As someone who is invloved in swinging and the BDSM comunity there are some photos and depictions (ie faked, drawn, painted etc.) that I find offencive... I have no interest in scat play, I believe that children should not be involved in adult material, Animials by the very nature of not being able to concent or not should not be included in the sexual activities of humans, and I don't find the idea of true necrophillia in the least bit exciting or sexual...
there are I'm sure many other things I dont like but dont come within the proposed legislation such as photos of grossly obese people that the daily sport was so fond of showing (gurt gut bucket, ) and overly skinny women such as are depicted on sites that link sexuality with bulmia and anorexia as both play up on a condition that is ultimatly life threatening and is hard to control for the individuals and less so if they are being "loved" into it by people.
The problem with the new law is that its very badly worded, and is being pushed through as a knee jerk reaction to one woman who died at the hands of a mentaly unstable person who used the premis "it was looking at pics that made me do it.. not my fault" to gain a lesser sentance.
This new law is a clever one, its really being introduced because the "obscene publications act" requires people to take a logical view of what is obscene... and while this is a very flexible view depending on whos chosen to class any "objected to" material and the morals and censorship at the time (If you look at playboy over the years, what is and is not allowed has gone from nothing, to all, to some hidden, to all on show over the years) but basically intelegent people view a photo that has come into the radar and give an opionion....
The new law negates intelegance and automatically makes all photos of a type against the law to download and view (it does not specifically prevent such photos being taken and posted on the net) but criminalises anyone viewing it...
I cant post a link to my site due to the fact i'm not allowed... but I've a gallery of 2 gay guys in a bondage senario, also my ex in a DS senario... and a friend suspended on a beam, and when it finally goes live 8 people suspended in a loft and vairious other senarious... all fully concenting, all "real" and not faked, and all enjoied by the people involved... all totally ilegal to view under the new law if it becomes enacted. Some because poeple are "obviously" unable to concent (masks/gags/etc.) others because it shows restraint, humiliation, etc....
Also there are thousands of girls who sign up and pose on "living dead girls" and "suicide girls" who all at some point do the dead goth in a bath with slashed wrists... Which while abhorent if the photos were for real are only classed as ilegal under the new law if they have a sexual content... well DUR!!!! their tits are out!
The new law at the same time being badly worded is also cleverly worded so that new catorgries can be added without going back to parliment for adaptation... so how long before they add "photos with more than one person" "photos with 1 person" "photos depeciting 3somes," as thats obvioulsy objectionable and abuse to the person in the middle... "photos depecting buckaki" as its humiliation to women and some depreaved guy might think that he can wank over a woman and might go on to rapeing or even killing her...
I'm not saying that some, or even any, of my work is particually art worthy, but there is a lot of very clasic art out there which is well reconised as "art" but potentially falls foul of this new law....
Heck, if you want to take it to its (il)logical conclusion then impressions of the christ on the cross technically fall within the remit of the new law as they show a person in bondage with a sado-mashicistic slant of needing the spikes driven through the hands to die for the good of others... at no point is it obvious that he has any way of using a safe word or giving concent.
So to sum up... its a crap law because it does not stop such works being created and only criminialises the people that view it and also it makes ilegal to view some of the greatest works of art, and also it includes photos that any person in their right mind would not have concidered capable of causing someone to go an comit a violent act against another...
The reality is that sick people will always comit sick acts... and there are a hell of a lot of sick people out there that dont comit sick acts because they find a release through wanking over visual/written material that slates their lust and prevents them from doing it for real... a sick fucker is a sick fucker and while they might be drawn to a specific type of material, it does not make them any sicker or any more likely to act out their desires.
Actually its not as clear cut as that...
I'll post the quote from an email I've had, then put my own slant in another post...
Stop the Government's War on Net Freedom
The Home Office has begun a consultation process on plans to strengthen
the criminal law in respect of possession of extreme adult images. The
government is currently discussing plans that could lead to people being
imprisoned for downloading images from the internet. This is a step too
far from a government determined to regulate every aspect of our lives
and quash individual expression.
Backlash is the campaigning organisation bringing together individuals
and activist groups to oppose this legislation. Read more about us on
the backlash website on
I urge you to voice your opposition to this legislation. Make a
submission to the Consultation Document
You can also view the document on the BBC
Some basic advice on how to write your submission is available.
It is highly recommend that you write to your MP. You can find out who
your MP is on the backlash website
. Some examples of letters members of Backlash have written can be found
here
. You should also contact justice organisations like Amnesty, Justice
and Liberty to tell them about your opposition.
If you are a member of a trade union or another lobby group, you could
also write a letter to them.
Sign our petition online or print off our petition and get as many
signatures as you can.
You can help in our media campaign by writing to the letter page of
your local paper or a national paper or a magazine.
You can also call into radio stations.
Join our Smartgroup to take part in the discussions.
We are also in urgent need of donations to help fund our campaign in
print.
The campaign around the government consultation is growing apace, with
action springing up pretty much everywhere. There is also (if a target
date for getting in response to the consultation of November 20. Two
weeks before deadline - in the hope that some people who are a tad less
organised will get going.
The text below comes from a request under the FIA in terms of what the
Home Office is thinking of including in its definition of images to be
banned. Read and weep!
This is NOT in any way about images of 'extreme violence'. Bondage is
in there. Corporal punishment is in there. The works. Basically, if
you ever did any bdsm, and you have pics on your pc, prepare to buy a
new pc in 18 months time.
Anyway. Take a look:
"And just in case you are wondering exactly what is going to be banned
under this new legislation, I have the complete list here (in simplified
format obtained under the Freedom of Information Act). Note this list is
by no means comprehensive as the Home Office Legal Department are adding
categories and clauses all the time but it gives you an idea of how wide
ranging this is:
Asphyxia. Where the person is being choked in order to gain sexual
pleasure.
. Sexual acts between humans and animals.
Bondage. Tying a person in an unnatural position for sexual
gratification where the participant is unable to withdraw their consent
(for example they are gagged).
Corporal Punishment. Inflicting pain on another person
Cruelty to animals. Includes organised dog fighting, bear baiting,
badger baiting, cock fighting. Also `crush' material which features
humans stamping on vertebrates or standing on them with increased
pressure until they are crushed.
Defecation. Voiding excrement from the bowels.
Enemas. Flushing the bowels with water, usually to drink the product or
torture the victim.
Fisting. (anal or vaginal) Inserting a fist in the anus or vagina for
sexual gratification.
Insertion of an object. Only where the insertion clearly inflicts pain.
Menstrual Blood. Sex between adults where the female is menstruating
heavily and the blood is being smeared on the body or the used tampon is
being sucked etc. This does not include post-intercourse depictions
where a small amount of blood can be seen on the participants.
Necrophilia. Sexual intercourse with a corpse.
Sado-masochism. Sadists achieve sexual pleasure through inflicting
torture and humiliation upon another person. Masochists desire
maltreatment as a means of sexual gratification.
Scatology. Depictions indicating a general interest in excrement such as
smearing or eating of excrement.
Urolagnia. The act of urination in the context of any of the following
where a person is shown: urinating at the same time as they are engaged
in a sexual act. The urination and sexual act must be seen at the same
time. The sexual act includes those such as fellatio (oral sex) and
masturbation which would not be obscene if shown without urination;
smearing urine on themselves or another; urinating on another person;
being urinated upon; drinking urine.
Violence (non-simulated). Scenes of actual violence or mutilation shown
in an exploitative context where they are not part of a legitimate
documentary. For example a compilation of newsreel footage concentrating
solely on scenes of violence or mutilation. This would also cover scenes
of actual sexual assault including .
Violence (simulated). Scenes of simulated sexual violence such as
shown in an exploitative context where the activity is graphically
depicted and clearly intended to appear non-consensual. This excludes
scenes contained in serious dramatic films."
^Thunder^
A great cracking night... and a serious thanks to darkfire for the lift and calister and moribus for organising it :-)
Was great to see friends i've met before and others for the first time :-P
There are two other sites that used to be free untill a couple of years back, one with a name similar to this one... I visit it once in a blue moon as very few new people join up after the initial trial period, for the existing membership at the time they were all upgraded at the time so don't have to pay... but the site is not nearly as good as it used to be.
The other one went the premium membership way, and over time reduced the facilities that were available to non-paying members I've not visited it in nearly a year as its just not worth it as so little is available to myself and the number of new members is such that its lost the turnover required to make it interesting to anyone but a small clique.
A well known gay site has very reciently reduced the facilities available to non paying members by not allowing non-paying members to see the photos within the adverts (same as the swinging site mentioned last above) and its noticable that the number of new people creating accounts (not nesesserally paying) has droped significently.
I guess we shall all have to wait and see how the comercial paying aspects of the site exist with the non-paying abilities and what changes over time for all the regulars and if the site is improved or goes down the pan with respect to our usage as apposed to the comercial viability of just getting as many wanashags who can pay joining up and how or if refunds would be made to people that cause problems to others or if the fact they paid makes it ok for them to be members while causing grief for genuine swingers.
Just to add my thanks to Mark and all the hard work he has put in to maintaining this site and keeping it running.
May life treat you well and you be happy in all your endevours.
Although you have to go through legal chanels, if a child has signed up to a premium rate or chargable service such as ringtones or been caught out by false advertising they can get the money back...
As a child (person under the age of 18) cannot legally enter into a contract then the contract entered into is null and void so is not legally binding so the child can be recompensed, but as I say you have to do it through legal chanels if the company refuse to pay up... I'm guessing as more people take issue then such companys will just remove the cash from the company, close it down, then re-start with another name to avoid the issues.
There was a TV docu. about this some months back, but I cant remember which one.
I'm guessing that it does refer to a BJ passed on as you say steve, and also person 1 giving BJ to person 2 then passing it on to person 3... I've also heard it refered to in a drug context.
Thank god he didnt ask about a rainbow kiss as it would be bloody hard to explain that one :shock:
With the older, or standard "cheap" keyboards that come with a "standard" PC when you dont want to pay extra for an all singing all dancing additional 50 keys type this is nearly true, washing it in the shower or under a tap and then letting it dry is "safe." but the new keyboards have a lot more in them than what you type on, such as extra buttons for CD player, bring up explorer, etc... these do have circuits that are more likely to fry than the older ones... but if your keyboard is knackered then a wash and dry can re-new it so no loss if it fails.
I've only seen a striptease show once at a pub in long eaton... wasnt a turn on at the time at all, good laugh tho...
I did swing a couple of times with an ex P3 girl who worked at a well known club chain, have to say she was one of the sweetest people I've known with no pretentions, but lets just say her, and the other girls at the clubs, views on the punters and how enjoyable their job is is on a par with how most people feel about work and annoying customers, lol.
PM sent :-)
And as for sarah... good job when I arived that she was who I thought she was else I probably would have ended up outside as I was trying to read the t-shirt so would have looked like I was staring at a strangers boobs while aproacing them, lmao
They did look very nice mind ;-)
I'm just waiting for them to do a REAL program on a swingle male that doesnt go to clubs and is selective on who they play with...
Would probably take 2 years of filming, and result in 29mins 55seconds of nothing, then 5seconds of great sex after being compressed into real time, lmao
I've also noticed that theres been no, or very little, mention of safe sex on all the programs... I know a lot of people dont, and also a lot do... but its not really been mentioned!
I can't remember the exact figure quoted as to the cost per couple in the states for the venue, but at about 1-2 thousand (did I hear it correctly) then the only people who could afford that would be the retired rich or the upper end of the finantial ladder who wouldnt think twice about having a social only meet without playing as money is no object and its a couple of days to be different.
The young couple that was featured did, although sidelined, mention how different a finantial bracket most people were in... While in the uk we have a "class" system, the us has its own class system based on earnings more than class based on breeding in the uk where its frounded upon to be wealthy through earnings and not inheritance.
Socially speaking most of the people at the event were on a par with lords and ladys in US terms.
Despite what has been said about editing, all the subjects really get is "you're not putting that out... or that will do" I really cant see the subjects being in the editing room with editorial rights over potentially 72 hours (3days *24 hours) of tape.
The final verson did show chris as being homophobic, but hey thats his right... if he doesnt like the idea of guy contact then i'm sure DP and condomless sloppy seconds is not on the cards and all perform safe sex so there is no posibility of same sex contact directly or indirectly through bodily fluids.
Although being bi myself, I do find it strange that someone can enjoy bi-sexual events from an opersite sex partner and not within themselves... someone that is totaly against bi-sexuality and gay and lesbian sex does tend to seem more honest than someone that says "being gay is bad... unless its two girls..." but that is my take on things.
I personaly wouldnt/dont say anything derogitory about anyone I'd played with except in private or with very close friends or there was a really good reason to have done so... If i'd have had an issue i'd have brought it up with the person/people i'd played with either at the time or later (I wouldnt have done this with a GF some years ago, but i'm older and wiser if not maturer)
OK so issues out of the way....
chris and loraine came across as a couple that loved sex, had a huge exhibitionist side and were open and vocal... and also had the balls to "come out" on the swingning scene.
Only time will tell if the program does them more harm than good and only they will know that.
I also found it refreshing that they admitted they were in this for the sex, after all swinging is a sexual thing... true there may need to be a social click, but when it comes down to it a lot of swingers only need to find a sexual compatability... if there is an emotional compatability then this is secondary and a bonus if everyone wants more than "we like you, you like us, lets fuck."
I have played with people, and in reverse them with myself, based on physical attraction and contact via adverts/messenger/emails... I've also seen it from the other side as a couple and it doesnt require friendship, just a mutual attraction... true friendship comes after with time; even then there always has to be some detatchment otherwise the lines between swinging and relationships becomes blured and emotional attatchments can become one sided or exclusive.
If swinging was first and foremost about friendships then clubs would not work, and you wouldnt see couples leaving pissed of because they hadnt played after forking out their x amount, they also wouldnt have a graded pay scale based on single fems, couples, men and wouldnt get anyone in for greedy girls and gangbangs and bukackies, membership would be quota based and not finantial.
It does annoy me that people try to put a socially acceptable face on swinging that conforms to the "normaity" instead of saying "swinging is about sex... period" if you dont like it or the idea... piss off, if you do... come on in and have fun.
Was great to meet up with everyone, old and new faces... I wont do a roll call as i'm crap with names and sometimes have dificulty with my own, lol.
That does remind me... I either need to get re-pierced or change my nickname, lol.
I do think we'll have to have more of these mini-munches, along with the big ones, as they have a place for newbe's as they are less imposing and also allow more people to interact with others while the big ones can be imposing and also people tend to stay in smaller groups.
Bags we have the next midlands mini-munch in ilkeston ;-)
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If you are receiving CHANNEL 5 on your existing ariel you should be able to connect your freeview up, 
remember. Now your paying through the nose for which of not nearly half you will watch every month. 