New laws against 'am I bovvered' kids

1 Apr 2007

Taken from an internet report this evening...
"New laws against the "am I bovvered?" generation of unruly schoolchildren have been introduced.
Teachers will be able to use "reasonable force" with aggressive youngsters, confiscate mobile phones and hand out Saturday detentions....."
(For dear Freckledbird.. Yes I have the reference! :giggle: )
Seriously tho.. when I was a young child, there was punishment in school on the lines of ruler over the head, backside smacking, lines, etc etc.
Where has it all gone wrong? Now they are talking about confiscating mobiles FFS.. bring back lines! it didn't do us any harm and I can tell you we had much much more respect for our teachers.
Oh dear I'm showing my age now... sad

Am I the only one that thinks this way?

1 Apr 2007

Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm! biggrin

Sorry... couldn't resist! :giggle:

1 Apr 2007

I dont believe that hitting children is the right thing, it makes me angry. Teachers arent super heroes they cant work with some children and its a shame. Things like hitting a child should never be allowed it school again, as for the lines part surely making a child who hates school come back on a saturday to write lines will make them hate it even more.

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Drewxcore
I dont believe that hitting children is the right thing, it makes me angry. Teachers arent super heroes they cant work with some children and its a shame. Things like hitting a child should never be allowed it school again, as for the lines part surely making a child who hates school come back on a saturday to write lines will make them hate it even more.

I agree Drew, there's other ways than hitting kids..but surely giving a child lines will make them think twice about their behaviour as opposed to having their mobile confiscated til home time! :shock:

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Dirtygirlie
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!

Sorry... couldn't resist! :giggle:

10 more for insolence!

1 Apr 2007

Quote by jaymar
I dont believe that hitting children is the right thing, it makes me angry. Teachers arent super heroes they cant work with some children and its a shame. Things like hitting a child should never be allowed it school again, as for the lines part surely making a child who hates school come back on a saturday to write lines will make them hate it even more.

I agree Drew, there's other ways than hitting kids..but surely giving a child lines will make them think twice about their behaviour as opposed to having their mobile confiscated til home time! :shock:
i stand by what i said. Alot of children hate school, making them stay behind isnt going to make them like it anymore, although i do admit it may quell (is that a word?) bad behaviour, but perhaps not permanently.

1 Apr 2007

Quote by jaymar
Taken from an internet report this evening...
"New laws against the "am I bovvered?" generation of unruly schoolchildren have been introduced.
Teachers will be able to use "reasonable force" with aggressive youngsters, confiscate mobile phones and hand out Saturday detentions....."
(For dear Freckledbird.. Yes I have the reference! :giggle: )
Seriously tho.. when I was a young child, there was punishment in school on the lines of ruler over the head, backside smacking, lines, etc etc.
Where has it all gone wrong? Now they are talking about confiscating mobiles FFS.. bring back lines! it didn't do us any harm and I can tell you we had much much more respect for our teachers.
Oh dear I'm showing my age now...
Am I the only one that thinks this way?

You've said it's from the WWW. It bugs me when people post what is clearly not their own yet try to pass it off as such (posting style, spelling and grammar mistakes in their usual posts but then there are none). I'ts quite naughty to do it anyway.
I wouldn't use any force to discipline my class - but then, I don't need to. My expectations are quite clear and my class know the consequences if they don't comply. Lines actually have worked for some children in our school.

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Drewxcore
I dont believe that hitting children is the right thing, it makes me angry. Teachers arent super heroes they cant work with some children and its a shame. Things like hitting a child should never be allowed it school again, as for the lines part surely making a child who hates school come back on a saturday to write lines will make them hate it even more.

I agree Drew, there's other ways than hitting kids..but surely giving a child lines will make them think twice about their behaviour as opposed to having their mobile confiscated til home time! :shock:
i stand by what i said. Alot of children hate school, making them stay behind isnt going to make them like it anymore, although i do admit it may quell (is that a word?) bad behaviour, but perhaps not permanently.
Throughout the decades there has never been an instance whereby children 'liked' school, some did some didn't - that will never change, BUT behaviour is getting worse and I for one (being a parent of a child who I admit has been in trouble before by taking a phone into class) believe punishment should be more than a mere confiscation.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Drew, the age difference my well be the cause, you have never known the punishments from 20 years ago so I acknowlege your views lol

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Freckledbird
Taken from an internet report this evening...
"New laws against the "am I bovvered?" generation of unruly schoolchildren have been introduced.
Teachers will be able to use "reasonable force" with aggressive youngsters, confiscate mobile phones and hand out Saturday detentions....."
(For dear Freckledbird.. Yes I have the reference! :giggle: )
Seriously tho.. when I was a young child, there was punishment in school on the lines of ruler over the head, backside smacking, lines, etc etc.
Where has it all gone wrong? Now they are talking about confiscating mobiles FFS.. bring back lines! it didn't do us any harm and I can tell you we had much much more respect for our teachers.
Oh dear I'm showing my age now...
Am I the only one that thinks this way?

You've said it's from the WWW. It bugs me when people post what is clearly not their own yet try to pass it off as such (posting style, spelling and grammar mistakes in their usual posts but then there are none). I'ts quite naughty to do it anyway.

Huh? I haven't tried to pass this article off as my own!!!.. hence the " and my joke about it being referenced...and the fact I said "taken from an internet report"

1 Apr 2007

Quote by jaymar
Taken from an internet report this evening...
"New laws against the "am I bovvered?" generation of unruly schoolchildren have been introduced.
Teachers will be able to use "reasonable force" with aggressive youngsters, confiscate mobile phones and hand out Saturday detentions....."
(For dear Freckledbird.. Yes I have the reference! :giggle: )
Seriously tho.. when I was a young child, there was punishment in school on the lines of ruler over the head, backside smacking, lines, etc etc.
Where has it all gone wrong? Now they are talking about confiscating mobiles FFS.. bring back lines! it didn't do us any harm and I can tell you we had much much more respect for our teachers.
Oh dear I'm showing my age now...
Am I the only one that thinks this way?

You've said it's from the WWW. It bugs me when people post what is clearly not their own yet try to pass it off as such (posting style, spelling and grammar mistakes in their usual posts but then there are none). I'ts quite naughty to do it anyway.

Huh? I haven't tried to pass this article off as my own!!!.. hence the " and my joke about it being referenced...and the fact I said "taken from an internet report"
dont worry about it kiss

Perhaps we should go back to the days of school duels, whippings and thumbscrews :giggle: (ok i dont know if they have ever used thumbscrews)

1 Apr 2007

Quote by jaymar
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Drew, the age difference my well be the cause, you have never known the punishments from 20 years ago so I acknowlege your views

I think this is another one (maybe they all are?) where experience dictates opinions. Im in my 40s but from an abusive childhood - and I agree with Drew. I don't think there is a place for violence from any party in the classroom.
In edit - I see now your post was advocating none-violent means of punishment - sorry.

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Drewxcore
Taken from an internet report this evening...
"New laws against the "am I bovvered?" generation of unruly schoolchildren have been introduced.
Teachers will be able to use "reasonable force" with aggressive youngsters, confiscate mobile phones and hand out Saturday detentions....."
(For dear Freckledbird.. Yes I have the reference! :giggle: )
Seriously tho.. when I was a young child, there was punishment in school on the lines of ruler over the head, backside smacking, lines, etc etc.
Where has it all gone wrong? Now they are talking about confiscating mobiles FFS.. bring back lines! it didn't do us any harm and I can tell you we had much much more respect for our teachers.
Oh dear I'm showing my age now...
Am I the only one that thinks this way?

You've said it's from the WWW. It bugs me when people post what is clearly not their own yet try to pass it off as such (posting style, spelling and grammar mistakes in their usual posts but then there are none). I'ts quite naughty to do it anyway.

Huh? I haven't tried to pass this article off as my own!!!.. hence the " and my joke about it being referenced...and the fact I said "taken from an internet report"
dont worry about it kiss

Perhaps we should go back to the days of school duels, whippings and thumbscrews :giggle: (ok i dont know if they have ever used thumbscrews)
I'm not worried about it hun, I'm just a bit confuzzled... I always us " marks when I'm taking a piece from elsewhere.. confused

1 Apr 2007

Quote by jaymar
Huh? I haven't tried to pass this article off as my own!!!.. hence the " and my joke about it being referenced...and the fact I said "taken from an internet report"

I know you haven't - that's what I was saying! lol

Other people do though.

1 Apr 2007

Now, my take on this is that, hitting my child, be it with a ruler or a hand or even pulling their arm - will result in me prosecuting that teacher for assault - I just would not stand for it ever !!!!
Lines, detention, chores etc, yes they can instil discipline in some, others, it will never make a difference with and can result in the child becoming more unruly.
As for after school or saturday detention, no, this is my time with my children (keep it within school times, breaks etc). Home time is my time and in my opinion, if my child needs some sort of punishment outside of those hours, i will decide what, if and when - not the school as i am their parent.

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Cherrytree

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Drew, the age difference my well be the cause, you have never known the punishments from 20 years ago so I acknowlege your views

I think this is another one (maybe they all are?) where experience dictates opinions. Im in my 40s but from an abusive childhood - and I agree with Drew. I don't think there is a place for violence from any party in the classroom.
Nobody is talking violence, where is the violence bit coming from?? I hate smacking kids actually and I've gone 15 years without having to smack my own. In my thread I suggested the return of lines. I'm away to bed, me thinks everyone is getting tired and grumpy!

1 Apr 2007

Quote by jaymar
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!
Nope... I'm right with you, lines and detention never did me any harm!

Sorry... couldn't resist! :giggle:

10 more for insolence!
redface

I totally hear what you're saying Jaymar... although I don't think that bringing back the belt is the answer (it was abolished before I got there which is kinda lucky although I might have found my liking for spanking earlier than I did had it not been!) lol

I'll probably be flamed for this but I think the responsibility for that sort of discipline lies with the parents. Most of my lines and detentions were for being late or smoking as opposed to giving cheek or doing something wrong but our school wrote out letters to the parents if we'd been caught doing something really wrong. It was up to them to do something about it.
I hated school... getting lines and/or detention didn't make me hate it more, I just made more of an effort not to get caught! biggrin

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Freckledbird

Huh? I haven't tried to pass this article off as my own!!!.. hence the " and my joke about it being referenced...and the fact I said "taken from an internet report"

I know you haven't - that's what I was saying! lol

Other people do though.
oooooooooooh :doh:

1 Apr 2007

Jaymar - I edited before I saw this last post kiss

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Juniper_couple
Now, my take on this is that, hitting my child, be it with a ruler or a hand or even pulling their arm - will result in me prosecuting that teacher for assault - I just would not stand for it ever !!!!
Lines, detention, chores etc, yes they can instil discipline in some, others, it will never make a difference with and can result in the child becoming more unruly.
As for after school or saturday detention, no, this is my time with my children (keep it within school times, breaks etc). Home time is my time and in my opinion, if my child needs some sort of punishment outside of those hours, i will decide what, if and when - not the school as i am their parent.

You are very right JC... my daughter had a day's exclusion as punishment for taking her mobile into school. She loved it, lay in bed while I was at work, watching TV etc - until I came home!.. I can tell you the punishment she received from me had much more effect than the schools, no pocket money for a month, grounding - that did the trick! lol

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Dirtygirlie
I totally hear what you're saying Jaymar... although I don't think that bringing back the belt is the answer (it was abolished before I got there which is kinda lucky although I might have found my liking for spanking earlier than I did had it not been!) I'll probably be flamed for this but I think the responsibility for that sort of discipline lies with the parents. Most of my lines and detentions were for being late or smoking as opposed to giving cheek or doing something wrong but our school wrote out letters to the parents if we'd been caught doing something really wrong. It was up to them to do something about it.
I hated school... getting lines and/or detention didn't make me hate it more, I just made more of an effort not to get caught!

Only trouble is when the parents discipline the kids at home the kids report them to the authorities rolleyes

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Cherrytree
Jaymar - I edited before I saw this last post

bless you, I'm still laughing at the sozzled Cherry who chatted the other week in the chatroom! lol

1 Apr 2007

Yes, with that pint of whiskey.... :shock:

1 Apr 2007

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Mallock2006

I totally hear what you're saying Jaymar... although I don't think that bringing back the belt is the answer (it was abolished before I got there which is kinda lucky although I might have found my liking for spanking earlier than I did had it not been!) I'll probably be flamed for this but I think the responsibility for that sort of discipline lies with the parents. Most of my lines and detentions were for being late or smoking as opposed to giving cheek or doing something wrong but our school wrote out letters to the parents if we'd been caught doing something really wrong. It was up to them to do something about it.
I hated school... getting lines and/or detention didn't make me hate it more, I just made more of an effort not to get caught!

Only trouble is when the parents discipline the kids at home the kids report them to the authorities rolleyes

I don't know the answer Mallock... I just know that I was disciplined physically by my parents and it taught me the difference between right and wrong. I would no more have called in authorities nor fly in the air, in my day the adult knew best and in hindsight they absolutely did. I'm not sure what's wrong with this society but there is something seriously wrong. I don't like it.
I've had the conversation with my brother who is of the opinion that he will never have kids because he doesn't want to bring children into the world we live in. I think that's a bit sad really. However, we've both said that should either of us have kids then we would bring them up exactly the same way our parents brought us up, including discipline.

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Dirtygirlie

I totally hear what you're saying Jaymar... although I don't think that bringing back the belt is the answer (it was abolished before I got there which is kinda lucky although I might have found my liking for spanking earlier than I did had it not been!) I'll probably be flamed for this but I think the responsibility for that sort of discipline lies with the parents. Most of my lines and detentions were for being late or smoking as opposed to giving cheek or doing something wrong but our school wrote out letters to the parents if we'd been caught doing something really wrong. It was up to them to do something about it.
I hated school... getting lines and/or detention didn't make me hate it more, I just made more of an effort not to get caught!

Only trouble is when the parents discipline the kids at home the kids report them to the authorities rolleyes

I don't know the answer Mallock... I just know that I was disciplined physically by my parents and it taught me the difference between right and wrong. I would no more have called in authorities nor fly in the air, in my day the adult knew best and in hindsight they absolutely did. I'm not sure what's wrong with this society but there is something seriously wrong. I don't like it.
I've had the conversation with my brother who is of the opinion that he will never have kids because he doesn't want to bring children into the world we live in. I think that's a bit sad really. However, we've both said that should either of us have kids then we would bring them up exactly the same way our parents brought us up, including discipline.
I wasnt disagreeing with ya biggrin

I am a firm believer in children being taught as much by their parents as they are by the schools....
Its just that option has been taken away from parents nowadays...

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Dirtygirlie

I totally hear what you're saying Jaymar... although I don't think that bringing back the belt is the answer (it was abolished before I got there which is kinda lucky although I might have found my liking for spanking earlier than I did had it not been!) I'll probably be flamed for this but I think the responsibility for that sort of discipline lies with the parents. Most of my lines and detentions were for being late or smoking as opposed to giving cheek or doing something wrong but our school wrote out letters to the parents if we'd been caught doing something really wrong. It was up to them to do something about it.
I hated school... getting lines and/or detention didn't make me hate it more, I just made more of an effort not to get caught!

Only trouble is when the parents discipline the kids at home the kids report them to the authorities rolleyes

I don't know the answer Mallock... I just know that I was disciplined physically by my parents and it taught me the difference between right and wrong. I would no more have called in authorities nor fly in the air, in my day the adult knew best and in hindsight they absolutely did. I'm not sure what's wrong with this society but there is something seriously wrong. I don't like it.
I've had the conversation with my brother who is of the opinion that he will never have kids because he doesn't want to bring children into the world we live in. I think that's a bit sad really. However, we've both said that should either of us have kids then we would bring them up exactly the same way our parents brought us up, including discipline.
I can understand this DG... I have more or less brought my daughter up with the same values and ethics as my own parents.. with one exception - I don't use a belt on her, I don't hit her on the head and I don't belittle her and make her feel like she shouldn't have been born.
I have my own ways of disciplining my teen and it's ways that'll affect her deeply, I use the MSN/computer ban mostly, no pocket money and no mobile phone usage, she is gutted when I do but it works.
The smackings didn't hurt me as a person, I just chose not to do the same with my own offspring only because I wanted the cycle to stop. :cry:

1 Apr 2007

Quote by Mallock2006
I wasnt disagreeing with ya
I am a firm believer in children being taught as much by their parents as they are by the schools....
Its just that option has been taken away from parents nowadays...

I know you weren't... I just read mine back and should have put some smilies in! wink

It's rubbish really... but then there are so many things different now... like leaving the front door unlocked all day and not worrying about it or us buggering off on our bikes in the morning and not coming home till late with no mobiles or contact. We just went home in time to be fed! biggrin

No-one worried about us... kids were able to have some fun without our parents fearing all sorts.
I'm getting old huh? lol

1 Apr 2007

Quote by jaymar
I can understand this DG... I have more or less brought my daughter up with the same values and ethics as my own parents.. with one exception - I don't use a belt on her, I don't hit her on the head and I don't belittle her and make her feel like she shouldn't have been born.
I have my own ways of disciplining my teen and it's ways that'll affect her deeply, I use the MSN/computer ban mostly, no pocket money and no mobile phone usage, she is gutted when I do but it works.
The smackings didn't hurt me as a person, I just chose not to do the same with my own offspring only because I wanted the cycle to stop. :cry:

I think most people bring their kids up they way they were brought up... it's human nature. To be honest, being grounded for me was more effective than anything else, I had an avid social life! Although when I got caught coming back in my bedroom window I think my mum despaired! lol

I was a bit of a rebel... can you tell?! lol

1 Apr 2007

Quote by jaymar
You are very right JC... my daughter had a day's exclusion as punishment for taking her mobile into school. She loved it, lay in bed while I was at work, watching TV etc - until I came home!.. I can tell you the punishment she received from me had much more effect than the schools, no pocket money for a month, grounding - that did the trick!

I think that this is my point exactly - generally, i was good at school (i did hit a teacher once, but that is a whole different story and was not the norm)
Anyway, my point is; the parenting was stricter and omg we had respect for teachers instilled by our parents. By that, i dont mean by fear but that as kids we wanted to please and did have respect for others.
There was none of this sign the bottom of a form thing either to say you have received a letter etc, but an actual conversation between parent and teacher - yes, i know that for some it will not make a difference, but for a lot of parents, nipping things in the bud early and being made aware can help schools immensely. Fortunately, the schools i have chose, do live by this ethos most of the time and i do believe it makes a difference.

1 Apr 2007

iv just been on a " latin" site and cant fined the right speling ( thick git i know rolleyes

)
what ever hapened to " lowcorporentic" (sp?)i was lead to belive its where a teacher acts as perent dunno

what exactly dose it meen ?
and do we still practice it in school's?
dunno