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well_busty_babe
Over 90 days ago
Bi-curious Female, 46
Straight Male, 61
0 miles · Staffordshire

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this may be me being a little bit insensitive, but i dont mean to be. but feel free to not ansew if you dont want to.
with the "stone" femme and butch thing, does the butch get any PHYSICAL pleasure? i know that obviously you get the emotional pleasure and the close feeling, but if the femme does not touch you in a sexual way, how do you get sexual satisfaction? i really am interested in this, i have been googling and everything.
from what i have read now ( but i may be not understanding i guess) the stone fem is going to be getting sexual pleasure and seems to be getting a whale of a time lol.
is it because the emotional feeling of giving is more important than the sexual satisfaction for a stone butch? and for the stone fem, is it a feeling that they are atracted to the person, but are not atracted to females? if that makes sense!
i know what i am trying to ask, but it is not coming across well in words.
that was really interesting, the stone butch and stone femme are what really intruige me, i might do some research on it. thanks kiss
not ashamed, we are proud lol.
i would imagine there are two reasons, firstly security. anyone can look on the site, so you wouldnt want some journalist noticing your badge in the street and snapping pics of you, its better for just the real swingers to have the swingers badge, if that makes sense.
secondly, i think it may be something to do with the site is now commercial, unlike when the badges were first made.
kis i am really intruiged by the sub cattegory thing and stuff, please xpand on it, if people dont mid the threa hijack.
cheers hun
xxx
Quote by Juniper_couple
sorry, i had not noticed this post, i must have been replying to another one when u posted it. it seemed to me that you were trying to be arsey about what i was saying, if i am wrong then i appologise for my earlier reply to you.

I dont tend to do arsey and your opinion is as valid as anyones, i do question things and dont mind my own thoughts questioned either - to me that is all part of learning and accepting kissenough with the kissing! its not a bloody swinging site!!!!!!!!!!! lol :lol: :lol: :twisted:
Quote by VelvetTigers
but if she were already pregnant he wouldnt (is this fair? - or another can of worms!

you are determined that i am going to spend all day in the forum arnt you!!!!!! lol :lol: :lol:
Quote by lukes
well thank you for the very quick nice indeed so do you have any tips for me?

errrrrrrrr
galloping tiger in the 2;45 at aintree
hi, welcome to the mad house, leave your inhibitions at the door and dive in xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
personally i think the cock looking dildos are a bit freaky looking lol
give me a sparkly purple jelly feel one anyday lol
Quote by PoloLady
Edit: Actually I’ll come back to this – she doesn’t have a ‘right’ to be a parent.

noooo!!!!!
i actually deleted and then redid an earlier post of mine saying this, and decided against it as it would open up a whole new can of worms! now you have brought it up and i will feel the need to argue this point aswell now!
thanks a bunch! :twisted: evil mad lol
Quote by Juniper_couple
let those without sin cast the first stone etc etc

What has that got to do with people voicing an opinion? confused
errrr if you read the whole of that parragraph, not just the bit you have picked out you will see i was saying that WE ALL HAVE OPERTUNITY TO DO SELFLESS THINGS FOR OTHER PEOPLE YET THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME WE CHOSE NOT TO DO SO!
hence how can we judge him for not doing something for her?
meaning, only people who would always put other people first could look down on him for not doing so.
and i never said it was anything to do with an opinion!
that ok?
WBB i'm not trying to upset you, just asking a question - I did read all of your post and that is why i asked the above question as it did not make sense to me.
I now understand it is to do with judging, is not our opinions on lots of things judging? That is human nature !!
As to;
meaning, only people who would always put other people first could look down on him for not doing so.
Not really, everyone is entitled to an opinion, be it judging or not. sorry, i had not noticed this post, i must have been replying to another one when u posted it. it seemed to me that you were trying to be arsey about what i was saying, if i am wrong then i appologise for my earlier reply to you.
with regards to judging, yes i agree we all make our own judgements (as this thread has shown) lol but i guess i am trying to say that we can not condem him without condeming ourselves.
what i think kiss meant was like the fact that i am a vegetarian, but i eat pretend sausages!
i wouldnt eat the real thing, but can appreciate the substitute! lol
i have no issue with people killing foxes in a fast and painless as possible way if it is to protect their own livestock. fox gunting for pleasure is a whole different thing and i would happlilly string the hunters up by their balls.
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Conversely … I like mrs cuk to play with my ass ........... OMG am I gay? :shock:
of course you are!
did you not know?
what you need to do is shave your head, somewhere on your scalp you will find the "gay mark". that will prove it once and for all that you are indeed gay!
alternatively, it could be something to do with it just being a nice feeling!? dunno
Quote by Dawnie
he would have a child out there, it is not for her to decide if it costs him anything- maybe not in monetary terms but emotionally. he may be a person who could not bear to have a child walking the earth whom he does not have a relationship with

But that works both ways though. Why should he be allowed to decide that she can not have the chance to have HER child?
What about HER need to spend the rest of her life wanting a child? Feeling like she is missing out or not complete because for some, that is how they feel!
i really am not going to be allowed to keep out of this thread am i! lol
she may have a need to have a child, and its very sad that she will be unable to go ahead and have one. but it is not his fault that she is infertile, her wish for a child should not be allowed to remover his human rights to not have one.
Look, its this thread or the sodding quiz :lol2:
It isn't either persons fault that she is infertile. Its rarely anyones fault!
He is removing her human rights by refusing to let her use the embryos that are as much hers as they are his.
I honestly think he is being a bastard by not allowing her to attempt to use these embryos. The chance of them working is very low but it is her only chance sad i know its her only chance, thats why i feel desperatley sorry for her. but there are lots of people who are unable to have children or at least go through the process of giving birth to them and carrying them. If we all decided to donate our eggs these people may have the chance to do that, but most of us choose not to. i feel that makes all of us as selfish as he is in this case. i feel that its very important that she agreed to do it knowing he could pull out at any time. how morally wrong would it be for us to say to him "yeah, we know you have the right not to do it, but we are ignoring you and making you a father anyway because its her only chance". if we allowed him to be made a father against his will, where would it stop? what else could we force people to do in the name of "fairness or sympathy"? the only thing i think he is gulity of is maybe getting her hopes up wrongly, and if he IS motivated by spite, then he has to live with that, and it wont sit comfotably on his concience. if i had to choose a right, it would be the right of choice not to have a child over the right to have a child.
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he would have a child out there, it is not for her to decide if it costs him anything- maybe not in monetary terms but emotionally. he may be a person who could not bear to have a child walking the earth whom he does not have a relationship with

But that works both ways though. Why should he be allowed to decide that she can not have the chance to have HER child?
What about HER need to spend the rest of her life wanting a child? Feeling like she is missing out or not complete because for some, that is how they feel!
i really am not going to be allowed to keep out of this thread am i! lol
she may have a need to have a child, and its very sad that she will be unable to go ahead and have one. but it is not his fault that she is infertile, her wish for a child should not be allowed to remover his human rights to not have one.
Quote by Juniper_couple
let those without sin cast the first stone etc etc

What has that got to do with people voicing an opinion? confused
errrr if you read the whole of that parragraph, not just the bit you have picked out you will see i was saying that WE ALL HAVE OPERTUNITY TO DO SELFLESS THINGS FOR OTHER PEOPLE YET THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME WE CHOSE NOT TO DO SO!
hence how can we judge him for not doing something for her?
meaning, only people who would always put other people first could look down on him for not doing so.
and i never said it was anything to do with an opinion!
that ok?
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WBB I'm not trying to say you or anyone else is wrong, I'm giving my emotional opinion.
I stand by my original opinion but I also fully respect anyone elses thoughts on the matter.
never thought for a min you were hun. its a very emotional subject wich is why we all feel so strongly. the thing with this is that all any of us can do is give our own opionion becuase i guess there is no right or wrong is there.
i just did not want to keep posting because this is something quiote close to my heart and i dont want to get myself too worked up about it, its not that i have an issue with you or anyone else o this thread.
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when she had the embryos fertilised it was done as embryoes because of problems with freezing just eggs. he did not have the embryos frozen because he agreed to have children there and then, he did it because it was the only way that they could keep the options open.
it all boils down to the fact that HAD they said to him " have this done and then you have no choice in what heppens" and had he gone ahead, then he would have had no right of argument,
but to say to someone " have this done to keep your options open, you can change your mind at ANY TIME ( as they DID tell him)" and then when he does change his mind as he was told he could, to tell him its too late, well that would have been to trick him into it!
i can never see any justification for forcing someone into parent hood, and thats what we would have been doing to him.
had a man tried to force a woman to have a child against her will i would have had the same amount of indignity on her behalf too.

Freezing eggs does happen and does work. Mrs Kiss was offered the opportunity before she started chemo.
Anyway I digress, this woman is so desperate for her own child she has told her ex that she expects absolutely nothing from him.
He may have been 'forced' in some way to become a parent, but at the same time he is forcing her into a situation where she will never have her own child.
this really is the last time i am replying, someone pleaelock me out of this thread! lol lol
with regards to the eggs being frozen, over 5 years ago, when she was having this done, freezing eggs alone COULD be done, but there was a very low possibility of it working, something to do with the eggs exploding, the possibility of emryos working was much higher. freezing eggs alone was not as widely offered.
but for the other point, she might not expect anything from him, but that fact is that he would have a child out there, it is not for her to decide if it costs him anything- maybe not in monetary terms but emotionally. he may be a person who could not bear to have a child walking the earth whom he does not have a relationship with, niether may he be able to bear having a child with THIS woman. none of us can judge his motives for not wanting to father a child with her, i for one hope they are genuine, as spite is a nasty thing, but regardless of what they may be, he is entitled to decide if he becomes a father or not. like i said before, she agreed that he could change his mind at any point, yet she still went ahead. she knew it was not a garuntee, its very sad that its not worked out how she would have liked, but when you make a bet, you dont always win.
i feel very sad that this man has had to justify evrything, i myself have been in a realtionship in the past where we planned to have children in the future. i am no longer with the man now, and if he turned up at my door demanding i have a child with him because i agreed to in the past, i would run him from my door!
he is not forcing her not to have a child, he is just not enabling it, it is two totally different things. like i have said, on a day to day baysis - we ALL have things were we would if we wanted make things better for someone else, often we choose not to do so. he has done this on this occasion.
let those without sin cast the first stone etc etc
just to say i am not going to post in this thread any more, not because i have a problem with anyone else view or any of the posters, but its something i feel VERY strongly about and find it hard to discuss it without getting a bit anoyed.
wbb
xx
when she had the embryos fertilised it was done as embryoes because of problems with freezing just eggs. he did not have the embryos frozen because he agreed to have children there and then, he did it because it was the only way that they could keep the options open.
it all boils down to the fact that HAD they said to him " have this done and then you have no choice in what heppens" and had he gone ahead, then he would have had no right of argument,
but to say to someone " have this done to keep your options open, you can change your mind at ANY TIME ( as they DID tell him)" and then when he does change his mind as he was told he could, to tell him its too late, well that would have been to trick him into it!
i can never see any justification for forcing someone into parent hood, and thats what we would have been doing to him.
had a man tried to force a woman to have a child against her will i would have had the same amount of indignity on her behalf too.
just as a related point, if anyone on here had a request to have a child with their ex, how many would do it?
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In my opinion he signed away his rights to withdraw when the embryo was created.
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but thats what this all centers on, he never. they BOTH signed an agreement stating that if EITHER of them changed heir mind, then it would not take place. so he has stuck to the agreement, if we want to blame someone, its actually HER who has changed what they agreed on not him!
i DO feel sympathy for her, but when it comes down to it he nver agreed to father her children, he agreed to keep the options open for them to have children at a later date. now that later date has come he has made a choice that he does not want to have children with her, what kind of society would we be to force him to do so?
it is not his fault that she is unable to bear children, had he not have existed she would still not have been able to bear children. this man had the option of giving her a chance to have children admitedly, but he is not obliged to do so! i will recall my previous example of we can all offer to donate parts of ourselves to help others, but how many of us actually do so?!
just because you CAN do something to help someone, it does not mean you are legally or even morally required to do so.
all the people who believe that he is being selfish not fathering a child for her, should you not feel the same way about every other childish person?
if he is wrong for not becoming a father for her sake, then are we all not wrong for not donating our eggs and sperm to other infertile people?
because that what we are asking him to do, donate his dn and whatever to become a child with her.
i would not do egg donation as i do not like the thought of some one else having my child, if i was to have children i would want them to be with someone i loved and ared about, i am sure the majority of you feel the same.
why can we not afford this man the same respect for his choice?
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WBB- I recon you take the prize for "most hated person on SH" right now :giggle:
Only joking hun :giggle:

whats new!!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
lol
being the reciever of strapon sex is not about pretending you are being done by a man, its about a nice feeling, physically, for a woman having something thrust in and out inside you is a good feeling, thats what the strap on gives.
lesbians are attracted to women and not men, so they have sex with women! quite simple really, it does not stop the physical desires to have a good fucking lol.