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neilinleeds
Over 90 days ago
Bisexual Male, 57
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There has to be attraction certainly, but what I've found is that the attraction does not necessarily have to be physical. What used to be a fairly narrow aesthetic ideal has broadened immensely because I found that so long as I was attracted to someone intellectually, based mostly on what they had to say for themselves and how they presented themselves on here, a physical attraction of sorts that may not ordinarily have existed would follow. Quite an eye-opener for me that was.
As a democrat of course I have to extend to them the same right to freedom of speech, freedom of association, and freedom to peacefully protest I would claim for myself, even if they ((( The EDL that is. How dare they even claim to be defending Englishness and the English. They do not speak for me. ))) are fascist cunts through and through. Course, by the same token I and others ((( The LUAF. ))) can claim the same right to challenge them publicly, peacefully.
Those who choose to engage in violent disorder at such events will quite rightly be picked off by the police and arrested, so I'm generally opposed to bans on marches purely because the potential that some might choose to commit criminal offences exists. We don't ordinarily police things like that, second guessing what someone might choose to do at some future point in time. All a bit Minority Report that if you ask me?
Quote by Andy_Jules
Two boys playing football in a park by the side of Old Trafford when one is set upon by a Pitbull. Acting fast, the other boy peels off a board from a nearby fence and rams it down the dog's collar and twists, breaking the dog's neck. A reporter from the Manchester Evening News who happens to be passing by sees the incident and makes his way over to interview the boy. "A brave Mancunian youth saves friend from vicious animal", he starts jotting down in his notebook." But I'm not from Manchester " the hero of the day replies." I'm visiting from Liverpool" The reporter starts a new page in his notebook and writes,"Scouse ba**ard kills family pet"

That's better! smile Bit of Manc vs Scouse prejudice, but that's to be expected? Course, any MEN reporter worth his salt should have understood the situation immediately. I mean, the kid loitering outside Old Trafford ain't gonna be from bloody Manchester to start with, is he? rolleyes
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Oh dear.
/facepalms
I s'pose I should applaud the effort at least if nothing else, but really, an entire world of neck jokes at your disposal and that was the best you could come up with?
*sorry shake of head*
:P
I'm loving that they've renamed it Giraffe bread. Gem showed me the reply the customer services bod wrote back to the 3 year old in question and I immediately thought 'now there's a guy with too much time on his hands!' lol No, no I mean the guy deserves all the kudos he can get! smile
Fantastic reply, and it's bloody nice that Sainsbury's allow him the time and freedom for responses like that as part of his role. They could spend millions and not get anything like the customer goodwill they're getting from this, which I know makes sense commercially so it's not entirely profit motive free but even so, they're to be applauded.
The 3 year old in question is gonna burst into bits and pieces next time she goes shopping. Thinking about that I hope Sainsbury's see fit to put out an appropriate warning if that looks imminent! Toddlers in supermarkets. rolleyes :lol:
Obviously you reported the profile to Admin so it can be removed, didn't you Luton?
Thanks for that Foxy, I was beginning to think I was the only one over 40 on 'ere. Youth of today, don't know they're bleedin' born so they don't. 35? I'll give 'em 35 so I will! mad
Now what you make about that weather wot we have been having of late, being surrounded by sky and what have you? Terrible innit Foxy? Plays havoc with yer knees don't you find?
/wanders off counting the days till he can apply for a bus pass
There's always been provision within the Criminal Injuries Compensation Scheme for the withholding of compensation, either in part or in its entirety, where the claimant has unspent convictions. That would apply for anything up to a 7 or 10 year period following an imprisonable offence. Kenneth Clarke is saying he wants to tighten that up so that those with unspent convictions are by default ineligible, except in special circumstances, or where those convictions are for relatively petty offences, so I'm not sure how much is actually being changed? The same kind of discretion as has previously existed will continue to exist. It seems only to be different in degree?
In any event the Govt is saying the cuts will save around £35-45m, an additional sum of £50m to be raised from a levy on offenders, but that £35-45m saving includes payments to the perfectly innocent, without convictions, spent or otherwise whose max available compensation payments for some really quite serious injuries, including brain damage and permanent disability will be substantially reduced. The actual amount saved by limiting eligibility for those with unspent convictions is predicted to be around according to the Ministry of Justice's own figures.
I'll leave everyone to draw their own conclusions as to how much could be said to be really under review re: criminal claims if it results only in the saving of so trifling a sum as It looks like they're trying to disguise a massive cut in payments to perfectly innocent, law-abiding victims by spinning it as tightening of rules re: criminals?
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And we still call em noobies bolt

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Just out of interest, is there anyone left that's actually been here longer than you two? The number must be vanishing small. confused
Ey up Mike, hi Warwick. Warwick and warwick OK these days?
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Totally agree with that Neil, it is also interesting the inflection that is put on it by different dialects, both regional or international. To my mind it just does not have the same qualities when expressed by say an american or other english speaking nations. The English/British i think tend to express it more with more of a "k" especially when said aggressively.

^This, and more. I've said as much before on a previous thread on this very subject, but spoken with a cockney accent I just can't take the word seriously. 'You fahkin' cahnt', what's all that about? lol
Quote by Ben_Minx
When I was a boy SHREP was a pup.

Bleedin' Johnnycumlately you are, I remember its mum. Or was it its dad, I forget? confused Actually, no, different sort of animal altogether now I think on it, it's all so long ago!
RandM, looking at your profile I would have thought you'd have a queue of people knocking down your door, but filtering the genuine from the time-wasting is something of an art. SHREP may help you to some extent, it may be entirely misleading, it depends very much on the people, but nothing is guaranteed. The only thing that works is seeing what people have to say for themselves and then bringing your own good judgement to bear, whether that's in a profile / chat / forum / IRL at a social, whatever. The social route has always been the one I've tended to recommend as it's hard to hide behind a mask when you're standing three feet away from someone, but there are other ways and means. You just have to keep going and see what works for you. Believe me, there's more than enough genuine people on here to go round, you just have to work out how best to find them! ;)
Best of luck.
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a fellow member on here insinuated that there partner earned a very low wage and i then decided to make tax credits know to them. if i would have known it would have caused this much fuss, i would have kept the information to myself.
blimey you try to do someone a favour and sometimes it can backfire on a person.

Oh Starlight, it must be awful being you. To be so constantly misunderstood, all your motives questioned.
:therethere: petal, :therethere:
Ah, and now comes the backpedalling. This last post of yours is somewhat more qualified than the rather bold, sweeping statements contained in the one previous where you said that, and I quote, 'anybody' earning less than 43 grand would be eligible to working tax credit, isn't it Star? So there are special circumstances which may apply in some cases. I see. Thanks for the enlightment. rolleyes
Aw shit, sorry Ben. Always last in the loop though me you see. Didn't even know there was a bleedin' sweepstake? Set of twats! mad
if someone earns less than 43 grand a yeer as a household and does not have savings above i think 16 grand, they would be entitled to working tax credits. its the law bluefish.
if anybody is earning less than that with below those savings amounts and still not getting working tax credits, i have supplied two links now and a person should pop down there and see what is going wrong?

Oh dear.
/Facepalms
Did you miss the bit where it says you need kids to qualify for credits at anything like that sort of salary Star? For a working couple without children the cut off is 18 grand, isn't it? For a single person even less. Did you not bother reading that far?
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I think the kind of people I'd like to meet would be able to evaluate the profile as a whole rather than just the status label

Yes. It could be a useful filter for you. You're interested in those that get you and accept you as you are. Someone who chooses to believe their preconceptions of you rather than what you state about yourself is probably not gonna be on the right wavelength and compatible personally or sexually, so hardly gonna be missed.
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Its choice thought and thats my choice, every one is free to make their own choices too smile

Of course. I was just suggesting that it's maybe not as straightforward whichever way you cut it. How you choose to define the OP's sexuality is a matter for you. The OP need not concern himself with your personal definition if it's at variance with his own, his taking precedence over anyone else's.
Quote by nellie-mwgc
I dont care or mind if someone has straight on their profile but then says they are bi when chatting, however i wouldnt want to meet them because i prefer to meet people who are open about their sexuality and i prefer to meet bi men smile

But then declaring yourself bi could be every bit as misleading in its own right. Some will assume you're always bi, can't be straight where the situation calls for straight, motivated by the search for M on M experiences when in reality you might not be looking for that consciously and actively at all. You're just open to exploring if the opportunity presents itself. It's not the same thing.
No, it's neither misleading nor dishonest. You self-identify as straight. Your bisexual explorations previous change the self-identification not in the slightest. If someone chooses to pull you up on your status imagining that once had sex with a bloke = bi, end off then that's a failure on their part to understand that sexuality is not defined by sexual acts, it's the other way round: sexual acts are defined by our sexuality. The most that could be said is that in certain circumstances with certain people you would be open to male on male play, meaning you're possibly situationally bi, but that's not the same as being bi. If you see no reason to change your self-identification then fine, you have no need to explain that to anyone else. If they don't like it, tough shit, deal with it or don't, but why should you give a fuck?
I don't think it's always offensively . It can be playful and friendly or full of agression and venom, depending on the context. 'Fuck off you daft cunt' is very different from 'Go fuck yourself you thick fucking cunt', and different from 'I love the taste of your cunt you dirty little bitch' again. It's all in the intent.
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I guess my thinly veiled attempt at trying to be the attraction to attract anyone here failed then...?

:therethere: Rogue_trader. I did start typing something up about Slapton Sands and what have you but got distracted by another thread, and then when Blue replied to you I wasn't sure how to read you anymore. I know that's not Slapton on your avatar BTW. The beach you're on is way too sandy. The Slapton shingle stuff's probably a bit more comfortable: doesn't get into so many nooks and crannies, eh! ;)
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hmmmm does look better without the italics

It does, yeah. Not sure that bold purple's that much of an improvement though. On this at least Keepyourcool and I are of one mind. It's hard to read.
Just sayin' like . . . ;)
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Timely thread this Keepyourcool, for me at least, and I salute you forritsir! Crystalises a lot of things I've been thinking about of late, which I won't go into, I'd most likely bore you with it. lol :uhoh: I've got me 'O' level English as it was when I were a nipper and nobbut a lad, and it's stood me in good stead all of me life. For the most part at least. Done Latin at 'A' Level, and a fair bit of French, so like to think I have a basic grasp of how yer romance languages work as well, you know. Know all about subjects and objects, and the relationships between them in time and space and what have you, had subjunctive moods of the pluperfect past falling out of my arse back in the day, maybe even with gerunds thrown in for good measure, I forget. Still had to edit something I put up earlier cos reading back through the thread I'd put 'you're' when all it needed was a 'your'.
I've got eats shoots and leaves on me frequent reads book pile. I've written essays on the abitrary nature of signs and signifiers and the ways in which they come to be over-loaded with meaning, having first come to mean anything at all in the first place. I've debated with lecturers whether the thing most people call Margaret Thatcher actually exists in an objectively verifiable sense or whether she's merely an agglomeration of signifiers constituting some kind of linguistic construct in what I shall choose to call for the purposes of argument 'the imagination', assuming that we've agreed on terminology and a frame of reference that makes the sequence of characters or sounds from which this sentence is composed even intelligible to anyone other than me. Still took me the best part of 40 years to learn that 'its' is possessive all by itself and doesn't need a bloody apostrophe, except where I'm indicating missing letters ((( Thanks , you rock! biggrin ))), but can I get the apostrophication in its / it's right 100% of the time? Can I bollox! I still get it wrong, and it bothers me. mad
Should it? Depends what you think language is really. There is formal language, a thing of beauty: a product of the human intellect that's mathematical in its precision. Indeed, it can be nothing but mathematically precise, for mathematics too is a language of the human intellect. It's the exact same thing, but I never quite got that till recently. That explains why I was good at languages but shit at maths, good at practical computer programming, rubbish at theory. I didn't get that it's all the exact same thing: a boot-strapping, self-referential system that defines itself and its own terms. It has static rules that can be rigorously defined, but those same rules allow language to modify itself, in a way that is fluid and dynamic, ever changing. Language then makes a toy of itself, that is playable with infinitely once you grasp that. It's not difficult, a child can do it. It both defines the human experience, and is a product of it. All that matters is that a human being has sufficient grasp of it to first creatively define themselves, and then creatively make themselves intelligible unto others. How they use it is really up to them. That's what the rules are there for, to enable it. You can't break them then, except within a narrow formal frame of reference that is a specific subset of the bigger thing called Language with a capital L.
Does it matter what we think language is or how we use it when we talk to one another, in real life or through the medium of the internet? Bit deep for this time of night on a swinging site? Dunno. Maybe, but you started it! :P
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I am at a loss to see how, restricting people to an income far higher than I get will force them into ghettos. I don't live in one.

No shit? You have a lot of ghettos in Dorset that are in some way comparable to the inner cities of London do you Blue?
What's your average rent where you live for a three bed house? Nothing flash, basic ex-council house, something like that? I know what I could rent for in Devon around the periphery of Plymouth cos I look in estate agents windows down there 3 or 4 times a year, amazed that it's around the same or only very slightly higher than I pay for the privelege of living in one of the roughest areas of inner city Leeds. Now guess what £550-600pcm would get me in inner London?
Entirely possible Dave, yes. I'll show my arse on the Town Hall stairs if that actually happens though. Look at what's happened to rents since the start of the recession. They haven't come down in response to the reduced spending power of prospective tenants, they've remained stable because demand out-strips supply. It is the lack of affordable housing in high-value areas like London that has forced tenants into high cost rented accomadation in the first place. Without a sustained investment in social housing that will remain the case, because there's your real issue.
The govt are addressing the problem of high rent with a big stick approach that blames tenants, when the real long term, sensible, pro-social solution is new social housing provision. It is a solution so blindingly obvious a small child with a lazy eye and a squint could see it. Why are they not doing that?
So your solution Rob is that we protect tenants from exploitative landlords by forcing them to move to lower quality accomodation owned by even worse landlords? Seems to be a flaw in your logic there fella, dontcha think?
I take it everyone is aware that the vast majority of those living in London in receipt of Housing Benefit actually work for a living? What do those tenants do if they're forced to move to an area beyond travelling distance from their place of employment? Give up their jobs and sign on? That'll save money won't it. Oh no, wait . . .
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thats socialism for you blue. keep spending then when that runs out, take more from the rich. simple and fare logic. unless you are rich of course.loon

No! The point is, and God knows I'm trying to make this simple for you, if it had not been for the policies of previous govts, with the full support of those who voted for them, the current problem would not have come to exist in the first place.
We're not suggesting the answer is to keep taking from the rich. We're suggesting that if they'd thought it through properly in the first place we wouldn't now be taking from the poor, as if they're the ones at fault. The govt decided social housing was a thing of the past. The govt decided they wanted tenants to be housed primarily by the private sector. The govt decided they wanted rents to float at market rates. Now they're saying having got what they wanted they don't like how much it costs. Shouldn't they have thought about that first? It's an inevitable consequence of their housing policy given enough time. Surely they weren't stupid enough not to see it coming, or so stupid that when they did realise that's what was happening chose to completely ignore it? They couldn't be that thick, could they?
Quote by Bluefish2009
For the first seven years after I left the village I lived in a dilapidated mobile home in the next village. The best I could afford. The opportunity to buy came much latter in life, but I still can not afford to live or move back where my family are as it is too expensive.

There's two ways you can look at that Blue I think. You can either say it's a shame you had to do that cos there weren't more options available to you, whether as affordable rented accomodation that helped you stay within your community while you got on your feet or as sustainable low-cost private property you could afford to buy into, and maybe we should look at that and have a bit of a rethink on housing provision, OR you can say tough shit buddy, sucks a bit that dunnit, but you know what, the people who've managed to buy really like it when the stuff rockets up in price to the exclusion of people like you, sorry you missed the boat.
Trouble is people are so invested in property they're prepared to go with option two forever, blind to the consequences as far as the social fabric of the country is concerned, so long as there's the possibility of monetary personal gain. It's been amply demonstrated in recent years that the housing bubble is no longer sustainable and unless things change at some point we're gonna have an even worse crisis on our hands than the one we have now, but instead of looking at other options that might actually make sense long-term and provide real social benefits, people like you will go with 'I can't afford that and I work for a living, I'm buggered if they're having it' in some mad race to the bottom, and then later on you'll be up in arms complaining when the thing you said you wanted turns out to have consequences you didn't quite foresee.
Y'alright Ben? How's tricks? ;) Good post that wannit? I was pleased with it anyways, though I reckon only you and Staggers will agree with my analysis, but hey. :P