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gulsonroad30664
12 hours ago
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the totally one sided anti-libyan/iranian regime propaganda we have been subjected to for many years and no anti, undemocratic egyptian, saudi, bahraini, emirati, yemini, algerian, tunisian, morrocan, omani propaganda, means there are pliant regimes and non pliant regimes to western control.
the capture of british "special forces" in libya and their release for escape aboard the hms cumberland, by the so called rebels tells all the arabs who's who in the libyan struggle. the so called rag tag of rebels able to push back a regular army is astonishing to say the least, until of coarse you now know that they are being led, advised and directed by special forces who have been there a while no doubt.
the libyan people, diverted by social networking sites like google, facebook and twitter propagating in the interests of "big oil" which was unceromoniously thrown out of libya 40 years ago and the oil industry nationalised, will find themselves starving in the desert if the western backed, financed, guided and led rebelion is sucessful in installing a pliant pro western "big oil" administration like in iraq. this is no defence or apology for the likes of ghadaffi or hussein but for the libyans and iraqi's, the worst is yet to come. whilst oil is not yet at it's heights of $148 a barrel of 20 months ago, fuel pices are at £1-30 a litre and £10 a gallon predicted shortly, conflicts with blaming trouble in the middle east being the reason. the social upheavals in the middle east are as a result of the deliberate inflationary policy of montising debt. this causes, along with cheap money speculation, food prices to soar worldwide and brings desperation for those living on the edge.
it should be noted here, there are/were no people starving in libya or iran for if there were, it would have been all over the western news media. but if the rebels in either country are sucessful, there certainly will be.
now i ask the fudamental question. in whose interests does all this chaos serve ?
the capture of british "special forces" in libya and their release for escape aboard the hms cumberland, by the so called rebels tells all the arabs who's who in the libyan struggle. the so called rag tag of rebels able to push back a regular army is astonishing to say the least, until of coarse you now know that they are being led, advised and directed by special forces who have been there a while no doubt.
the libyan people, diverted by social networking sites like google, facebook and twitter propagating in the interests of "big oil" which was unceromoniously thrown out of libya 40 years ago and the oil industry nationalised, will find themselves starving in the desert if the western backed, financed, guided and led rebelion is sucessful in installing a pliant pro western "big oil" administration like in iraq. this is no defence or apology for the likes of ghadaffi or hussein but for the libyans and iraqi's, the worst is yet to come. whilst oil is not yet at it's heights of $148 a barrel of 20 months ago, fuel pices are at £1-30 a litre and £10 a gallon predicted shortly, conflicts with blaming trouble in the middle east being the reason. the social upheavals in the middle east are as a result of the deliberate inflationary policy of montising debt. this causes, along with cheap money speculation, food prices to soar worldwide and brings desperation for those living on the edge.
it should be noted here, there are/were no people starving in libya or iran for if there were, it would have been all over the western news media. but if the rebels in either country are sucessful, there certainly will be.
now i ask the fudamental question. in whose interests does all this chaos serve ?
Quote by Ceasar103
beware the machinations of brzezinski and kissinger on the grand chessboard.
mubarak like sadat before him, came from the military. mubarak, supported by billions in american foreign aid (many billions of which he will have syphoned off), maintained the regime of secret police, torture, american rendition sites and torture chambers, total control of the press and media and suppression of 80 million egyptians for thirty years.
in that 30 years he had appointed all of the members of the government and all of the present members of "THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE EGYPTIAN ARMED FORCES" and all members of the police and interior security forces leaders.
temporarily, the peoples uprising over food and energy prices has been hijacked and the trust of the people in the army (it's leadership) is gravely misplaced. the army generals vacillated (appeared to) because they could not trust that their conscripts (from the poorest classes) could be depended on to open fire on the people and not turn against them.
the crisis manifested itself with the latest terms of i.m.f. loans to withdraw food and fuel sudsidies against the economic conditions of inflation of food and oil prices on a population living at subsistance levels. hence the same crisies errupting all over the planet. while central banks continue to increase the money supplies and lend at next to zero rates to banking and financial institutions to maintain their solvency, they in turn play the casino by speculation, enegy and commodity prices rise, but little or non permeates through to the worlds population. savings deminish in value, wages buy less and asset classes like property falls.
i smell the hands of brzezinski, kissinger and soros and you aint seen nuthin yet.
i sat here reading the forum posts on the ever changing picture in the middle-east and was going to write down my thoughts till i read this one,almost everything thats been running through my mind since this started is summed up question keep asking myself though is...what are the americans up to this time?what there up to is creating chaos that will on the one hand drive up the price of oil, which wall street and the banks have a vested interest in, so does the american government by inflating away their debt and on the other, give israel a cover for a suprise attack on irans nuclear facilities (possibly/probably).
the ruling elite of the planet can then offer their solution to the chaos they created. one world currency and one world government.
Quote by Mr-Powersscoff powers and keep paying more for enegy utilities and fuel until you have to decide between food on the table or paying bills. you are being robbed along with everyone else but you dont know it....yet, but you will in the end.
So if people stop watching Eastenders and Stictly come Dancing, petrol prices will drop?Cool i can cope with that, but i draw the line at Corrie.
Quote by deancannock
third paragraph down..i have copied and pasted below
"And he implied that the Bank would thwart attempts by wage-setters to keep up with the above-target price rises."
tell me please how he can tell a private business how to do anything !!!
Not that many would listen even if he advised.....seems his plan to keep inflation down, is blown out of the water, by higher VAT, higher oil prices, and higher electricity and gas prices. As a business, if your overheads go up, in such a way, you either cut your margins, which companies have been doing now for past few years anyway, or you put up prices.....and fuel more up deano
beware the machinations of brzezinski and kissinger on the grand chessboard.
mubarak like sadat before him, came from the military. mubarak, supported by billions in american foreign aid (many billions of which he will have syphoned off), maintained the regime of secret police, torture, american rendition sites and torture chambers, total control of the press and media and suppression of 80 million egyptians for thirty years.
in that 30 years he had appointed all of the members of the government and all of the present members of "THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE EGYPTIAN ARMED FORCES" and all members of the police and interior security forces leaders.
temporarily, the peoples uprising over food and energy prices has been hijacked and the trust of the people in the army (it's leadership) is gravely misplaced. the army generals vacillated (appeared to) because they could not trust that their conscripts (from the poorest classes) could be depended on to open fire on the people and not turn against them.
the crisis manifested itself with the latest terms of i.m.f. loans to withdraw food and fuel sudsidies against the economic conditions of inflation of food and oil prices on a population living at subsistance levels. hence the same crisies errupting all over the planet. while central banks continue to increase the money supplies and lend at next to zero rates to banking and financial institutions to maintain their solvency, they in turn play the casino by speculation, enegy and commodity prices rise, but little or non permeates through to the worlds population. savings deminish in value, wages buy less and asset classes like property falls.
i smell the hands of brzezinski, kissinger and soros and you aint seen nuthin yet.
mubarak like sadat before him, came from the military. mubarak, supported by billions in american foreign aid (many billions of which he will have syphoned off), maintained the regime of secret police, torture, american rendition sites and torture chambers, total control of the press and media and suppression of 80 million egyptians for thirty years.
in that 30 years he had appointed all of the members of the government and all of the present members of "THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE EGYPTIAN ARMED FORCES" and all members of the police and interior security forces leaders.
temporarily, the peoples uprising over food and energy prices has been hijacked and the trust of the people in the army (it's leadership) is gravely misplaced. the army generals vacillated (appeared to) because they could not trust that their conscripts (from the poorest classes) could be depended on to open fire on the people and not turn against them.
the crisis manifested itself with the latest terms of i.m.f. loans to withdraw food and fuel sudsidies against the economic conditions of inflation of food and oil prices on a population living at subsistance levels. hence the same crisies errupting all over the planet. while central banks continue to increase the money supplies and lend at next to zero rates to banking and financial institutions to maintain their solvency, they in turn play the casino by speculation, enegy and commodity prices rise, but little or non permeates through to the worlds population. savings deminish in value, wages buy less and asset classes like property falls.
i smell the hands of brzezinski, kissinger and soros and you aint seen nuthin yet.
Quote by foxylady2209
why the phuck would anyone care about school uniforms ?
the phukin school is gonna close ! ! !
Seriously - sod off and take your useless rants back to the finance/political threads. And it's FUCK not phuck. If you think it's necessary to write it - at least spell it miss and i will do those hundred lines...."i must not have an opinion on school uniforms and schools closing" by tomorrow miss.
Quote by Mr-Powers
the price of oil at a hundred dollars a barrel is not based on supply/demand pricing at present. the demand/consumption of oil is presently below supply and the current high price is nearly 50% higher than it would be because of speculation from cheaply available money from central banks. this money/credit which is available at .5 or zero % is being invested in energies and comodities driving fuel and food higher. these energy and commodity assets are safer than paper but this bubble will also burst after a spike.
the reactions of the tunisians, egyptians, yemeni's, jordanians, et all, of peoples living on very low wages and with high unemployment cannot survive these increased costs of food and fuel. where they had subsidies for basic living, they are being removed by i.m.f. dictate for loans.
the student protests against fees rising 200% as part of the austerity measures is just the beginning and the puppets in westminster know it.
forget getting any relief from our? government. how many times do you need telling. you are going to get austerity while the monied class gets bonuses and will tell you they earned/deserve it. value is being transfered from the 95% to the 5%. you are being robbed.
So what do you suggest we do?
[/quote solutions come from knowledge not ignorance. people have got to wake up as they are doing across the planet. mind controlling programes like soaps and the media's fixation with celebs and football while our social condition is collapsing all around us comes to mind.we all need to think more for ourselves and filter more what the media rams down our throats. dont accept the news given to us. seek out the truth as it will prevail in the end.
the price of oil at a hundred dollars a barrel is not based on supply/demand pricing at present. the demand/consumption of oil is presently below supply and the current high price is nearly 50% higher than it would be because of speculation from cheaply available money from central banks. this money/credit which is available at .5 or zero % is being invested in energies and comodities driving fuel and food higher. these energy and commodity assets are safer than paper but this bubble will also burst after a spike.
the reactions of the tunisians, egyptians, yemeni's, jordanians, et all, of peoples living on very low wages and with high unemployment cannot survive these increased costs of food and fuel. where they had subsidies for basic living, they are being removed by i.m.f. dictate for loans.
the student protests against fees rising 200% as part of the austerity measures is just the beginning and the puppets in westminster know it.
forget getting any relief from our? government. how many times do you need telling. you are going to get austerity while the monied class gets bonuses and will tell you they earned/deserve it. value is being transfered from the 95% to the 5%. you are being robbed.
the reactions of the tunisians, egyptians, yemeni's, jordanians, et all, of peoples living on very low wages and with high unemployment cannot survive these increased costs of food and fuel. where they had subsidies for basic living, they are being removed by i.m.f. dictate for loans.
the student protests against fees rising 200% as part of the austerity measures is just the beginning and the puppets in westminster know it.
forget getting any relief from our? government. how many times do you need telling. you are going to get austerity while the monied class gets bonuses and will tell you they earned/deserve it. value is being transfered from the 95% to the 5%. you are being robbed.
Quote by Dave__Notts
About 911
only three steel structures in history have fallen due to fires and they fell on September 11th, now that is 1 hell of a coincidence.
Maybe the coincidence is the fact that 2 of them are the only steel structures of that type to have been hit ( as far as I'm aware) by airliners fully laden with aviation fuel and the third was in very close proximity?
aviation fuel burned off straight away as everyone seen in a great fireball.
To melt the steel in the towers would have needed a temp far exceeding the fireball and sustained for quite some time
I looked at video....interesting.....till I then clicked on the video below it....which explains it fully
maybe i should claim the $10,000 offered in the first video
One theory down..............next the collapse of wtc 7 which is not mentioned in the 9/11 commision report.
It is good when you give the answer to your own question in the same link.
Dave_Notts
Quote by Bluefish2009window dressing for the great unwashed to believe in. fuel will continue to get more expensive. there will be no reduction in food costs or energies for the the rural areas or the poor. politicians will make noises because they are frightened of the potential future lynch mob.
Sounds like a sensible idea to me
What do people here feel?
if the people do not demonstrate or protest, there will be no lessoning in the pace of rise in the cost of living. agree with the particular issue or not, protest and demonstration are a check and balance on the ruling elite even if only temporarily.
sean is the proprietor of a bar in dublin. he realises that nearly all his customers have become unemployed alcoholics and can no longer afford to patronise his bar. to solve this problem, he comes up with a new marketing strategy that allows his customers to drink now and pay later. cleverly, he keeps track of all the drinks consumed by whom on a ledger (obviously on a computer with all the data on the individual drinkers) and thereby granting them loans.
word gets around fast about sean's drink now pay later bar and very quickly, sean has the highest volume of wet sales outside of lansdown road rugby ground. his suppliers grant him longer credit terms and lower prices. by providing his customers freedom from imediate payment, sean gets no resistance when he frequently increases his prices.
sean's gross sales volume increase becomes exponential and hard to finance with sean's limited reserve's, so he goes to his bank to ask for an increase on his overdraft. a young dynamic vice-president at the bank recognises that these customer debt's constitute valuable future assets and increases sean's borrowing limit. the bank see's no problem as the debt is secured by unemployed fixed income alcoholic drinkers.
at the bank's corporate headquarters, expert trader's figure a way to trade the debt on at a profit and make massive commissions and transform these loans into long term, high yeild collaterised debt obligations known as DRINKBONDS, ALKIBONDS and PUKEBONDS. they have their credit rating agency rate these securities as triple A and sell them on in the international securities market to other bank's......
word gets around fast about sean's drink now pay later bar and very quickly, sean has the highest volume of wet sales outside of lansdown road rugby ground. his suppliers grant him longer credit terms and lower prices. by providing his customers freedom from imediate payment, sean gets no resistance when he frequently increases his prices.
sean's gross sales volume increase becomes exponential and hard to finance with sean's limited reserve's, so he goes to his bank to ask for an increase on his overdraft. a young dynamic vice-president at the bank recognises that these customer debt's constitute valuable future assets and increases sean's borrowing limit. the bank see's no problem as the debt is secured by unemployed fixed income alcoholic drinkers.
at the bank's corporate headquarters, expert trader's figure a way to trade the debt on at a profit and make massive commissions and transform these loans into long term, high yeild collaterised debt obligations known as DRINKBONDS, ALKIBONDS and PUKEBONDS. they have their credit rating agency rate these securities as triple A and sell them on in the international securities market to other bank's......
starve the women and children and the men will go anywhere for work (no matter how low the wages) and they will spend less and eat less. lazy phukers anyway. stop unemployment benefit and housing benefit, cancell all working tax credits, stop all 6th form further education benefits, cut invalidity benefits, in fact, fuck em all. and when we get to the bottom, in the final solution...... but pay the banksters record bonuses and keep their representative who will implement it on the gravy train. oh, and put up all taxes and charge a gallon for petrol. you never had it so good.
regards alf
regards alf
Quote by neilinleeds
Gulson? Serious question? Why do you let people wind you up like this? To the point where you seem to give up on the whole proper debate thing and settle for becoming a caricature of yourself?
I for one agree with you in large part that the solution to the failure of economic policies along the lines of over-borrowed, de-regulated, free-market movements of capital sure as hell ain't the application of still more policies along the lines of over-borrowed, de-regulated, free-market movements of capital. I accept that yer South American Chicago Boy laborotaries have been back-pedalling at a ferocious pace for some time. I believe that the IMF was dead in the water not 5 years ago cos their prescriptions were no longer deemed to be the miracle injection they were seen to be a decade or so ago? Seems like the IMF and their proven to be failed prescriptions re: massive austerity measures and fucking over the poor are on the ascendency again cos countries have nowhere to go? T'is quite scary that, IMO? ;)
Trouble is, you make a piss poor argument at times. In fact, you make very little argument whatsoever, beyond the whole 'Wake up sheeple' kinda thing? If you have the courage of your convictions, please present them. I for one would read them with interest!
N x x x ;)
neil, thank you for your interest. you are very perceptive and fiscally alert.
it would not matter what evidence you put forward, which i have done, because naturally people are in denial. you could take the veiw, if you wanted to, of the fraudster nouriel roubini who's claim to fame was that of predicting the crisis who now says risk is fading but we are not out of the woods yet nonsense or that of paul volker and alan greenspan who have both acknowleged the insolvable nature of debt servicing debt.
contrary to front page headlines (express tues 14th "house prices are rising"), all of the evidence of systemic worldwide collapse are there for all to see in the financial pages of publications like the f.t. and telegraph.
why would banks who's balance sheets are impaired by toxic assets like credit default swaps of no value marked as having a value, who can borrow at .5% from the central bank and lend it as bonds, gilts or treasuries to soveriegn entities at % consider lending at risk to any enterprise ? they wont ! they are insolvent ! it is not a question of liquidity (you can print as much as you like), its a question of insolvency. the banks are bankrupt !
to resolve there bankruptcy, they are, along with their owned politicians, robbing the people of what little they have left (austerity) and that wont solve the problem only increase the rate of collapse. a b c
relative micro...if you increase the limit on student fees by 200%, a percentage of students that would have gone to uni wont. surplus of uni's. surplus of lecturers, surplus of principles, surplus of admin. surplus of mrs mop's cleaning the classrooms.
all activity relies on the availability of credit (money) at an affordable price and terms. it IS NOT as i have pointed out above. if credit (money) is being removed from circulation in the form of interest and fees, and new credit (money) is not available at equal rate or more, then the tendancy is for the amount in circulation and its velocity to fall. = deflation (meaning fall in most asset classes values) there are speculative influences that challenge this general law i.e. the casino stock market (totally fixed by insider trading and has been for years).
we can expand on this further but i have been posting regarding this topic because i want people to become more aware of the process that is taking place and who is responsible. this is not like previous recessions/depressions. this is the mother of them all. regards dave
i must be as max777 say's, a conspiracy theorist, because i know absolutely that the burning of the german parliament building in the 1930's was an inside job cos i was told at school. the gulf of tonkin incident that took america into the vietnam war never took place (freedom of information u.s. archive), kennedy's head first is thrown forward and then sidewards (film from the grassy knoll) proving the warren commision report that l.h. was the sole gunman to be bollox and mohammed attah's green saudi passport found unsinged at ground zero implicating him as the lead suspect in the 9/11 atrocity is bollox (cbnc, fox news and cnn)
the b.b.c. interviewed john towers, security adviser to hmg and employed by a israeli security company said on the day of 7/7 that he was conducting an exercise at exactly the same time at exactly the same locations on the same day and that he had to go from "exercise to real time and that made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up" b.b.c. 7th july that year ! fukin coincidental or what ?
but hey, i gotta give proof for everything i say and when i do no fuker believes me. this economic collapse is the inevitable consequence of lies, fraud and corruption and i dont need to qualify it or my qualifications to anyone. you will experience the consequences.
the b.b.c. interviewed john towers, security adviser to hmg and employed by a israeli security company said on the day of 7/7 that he was conducting an exercise at exactly the same time at exactly the same locations on the same day and that he had to go from "exercise to real time and that made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up" b.b.c. 7th july that year ! fukin coincidental or what ?
but hey, i gotta give proof for everything i say and when i do no fuker believes me. this economic collapse is the inevitable consequence of lies, fraud and corruption and i dont need to qualify it or my qualifications to anyone. you will experience the consequences.
Quote by Freckledbird
Oh my word - still no answers from Gulson and you're still here asking him?
Waste of time. Just tell him he's right and let him rant/copy and paste/make nice lists of important sounding terminology that he thinks make him sound clever. Even his basic spelling leaves a lot to be desired. Stop feeding him
yor rite frekle, my spellin gets wurse the more glases i drink. dont take any notice of me. i dont know what i'm talking about but also, i have never posted and pasted.
we shall see alf
Quote by Max777you should have just asked me...f.t.......wsj.......telegraph.....money week.....washington post......bloomberg......max keiser....jim rogers......LONDON SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS......milton friedman.....keynes......das capital.......myers......austrian school......goldman sachs.......start with these
The only person playing games here Gulson, is you. I understand only too well the financial problems that this and other countries are facing and that is why I also know that you are talking bollox. That's not me being patronising either. As I said in my previous post, rant away to your heart's content as I'm not playing your little game any longer.
The one thing I do have to thank you for though is your posts have pointed me in the direction of various websites where I can see you get your ideas from!
Quote by Max777
join with me to identify it and come up with solutions.
I thought you said
Quote by gulsonroad30664
when people ask for solutions, i say it's not for me to lead you but for you to be enpowered with the knowledge to lead yourself. solutions come from knowledge not ignorance.
So which is it? Join with you to come up with solutions or not to lead.........you should make your mind up Guls
Dave_Nottsbefore you can come up with solutions, you have to first understand the problemyou are trying to solve. understanding as much as you possibly can by debate and constant analysis brings you closer to the total of the reality that you are trying to comprehend in its totality. i do not profess to know all of the issue but am constantly persueing and analysing as much data and information as i can, filtering bullshit and spin that is constantly thrown around to disguise the depth of the crisis.
hope you and max are with me and not against.
The problem is though Gulson, is that you do NOT understand the problem. The central plank to your argument is that the Bank of England, along with all other central banks, is a private bank and lends to the government at interest and that the whole world is indebted to a cartel of bankers and due to the interest they charge, the debts can never be repaid as there is not enough money in the world.
Unfortunately that is bollox!
There is no doubt that there is a monetary crisis within the banking system but it was caused by the deregulation of the banks effectively allowing them to become gamblers and the results of their (bad) gambling leading to the banks becoming massively under capitalised. The current situation is exacerbated by the previous governments profligate spending resulting in huge levels of government debt.
You ask for debate and I'm quite happy to debate but it is a pointless exercise when the central
plank of your argument is patently incorrect. You have said you can prove everything you say, then spend hours doing everything to avoid having to provide proof.
To me, you are talking bollox, along with your other conspiracy theories, such as 9/11 being an inside job, there being non existant bombers re 7/7 ( try telling that to the survivors and victims relatives currently attending the inquests), Al Qaeda not existing etc etc.
I'm not going to play your game any longer but hey, keep ranting, you have your desciples.
mmm. so you do know about the deregulation in the city and termination of glass steagal allowing retail banks, hedgefunds and commercial banks to gamble with credit that they did not have (under capitalised) with only tiny reserve (50 to 70 times and more) and lose, only for governments to backstop their loses with tax payers money, eliminating their risk (encouraging further wrecklessness) and affording record bonuses to be paid.
as i have alluded to before max on more than one occaision in the past on this site. i was never patronising you. you understand very well what is taking place and like me are alarmed at the direction that this process is heading in. all the proof you ask for is available to you as you well know, of everything i have said.
we shall never know the totality of liabilities on financial institutions balance sheets but even mainstream financial journalist's reports put the figure in the quadrillions for credit default swaps alone. you are aware of this and know, that wether it be greece, ireland, portugal, spain, italy, the u.s. or the u.k., that such debt can never be repaid. how was it created and where (who) did it come from ? fraud.
repudiate the debt or call a moretorium. which one of us is playing a game ?
regards alf
Quote by Dave__Nottsit does make sense to you.
before you can come up with solutions, you have to first understand the problem you are trying to solve. understanding as much as you possibly can by debate and constant analysis brings you closer to the total of the reality that you are trying to comprehend in its totality.
Agreed, but I have no idea who to believe on this issue as the mainstream and the heterodox economic and libertarian groups cannot agree among themselves about anything. So this to me looks very similar to religion, as you have to have faith in your own side that you believe in. This could be why you do not produce the "evidence" I so crave for my understanding as it is your blind faith in your groups idea what is right.
i do not profess to know all of the issue but am constantly persueing and analysing as much data and information as i can,
Thank you, so it is a blind faith in a certain type of economics that you have, as you do not have the answers
filtering bullshit and spin that is constantly thrown around to disguise the depth of the crisis.
There is always spin by politicians and newspapers. However, at least their spin is laid out before us and we can look at it all and make a decision on what we see and read. You have never allowed me to see what evidnce you have. Don't ask me a question. Tell me what the answer is and how you came about that answer and link it to proof. Then you will have me agreeing with you wholeheartedly.
hope you and max are with me and not against.
I can never speak for Max as he is an individual. I am not against you, I just cannot understand what the hell you are talking about. This is putting my heart on my sleeve for you.........you have me confused and frustrated in your riddles that make no sense to me
i have a faith in the fact that there is a worldwide financial crisis ? no. there is a worldwide financial crisis and it is getting worse by the day. absolute fact, independent of my conscietousness or existance. it is. absolute. faith or a belief is not knowledge. faith is not objective. if i ask you to have faith or just go along with me, believe something you dont understand just temporarily while i explain, that is faith. when i have explained and you understand, you no longer have faith you have knowledge.
newspapers and politicians lay things out so you can decide for yourself. no they dont, they create falsehoods constantly backed up by lies and deceptions and many, but less as time goes by, believe them.
my evidence exists all around you. look at my first posts on this issue and the date. i have not waivered from day one. the process has continued exactly as i said. where did i get such premises ? blind faith or knowledge ? thank you for your interest. regards dave
Quote by Dave__Notts
join with me to identify it and come up with solutions.
I thought you said
Quote by gulsonroad30664
when people ask for solutions, i say it's not for me to lead you but for you to be enpowered with the knowledge to lead yourself. solutions come from knowledge not ignorance.
So which is it? Join with you to come up with solutions or not to lead.........you should make your mind up Guls
Dave_Nottsbefore you can come up with solutions, you have to first understand the problem you are trying to solve. understanding as much as you possibly can by debate and constant analysis brings you closer to the total of the reality that you are trying to comprehend in its totality. i do not profess to know all of the issue but am constantly persueing and analysing as much data and information as i can, filtering bullshit and spin that is constantly thrown around to disguise the depth of the crisis.
hope you and max are with me and not against.
Quote by Dave__Notts
So the facts are you cannot or will not prove your own points
Great debate :thumbup:
Now even I managed to find something that you were alluding to when asked to look at money as debt. It's a short film isn't it? By a Canadian artist who said on his own website when flaws were pointed out in the movie:
When I made Money as Debt I had the assistance of 4 consultants who all had much more experience and knowledge of the money system than I did. Two of them were the source of this idea. None of them flagged this point as a problem. However, it has been one of two main criticisms of my movie and in the revised edition will be replaced with less contentious information. Unfortunately, if this information is actually misleading, it is rather late to correct it given that millions have already viewed the movie.
So he has made a mistake, blamed it on the "consultants", and since millions have seen it, it is too late to change. Please tell me this is not your evidence?
Dave_Nottsdave, no, this is not my evidence and i'm not sure if the film you have watched is what i referred to. all the evidence you need is what is happening at an accelerating rate all around you. how many trillions of credits (in whatever currency denomination)exist in the world today, how many were there years ago and if there are more now, where did they come from and who created them ?
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not to worry, the mainstream websites and info are right and i am totally wrong. i made it all up. there is no crisis in the monetary system or banking. but if there were, the professionals that would have got us into a mess will have a solution and if we go along with what they would prescibe, everything would be alright again. your right max. i cant prove anything and everything i have described is not happening. its all the product of my vivid imagination and the influence of conspiracy websites on me.
please forgive me for creating such a false, far from reality scenario based on hearsay with absolutely no proof to back it up.
regards alf
There is a crisis in the monetary system, there is no doubt about that but not for he reasons you keep ranting on about. You said you could prove everything you have said, I have asked you repeatedly to do so and you have responded with your usual riddles and nonsense.
Either put up or shut up! how rude max. even though you continually attempt to ridicule me, i have never said to you, come up with a solution or shut up. i do not need to come up with proof. you continually research the subject (even though you are misinformed by mainstream information) and will continue to do so because some ranting alf garnet has stimulated questions in your mind as to what is really going on and what your told in the mainstream media does'nt add up.
there is a crisis in the monetary system, independent of my rants, it is. it is not getting better or disipating, it is getting worse regarless of what we are being sold as a solution from one moment to another. and you know that.
the amount of debt that has been created in the world, owed to someone ? can never, ever be pepaid and you know that as well so stop attacking me and join with me to identify it and come up with solutions. to accept the debt and try to repay it is totally impossible. and you probably realise that too.
regards alf
not to worry, the mainstream websites and info are right and i am totally wrong. i made it all up. there is no crisis in the monetary system or banking. but if there were, the professionals that would have got us into a mess will have a solution and if we go along with what they would prescibe, everything would be alright again. your right max. i cant prove anything and everything i have described is not happening. its all the product of my vivid imagination and the influence of conspiracy websites on me.
please forgive me for creating such a false, far from reality scenario based on hearsay with absolutely no proof to back it up.
regards alf
please forgive me for creating such a false, far from reality scenario based on hearsay with absolutely no proof to back it up.
regards alf
Quote by Max777read ambrose evans-pritchard and liam halligans reports in the financial section of todays telegraph and you will see how serious matters really are.
Here you go Gulson
Update: For some reason, many people think the Bank of England is privately owned by the Rothschilds. (There is a similar conspiracy theory about the US Federal Reserve). I wrote to the Bank of England and asked for clarification. This was there reply.
The Bank of England is the central bank of the United Kingdom and was established as a corporate body by Royal Charter under the Bank of England Act 1694. The Bank was nationalised on 1 March 1946, and gained operational independence to set interest rates in 1997 (the Bank of England Act 1998 Part II sets out the responsibilities and objectives of the Bank in relation to monetary policy).
The Bank is a public sector institution, wholly-owned by the government, but accountable to Parliament. The entire capital of the Bank is, in fact, held by the Treasury solicitor on behalf of HM Treasury. Each year, the Bank is required to submit its Report and Accounts to Parliament, via the Chancellor of the Exchequer. For more information you may be interested to see the Bank’s latest Report and Accounts, which can be found on our /publications/annualreport/
the above can be found at
So, you going to disprove that?
no, i am not going to disprove the bullshit in the website of the b.o.e. that is for public consumption. the same as i dont listen to politicians lying publicly or in parliament about weapons of mass destruction or swine flu pandemics or global warming and i dont come to conclusions from conspiracy theorists websites and the b.o.e.'s certainly is, along with many other mainstream sites like that of the university of east anglia or the inter-governmental panel on climate control or the n.h.s. site on swine flu.
regards. ranting alf conspiracist
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oh and, i ask again, if the bank of england is nationalised (owned by the state in the guise of hmg) and it can create x billions to give to private banks to shore up their balance sheets, then who do the fuck do we owe it to ?
this question does not arise from a conspiracy website, i do not adhere to aliens having landed and do not have conspiricist veiws or conspire with anyone for any purposes.
alf
still no proof!!
the absolute proof is contained within the question max.
oh and, i ask again, if the bank of england is nationalised (owned by the state in the guise of hmg) and it can create x billions to give to private banks to shore up their balance sheets, then who do the fuck do we owe it to ?
this question does not arise from a conspiracy website, i do not adhere to aliens having landed and do not have conspiricist veiws or conspire with anyone for any purposes.
alf
this question does not arise from a conspiracy website, i do not adhere to aliens having landed and do not have conspiricist veiws or conspire with anyone for any purposes.
alf
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Well it was created, a bunch of bankers helped raise money to fight a war as I recall. Im sure they have a website with all the info on.
They do, including the fact that it was nationalised in 1946.
so, the bank of england, that was created by a small group of private bankers in 1692, 1693, 1694 who came over from europe, financed the greatest expansion of merchantile empire the world has ever known, financed umpteen expansionary wars and continental takeovers along with the industrial revolution, the greatest expansion of production the world has ever known, at the end of world war 2, gave up their power of the creation of credit to a bunch of bankrupt social democrats without a shot being fired ?
you max and the b.o.e. website must be dreamin. oh, in my opinion.
regards alf
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An interesting picture
sorry ben, this chart belongs in a novel. is it in terms of silver or gold value or fiat paper promisory notes. inflation alone (money supply) proves this chart to be nonsensical. n.b. when i made reference previously to the private bank of england being created in 1692, i was chastened by another member. but great to see you researching. regards alf
But you didn't provide the proof to substantiate your claims.......because we both know you can't!
please max, try not to include me in your plural reference "both". i can prove everything i have said. i am not prepared to enter into sermantics about 1692, 1693 or 1694. it is irrelevent to the subject matters under discussion and merely a diversion away from them.
if you want to discuss your and the general veiws created by mainstream learning about credit/debt and finance, i am willing to do so. i will not pick up anyone about their interpretation as to the date and times relating to the south sea islands bubble, the napoleonic wars, the american war of indepedance and civil war, the first world war, sterlings removal from the gold standard, the second world war and the corresponding public debt at those times. to be pedantic about absolutes is to bring attention to irrelevent minutia and a diversion away from the general principles under discussion.
the same as reference to rants and alf garnet characters.
we are living through the greatest financial crisis in history. fact. now discuss/debate and consider, disregard or learn. i am not interested in personal attacks but promise, i will never complain to a moderator when i am.
regards alf
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An interesting picture
sorry ben, this chart belongs in a novel. is it in terms of silver or gold value or fiat paper promisory notes. inflation alone (money supply) proves this chart to be nonsensical. n.b. when i made reference previously to the private bank of england being created in 1692, i was chastened by another member.
but great to see you researching. regards alf
