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Quote by plumfabio
I find Joy Division's Closer or Unknown Pleasures hits the spot or Radioheads OK Computer...........d'oh that's 3!!

Oh now there's some selections.
Now that it's all gone ipods it's hard to remember a whole album that I've repeatedly listened to start to finish. I've never listened to a Cure album, or a Joy Division album or a Prince album, even though I really love their music... I'll have to work on that.
After some thinking:
Venetian Snares rossz csillag alatt született this is the one drum and bass record I'd recommend to anyone, to prove that electronic music can be sensitive and artful as well as hard and fast (and at the same time too). It's technically brilliant, really varied (at times closer to classical or jazz textures, and at times the hardest drum and bass you've ever heard) and really beautiful.
Mogwai Young Team A real journey of a record. If you haven't heard them they kind of cross the spirits of the Sex Pistols and Pink Floyd, with heavy flavourings of Nirvana and maybe a bit of Radiohead chucked in. And they're Scottish.
Susumu Yokota The Boy and the Tree slow, graceful, elegant, beautiful ambient electronic music.
Arvo Part Da Pacem slow, graceful, elegant, beautiful ambient classical music.
Sergey Prokofiev Romeo and Juliet My favourite ballet (musically speaking).
The Arcade Fire I know people usually say the first record is better, but I really like them both.

Er I'll stop now. Oh no one more!
Simon Reynolds (ed.) Energy Flash: A Journey Through Rave Music and Dance Culture This is a CD that came with a book; it's proper old-skool rave from the late 80s-early 90s. Perhaps surprisingly, it's really good for fucking to.
Quote by Lost
I watched my Mrs chatting talking and laughing, with a person she knew, as I sat and waited for her in the car. I found that as she was laughing and being totally natural her body language to the other woman from my viewpoint was really easy and comfortable I just found that erotic

That's lovely.
Quote by Peanut
...we are so going to hell.

Funny you should say that, but I've just been watching Louix Theroux doing a programme on Dave about the Phelps family in the US who reckon we are all Fag Lovers and are going to hell.
Oh I saw that one! Those guys are fucking nuts. That was mad.
At one point they picketed IKEA because the Swedish government has allowed homosexuality in their army, or something.
Don't get me wrong, there are lots of very religious people that I deeply respect (King, Gandhi, me ma, Desmond Tutu) but those guys... fucking nuts.
Brilliant show though...
I think it's hard to control your deep-seated, instinctive responses to things/people/situations. I think though, that once you become aware of them you can start to think about them and moderate them.
I don't think anyone could blame you for being uncomfortable about physical-contact-with-sexual-overtones with anyone you don't feel comfortable about being touched by. Especially if this is done in an intrusive way without your agreement. If this causes you to react instinctively in a more negative manner that makes sense. And as you've described, genuinely accidental brushing gets a much milder negative response out of you.
I think instinctive reactions to situations are a different matter to treating people differently depending on their sexuality/race/gender/disability whatever, or holding prejudiced views. I think as long as, rationally, you know that "the gays" are no different to "the straights"* and are as different from each other as they/we are alike, and you behave accordingly, then you're fine; especially if you're aware of your instinctive responses and try to moderate them.
*= and of course the same goes for the whites, the blacks, the Polish, the Welsh or the Congolese. The Mackems, however, are a funny lot and should be tret with extreme suspicion.
It's all about communication and being able to figure out how people tick. People work better if they can understand why they have to do what they have to do (and in fact if they understand clearly what they have to do). Everyone needs different things in terms of support, reassurance, advice, even different people to work with on different projects.
One of current bosses is brilliant. She has taken the time to figure out the direction each of her subordinates wants their careers to go and constantly feeds us the right experience and opportunities. She knows who works well with whom (and which combinations are just going to end up talking about the football...) and combines people in appropriate combinations depending on the task at hand. She will not leave the building before any of us - she sees it as a point of pride to work faster, harder, better and longer. This is shit for her social life, of course, but it does mean that we don't begrudge her needing us to work longer, because we know she's prepared to do it herself.
She's friendly and nice, which goes a long way. If anything approaching a telling off needs to be done it happens early enough to feel like more of a redirection. She's extremely competent, so it's easy to respect her abilities, but she also knows and uses the skills of her staff, and will ask for and listen to advice when she needs it.
She also has the finest arse in Christendom (I have a feeling I've said this before on here). We (it's all men who work "under" her) love it when she wears tight jeans, and I'm sure she does it on purpose to raise morale when she knows it's going to be a difficult day.
She listens, she cares, and she gets more commitment, workrate and effort out of us as a result.
I just realised how much I've been eulogising this woman. She just really stands out in contrast to my two other bosses (men with power complexes) in my two other workplaces, who are both fucking awful, with the clear result that none of their staff give a shit about them, their authority, or their objectives.
Quote by flower411
. I thought anal sex would be especially fun on an altar the pope has taken mass on.

Nah !!!
Sex with a condom on :shock:
Safe from sexually transmitted disease that`d REALLY piss them off !
Adulterous anal sex, using a condom, on a Sunday, then?
During Lent
With a nun.
Awwww gawn !!! two nuns, one licking the other wink
Wicked - so you get the sin of homosexuality in there as well. Brilliant.
Or even better/worse... have you seen The Exorcist? Do you remember what she does with the crucifix?
...we are so going to hell.
Quote by flower411
. I thought anal sex would be especially fun on an altar the pope has taken mass on.

Nah !!!
Sex with a condom on :shock:
Safe from sexually transmitted disease that`d REALLY piss them off !
Adulterous anal sex, using a condom, on a Sunday, then?
During Lent
With a nun.
Yeah - it's nice when you hear people you don't really consider to be that sexual enjoying their sex. I have a housemate who never really flirts with his girlfriend at all; in fact they're more commonly kind of putting each other down (in a joking way; he's from Yorkshire and she's from Salford). A couple of weeks ago though me and another one of my housemates were watching TV when we heard her coming like a porn star... for quite a while. Wasn't really erotic, but it was nice to know he makes her happy.
What is kind of erotic is realising when my (university) students fancy me. Of course I'd never act on that... but it does give me a rush.
Quote by flower411
. I thought anal sex would be especially fun on an altar the pope has taken mass on.

Nah !!!
Sex with a condom on :shock:
Safe from sexually transmitted disease that`d REALLY piss them off !
Adulterous anal sex, using a condom, on a Sunday, then?
In a very rich and famous person's garden shed at a party. The reason this was awful was that it all went horrifically wrong.
His son was at my high school, they used to have massive parties like in the American teen movies; at one of those me and my first girlfriend sneaked out to the mattress in the shed to lose our virginities. We were just warming up when suddenly all our mates were banging on the windows laughing and shining torches in (it was more like a summer house really). We shouted at them to fuck off, and they did; being young, drunk and horny we decided to keep going, got ourselves warmed up again, and had just got the condom on when suddenly there was cold water everywhere - they had got a hosepipe through the window and were spraying us with freezing cold water.
By this stage I was fucking livid, I jumped up and ran out into the garden wearing nothing but the ice blue condom (a detail that will always stick with me) screaming at them all to fuck off and waving my arms. Then I noticed the camcorder. Didn't care by that stage though, I was so pissed off.
They all did fuck off, because nobody other than my girlfriend actually wanted to see me naked; we went back and got dressed - the mattress was soaked, the condom shrivelled, and the moment lost; I went back to the party, threw a pint of water over someone who had nothing to do with it, and stuffed the condom down the side of the sofa for the guy's parents to find (he deserved it!).
Thankfully we succeeded in losing our virginities a week or so later on her parents' living room floor.
Sex using food (yeah: you remember the "Asda game" thread?), sex with roleplay (I don't really mean Dungeons & Dragons), generally more play and experimentation and imagination with sex.
Sex in extravagantly public locations. I keep having a half-arsed idea to make some kind of "Indecent Exposure Bingo Challenge" website where people challenge each other to fuck in certain locations, put up (anonymous, obviously) pictures of themselves doing it, and award each other points. My biggest ambition was always the top of the Anglican Cathedral tower... you'd have to hide in there when it closed for the evening, and spend the night. Oh or on the stone altar out the back of the Catholic cathedral... I thought anal sex would be especially fun on an altar the pope has taken mass on.
Er, I hope nobody reading this is profoundly religious...
And then more MFM and an actual FFM. And more bigger groups of all flavours.
And I want to develop my dom side. And some other stuff but... that'll do for now.
Quote by winchwench
But for the feckin life o me I don't understand the answer! redface

rotflmao
I'll PM you later with an explanation for blondes. I simplified the next one for you lol
kiss
No offence, but I suspect Redpantherman may not be blonde...
Do it!
It's er... quite fun.
Just make sure you have an enema first...
The spanking great erection I've just woken up with. "Oh yes! hello penis!"
OK a number of points I would like to make on this issue:
1. The MMR vaccination is NOT dangerous.
Quote by flower411
The person who refused the MMR vaccination refused something that is reported to be dangerous and possibly cause autism in their children.

There was ONE study done in 1998 which suggested that there might possibly have been some kind of a link between MMR and Autism but couldn't show anything more concrete. This paper looked at 12 (that's - twelve) children with autism. Its authors were not able to reproduce the original data in further study. Some of them are currently being tried for attempting to falsify evidence ( , and one of them has very publicly changed his mind. There have in fact been many, many studies since which have shown no link, including at least ten looking at thousands of children and at least two looking at every child with autism in the UK; all of which have found no link.
Quote by the NHS website
In November 2003 Dr Simon Murch - one of the authors of the 1998 paper (Wakefield A J et al) suggesting a possible link between MMR and autism - stated in a letter to the Lancet that there is now 'unequivocal' evidence that there is no link between MMR and autism.
Dr Murch stated that no vaccine has ever been studied in as much detail as MMR and that making a decision on whether to immunise with MMR should be easy for both doctors and parents.
NHS MMR info site

Now, you could claim "conspiracy", and try to suggest that the entire medical establishment, the government, the universities and the NHS are all trying to lie to us; then you'd have to ask, why? Or, you could just accept the weight of research and go with "The MMR vaccine is not dangerous," which to me seems like a much simpler solution.
Yet, despite the fact that any research suggesting there might be a link was based on a tiny sample, hazy at best, was ten years ago and has since been both discredited and massively outweighed by research pointing the other way, this smoke still persists, pretty much in the absence of any kind of a fire. Which brings me on to my second point:
2. This proposal under discussion is really not going to become law - it's a load of bullshit journalism.
Quote by kentswingers777
The very people who start these crazy things off are called the " Monday morning brigade " .
In that I mean...they come into work on a Monday morning with nothing in their in or out trays. They then start to drift off into their own little worlds, which is dangerous. They then come up with these half baked cranky things. Give these people some proper work to do and maybe these cranky ideas will never come to fruition!!

Couldn't agree more; I just think it's worth pointing out that there are at least as many of these people
working in journalism as in politics.
Quote by de_sade

Maybe im wrong.

You are.
Someone's gotta pull you up on this surely? She's not wrong. Very nice articles you've linked, but did you actually read any of them?
Both the ITV and the Guardian articles include the Labour Party's official policy:
Quote by A Labour Party Spokesperson
"Labour has no plans to introduce compulsory vaccination for children."

If you read these articles, you can see that what has happened is that a backbench MP has ran her mouth off about something which she herself says is only an idea; and then the party has gone, "She said what? Nononono...."
The strongest evidence the other one has is "Rumour has it that the government want to introduce compulsory vaccination in the UK." Well, if rumour has it, it must be true. The more you read that site, the less credible it gets - it's got a lot of the hallmarks of conspiracy theorism. Give me ten minutes and I'll find you a hundred sites telling you that the CIA is using infrasound to drive people mad (without really explaining why) or god was an alien; doesn't make it true.
3. Everything Lost has said in this thread has been brilliant.
Especially the stuff about wedges.
Quote by Misskitty_2008
My question is to you guys, have you ever told a new partner that you like something just because he or she does?

Cats.
Not even a new partner. I kept that one up for about a year and a half. She REALLY loved/loves cats. Thank God we broke up before she got one, or I would have ended up having to negotiate to keep the bloody thing from sharing our bed.
Quote by flower411
I have no problem with married men, in fact I have one of my own. If he plays away without permission though I shall set up a webcam and demonstrate in graphic detail the artistic way to disect a penis and other parts of the male anatomy. I will then, and forgive me on this one as my cooking skills leave a great deal to be desired, pan fry diced penis and testicle with a hint of garlic and serve it to him on a bed of watercress! If the shitbag leaves a morsel then he's really going to be in trouble! lol
If any other married men want to play on here though it's no problem for me. My morals are fluid.

Fuck me !!!! you`ve just cut his dick off !!!
What would happen if he was in trouble ????? rotflmao
Yeah - "Fuck me" is pretty much the only response to this :-) That's impressively vehement.
My own opinion on this is that cheating (by which I mean playing without the knowledge and consent of your partner) is unfortunate, distasteful and often I'd call it outright wrong - howeeeeever it's not for me to judge people without knowing their situations.
(If, for example, there is no more sex in a relationship, it's not surprising for someone to look elsewhere; perhaps better they do it in an entirely physical swinging context rather than have an affair; perhaps the other partner knows deep down but they'd both rather not acknowledge it openly; whatever. In both of these situations actually I'd still say talking about it might in some ways be the healthiest option, but I guess that isn't for everyone).
Quote by Peanut
In all honesty I can't say that I've ever understood the logic of national pride.

Maybe this may help....
"Nationalism has had an enormous influence on Modern history...
I understand the history of it and the definition, it's the logic of it that escapes me.
I find the logic very easy... There is a lot I do not like about the UK, but it is where I was born and brought up, it is part of my identity, and for that I am proud.
It's the logic of taking pride in the accomplishments of someone I've never met or known that I don't understand ... I don't see the logic in being proud of a random country that I was born in.

Strange....but of course your opinion.
Would it make it easier if I said I was human before I was British, so strictly speaking based on your 'rules' I should be proud of every human accomplishment regardless of which country provided it.
I've had a think about this and I think part of the reason I do feel some kind of not-exactly-pride is very much what you're saying here. We're all connected. Britain isn't a random country you were born in, it's a part of you and you're a part of it and this collective consciousness of which you are a member was a massive part of what made you you and you are a tiny part of what makes it it. Nobody said this better than John Donne, himself of course another part of the collective personality of these sceptred isles:
Quote by John Donne
"No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manner of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee."
Meditation 17, from Devotions Upon Emergent Occasions, 1624.

(Apologies if that seems a bit pretentious/knobbish to be putting in literary quotes on a swingers' forum, but it's just that that's one of my favourite things that anyone has ever written and I thought it was actually kind of relevant this time. On a completely different note, how far removed is this from Th*tcher, in her role as Prime Minister for Christ's sake, saying "There is no such thing as society"? loon )
Obviously Donne and Peanut were talking about the entire human species, but I feel that it also extends down to the levels of nation, region, city, community, family and self*. You have a right to feel some sense of pride in the achievements of your society, as much as you have a duty to hold its actions up to scrutiny and an responsibility to feel remorse for its transgressions. I feel that the same is true of the whole human species - we should feel proud that we've been able to build the pyramids, invent the lightbulb and cure all manner of diseases, in the same way that we should feel ashamed of the holocaust and the atom bomb, and the fact that people are STILL starving.
Not that we should go around constantly wringing our hands, but it's certainly wrong to say that the slave trade was 200 years ago and is nothing to do with modern Britain. If we're going to base any part of our individual or collective identities on good things our country did in the past then we have to also recognise the bad things.
Patriotism is (literally) a sense of allegiance to one's fatherland. Nationalism is something different and quite scary; Nationalism is "my country is always right and never wrong" or "all other countries are intrinsically inferior to my own" or "it's quite right and appropriate for my country to shit all over all the other countries because foreign people frankly don't matter". Let's not forget that Nationalism was the other ingredient in National Socialism (Nazism), that turned Socialism, an essentially noble and loving if a little simplistic and perhaps misguided idea, into something totally evil.
There's a thin line between Nationalism, which is potentially terrifying, and patriotism, which is probably not too dangerous as long as it doesn't cross that line. I think that the line probably is the ability to recognise that your country can be wrong as well as right.
Quote by Mr-Powers
Then perhaps we should be proud that we were one of the first if not the first to make slavery illegal within the British Empire,and that the Navy saved thousand of africans being shipped off to slavery, no one ever wants to bring that little fact up!

This is true, we were the first; and it wasn't just within the Empire, it was everywhere. As you say the Navy was sent out scouring the seas for slave ships. A bit counterproductive, unfortunately, as whenever the Union jack came into view over the horizon the slave ships would basically just chuck all the slaves overboard, but the intention was there nevertheless. Nobody ever does mention this and it was on many levels a good thing.
(Although, some historians have argued that it could be seen as a somewhat hypocritical attempt to prevent our rivals from using the same tactics we had used to make themselves as rich as we had by then become; in much the same way that the Americans are now trying to discourage the Chinese and Indians from using oil to make their economies powerful).
Quote by winchwench
....
Tomu-
Would you please have my babies?

:-) definitely! Oh hang on - having them might be difficult, but I'd certainly have a go at making some... I've always thought you're hot...
Apologies for lengthy and a bit pretentious post, I just got a bit carried away and I was supposed to be working...
_____________
*unless you're Roy Keane - when asked, "How did it feel to win the treble?", he responded "It felt kind of ok, for a couple of days, and then it wore off and I started thinking about the next game." Now there is a guy who has seriously taken to heart the meaning of Rudyard Kipling's poem "If". Probably.
Quote by flower411

I'm often in awe of the achievements of people who have gone before me. I have absolute respect for them.
However, I can no more be proud of the good, than take responsibility for the bad (eg the slave trade.)
Thought provoking thread Mar :thumbup:

Interesting that you should mention the slave trade.......this country definately took advantage and built a huge empire based on slavery....but we didn`t invent it ...it was a well established system long before the English took advantage.
But
Concentration Camps ....Ask any Dutch person who invented concentration camps !!!
:-) yeah - we may not have invented the slave trade but I'm not really sure that gets us off the hook. We still did more of it than anyone else and made more money out of it than anyone else. The fact someone else did it first isn't really material...
Quote by Cherrytree
I can't say I'm proud to be English, or British - not because I have any particular grievance, but just because...well to be proud to me, implies I've done something to help make it the way it is, and I haven't.
I'm glad to be British, yes, there are a lot worse places to live - but proud? No, I can't take any credit, so I feel I can't say I'm proud.

Quote by splendid_
I am exceptionally proud to be me.
I can take no credit for anything else in history.

This is of course the rational position. I didn't do anything to earn any of the good things about this country and so proud isn't exactly the right word. And as Winchwench pointed out Britain has done some fairly despicable things throughout history as well, and so if we're going to start feeling pride there should be a hefty does of shame with it. But I don't feel shame exactly - I personally didn't go running round the world stealing other people's land or money or resources or indeed people. I do think it's important to acknowledge that these things were bad (why is it that we're never really taught that the British Empire was in any way naughty? The Empire the sun never set on is always kind of boasted of in a way - we were some right bastards to people all over the world. Massacres, genocide, you name it).
There are other things I feel intensely ashamed of as well, more current things - people pissing and vomiting and fighting in the streets at 9pm in every major city; the way as a culture we've disowned our kids and left them all to go feral; our national diet; the Sun; the Mail; the Wombats; electing Thatcher three times (yeah - can't reeeally have a go at Americans for electing Bush twice when we went one step beyond).
However. None of these were actually my fault (apart from my contribution to the national diet) so I don't feel personally guilty. I feel shame but not guilt. I'm not really sure of what words to use in reverse but it's that kind of connection. There are things about Britain (and England, and the beautiful north, and the cities I grew up in, Newcastle and Leeds; and Europe and the "west" and the human species) that make me feel an intense - something.
I think the NHS is one of the towering achievements of the human species; the idea that no matter who you are or what is wrong with you you will get the best treatment possible, immediately, with no questions asked, is one that in the whole of human history hasn't existed outside the last 50 years and north-west Europe (and Cuba). And we did it first and better, and although every government since has been chipping away at it, it's actually still fantastic compared to almost anywhere else.
When you add that to the idea that this was the prize our parents/grandparents/great-grandparents chose for winning the second world war - it's just beautiful. And all of those ideas - from cradle to grave, a country fit for heroes - whether or not they actually worked perfectly, there is so much hope and nobility and beauty encapsulated in those ideas that it makes the hairs stand up on my arms.
(It also makes me angry that we're giving it up so cheaply; my grandads must be spinning in their graves.)
And the BBC is an incredible thing when you look at all the stuff it does; not only the TV but all those radio stations (in every city); World Service reporters in every city in the world; how many orchestras do they keep, is it four, five, six?; the biggest website in the world; several of the world's biggest music festivals (the biggest of all being the Proms); very high standards of objectivity and all of it done to a very high quality. They invented a lot of the technology used for TV and radio and now they're leading the game for internet broadcasting. It's very good; it gets slated a lot, particularly for the license fee, but for me it's well worth it.
Those are the two big ones for me. And the fact that this is actually one of the least racist, most tolerant, least religiously bigoted, most open-minded countries in the world. Not exactly what makes everyone's heart sing maybe but they do it for me. I feel something when I put on my Newcastle shirt or when I see Hadrian's wall. I feel better then I pass the white rose going east on the M62. I sometimes feel that Luton is in a foreign country, but somewhere around Derby things start to make sense again. Then again I get exactly the same feeling landing at Heathrow if I've been away for a while. It's pissing with rain, the people are miserable, everything is crappy and overpriced and overcrowded, but somehow it all makes sense. Yeah - I'm going to stop now but - don't know what you'd call it, loyalty, commitment, maybe pride? love? Something. Wouldn't want to pin my colours to any other mast.
I think the EU is a very very good thing. I just wrote a massively long email arguing with a lot of the points above, and then I'd timed out by the time I came to send it. Which is probably a good thing, because I don't REALLY want to get into a slanging match. But I did just want to say before I go to sleep - yes - at least someone on here thinks it's good.
Oh, couldn't resist this one though:
Quote by kentswingers777
If we live in one of the most democratic countries in the world, God knows what some of the others are like.

Zimbabwe, for a start. Have you read about what is going on there right now?
Oh, and America, actually. And let's not forget China. Or actually most of South America, Africa and Asia.
Actually, most countries outside the EU are markedly less democratic than most countries inside it. Wonder if that's a coincidence.
Yeah - it is just about the balance, so whatever to alter that balance fits with your personality...
Although I'm generally fairly slim I sometimes go through phases of being too busy to go for a run or get to the supermarket, so I end up eating crap all the time, not burning it off, and putting on a stone or so, and then when I get a balance back in my life it just goes off again. So I get to really clearly see the effect of this balance.
It's not about weight for me as much as it is about general health - I eat a lot of fat and I'm lucky to be able to metabolise a lot of it, but I do sometimes worry that I'm going to die of feta REEEALLY soon if I don't somehow earn it. And that drives me to go running when I feel guilty about my diet.
Also, being a fairly lazy person, and one that is prone to giving hobbies up after a few weeks, one thing I've found works is getting things into my life in a structural way - making tweaks to my existing routine rather than actually going out of my way. So - like cycling or walking to work rather than driving or getting the bus. If your workplace has a shower that's even better. That's much better than going in a sweaty room and lifting blocks of metal up and putting them down again while looking at people with bodies I could never match (fucking rugby players!). Going running is obviously even better for the calories but you have to be really careful how you work up to it, I caused myself a calf injury that stuck around for about four years by one day starting running to work every day.
Or walk/cycle to the supermarket and only buy what you can carry home - that instantly reduces the beer you drink and burns some of it off as well. I stopped eating feta in my own home, and only keep two beers in the fridge at any time. A mate of mine lost over a stone when he stopped using the lifts at work. You don't have to go nuts, sometimes just tweaking the balance a bit can have the effect you want.
Oh yeah, and fuck as much as possible :-)
Quote by sexyann57
Wunderhorse,
The only bizzare moment was going to the gents and stumbling in on three asian lads having a shower in the sink!

You're not kidding - that is some odd behaviour in a public toilet (note to self: potential whole new thread here about odd behaviour in public toilets).
I know it's somewhat late, but I had a fun night too - my first munch (well... kind-of-munch) and I met some ace people. And learned some things. Not least that Justified and Ancient, while being a banging tune, isn't good karaoke music... certainly not for me anyway. I'll stick to Elvis in the future.
Wicked. Cheers all round!
Quote by WMI
Went to see Bjork in Blackpool on got some of her albums but wasnt too sure what to expect at the of the songs she did- like Declare Independance and Earth Intruders had the place bouncing.
But whenever i mentioned to my friends that i was going to see her nearly all of them said WHY?
Dont you think certain artists like her and the likes of Morrissey bring these reactions from people?

This is because most people have no taste. But you can't put any store in what the public think - those bastards like the fucking Wombats for Christ's sake.
Bjork is probably one of no more than about five actual geniuses performing in mainstream pop music at the moment. I'd love to have seen her - did you enjoy it?
Quote by Ruthandswede
I just wanted to say a thank you to st3v3 and all the other mods, and admin bods that help make this site run smoothly.
Thanks
Ruth xx

Second that. I'd like to give appreciation generally for making the site run, and specifically for not having started charging me! It's all too often in life you get into something when it's new and fantastic, and then once it's doing well it gets taken over by someone else who screws it up or makes it much more expensive. In this case they've done neither, and this ought to be applauded. (It's also all too rare that people get congratulated for doing something well, it's much easier to bitch).
Quote by Bonedigger
Loads of surgeons have cd players and the like and play music in theatre anyways these days (leastways the ones i worked with did!)
one used to play Czech opera at full volume, and another had a penchant for Queen, and one for Radio One :shock:

Lord almighty, the idea of someone literally taking your life in their hands, while listening to Jo Whiley blather on inanely, really doesn't bear thinking about.
Quote by Staggerlee
There is I'm told -though i don't know it's name, and have never heard it- a record by mathmos made up entirely of sampled noises from a post-mortem,this might make for an interesting operation.

I don't know that record, but Mathmos are ace.
Quote by Missy
A good song to sing to and also doubles up as a checklist cool
:karaoke: Heads, shoulders knees and toes :karaoke:

Or... "The foot bone's connected to the - knee bone; the knee bone's connected to the - thigh bone..."
It would depend on how serious the operation was. If it was very serious, if there was a chance I might not survive, then it becomes a different question entirely. How about...
The Saint Etienne singles compilation...
"Too Young To Die"?
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when going down on a woman....
I would say that you see how she kisses first... then replicate that when you are enjoying her clit.
Start off slowly, reveal the clit by using your tongue to push back the hood... encircle her clit.. slowly, very slowly at first with a firm pressure. Flicking your tongue and getting a rhythm that makes her relax and start enjoying and most importantly expecting it. Don't vary it until she is totally relaxed and breathing steadily.
Then stop.... and as she begins to realise that you have control and you decide when she cums use your tongue to really explore her. As you stop and start... licking her clit for 5 minutes then stopping for varying amounts of time. Enhale the aroma as she becomes more aroused. Enjoy the different textures of her clit, her labia, the entrance to her cunt.
Finally when she is ready to cum and you know this because the noise she makes will be deeper and more earnest. She will have a pleading look in her eyes. She will perhaps be holding your head tight she will be pushing herself against you. Make her cum.. and hold her against your face. Make sure that you drain every last piece of energy.
Taking all of that into consideration - bloody enjoy it. The receiver can tell when you don't.

This is a fantastic piece of writing. Thankyou.
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How do you define 'extreme' though? dunno

From the bill (page 44, lines 32-39 and page 45, lines 14-27)
Quote by The Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill
Possession of extreme pornographic images
(1) It is an offence for a person to be in possession of an extreme pornographic image.
(2) An “extreme pornographic image” is an image which is both—
(a) pornographic, and
(b) an extreme image.
(3) An image is “pornographic” if it appears to have been produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal.

(6) An “extreme image” is an image of any of the following—
(a) an act which threatens or appears to threaten a person’s life,
(b) an act which results in or appears to result (or be likely to result) in serious injury to a person’s anus, breasts or genitals,
(c) an act which involves or appears to involve sexual interference with a human corpse,
(d) a person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal, where (in each case) any such act, person or animal depicted in the image is or appears to be real.
(7) In this section “image” means—
(a) a moving or still image (produced by any means); or
(b) data (stored by any means) which is capable of conversion into an image within paragraph (a).

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I've read in some places a suggestion that clause 6b above can be extended to refer to BDSM and/or fisting, maybe even double anal or vaginal penetration... I suppose that'll just depend on the predilictions of the magistrate...
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"Any image which causes significant offence or is considered an offront to public decency..."

Yeah. The question in this sort of phrasing always is "significant offence" to whom in particular? It always seems that the law is designed to protect conservative, Christian, middle-aged and middle class people from being offended and doesn't really care about anyone else. Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ caused me significant offence and nobody seems the slightest bit bothered.
Let alone images of The Wombats and Russell Brand...
The cheese grater is genius. And:
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washing-line
bleach
dustbin bags
marigolds
electric carving knife
what?
lp
oh, and a copy of something by Patricia Cornwell
enjoy x

...I like your style.