wink
btw, just noticed 'Scottish Encouters' has been replaced with 'Sensual Scotland'

and they are charging £75 per couple for a 'munch'!!
Somehow I think the SH Munch'll be better value
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As it's the only 'club' scene in Scotland I'd rather hoped it would take off, but the high membership fees are not adding to it for me unless I get lots of recommendations. However I would say that they were very friendly when i emailed them last year.
SH still the warmest vibe though and apart from Mr & Mrs Sexyscotcarol I haven't met anyone on here - really looking forward to meeting loadsa peeps at the Munch - almost wish it was a two day thing just to have a chance to get round and have a chance to speak to everyone! smile
I think men vary enormously on how much friction they like. Sometimes you can be quite rough, others prefer it exceedingly gentle. For uncircumcised men, the end bit is often particularly sensitive. While some men like gentle biting they are perhaps in the minority - certainly, if I think a pair of teeth is coming anywhere near my penis I can't relax enough to enjoy it!
Varying it a lot probably works for most men. Think of it as a performance (is that why it's called a blow "job"?) and do it impressively.
Then there's classy phrases . . . .
The two nicest I've ever had are
* "May I rest my head in your lap?" (seated in a lift at a posh hotel late at night - I was so slow I literally thought she just meant 'rest' it!! - at least for a few seconds . . .)
and a mindblowingly tasteful: (said in a matter of fact tone before diving under the bedclothes)
*"Excuse me - I have to go and worship"
I agree that porn films are a good intro.
A (bi-lady) friend of mine and her (bi-male) pal had a vigorous end-of-party discussion the other night as to whether men or women are better at blow jobs. Any opinions?
I know we've had 'best songs' to have sex to, and one for best romancin' would be cool, but what about erotic songs?
Madonna has done some great ones, and the recent (uncensored version) of Khia's "My Neck, My Back" was brilliant.
My personal fave is one by the little known artist and feminist icon Karen Finley called "Belgian Waffles".
A few others -
Erotic - Orgasm by Tecnho
Jack Off Jill by Lords of Acid
ABCs of Kinky Sex by Lords of Acid
How Many Licks by Lil Kim
Eat My Pussy Right by Lil Kim
Suck My Pussy by Karen Finley
The Ultimate Sex Track Remix by Happy Hardcore
Then there's a couple of humorous ones:
Hot Wet Tight Bald Pussy by David Allen Coe
Biggun-bras by Ivor Biggun
Anyone know any others?
It's different for different people. Using the style I suggested at least two regular former partners would decline further lubrication. The cool thing in my opinion is to always have some lubricant available - I always carry a sachet in my 'clubbing' bag. In a home situation, massage oil is nice too, but if you combine it with condoms you need the type that aren't affected by non-water-based lubricants (and as Tania points out, oils can sometimes cause irritation). The use of enemas is a bit over the top for many people I know, but you can get glycerin suppositories from the chemist that provide a quick clean out. As with most things, it's generally ladies' choice!
As for the use of condoms, I always have but there are many long-term couples that don't - it's a very personal choice. smile
I'm sure there's much better photographers out there that can add more knowledge than I can. Funnily enough the hardest part (I found) of doing it as a job was handling the 'scene' - knowing who to trust, who to let owe you money. A lot of the contacts were late at night at clubs and things and the work often meant getting up very early to get the best light (or borrow the boutiques clothes early in the morning). the reason I gave it up was I was in Paris, had spent four hours photographing statues in the Louvre, then later roaming town put my camera bag (with three bodies and all my lenses and filters etc) down for a few seconds and forgot to pick it up. Needless to say it wasn;t still there when I got back. Gutted. :cry: btw Carol and I both liked your use of background (silk sheets) on your avatar, Miz_Naughty. We had to make do with a wooden desk in my office - I believe it got a bit hard (the desk) after a bit . . . rotflmao
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Did you copy and paste this or is it your own work?

It's my own - stuff I've used for ages. I used to do photography as a second job (travel and also model portfolios inc occasional nudes). Many of the tips are fairly standard though - most photographers would know them
Silk's recent thread prompted me to try and start this thread - how about we share tips on taking piccies? Judging from the personal pages, there's some damn good photographers on here, so how about helping everyone get up to speed on it?
I'll start it off with some pretty basic ones mostly for nude or semi nude -
Avoid tight clothing few several hours beforehand (knickers and bra-straps can leave marks on the skin)
Practice tensing the muscles before the shot - arching the back or pulling in the buttocks can make the skin look more toned and 'beautiful'.
Try to take the shot so the hips are angled - for instance, the person being photographed is sideways on but turning the upper body towards the camera. Practically anyone who just stands face on to the camera has less aesthetic looking thighs than if they turn at an angle.
For a softer look, use a zoom (softens the relative distance between the end of the nose and the face for instance) or high grain film or a soft filter or smear vaseline (very thinly) on the lens.
High grain film (eg 1400 ASA) is also useful because it means you can shoot indoors without flash. Unless you have professional flash equipment, and (worst) certainly a flash that is attached to the camera, flash will tend to 'bleach' the skin tones.
You can get some very funky effects (PM me for an example or i can post it here if anyone wants) using a slide projector. Take a modern art slide and project it across your subject's nude body to wrap her in silky colours. A dark or black background helps.
Check out your subject's most alluring expressions (easiest to do when just chatting or socialising). They are like fingerprints - everyone's expressions are different. See what stimulates those expressions - a joke? talking about things close to their heart? their dreams? It might be something sexual, but the main rule to make a photo look sexy (rather than just pornographic) is to invest it with emotion.
A simple one to get a 'spontaneous' expression is to say to the subject to look down and away from the camera. When you are ready to release the shutter, ask them to look up and click immediately. The face general has a spontaeous expression until it has had time to 'freeze' on whatever it is looking at. Ot ask them to look at the camera as if they were in love with it, or to 'give it some attitude' (not all subjects willl manage this).
If you have a motor drive or put your stuff through Photoshop, all sorts of things are possible. Carol and I did some recently and I only took them with the intention of creating some modern art pics in photoshop - but both Carol and her husband Fred preferred the 'unaltered' shots! (Carol had one up as an avatar briefly). Some times the result is nice even if not what you expected, so use lots of film and fling the cr*p ones in the bucket teehee!
Maybe peeps know of websites with good tips too?
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A bit of a long shot, but are there any film fanatics in Edinburgh?
The question is in relation to the coming Oscars telecast and whether you are so into movies that, like me, you are in seventh heaven watching four hours of non-stop coverage in the early hours of Sunday night/Monday morning and having next Monday morning off work. I could spend a couple of hours the next day discussing the ballgowns alone (and often do - though sadly mostly by email unless some peeps party the night before with me.)
If you've got Sky (I think it's only on Sky Movies 1 but it might be on other channels) I'm happy to provide the nice things to nibble if you provide the telly. (I don't have Sky bwhaaaaaaa!)
Alternatively, there's a party at the Filmhouse - it's a good bash (PM me for details) which is more fun going to in a group or at least with one other film fanatic.
I have to confess that I suspect both options are less than thrilling if you haven't seen at least a good proportion of the films nominated (would you watch a horse race and not place a bet?) and you'll need a nap first as it goes on till almost 5am.
OK, my idea of a social night includes some weird stuff like watching the Oscars, but there's some lovely peeps on here so if any of you do happen to be interested . . .
I checked the thread Marmalaid mentioned and, although there’s lots of moral support and a few helpful mentions geared to the lady, there’s very little on actual technique. Now it may be too much information for some (in which case stop reading here), but if we can’t discuss such stuff as technique for anal, oral, whatever on here, well where can we??
For a guy, if he’s never done it before, it’s not (in my own experience) all that simple. The first time I tried it, with a partner who was very keen (but as far as I know hadn’t done it before either) we did try to take it slowly, use lots of lube etc, but still didn’t manage it.
While I’m sure there are different things for different people, it’s easier when you’ve done it a few times – or at least one of you has (for the man and the woman), but for starting off there’s a few basic physical things that I would imagine are common to most people.
It’s necessary to have a certain amount of relaxation of muscles around the anal area, otherwise there’s a reflex reaction that will severely limit penetration. The best way I’ve found to start this is with some energetic penis-vaginal action, though it’s not essential. One way (not the only way but a way I’ve found quite effective, especially if the woman has not done it before) is to go to ‘doggie’ position for a while. The man can grip the woman’s buttocks firmly whilst thrusting into her vagina. If you’re not sure whether she is interested in anal, a fingertip straying to that area during missionary position or any other normal groping of the buttocks will often get her to give you a fairly clear signal if the answer is no.
Once in doggie position, the man can change his grip so that his thumbs are near to the woman’s anus and, by squeezing, ease her cheeks apart a little. No sudden diving in to her bum, just working the general area a bit. Then try one thumb, see if the end of the thumb fits or will slide in and about and if she is comfortable with that. After a while, and slightly deeper penetration with one thumb, try the two thumbs, perhaps as an extension of the squeezing of the buttocks so they can be inserted with a natural movement. The man should be able to visualise if his penis, its width, could enter the woman’s anus. If the two thumbs have been able to penetrate fairly deeply, without uncomfortable muscular responses, then it might be time to sensitively see if the woman is ready to have them replaced with the penis (It’s worth being mutually clear at this point – even slipping the penis out of the vagina and asking, ‘Yes’? and waiting for the response, or whatever seems appropriate so that you both know you are agreeing – if the man starts to enter her anally and she pulls away he must acquiesce – it was too early – but crucially it would be bad form to then re-enter the woman vaginally in case germs from the anus were transferred – another reason for making sure the timing is accurate and agreed).
Once, in, all the things mentioned so far apply – very gently at first, an inch or two at most, and only proceed the extra half inches when it’s clear she’s comfortable with the length inserted so far.
Lube may not even be necessary following this method. The anus has some natural (quite clean) moisture of its own, and the penis should be well lubricated (with or without the condom, according to both partners wishes, though with is nice I think). If a bit of extra lube seems appropriate, it is easy and very sensual to add it in the latter stages of vaginal penetration doggie style.
Ok that’s my tuppence – hope it helps someone get into it without the embarrassing learning curve I went through years ago to get there.
I should add – if the woman is experienced in anal penetration she will possibly have a favourite way of accomplishing it – the man simply has to follow directions!
Now . . . who’s going to write about oral . . . ?
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just had a thought..........this will be oor third munch edingburgh and manchester last year
smile wonder what we`ll get up to this one ;) :)

Sound of Music karaoke? mods just have filthy minds lol!
Live in Edinburgh so going out before 10pm is a bit naff (pubs open till 3am so may as well chill at this time of evening!)
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You can try the usuals - reboot if you haven't done so (cures most mousey probs) and if still funny reinstall the driver
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