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confused dunno
fil
:thumbup: just what I was thinking....
Quote by jaymar
I'm sorry, but I find this quite offensive really....
I'm a child of the 80's and I played out in the street and drank dandelion and burdock (sp). But why are children no longer playing out like they used to...is it because they dont want to....or is it because they can't dunno
Sorry, not aiming this at anyone.....but I really don't see how kids can play in the same way as kids did years ago...

Maybe the same dangers are lurking around the kids as they were 20 years ago (ie., 's etc) but the difference is we are much more aware of it today therefore it's our decision that we don't feel happy leaving the kids out like we were able to.
Have to agree with pk on this one, also being a child of the 80s!
I don't think it's the fact that there's paedos lurking around now- where exactly are kids supposed to play? Residential areas are becoming more and more built up, new blocks of flats go up quicker than my knickers come down, and the roads are a million times busier than they were even 15 years ago.
Not many areas have parks or greens or communal areas where kids can 'play'.
I used to when I was young, and did plenty of after school sports etc, but i was lucky my mum only worked part time and could chaffeur me about- how many kids parents work full time now, maybe they just don't have the time like they used to?
m xx
It wasnt you that started it though Louise,you had been possessed apparently!!! smile
having strong abs isnt going to help, unless your going to sit up her senseless!
im off to the gym now to work on glutes and quads, just incase you injure yourself in the line of duty drew.
den
AKA, reserve number 1 for f**king Louise against a wall.
Quote by Kiss
You have the obligatory cock shot on your profile! :giggle:
I'll need to make sure its in good working order mind....
m xx

rotflmao rotflmao rotflmao
I'm not a fan of cock shots but seeing as I don't have any pecs or a pert male arse to show off I'm somewhat limited!
But please do check my cock out to see if it's satisfactory! :rascal:
Yes sir! Ok, I'm off to check it out again, only because you said so mind.......
Yes indeedy, all appears to be more than satisfactory! Although I could use a demonstration just so i REALLY know it's able to satisfy.....
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
You have the obligatory cock shot on your profile! :giggle:
I'll need to make sure its in good working order mind....
m xx
I hope there is room for me, I can always perch on pks lap if not......
m xxx
Thank you Dave, I understood your question perfectly, (and i like how you keep directing this at me rolleyes )
And I replied there does not need to be a humane solution as fox control is not necessary.
Leave them be is my humane solution.
The Burns report did not show that view, but the wording of it could be taken to read as that. (Perhaps a re-read?)
Yes there are a number different studies arguing the different sides of the coin, as with any scientific research, and yes nothing is as black and white, but I took that into consideration and read the various articles, and made my decisions based on the studies which had a good methodology, research criteria, good sample size, using valid tools to analyse the results as I would do when deciding on the value of any scientific research.
I would imagine not every person reading this forum is interested in p values and blah blah blah, so rather than stating what every journal article I read said, I summed up the points from those I thought were most valid, based on my own literature review criteria.
Ok, this might actually answer your question dave!
There are many claims made about the need to control foxes, but there are no quantified data on the cost/benefits of fox control, nor the impact of different methods of fox control on fox numbers.
Away on my little research trip there, i came across an article that studied fox population during and post foot and mouth disease. During the outbreak, no fox hunting could be carried out.
The study found no significant difference in fox population during foot and mouth when no culling was carried out, and after foot and mouth, when the hunts could resume.
Why would culling be allowed when it is not carrying out its supposed function?
At the time of foot and mouth, areas which were employing different methods of culling were also studied.
One area of research was into a type of 'sterilisation' vaccine.
Again, results were conclusive with regards to any form of culling making no significant difference to ox population.
If there is no difference in the number of foxes whether culling happens or not, then why do we bother?
In answer to your question dave, and based purely on the evidence available,
1. We do not need to cull animals to maintain land
2. Farm animals will always be killed by foxes if culling makes no difference to the fox population
3. No method of culling is appropriate
IMO it is the management of the actual farm animals that need to be changed
IMO there is no humane method of culling a species, given that it is proven that culling is ineffective in species (ie fox) control.
m x
One other thing, I do think that this is a relatively minor debate and i do agree with whoever it was that said it was a vote building method for polititians,
The hunting ban debate took up far too much time in parliment, there were far greater issues at the time that needed addressed- it should have been a straight forward examine the evidence, realise culling has no benefit, ban any cull and be done with it!
Quote by Dave__Notts
Why does the hunting fan get to choose which birds live and which die?
Are thrushes and long tailed tits 'better' than magpies then?
And I'm pretty sure that killing magpies is illegal?
Off to do some reasearch....

Under the UK's Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 magpies can be killed if it can be proved that they are affecting songbird populations. This is why the "hunting fan" can kill magpies. However, this "hunting fan" may just be a conservationist of songbirds.
Under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, yes the thrushes and long tailed tits are better than magpies.
Quote by mazandden
I cannot possibly understand why he would play with nature, even if magpies actually do kill other birds (does anyone know if this is true?)

Magpies are predatory birds. They will kill other birds and eat their eggs. They can decimate other bird populations in a short amount of time. So they are culled to manage the population of them.
Dave_Notts
For you Dave- reading a little further into the article you are quoting for-
'Research by the British Trust for Ornithology and the RSPB said there was no link between rising magpie and sparrowhawk numbers and the decline of songbirds.
The research suggested the problem lay with the loss of habitat loss caused by modern agriculture'
Modern agriculture eh?!
wink
Ok, even spookier, it seems you were also in one of Dens dreams last night, which was very similar to mine!
:eeek:
I'm very scared now!
m xx
Quote by Drewxcore
Dave I don't disagree nor do I misunderstand the economics of such a 'sport'. I just find fox hunting a :censored: and often cannot help myself when I promise myself not to comment.
30 dogs and 16 horses are not and never will be an effective method of pest control when they kill one fox!

Any solution to another alternative though? That was one of the questions near the beginning. The question was not about fox hunting being nice or bad but an alternative "humane" solution, if there is one.
Dave_Notts
To say we need a solution to natural wildlife is sick
worship
For once i agree with you Drew! lol
And weirdly, you were in my dream last night! :shock:
m xx
It does! but den is getting nowhere near, i want you and the bottle of sancerre all to myself!!!!
maz xx
Quote by varca
Sorry about the delay - got called away, but back now.
BTW, Sappho says "Hi!" - but she can't join us just now. She just wants to make sure that I 'do my duty' by the ladies of the Forum - can't imagine what she means! dunno
To whoever asked ( I think it was Maz) yes, it is Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc - none finer.
Varca - I will make sure that the Sancerre is especially chilled if you need cooling down. I seem to remember that ice-cold Sancerre sucked off a nipple is..... mmmm! According to our profiles, we are only 24 miles apart! :twisted: I mean, we're virtually neighbours! passionkiss
Will

Neighbours? Really Will? I had no idea at all, I have not looked at your profile innocent okay it's only a lickle white lie :grin:
Hmmmmm I seem to recall that a mouthful of ice-cold Sancerre swirled around a certain part of the male anatomy tends to go down rather well too mmmmmm :twisted:
I can feel an M&S trip coming on :giggle: Then again Sainsbugs do a rather nice one too biggrin
is this for sharing varca?! :twisted: :twisted:
The M & S trip or the swirling of sancerre around certain male body parts? :lol2:
erm, i'll leave that for you to decide..... :twisted:
Quote by varca
Sorry about the delay - got called away, but back now.
BTW, Sappho says "Hi!" - but she can't join us just now. She just wants to make sure that I 'do my duty' by the ladies of the Forum - can't imagine what she means! dunno
To whoever asked ( I think it was Maz) yes, it is Marlborough Sauvignon Blanc - none finer.
Varca - I will make sure that the Sancerre is especially chilled if you need cooling down. I seem to remember that ice-cold Sancerre sucked off a nipple is..... mmmm! According to our profiles, we are only 24 miles apart! :twisted: I mean, we're virtually neighbours! passionkiss
Will

Neighbours? Really Will? I had no idea at all, I have not looked at your profile innocent okay it's only a lickle white lie :grin:
Hmmmmm I seem to recall that a mouthful of ice-cold Sancerre swirled around a certain part of the male anatomy tends to go down rather well too mmmmmm :twisted:
I can feel an M&S trip coming on :giggle: Then again Sainsbugs do a rather nice one too biggrin
is this for sharing varca?! :twisted: :twisted:
Quote by Bumpkin

If fox’s are left alone and nothing done they will breed and spread (along with the diseases they carry) as they don’t have a natural enemy any more, for year’s humans hunted them and that has controlled the population.

Surely the number of animals in an area is dictated by the availability of food. If an area can only support 2 foxes when they breed their offspring have to leave the area or face starvation.
If an area can support 30 foxes and only 25 live there then they will be joined by 5 more. If 2 are killed then 2 more will replace them.
Natural predators are also controled by the number of prey. The more prey the more predators the fewer the prey the fewer the predators.
Hunting is a very short term solution and has very little long term effect. For hunting to be effective it has to be a cull. Every fox in an area. It is the availability of food that is the most important factor in survival.
:thumbup:
All I can say is 'farmers, get a better fence'!!!
Now, what do you all make of the following?
I know a man who will trap a magpie, in order to attract more magpies to it so that he can kill them.
I'm not sure how he kills them, but he does it because the magpies 'kill the small hedge birds'
I cannot possibly understand why he would play with nature, even if magpies actually do kill other birds (does anyone know if this is true?) then what right does he have to interfere?
I whole heartedly believe in survival of the fittest, if one animal has killed another animal, then the prey that died was not fit to pass on its genes- it was too slow to survive, just as if the predator is too slow to catch the prey, then it starves and should die and not pass on its poor attacking genes!
If we get involved, then we are upsetting this natural balance....
Why does this man think magpies are his problem to deal with?
And, does he know that magpies mate for life?!
mad mad mad mad
Has been said before, but if farmers have to put up beteer fences to keep out predeters from their assets which is, after all what the free range chicken are, then costs will have to be passed on to the consumer, pure buisness.
Now magpies. Yes, magpies do hunt smaller birds and they will even kill their own. I witness the former serveral times a day where I live. I used to see loads of sparrows, starlings black birds etc. but these all but dissapeared but have started to make a bit of a come back since our local hunting/shooting fan trapped and killed 13 magpies from the local farmyard last year. I haven`t seen any thrushes for several years and I didn`t see any long tailed tits in my garden this year either.
Why does the hunting fan get to choose which birds live and which die?
Are thrushes and long tailed tits 'better' than magpies then?
And I'm pretty sure that killing magpies is illegal?
Off to do some reasearch....
Quote by willxx69
some Sancerre* and some New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc. Oh, and Gin - G&Ts are always better when served with cold gin - Gordon's and Bombay Sapphire should do it.
How's that for starters?
* Varca, we need to talk!! :twisted: :twisted:
Now then, does anyone need any service? :twisted:
Will

wave
I'll have all of the above!
I ordered a GnT earlier, but now that the bombay sapphire has arrived, I'll have that please!
If varca is sharing then I'll join her for the sancerre, if not, is it malborough sauv blanc?
And Varca and will, we all need to talk!
Wineaux- you were too slow bringing my much needed gin- come over here and await your punishment!
:twisted:
maz x
only once we've vetted their pics for approval, and I want them posted in this thread too!!!
Oh, and mine will be a large gin and tonic with a slice of lime....
m xx
Maz- i choose L'ami and Celtic son, Den will be along to choose his soon!
m xx
Quote by Darkfire

It's not a guys actual cock /girls fanjita that attracts you to them in the first place though, is it?!
dunno
maz xx

i told you I was wierd! lol
not in the first place, no, but for me personally to play with cock, then yes, its a huge factor :shock: loon
Den says when are you coming round?! rolleyes
m x
Oh, another point!
The point about foxes being barbaric and killing all the chickens in a coup but only eating a few- that's the farmers fault and comes back to survival of the fittest!!!!
If you place the chickens in an artificial environment, then you give them no means of escape/hiding etc.
The foxes natural instinct as well as to kill for food, is to develop his hunting skills, and what better opportunity than a whole roomful of chicks to practice on? This is just like the cats 'playing' with their prey, they don't callousley do it, they are genetically programmed to practice and refine their hunting skills, if they didn't, then they wouldn't survive.
The farmer has placed the chickens at a disadvantage!
Imagine a kid in an empty toy shop, he can do what he likes and take whatever he likes but only once otherwise he'll get caught...
Well, he's only going to be able to carry a few toys away with him, so he'll spend the time playing with what he can first, and then take away what he can carry- just the same as the foxes!
m xx
Quote by keeno

If fox’s are left alone and nothing done they will breed and spread (along with the diseases they carry) as they don’t have a natural enemy any more, for year’s humans hunted them and that has controlled the population.

Surely the number of animals in an area is dictated by the availability of food. If an area can only support 2 foxes when they breed their offspring have to leave the area or face starvation.
If an area can support 30 foxes and only 25 live there then they will be joined by 5 more. If 2 are killed then 2 more will replace them.
Natural predators are also controled by the number of prey. The more prey the more predators the fewer the prey the fewer the predators.
Hunting is a very short term solution and has very little long term effect. For hunting to be effective it has to be a cull. Every fox in an area. It is the availability of food that is the most important factor in survival.
:thumbup:
All I can say is 'farmers, get a better fence'!!!
Now, what do you all make of the following?
I know a man who will trap a magpie, in order to attract more magpies to it so that he can kill them.
I'm not sure how he kills them, but he does it because the magpies 'kill the small hedge birds'
I cannot possibly understand why he would play with nature, even if magpies actually do kill other birds (does anyone know if this is true?) then what right does he have to interfere?
I whole heartedly believe in survival of the fittest, if one animal has killed another animal, then the prey that died was not fit to pass on its genes- it was too slow to survive, just as if the predator is too slow to catch the prey, then it starves and should die and not pass on its poor attacking genes!
If we get involved, then we are upsetting this natural balance....
Why does this man think magpies are his problem to deal with?
And, does he know that magpies mate for life?!
mad mad mad mad
Quote by Darkfire
Where's the problem in the concept of someone not being attracted to men yet wanting the physical pleasure of penetrative sex????
I am not suggesting strap ons etc are masterbation but purely pointing out that most people enjoy the physical feeling from sexual intercourse.
I have a strange feeling of walking into a storm. wink

dunno weather forecast says its clear and sunny today wink
physical feeling of intercourse/ feeling 'full'/ 'having something inside her', yes, but with regard to the actual thread question, lesbian women who effectively denounce sexual attraction & pleasure (?? or do they??) from men/cock, who then play using cock shaped/ modelled toys and strap-ons .....
ok, so, I still dont get it lol I'm gonna have to try it & do the research for myself :twisted:
It's not a guys actual cock /girls fanjita that attracts you to them in the first place though, is it?!
You are attracted to the person first, then 'the tools of their trade' next.
As has been said before, if a guy enjoys recieving anal, or having a strapon used on him, it doesn't mean he's gay and likes cocks, he just enjoys the sensation of the toy!
dunno
maz xx
Well hello there! Welcome!
Someone gave me a tip off about you wink lol
Don't listen to anythin srne say- it's all lies and bollocks! lol lol
Maz xxx
we dont have any, but its alright, i'll take her from behind, she looks better that way anyway! :twisted:
Though if she reads this first might need to be applying a rear naked choke to stop her getting to the knife drawer in the kitchen! :shock:
oh no, maz grabbed the stick with her teeth!
Not be kissing her for a while!!!
den
hmm, well i dont know if football is better than sex, but there is definitely a greater emotional attachment with the football.
Being a supporter of the mighty Glasgow Celtic,if we met a couple sometime, and he was a rangers fan, then i would have no trouble swapping partners with him. However, swapping football jerseys would be abhorrent.
The hoops are just too important to me to share!
Den
P.s Maz i love you very much!
Quote by Srne
Good points SRNE. Part of the 'nature versus nurture' debate, methinks.
I don't think that all children who are brought up by two or more people of any gender, will necessarily develop the same sexual inclination. If that were the case, there wouldn't be any gay people at all! I know of gay people who have come from very straight-laced, prudish backgrounds. One of my favourite lines from a song is 'I believe you can't control or choose your sexuality' (Affirmation, Savage Garden)- I think it's spot on.
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I also think that its bang on that you cant choose your sexuality FB, as its a fact that male/female cpl parents have gay children, you are what you are in this life, an if you have a "normal" (i hate that word as who is to say whats normal) upbringing, you develop your sexuality naturally as opposed to same sex parents children who i think could be "swayed" to this outcome.
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They wouldn't be swayed! Gay/straight/bi has nothing to do with nurture, it has been proven that there is a genetic influence! You have no control over your sexuality regardless of what you do or your parents may do to influence it, it is already part of your genetic makeup just as whether you will have blonde hair or blue eyes etc etc!!!
maz xx