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Quote by deancannock
now lets read that again....the Syrian Government says the rebels have used chemical gas !!!! Well they would wouldn't they,... when it seems satalite evidence is pointing towards them stocking piling certain weapons, that surprise surprise, look like chemical weapons.
The syrian government has without mercy killed innocent civilians. They have repeatedly driven through areas raising it the ground, killing anyone they see.....including women and children.
I am sure the rebels are not all innocent, but compared to the Syrian governement and its forces, they look bloody angelic !!!
deano, you've got things upside down, inside out so to speak i'm afraid. all anti assad regime propaganda is exactly that. western/nato propaganda to achieve regime change using mercenaries from outside syria, financed by the undemocratic western backed monarchies of the middle east, turkey,israel, france, gb and us trained and armed carrying out horrendous atrocities against the civilian population and blaming the assad regime.
same job in libya.
you obviously do not follow the geostrategic plan.
read brezinski and general wesley clark and all will be revealed. regards
this and every selected government serves the interests of the rich and powerful. if voting could change that it would be illegal. ask the greeks, irish, spanish, portugese, hugarians, poles, latvians, lithuanians, italians or even our students who were pronised one thing by the liberals pre election and got something else after.
i'm sick and tired of people in the bottom 98% attacking each other (simple divide and rule) when in your face is theft, fraud, and corruption at the top.
it's taking too long for people to wake up to the headlies, presstitution and propaganda that enslaves us all.
bankers, hedge funds and bond holders have been lavished with 250 billion plus of liability to the taxpayer at interest for making bad bets/gambling losses and the poorest of society have to have austerity to pay for it and no one is charged ?
they will cut benefits (entitlements to the less well off) and increase entitlements/subsidies/benefits in kind/backroom deals to the rich.
they will close hospitals, schools, factories and shops and at the same time tell you that we are coming out of a double dip recession and unemployment is falling.
trust your senses. listen, look, smell and feel the hardship of your peers.
every m.p. of whatever colour of skirt wears the same colour knickers. they are all feathering their own nests and doing their masters bidding and that aint you or me.
Quote by foxylady2209

Sadly union leaders and leaderships often end up resembling a corporate leadership team rather than the workers they are supposed to represent.
Read your Animal Farm biggrin

Indeed - most people have had their views on Trade Unions informed by works of fiction rather than by fact
Speak for yourself - mine is based on experience by me and mine.
Can you quote an example?
Can't be arsed. This is a sex site not the Socialist is the current affairs section of the forum for political and controvertial subjects including those from "the freedom association" "mein kampf" the guardian,the telegraph, marxist weekly, socialist worker or any other veiw i thought. tee-em-aitch is entitled to his veiw socialist/capitalist/communist/feudalist/anarchist/idealist or materialist without such a remark as "this is a sex site not socialist worker"!
the only bank to be nationalised in the last 20 years was bearings for 1 pound with enormous debts paid by the taxpayer. no bank has been nationalised in the last five years including northern rock, their liabilities have been socialised/nationalised. state/taxpayer ownership is politician and media spin.
when britain had nationalised industries, they were nationalised with taxpayer compensation to industries that would have gone bankrupt in private ownership and there respective shareholders would have recieved nothing. they were nationalised and run as milking houses in the interests of private capital by the same captains of industry.
the privately owned train and bus services in britain recieve more in subsidies even taking account of inflation than the previously nationalised services did.
you pay more taxes direct and indirect than you ever did for less than you ever recieved since 1947.
keep paying your taxes till you have nothing left and keep the top 2% in the lifestyle they are accustomed to. keep paying for wars and derivitives till you drop and do not protest. do not question the explainations from your masters and all will be well.
blame your neighbour and the unions. blame the immigrants and foreigners. blame the greeks, the irish, the italians, the spanish, the portugese, all the lazy phuckers and people on benefits and keep watching football and x factor. but i do talk crap
the "free syrian army" are nothing more than nato/american/british trained and financed death squads transported into syria by american and british undemocratic monarchistic puppet regimes. qatar, saudi arabia et all. their job is to terrorise the syrian people and destabilise the syrian state as a precursor to installing a puppet regime and then attack iran.
strange how some people believe politicians and the media that brought them "weapons of mass destruction" and "osama is hidding in tora bora" "45 minuets" etc lies and bullshit to smash countries and occupy huge swathes of the middle east not to mention the lives lost.
beiging and moscow have said no interference in the sovereignty of the nation state. you fooled us with your "no fly zone over libya" we wont be fooled again.
if armed gangs roamed the streets of london demanding regime change, how would your m.p.'s react ? "lets talk" not on your nellie.
funny how the media cry's democracy for syria but remains silent on saudi arabia, baharain, qatar, the emirates etc but screams for pussy riot. phuking hypocracy, lies and bullshit.
syria is being attacked by the west as the next domino in washington and londons hegemonic plan to rule the world and moscow and beiging know that they are down the line.
if you want humanity to disapear from the planet, keep believing the lies, fabrications and bullshit.
if you need some kind of confirmation of this process since the declaration of the endless war on terror after 9/11, you must have been asleep for 10 years.
the employment crisis facing the lazy british worker is caused by migrant economic refugees.
the employment crisis facing the lazy tax avoiding greeks is caused by migrant economic refugees
the employment crisis facing the siesta driven lazy spanish is caused by migrant economic refugees
the employment crisis facing the short working week french is caused by migrant economic refugees
the employment crisis facing........
banker sniggers ha ha ha ha ha
are you sure it's them johnny foreigners ?
Quote by GnV

snips"
if anyone of you commited fraud or theft, you would be prosecuted if caught. bankers commit fraud and theft on a grand scale, destroying the lives of billions of people and apart from bernie madeoffwithit (small time comparatively) no one gets arrested.
this is the mother of all crisies that is only just begining and you aint seen nufin yet.
lets hope i'm wrong .

the only reason there has been no charges or arrests is because a complaint to the police has not yet been made rolleyes
should you phone the city of London police and report a fraud they then have to investigate it........ simples !! wink
other than that the police are free to turn a blind eye as such dunno
But I thought the SFO have been asked to investigate...
i think it was more of a
"could you just stick ya nose in show ya face but whatever you do dont dig any shit up "
than
"a crime has been commited i want the bastards nailed " :dunno:
Actually Rob, you are probably right. The SFO's record of success isn't exactly exemplary.
have they had any success then G :dunno:
on a lighter note on my way over to france today so get v to put the kettle on :wink:
Aperos are de rigueur in the land of the frog Rob. Charentais style. Pineau ou Ricard?should that be pernod or ricard....je ponce
Quote by starlightcouple
Joking how? That people have finally clued into the fact that their priveleges ain't so valuable all of a sudden now they're the one's being kicked, as opposed to being the ones doing the kicking? Not sure I fully understand your lack of understanding Star. Please expand.

Quote by Rob
finally getting what dunno
i think its more about moving on and accepting that's the way things are.
most have the very same opportunity in life to get off their arse and make a difference to their own lives wink

no real need to expand on what rob has wrote to be honest neil, but just as a little aside,,,,
i read the DM and how am i "getting it " exactly? :doh:
the trouble is neil you and others like you have been brainwashed into believing that it is the rights fault for everything that is wrong in life. it was your beloved socialist party that has run this country into the ground, and whilst the middle classes are now " finally getting it" as you put it, it will be the poorest that will be " getting it " even more now than they were.
you carry on believing those strange beliefs that you have neil, as long as you believe them, then all is good in the world. now excuse me as i am off to get my dose of DM. flipathere has never been a socialist government in britain nor could there have been. to have been so at anytime, the capitalist state would have to have been overthrown and dismantled. the ruling class/elite would not hand over power peacefully by a democratic election. if that was possible it would be illegal. everyone is brainwashed to a degree, some more than others.
the previous government of bliar, brown and others introduced the conservative policy of p.f.i. that is strangling our public services, privatised air traffic control and the british airports authority, introduced privatisation of schools (academy's) and some roads and bridges. brown began the "independance" of the m.p.c. of the quasi private bank of england with soley private bankers to set monetary policy.
the previous govt bankrolled the private losses of of the private shareholders of northern rock and others with the commitment of present and future tax revenue.
the previous govt was bank and shareholder friendly at the expense of the taxpayer/citizenry of the u.k.
"new labour" owed its election victories to the city of london for campaign funds and murdoch's sun for propaganda. strange bedfellows.
this crisis is not the fault of the money changers puppets who seek to enrich themselves at your expense serving their masters, but of the men and families "behind the curtain" al la "yellow brick road".
it is not caused by immigration, johnny foreigner, greeks, spanish, italians, irish, portugese, lazy phuckers, lefties, righties, doleites or people on welfare. it was not caused by blackies, whities, brownies, afghanistanbananistan, pakistan, iraq, libya, or syria.
if anyone of you commited fraud or theft, you would be prosecuted if caught. bankers commit fraud and theft on a grand scale, destroying the lives of billions of people and apart from bernie madeoffwithit (small time comparatively) no one gets arrested.
this is the mother of all crisies that is only just begining and you aint seen nufin yet.
lets hope i'm wrong and post a load of conspiracy crap i get from "trolling" conspiracy websites as i am labelled with. lets hope that the latest 50 billion of credit created by the central bank (b.o.e.) now 375+ billion goes into general circulation instead of onto insolvent bank balance sheets (charged to the taxpayer at interest) to speculate with no risk on the stockmarket keeping commodities, energy and metals artificially high while demand/consumption is falling.
lets hope that by cuts and austerity, increased taxation, that somewhere down the road it will all work out and things will get better. that the phuckers who got us into this mess have a plan to get us out of it.
lets hope that the phuckers who keep lying to us are now telling us the truth ? regards. not aimed at anyone.
nato of which turkey is a member has been arming the rebels of the "free syrian army" for over 12 nmonths. they have training camps in south east turkey where cia operatives distribute arms and training. the west "nato" after libya is continually harassing syria politically, economically and militarily. this probing of syria's airspace did not occur in international airspace and could be ww111's gulf of tonkin incident. i hope not.
no country will be leaving the euro. the sovereign debts of ireland, greece, portugal, spain and italy came from private banks not the citizenry. the debts were transfered from the banks by puppet governments of the banks to the respective populations (tax payers) just like here. the inter-relationship of all the banks and central banks is the source of systemic contagion and not the laziness or tax evasiveness of the people.
leaving the euro is a ruse to pressurise electorate's to believe that by voting against austerity the outcome will be worse.
the international speculators and banks are after germany's soveriegn wealth fund and they need germany to backstop, underwrite, all code for 'pay the debt' thats a total fraud anyway.
mercedes, bosch and seimens will be very happy with the fear of unemployment instilled in the minds of germans who will have to pay with austerity and will work harder for less while the falling value euro makes bmw's cheaper in india, china and russia.
if any debtor nation is thrown out of the euro, their creditors will not get paid but, if they remain in, germany will loose it's gold in new york (if it's still there).
the fake troll.
Quote by GnV
First test for French President François Holland today as France votes in the first round of the Legislatives - to elect a new Parliament. The current mix puts the Socialists with fewer seats than they require with the risk that Holland will not be able to make the changes he wants but early indications are that the PS will tip the balance of power in their favour.
This might have been helped of course by the President announcing that the UMP austerity proposal announced by outgoing President Sarkozy to increase retirement age to 62 has been reversed.
So far so good.
With 4 French soldiers killed in Afghanistan yesterday, will this strengthen his resolve to withdraw French troops by the end of this year? I somehow think it will.
hollonde has no resolve to withdraw french troops from afghanistan GnV and i somehow i think he wont. reverse the retirement age decision ? i dont believe that either. give him and the legislature a few weeks and lets see. they will have an excellent reason like bailing out greece, italy and spain and it will sound very reasonable but he wont do either. "same as the old boss". if voting could change anything it would be illegal. regards
Quote by Max777
It's no wonder that the general populace is totally disenchanted (to put it mildly) with politics in the UK. There is very little difference between any of the parties and fewer and fewer MPs have any real life experience, being career politicians.
We need to see some long term policies, not the short term vote winning policies usually introduced by the Government of the day and we also need to get away from the attritional form of opposition and have all political parties working together for the benefit of the country.
And pigs may fly!

they do implement long term policies. when elected, the policies remain the same. protect the rich, impoverish the rest of us and blame us for them getting it wrong.
the attrition of political opposition is pure artiface and theatre to decieve the populace while they serve the sole interests of the economically most dominant 2%.
as g n v says.....gold is the money of kings, silver....
regards, the flying pig observing, con spiracy film buff fake.
Quote by bayboy1664
Does anyone actually think there is any difference whatsoever between any of the main political parties?
yep, i do. different lyrics same tune
Quote by starlightcouple
i wonder what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are ? for that matter add the cost of the n.h.s. and all pensions. i think that you will find that the total pales into insignificance to the bailout of the banks

Are you sure of these facts Gulson, or are you just making them again?
These are the actual figures
Total costs 2013
Pensions 137 bn
Health care 125 bn
Welfare 111 bn
Total £373 bn
Total bailout to banks for loans and shares £124 bn
well i thought that comment from gulson was a bit odd to be honest, and am glad you came to the rescue with some FACTS max. mr notts above took the words out of my mouth.
over to you mr gulson to try and explain your comment and the actual facts of the lets look at these figures in close up shall we.
the banks bailout figure is £325 billion and rising
pensions excluding privately funded £137,ooo,ooo,ooo ? that's how much for each person drawing state funded pensions ?
welfare benefits i take it £111,000,000,000 ? that's how much for each person on welfare (and those employed for providing it) ?
health care provided by the state £125,000,000,000 ? now lets look and see how much goes on p.f.i., pharmacuticals, rents, capital goods and equiptment. all these figures quoted are not spent on the general populus and you dont need to be an accountant to work out that they cannot be true.
how many people are in reciept of the state pension and state funded civil servant pensions ? 10 million ? 20 million ? a billion is a thousand million, so how much do they get each on average from 137,000,000,000 ?
i wonder what the total cost of unemployment and disability benefits are ? for that matter add the cost of the n.h.s. and all pensions. i think that you will find that the total pales into insignificance to the bailout of the banks but it's all the fault of your next door neighbour or the immigrants. not to mention the necessary predatory wars to steal natural resources in the name of spreading democracy or humanitarianisn.
the greeks are not tax avoiding lazy phuckers. their puppet government sold out to goldman sachs with creative accounting to join the euro with the full knowledge of the rest of the e.u. bankers and politicians before they joined as did many others.
austerity (for the too small to save) reduces cash in circulation. this in turn reduces demand and therefore employment. lenders not lending as much as is taken back in interest reduces cash in circulation further depressing demand (production and employment).
statistics claiming a fall in unemployment at this time is pure propaganda to keep you in hope and in a trance just like x factor and soaps, it's all make believe.
oh there's global warming caused by mans activity, we gotta reduce our carbon footprint and pay carbon tax. oh no, we gotta avian/swine flu pandemic. we gotta stay indoors and buy loadsa drugs bollox. handy timing for big pharma, they gotta antidote bullshit.
osama bin liner blew up the towers and he's in afghanistan. quick, lets bomb the bastards.
saddam got weapons of mass destruction and can hit cyprus in 45min. quick, lets bomb the bastards.
gaddaffi is bombin his own and handin out viagra. quick, lets bomb the bastard.
assad is shootin his own. quick, lets bomb the bastards.
the iranians gettin nuclear power whilst surrounded by countries with nukes. quick, lets bomb the bastards.......
so, them poor phuckers on sickness benefit, unemployment benefit, disability benefit and any other kind of welfare are draining the system from us hard workin tax payers. lets bomb the bastards and while we are at it, those public sector lazy phuckers on high pensions (that they pay an increased contribution to), lets bomb them phuckers too, that will get the country back on it's feet.
austerity for whom ? there is no austerity for bankers. no austerity for c.e.o.'s, no austerity for m.p.'s no austerity for royalty ? no alternative ? yes there is. you who created the problem, keep the phucker instead of passing it on to us. you who made bad bets keep the returns or lack of and you suffer austerity. the losses of banks and financial institutions have been passed on to us the taxpayers worldwide by salivating excuses for elected representatives of the people. you've got money for wars to annex and steal killing hundreds of thousands but none for bread.
repudiate the debt, it was created by fraud !
i'm paying more in tax and i want it spending on services and infrastructure not wars of agression and annexation to steal natural resources and still charge me a litre for fuel ! i dont want to send western democracy (joke) and freedom to bomb foreign lands and end up in poverty.
Quote by Trevaunance
Example -
1. The WAR on Terror ......
When did you last buy a passport and what justified a 283% increase in the cost ?

The last time I renewed my passport it was given to me courtesy of HM government as I was about to deploy at six days notice for my 14th and final operational tour. Amazing isn't it that even troops deploying to the Front have to have an up to date passport, not just civilians that want to go on holiday.
But, I remain fixed to my last point, your question was simple:
Quote by Robert400andKay
where would all that extra money that they have conned out of all of us now be got from?

So your asking if the government scrapped all the taxes currently associated with climate change, where would they get the money from too replace it?
The answer is simple. If you remove a tax you replace it with another.
Declaring a War on terror doesn't suddenly make a large cache of £20 notes you can ski down! It is an expenditure.
So therefore the answer to your question is... drum roll please... taxes, just differnt ones to what we have today!
You do not get money from War in the modern era, you do however spend money on spend money on war and arms manufacturers and suppliers recieve money. very profitable too. in fact the permanent war on terror having replaced the cold war is very very profitable for some especially if you can steal peoples natural resources as well.
unaccommadating and maintaining a dignified . . . .
attack and invade afghanistan for refusing to give up osama bin laden. bomb tora bora, osama is hiding there....and he masterminded 9/11.....
attack and invade iraq, they have weapons of mass destruction and missiles that can reach cyprus in 45 minuets....after 12 years of sanctions, they could'nt feed themselves....oh, we gotta bring them democracy....bomb pakistan and the border areas, their harboring afghani al quaeder....especially at weddings.....bomb insurgents in yemen....no fly zone over libya to protect civilians and bomb the place back to the dark age....100,000 chinese construction workers evacuated from libya...black libyans massacrade by nato backed rebels (unarmed peaceful protesters).....syrian government forces have killed 11,000 peaceful protesters and the poor protestors flee to turkey and the friends of syria (america, turkey, britain, france and no end of despotic un democratic western controlled arab states) want to impose safe havens and corridors in the sovereign state of syria on humanitarian grounds. just like libya.
mmmm, in my opinion without any corroberating evidence other than what has actually taken place, inline perfectly with previously documented foreign policy documents and objectives, i think this is all a grand plan that has nothing to do with justice, truth or humanitarianism. maintaining a dignified silence. refusing to provide references to propaganda or conspiracy websites and remaining contraversial. guls
oh, and piss on dead afghani's, set dogs on naked iraqi's in abu graeb, water board your enemies and sodomise gadaffi. excellent humanitarianism and in the words of hiliary "we came, he died, we conquered"
Quote by Max777
he we know about.
many others that we dont.

yes, i would like to know who they are too. i certainly do not believe he acted alone.
Of course you don't!!
I notice you didn't answer my questions in the Nuclear War next week thread. Quel surprise!!
I've revised my opinion of you......you're not a troll, you're a fake!what are you ?
Someone that can recognise a fake!your also very intelligent max. i wish i could be like you but i'm a fake, i'm a weirdo, what am i doing here, i dont belong here.
funny, i dont believe i have ever taken the initiative in slagging you off for anything you have posted on here although in defending myself from one of your personal attack's i may have. if i have i apologise but please keep up the good work posting non swinging controversial issue's or accepted norms. i prefer political and controversial as is the title of this section myself.
thank you for raising questions regarding my credentials by calling me a troll previously and now a fake. your attacks bring attention to my posts and i thank you for that. regards.
Quote by Max777
he we know about.
many others that we dont.

yes, i would like to know who they are too. i certainly do not believe he acted alone.
Of course you don't!!
I notice you didn't answer my questions in the Nuclear War next week thread. Quel surprise!!
I've revised my opinion of you......you're not a troll, you're a fake!what are you ?
Quote by tyracer
he we know about.
many others that we dont.

yes, i would like to know who they are too. i certainly do not believe he acted alone.
Quote by foxylady2209
all that has taken place militarily in the world is laid out chronologically from 2000 to the present day and particularily under the cover of "the war on a percieved enemy" "the war on terror". this book was first published in 1997 and i first read it in 1999.

That's bloody clever - I now know who you are and I claim my 10 shillings. You are, in fact, Dr Who.
How else could you read about all the events from 2000 to the present day in a book that was written in 1997?
:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
perhaps 4 star general wesley clark is doctor who. he predicted the overthrow of all the regimes affected by the "arab spring" in 2004 based on inside knowlege and discussion with paul wolferfitz. read "policy for the new american century" "pnac report" first published in 1999 based on brzezinski's and kissinger's foreign policy and state department policy documents. not conspiracy theorem. FACT.
Quote by Max777
the west and its proxy (israel) will not attack iran until it has overturned/changed the regime in syria. take a step back and look at the geostrategic situation from a solely western corporate point of veiw.
to stop future developement of the brics you must control africa and eurasia's resourses and prevent trade with the brics and maintain preponderance. read kissinger and bzrezinski and you will understand more clearly the events unfolding. arab spring, libya, syria, somalia, sudan, iran, after having experienced osama to get afghanistan, weapons of mass destruction to get iraq, protection of civilians and humanitarianism to flatten libya and same for syria.
the western leaders dont give a phuck about protecting civilians abroad or at home. they care about profit and war makes plenty of that for some.
western special forces are the syrian free army and paid mercenaries and ciaquader.
the libyan rebels are paid mercenaries, western special forces, al ciaquader and traitors from the previous regime filling their own pockets while most libyans now struggle to feed themselves while the oil flows out for free. nato reparations.
the taliban (afghanis) are likely patriots fighting occupation. al quaeder means data base in arabic. it is the data base of the mujahadeen fighters, recruited, armed, trained and financed by the c.i.a. as a policy of zibignew bzrezinski to expel the soviets out of afghanistan.
am i so old and you so young that these events have taken place in my lifetime and not yours. am i mistaken in joining up the dots ?
how can intelligent human beings with the ability to operate keyboards not see what is taking place unless literally, they were born yesterday and have no foreknowledge ? if you wish to prevent thermo nuclear catastrophe, you must first wise up. by becoming aware to these machinations, the politicians take fright of your awareness. while you swallow the lies and bullshit, they do more of the same. wake up.

They would have to be a damn site more than just intelligent if they were able to operate keyboards and had literally been born yesterday!!!
Maybe it's because the rest of us intelligent human beings with the ability to operate keyboards posses sufficient intelligence not to believe all the crap written on conspiracy book i hold in my hands is a strange conspiracy website ?
i refer you to "the grand chessboard" written by zbigniew brzezinski with the sub reference on the front cover "american primacy and it's geostrategic imperatives". all that has taken place militarily in the world is laid out chronologically from 2000 to the present day and particularily under the cover of "the war on a percieved enemy" "the war on terror". this book was first published in 1997 and i first read it in 1999.
if "conspiracy" websites offer answers that concur with the facts laid out in this book then maybe the conspiracists have read it also. you want con spiracy, i give you "weapons of mass destruction", "iraq could hit british bases in cyprus within 45 minuets" "mohammed atta's green saudi passport found at ground zero" - f.b.i. "gadaffi is handing out viagra to troops for gang as a punishment" "no fly zone" = bombardment and destruction of infrastructure. but the oil is now flowing free and the libyans have nothing after having the highest standard of living in africa.
osama bin laden captured in pakistan in a house with his wife sheilding him but he was captured, killed and his body dumped in the sea - bollox. al quaeder carrying out terrorism in libya, somalia, yemen, sudan, egypt, pakistan and now syria - bollox, it's all in the plan and iran will be next.
to maintain american primacy and prevent the chinese, the russians, the indians and all the rest of the developing world from being able to challenge america's primacy and subjugate the rest of the world as insignificant mini states.
if you really want to make me a con spiracy theorist for gods sake dont read henry kissenger on "food as a weapon" or "depopulation of the third world".
thank you max for sharpening me.
the west and its proxy (israel) will not attack iran until it has overturned/changed the regime in syria. take a step back and look at the geostrategic situation from a solely western corporate point of veiw.
to stop future developement of the brics you must control africa and eurasia's resourses and prevent trade with the brics and maintain preponderance. read kissinger and bzrezinski and you will understand more clearly the events unfolding. arab spring, libya, syria, somalia, sudan, iran, after having experienced osama to get afghanistan, weapons of mass destruction to get iraq, protection of civilians and humanitarianism to flatten libya and same for syria.
the western leaders dont give a phuck about protecting civilians abroad or at home. they care about profit and war makes plenty of that for some.
western special forces are the syrian free army and paid mercenaries and ciaquader.
the libyan rebels are paid mercenaries, western special forces, al ciaquader and traitors from the previous regime filling their own pockets while most libyans now struggle to feed themselves while the oil flows out for free. nato reparations.
the taliban (afghanis) are likely patriots fighting occupation. al quaeder means data base in arabic. it is the data base of the mujahadeen fighters, recruited, armed, trained and financed by the c.i.a. as a policy of zibignew bzrezinski to expel the soviets out of afghanistan.
am i so old and you so young that these events have taken place in my lifetime and not yours. am i mistaken in joining up the dots ?
how can intelligent human beings with the ability to operate keyboards not see what is taking place unless literally, they were born yesterday and have no foreknowledge ?
if you wish to prevent thermo nuclear catastrophe, you must first wise up. by becoming aware to these machinations, the politicians take fright of your awareness. while you swallow the lies and bullshit, they do more of the same. wake up.
Quote by starlightcouple
According to popular world opinion the bunkers that Israel want to take out are only those located in remote desert places, these house Irans Nuclear projects, the alledged building of nuclear missiles, Heavy water, plutonium storage facilities etc. Your right Iran will have many military bunkers and probably in populated areas but Israel is only (at the moment) planning to take out the nuclear facilities, they may still do this with conventional weapons if they think they can achieve thier objective but what can you say when a Nation like Iran says it is going to wipe out your own Nation at it's first available opportunity, I suppose it is hardly surprising that Israel is planning a pre-emptive strike.

when you say world opinion mids, who are you talking about. have you got any links to support this " world opinion ", or is this opinion based on what the americans believe?
show me some links mids and then peeple on here can make there own minds up as to the validity of your claim.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Of course the rest of the world is trying to negotiate with both sides to prevent this happening but I really cannot see Iran giving up it's plans to become a nuclear power.

the rest of the world is exactly who mids?
no iran will not give up its right to become a nuclear power. why is it that the super powers who btw do have nuclear power, think they are the worlds police as in who they deem can have that nuclear power? for me i am just as worried about pakistan and they do have nuclear power. this same country who was hiding the worlds most wanted man in bin bag laden. the man who destroyed the twin towers in america heartlands. still pakistan harboured this man. I as i say am just as worried about this other unstable land that is your evidence of pakistan harbouring osama bin liner the sandal i saw floating in the gulf after his body was dumped at sea after his capture ? that story was total and utter nonesense.
osama bin laden was a cia asset up until his death in or around 2001. he had absolutely no connection with the 9/11 atrocities. that was done by 16 saudi's, 1 kuwati and a syrian. the f.b.i. know this because they found the green saudi passport of the lead highjacker at ground zero in perfect condition. see 9/11 commission report. there is absolutly no evidence connecting osama bin laden with 9/11 and no f.b.i. claim to that effect.
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Just incase you wonder what Gulson is on about

Sorry Blue....but a long way to go, to see any green shoots yet !!!

No need to be sorry dunno
I have to say though, not every one agrees.
Britain is back in recession, scream the headlines, it's the dreaded double-dip.
At least, according to the OECD, an international club of rich nations (including the UK).
The OECD is a well respected organisation and the estimates for economic growth it published today should be taken seriously.
But they may be premature.
Chancellor George Osborne takes a more sanguine view, pointing out that the independent Office for Budgetary Responsibility (OBR) is expecting 0.3 per cent growth in the first three months of this year.
In fact, I've been calling around a number of economists in the City and all of them think the OECD is too pessimistic.
The consensus (an average of City economists' own forecasts) is bang in line with the OBR.
So why the difference?
It may be because the OECD estimate was made before recent, more positive data emerged.
Today, for example the we learned the service sector (shops, banks, hotels and so on), which makes up about three quarters of the economy, grew 0.2 per cent in January, a modest start to the year but one which makes a contraction unlikely.

Still, as Ian Stewart, chief economist at Deloitte, says:
"the detail of what happens in the first quarter is less important than the path of growth over the whole year. With more public spending cuts to come and a financial system that's not working properly the recovery may be ... slow, erratic and bumpy."


I some times feel thats lots of people enjoy all the doom and gloom, I prefer to look on the bright side :thumbup:try to rely more on your senses blue and not what your being told in the media. take a look down the high street and in your own imediate enviroment (family and friends) and listen and look. reality is all around you.
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With car manufacturing and exports on the up, could this be a good sign for the future. Things must surely be looking up lol
Landrover this week, Tata Motors-owned Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) is adding 1,000 jobs at its Freelander and Evoque factory at Halewood, near Liverpool in England.
The new posts will take the headcount at Halewood to almost 4,500 – treble the number employed there three years ago

and Nissan last week, Nissan to create 2,000 new jobs by building compact car in Sunderland
Vince Cable says decision – which will boost area hit by cuts and recession – 'a vote of confidence in UK manufacturing
blue, tell the o.e.c.d. that they have miscalculated will you.