Ok, following on from Nola's thread on blow job technique, anyone got any good tips for going down on a lady? I'm pretty confident in my skills, but you can always learn more...
I think there should be some kind of a SH sex tips manual... maybe a sticky or two. It would certainly be a useful resource to work through...
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One of my lecturers from my first degree. If you're out there, Dr Diane N., although you were an excellent teacher, I spent almost all of your classes imagining nailing you to the classroom floor. Or wall, or desk.
Oh, and my high school Latin teacher was very hot as well. The only state school between Sheffield and Edinburgh to do Latin A-Level, and they got the numbers because of her. I am sure that she used to wear deliberately low cut tops and lean forwards more than was strictly necessary.
And my new boss has the finest arse in Christendom. Hmm. Maybe I'm discovering something about women in positions of authority.
I never, NEVER fancied Thatcher.
Oh, and my high school Latin teacher was very hot as well. The only state school between Sheffield and Edinburgh to do Latin A-Level, and they got the numbers because of her. I am sure that she used to wear deliberately low cut tops and lean forwards more than was strictly necessary.
And my new boss has the finest arse in Christendom. Hmm. Maybe I'm discovering something about women in positions of authority.
I never, NEVER fancied Thatcher.
Well, as I said in another post recently, my ex taught herself to do it, and it took her a month of hard work to be able to get it all down. I'd say this is what we learnt:
1. It matters which way your man's cock curves. Mine curves down, so the easiest angle was me standing and her kneeling. On the other hand for guys whose cock curves upwards a 69 position got it round the bend of her throat.
2. She found that when she first hits the back of her throat, her throat starts producing this kind of gooey, phlegmy saliva. This lubricates it. So you have to get this stuff going first before you try to go all the way down. Then the cock will slide down it easier.
3. As Andromeda said above, relax the your throat muscles as much as you can and just try to let the cock go past them rather than batter through them if you see what I mean.
4. After that it's just practice... it takes a while but your gag reflex will decrease. Not everyone can get rid of it altogether but for most people it gets a lot easier.
5. It's gonna be much easier if his cock is not 100% hard. That way it can go round the corner easier.
As to whether it's enjoyable for the giver... I think my ex used to like it largely for showing off value, and because I enjoyed it... but then, that's pretty much the same for all oral sex, isn't it? I mean it turns me on to eat pussy and I love doing it, but there isn't a direct sexual stimulation - it's all about the effect it has on the lady. Once she'd got the hang of it it wasn't uncomfortable or painful.
1. It matters which way your man's cock curves. Mine curves down, so the easiest angle was me standing and her kneeling. On the other hand for guys whose cock curves upwards a 69 position got it round the bend of her throat.
2. She found that when she first hits the back of her throat, her throat starts producing this kind of gooey, phlegmy saliva. This lubricates it. So you have to get this stuff going first before you try to go all the way down. Then the cock will slide down it easier.
3. As Andromeda said above, relax the your throat muscles as much as you can and just try to let the cock go past them rather than batter through them if you see what I mean.
4. After that it's just practice... it takes a while but your gag reflex will decrease. Not everyone can get rid of it altogether but for most people it gets a lot easier.
5. It's gonna be much easier if his cock is not 100% hard. That way it can go round the corner easier.
As to whether it's enjoyable for the giver... I think my ex used to like it largely for showing off value, and because I enjoyed it... but then, that's pretty much the same for all oral sex, isn't it? I mean it turns me on to eat pussy and I love doing it, but there isn't a direct sexual stimulation - it's all about the effect it has on the lady. Once she'd got the hang of it it wasn't uncomfortable or painful.
Yup. We were driving from Washington DC to Memphis, and about 10 hours in (somewhere between Nashville and Jackson) started to get a bit bored so she started sucking my cock. After a couple of near misses with trucks, we had to take the next turnoff, pull up in a motel car park, jump into the back seat and fuck like bastards.
It was fantastic, frantic sex. The name of Bucksnort, Tennessee will forever be etched in my memory.
It was fantastic, frantic sex. The name of Bucksnort, Tennessee will forever be etched in my memory.
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Minty breath strips
Ice cubes
Latex gloves
Menthol chewing gum (although yes, NWC, with you on possible choking hazard... being spectacularly accident prone as I am!!)
Mouthwash
Extra Strong Mints
Lube
Baby Oil
ooooh, am feeling a trip to the supermarket coming on! What a random trolley load this will be!!
Loving the tips btw ladies....
Nola x
This is a game I've enjoyed over the years: go into a supermarket, preferably late at night, and preferably with a partner, preferably drunk. Make up the rudest, most suggestive or obscene basket you can think of and try to embarrass the cashier as much as you can.
Then go home and use ALL of the stuff you just bought.
So i'd include say, condoms, lube, whipped cream, honey, strawberries, cucumber, clingfilm, gaffer tape and something weird like a meat tenderiser to really freak them out.
What else would you put on the list?
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One is (work related but nonetheless fab) David Crystal's 'The Stories of English'...
David Crystal is ace! I saw him speaking at a conference once, and he's as good in person as he is on paper. He also looks like Father Christmas, and he's apparently a really nice man (a friend of mine knew his daughter when they were kids, and learned to act in a theatre group he ran).
Ok my book tips:
If you like Terry Pratchett, try Robert Rankin - probably start with his earlier stuff (like the Brentford Trilogy or The Most Amazing Man Who Ever Lived). His later books are really surreal and pretty self-indulgent, and if you're not into it it'll be a bit annoying.
For erotica - have a look at a copy of the complete works of the Marquis de Sade if you haven't already. It's, erm, eye-opening. In that it goes waaay beyond anything else you've ever thought of... not as much erotic as... a trip into madness. Unless you come to the conclusion that it's so far gone that he must have been trying to provoke rather than describe stuff he was actually into. Umm, anyone else read this stuff? What do you think?
For serious literature - War and Peace is actually a lot less hard and more engaging than you think it's going to be. Just very very long (took me about six months of reading it for an hour on the tube every day). I really got into it though. It's really character driven and very well drawn. Epic like you wouldn't believe, and yet also about sixteen year old girls falling in love.
Probably my favourite book ever - House of Leaves by Mark Z Danielewski. It's a banging horror/thriller, but it's also really interestingly put together - he's chucked every typographic, structural and stylistic trick he can think of at it and most of them work. Again compelling characters and storylines, which kind of make the rest of it work... oh and it's not as long as it looks: quite a lot of the pages are blank or have only got one line on them.
Oh and anything by Haruki Murakami or Milan Kundera.
Wicked.
Nola, I love your new Avatar even more than your previous one.
I am stunned that nobody has suggested... practice. If ever you need someone to practice on...
My ex (sigh) taught herself to do it. For me, the idea was even sexier than the actual sensation. It looks incredible, it's fucking impressive, and it's just SO porno. It's a move that screams "I am committed to giving you superhuman oral sex," which is an incredibly sexy idea.
She said it was just a matter of determination and bit of research. Took her about a month of trying every night (and daytimes too) to be able to get it all down. Happy days.
just wondering, does that stuff work on ladies too?
Weeelll... Something I've had done to me that really worked was using teeth. Mouth wide open up and down on my cock, with her teeth very gently grazing it. No lips, no mouth or throat, only teeth and breath. Worked well in contrast to more vigorous stuff - it really sensitises me, so that whatever you do next will be much more spectacular.
Oh yeah and - make it last as long as possible. Keep stopping. I kind of reach a place that's better than orgasm...
Yup... that's all good stuff. Seems like you've got some homework ahead of you Nola...
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...So, does anyone have any top tips for making a good blow job a great one?
I am stunned that nobody has suggested... practice. If ever you need someone to practice on...
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Another favourite of mine is:
When I see this in Porn it's just amazing & done by Belladonna even better.
My ex (sigh) taught herself to do it. For me, the idea was even sexier than the actual sensation. It looks incredible, it's fucking impressive, and it's just SO porno. It's a move that screams "I am committed to giving you superhuman oral sex," which is an incredibly sexy idea.
She said it was just a matter of determination and bit of research. Took her about a month of trying every night (and daytimes too) to be able to get it all down. Happy days.
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Minty breath strips
Ice cubes
Menthol chewing gum (although yes, NWC, with you on possible choking hazard... being spectacularly accident prone as I am!!)
Mouthwash
Extra Strong Mints
etc...
just wondering, does that stuff work on ladies too?
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No teeth!! :shock:
Weeelll... Something I've had done to me that really worked was using teeth. Mouth wide open up and down on my cock, with her teeth very gently grazing it. No lips, no mouth or throat, only teeth and breath. Worked well in contrast to more vigorous stuff - it really sensitises me, so that whatever you do next will be much more spectacular.
Oh yeah and - make it last as long as possible. Keep stopping. I kind of reach a place that's better than orgasm...
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Im giving all my secrets away now:lol: ...
Yup... that's all good stuff. Seems like you've got some homework ahead of you Nola...
Me and the former Ms Tomu had this:
She said it was quite fun. Yes, quiet enough that nobody else could hear, not massively powerful, but a pleasant little buzz.
The best thing though is the way it's set off - it's triggered by the signals a mobile phone gives off when it connects to the network, so obviously if I phone or text her, wherever she is she gets a buzz. However, it also goes off whenever anyone else uses a phone within about three or four metres.
Still, we only used it a few times - but it was quite fun.
We also had this:
It was quite good but the remote control-ness of it died so you had to switch it on and off manually.
She said it was quite fun. Yes, quiet enough that nobody else could hear, not massively powerful, but a pleasant little buzz.
The best thing though is the way it's set off - it's triggered by the signals a mobile phone gives off when it connects to the network, so obviously if I phone or text her, wherever she is she gets a buzz. However, it also goes off whenever anyone else uses a phone within about three or four metres.
Still, we only used it a few times - but it was quite fun.
We also had this:
It was quite good but the remote control-ness of it died so you had to switch it on and off manually.
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From what I've seen of the Human Race, however desperate a situation, there always seems to be one thing in tact ......... Hope.
I agree with this as well though... it's a hard one. I think I'm going to write something else about this, but I have to go fry some eggs now. And then eat them, yum.
God almighty this is a sensitive one. OK before I write any more I'd like to say that this is entirely my own feelings, and doesn't relate in any way to your situation. In fact (as with the abortion thread the other week) I feel that it's something that I can only really consider at an individual level - everyone's circumstances are totally different. I guess considering what the people involved feel is the only way of looking at it.
My mum - quite Christian but in her own way, and a very determined, bloody-minded person - said: "Don't you dare switch me off. Ever." I think that the idea of giving up is so alien to her that she'd want to fight on until the very end. I think for me, unless we have a different conversation at some point, I wouldn't feel able to call time on her fight.
My dad - an atheist who watched his dad die slowly of some kind of degenerative disease that took his mind away first (not sure exactly what) has always been very clear that if the situation comes up, he is in favour of euthanasia. Since he has always been very clear about this I'd feel more able to respect his wishes, although it would obviously still be horrible.
For me - I never want to end up as a piece of meat, unable to move or talk or think or refrain from shitting. I've worked in a nursing home and I don't want to end up in one myself - not that I saw anything horrific, I just don't want ever to be in that state. But I don't want anyone to have to pull the plug either - if I have the opportunity, once the game is pretty much up, I'd like to take up going for walks that are too long. I'll try and shape my life so that I live near some hills, so that I can conveniently die of hypothermia watching the sun set one evening. I think that would be far better for my loved ones than having to watch me degenerate until there's nothing left of the person I was.
Ummmmm... I realise I have strayed somewhat. Euthanasia - in principle I'm fine with it, as long as it's pretty clearly what the person would have wanted. In practice, I don't know if I'd actually be able to authorise the death of my parents or my sister. I guess you can never know until you're in the situation. Like I said at the top. I think these sort of things are really really individual decisions and very few people outside of the immediate situation have a right to have a say. For that reason I think it should be legal, but with safeguards and delays built-in (somehow).
Minx and Firelizard (and anyone else in this situation), my heart goes out to you and I hope you can find a way to deal with it that works for you.
My mum - quite Christian but in her own way, and a very determined, bloody-minded person - said: "Don't you dare switch me off. Ever." I think that the idea of giving up is so alien to her that she'd want to fight on until the very end. I think for me, unless we have a different conversation at some point, I wouldn't feel able to call time on her fight.
My dad - an atheist who watched his dad die slowly of some kind of degenerative disease that took his mind away first (not sure exactly what) has always been very clear that if the situation comes up, he is in favour of euthanasia. Since he has always been very clear about this I'd feel more able to respect his wishes, although it would obviously still be horrible.
For me - I never want to end up as a piece of meat, unable to move or talk or think or refrain from shitting. I've worked in a nursing home and I don't want to end up in one myself - not that I saw anything horrific, I just don't want ever to be in that state. But I don't want anyone to have to pull the plug either - if I have the opportunity, once the game is pretty much up, I'd like to take up going for walks that are too long. I'll try and shape my life so that I live near some hills, so that I can conveniently die of hypothermia watching the sun set one evening. I think that would be far better for my loved ones than having to watch me degenerate until there's nothing left of the person I was.
Ummmmm... I realise I have strayed somewhat. Euthanasia - in principle I'm fine with it, as long as it's pretty clearly what the person would have wanted. In practice, I don't know if I'd actually be able to authorise the death of my parents or my sister. I guess you can never know until you're in the situation. Like I said at the top. I think these sort of things are really really individual decisions and very few people outside of the immediate situation have a right to have a say. For that reason I think it should be legal, but with safeguards and delays built-in (somehow).
Minx and Firelizard (and anyone else in this situation), my heart goes out to you and I hope you can find a way to deal with it that works for you.
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i think its not fair to make poeple pay stupid sums just to crop their pictures before uploading
As for cropping pics using 'Extras', you can do that yourself if you have paid for a commercial package like Paint Shop Pro, which, I believe, is more than £25 a year.
Or use the entertainingly named "GIMP" - basically it does all the same stuff photoshop or paint shop pro do but it's open source, meaning you can legally download it for free at . And read about it at .
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TOMU
thanks for your input. This couple arent swingers and she was not snooping.
Hey, I'd just like to make it clear that I understood that the couple in question weren't swingers, and I didn't mean to cast aspersions about how the lady came to read the emails, and I apologise if I caused any offence to you.
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Isn't there some pleasure in seeing her enjoy herself?
For me that was a massive part of it - it seemed to unlock some kind of inner slut in her; she loved it and I loved that.
I guess there was an element of the "society doesn't like it" and an element of a kind of perverse possessiveness ("That's MY girl getting boned...") but a huge part of it was simply that it was someone I loved and found massively sexy really enjoying herself in a sexy way.
Well... no... it's not that... pictures of her masturbating don't do it half as much as the pictures of her getting fucked.
The pictures, by the way, are fucking sexy; I enjoyed the acts but the pictures somehow are a lot more erotic than it was even participating in them. Maybe because I get to study her face and know what she's thinking; study her body, in fact, in a way you can't really when you're there.
*sigh*.
The problem is that now we've split up (fairly recently), they're still sexy pictures. I still find myself looking at them; and constantly remind myself how lucky I had been to find someone I loved so much, who was so gorgeous who was into that sort of sexual behaviour.
*sigh*
Answers on a postcard - delete the pictures, or not?
Yes, it is, in a way.
Obviously, by virtue of the fact that we're having this discussion on a swingers' site, I would imagine that for most people here, the definition of cheating is not about the act but about the level of openness with which it is performed. Many of us here I'd have thought are happy for our partner to have sex with someone else as long as we're involved too, or present, or aware, or in some cases even made aware afterwards. But if we weren't aware and hadn't kind of given our consent for it to happen then it's a different matter.
It's not really about what he actually did. It's about the fact that it was behind her back. In many situations I would have been (and was) ok with (in fact turned on by) my ex fucking other men. But if I'd have found a series of erotic emails to someone else that she'd never told me about I would have felt very hurt. I totally sympathise with your friend feeling betrayed.
Just a little point in the other direction - if you read mail that isn't intended for your eyes, you're often going to find something that upsets you. Any feeling of betrayal has to be tempered by the awareness that in snooping you've yourself betrayed the trust of the other person. I speak from experience - I did that once, found something I didn't like, couldn't talk to my ex about it because I shouldn't have read it in the first place, and couldn't get it out of my head either. Very bad idea. Never again.
Obviously, by virtue of the fact that we're having this discussion on a swingers' site, I would imagine that for most people here, the definition of cheating is not about the act but about the level of openness with which it is performed. Many of us here I'd have thought are happy for our partner to have sex with someone else as long as we're involved too, or present, or aware, or in some cases even made aware afterwards. But if we weren't aware and hadn't kind of given our consent for it to happen then it's a different matter.
It's not really about what he actually did. It's about the fact that it was behind her back. In many situations I would have been (and was) ok with (in fact turned on by) my ex fucking other men. But if I'd have found a series of erotic emails to someone else that she'd never told me about I would have felt very hurt. I totally sympathise with your friend feeling betrayed.
Just a little point in the other direction - if you read mail that isn't intended for your eyes, you're often going to find something that upsets you. Any feeling of betrayal has to be tempered by the awareness that in snooping you've yourself betrayed the trust of the other person. I speak from experience - I did that once, found something I didn't like, couldn't talk to my ex about it because I shouldn't have read it in the first place, and couldn't get it out of my head either. Very bad idea. Never again.
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Hum. Interesting when you realise that what you think you think isn't what you think.
Yeah ....but ....what i think I think IS actually what I think I think !!!!! First time for me !!!! It`s brilliant !!
Ah, but do you really think you think what you think you think you think?
Er. I actually don't want there to be a referendum. Basically because I think that the European Union represents the only hope for the salvation of the human race, and if we had a referendum... the result would obviously go the wrong way.
Same reason I don't want a referendum on capital punishment... whoops, that was another thread...
Same reason I don't want a referendum on capital punishment... whoops, that was another thread...
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I think that "swinging" as a couple has a lot to do with "fun" and not so much to do with extra sex.
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We do it because it`s a laugh .....we would carry on without it because we just love being together.
If you "need" swinging to keep ya relationship then IMHO you should find another relationship
Hum. Interesting when you realise that what you think you think isn't what you think.
Yes, of course. And I guess I would always, absolutely have been ready to drop the swinging had my ex wanted to. Because of course I loved her. And of course swinging wasn't the main thing in our relationship, it was some occasional naughtiness that made things a bit more fun. (Our breakup was nothing to do with swinging, by the way).
That said.....It would be nice if it could be a part of my life again. As if I'd learned to play the trumpet and was really enjoying playing the trumpet and then someone took my trumpet away.
Mind you, I probably wouldn't date someone who wouldn't let me play the trumpet.
Here's a question: let's say you were part of a couple where swinging, group sex and other such activities were part of the relationship (and let's say you really enjoyed that). And then you broke up.
How easy or difficult (or indeed important) have you found it to find a new partner who's into that stuff?
It there anyone here who used to do swinging but has a current partner who's not into it, and so is now just here for the craic? Is there anyone who has actively sought out a partner who would like swinging? At what stage do you ask? (First date: "So... have you ever been double penetrated? Or eaten pussy?")
Or do you just roll the dice and see what comes up?
I'm asking cos I split up with my girlfriend a little while ago. This was my profile since before I met her (which was partly why I was so chuffed that she was into all this), so I've kept it now.
For me, I kind of feel that the genie is out of the bottle a bit. Now that I've seen the girl I love getting boned by another guy, I want to keep seeing it. And I really enjoyed the whole group sex thing. But I'd never want to do it with a partner who kind of wasn't really into it herself, and I wouldn't want to kind of lead someone into it.
Also, dammit! Getting people to meet you was a hell of easier when the profile had her pictures on it. She was (er, still is) gorgeous (sigh).
How easy or difficult (or indeed important) have you found it to find a new partner who's into that stuff?
It there anyone here who used to do swinging but has a current partner who's not into it, and so is now just here for the craic? Is there anyone who has actively sought out a partner who would like swinging? At what stage do you ask? (First date: "So... have you ever been double penetrated? Or eaten pussy?")
Or do you just roll the dice and see what comes up?
I'm asking cos I split up with my girlfriend a little while ago. This was my profile since before I met her (which was partly why I was so chuffed that she was into all this), so I've kept it now.
For me, I kind of feel that the genie is out of the bottle a bit. Now that I've seen the girl I love getting boned by another guy, I want to keep seeing it. And I really enjoyed the whole group sex thing. But I'd never want to do it with a partner who kind of wasn't really into it herself, and I wouldn't want to kind of lead someone into it.
Also, dammit! Getting people to meet you was a hell of easier when the profile had her pictures on it. She was (er, still is) gorgeous (sigh).
I don't really have a preference. I've never had a close encounter with a pair of implants, and it'd be quite fun just for novelty value.
On the other hand, a lot of my (unimplanted) girlfriends have felt strongly that implants are cheating, and I can sort of see that argument. And I also don't think that anyone should feel they HAVE to have bigger breasts - smaller ones can be just as beautiful.
I can see the argument that if you lost one for some reason you'd want to do something about that.
On the other hand, a lot of my (unimplanted) girlfriends have felt strongly that implants are cheating, and I can sort of see that argument. And I also don't think that anyone should feel they HAVE to have bigger breasts - smaller ones can be just as beautiful.
I can see the argument that if you lost one for some reason you'd want to do something about that.
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they would turn up on time, dressed and smelling nice, open doors for the lady, car dors , seats out etc.
so men, is it that when you meet a woman via swinging you feel they dont deserve the curtosey of having a door opened, or that you think they would be offended if you did this? do you act differently when socially meeting re swinging than if you were on a date?
If you were meeting me, you'd get all of that. I'd be paying you compliments relentlessly all night, I'd lend you my umbrella if we were outside in the rain, and I can dance. Ballroom, salsa, and my own special brand of slick moves.
That said, by the time I've travelled to Cornwall I'd probably be smelling a bit ripe.
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is it just the guys im meeting
Yes :-p
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And I'd always want to make sure the lady got home safely, unless she was really determined to go her own way.
My personal opinion is that it's something that really is only the business of the people in the situation. I don't think it's a decision the state or church has a right to make for people, which I guess means that I think it should be allowed.
I have no personal experience of this situation. I think if I did unexpectedly impregnate someone, I probably wouldn't want them to have an abortion; but then I'm 29 and I'm not likely to date anyone under, say, 21 or 22; in other words people into the (hopefully) self-sustaining phase of life.
If I did somehow impregnate a 16-year-old I can really understand how at that age you'd not want to become responsible for another human being, when you're not even ready to be responsible for yourself. And I'd want to not become a parent if I felt that I was not in a position to do it properly. I can understand also that I might feel that I didn't want to bring another person into the world if I was not sure that I could give them the best possible start. I know that if I was looking down the barrel of seeing all my plans for my life get totally wiped out before I'd had a chance to get started I'd really want to do something about that.
Above all though I understand that I can never feel the full weight of that decision without having to make it myself. Never having had to make it, I don't feel I have the right to make it on behalf of other people. I know friends who have taken both options, some having abortions and some, at a very young age, deciding to bring up the child, and I respect both decisions.
I don't think it's something that should be undertaken lightly, but then I think it probably very rarely is. I think it should be there as an option though.
I have no personal experience of this situation. I think if I did unexpectedly impregnate someone, I probably wouldn't want them to have an abortion; but then I'm 29 and I'm not likely to date anyone under, say, 21 or 22; in other words people into the (hopefully) self-sustaining phase of life.
If I did somehow impregnate a 16-year-old I can really understand how at that age you'd not want to become responsible for another human being, when you're not even ready to be responsible for yourself. And I'd want to not become a parent if I felt that I was not in a position to do it properly. I can understand also that I might feel that I didn't want to bring another person into the world if I was not sure that I could give them the best possible start. I know that if I was looking down the barrel of seeing all my plans for my life get totally wiped out before I'd had a chance to get started I'd really want to do something about that.
Above all though I understand that I can never feel the full weight of that decision without having to make it myself. Never having had to make it, I don't feel I have the right to make it on behalf of other people. I know friends who have taken both options, some having abortions and some, at a very young age, deciding to bring up the child, and I respect both decisions.
I don't think it's something that should be undertaken lightly, but then I think it probably very rarely is. I think it should be there as an option though.
Ok, I'm somewhat behind the times here and I'm kind of glad that all the shouting seems to be over, but I thought I'd chuck on my two pennies.
Just FYI, as someone who has worked inside a high-security jail, the answer is very. They come in on the lawyers and family members; when the prison cracked down on that, the prisoners figured out a way of putting them inside tennis balls and hitting them over the prison walls into the exercise yards; when the prison put nets over the tops, the prisoners started training training the pigeons to bring them in. So all the windows were meshed over... they found another way.
Or, what about this one - maybe the evidence was unsafe because they didn't actually do it. It's a very good thing that you can't be locked up or hung on the basis of "we all knew they did it". Proof is a far better standard.
Let's all take a moment to remember that Tony Martin was proven in court to have shot a child in the back with a gun as the child was running away.
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How hard can it be to stop drugs getting into prison?
Just FYI, as someone who has worked inside a high-security jail, the answer is very. They come in on the lawyers and family members; when the prison cracked down on that, the prisoners figured out a way of putting them inside tennis balls and hitting them over the prison walls into the exercise yards; when the prison put nets over the tops, the prisoners started training training the pigeons to bring them in. So all the windows were meshed over... they found another way.
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Should read my earlier post about convictions or being let off on " unsafe " evidence, when we all know people are guilty!!
Or, what about this one - maybe the evidence was unsafe because they didn't actually do it. It's a very good thing that you can't be locked up or hung on the basis of "we all knew they did it". Proof is a far better standard.
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...sentences meted out to victims such as Farmer Tony Martin...
Let's all take a moment to remember that Tony Martin was proven in court to have shot a child in the back with a gun as the child was running away.
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: but your in the wrong pool 
