A LEADING Tory think tank is urging people from cities in the north of England to move south if they want a better life.
Cities such as Liverpool are beyond revival and millions of their residents should move to London and the South-east instead, the Policy Exchange think tank claims
Is this another sign of neglect for the northerners from the Tories if they ever get back to power or a realistic fact?...
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Quote by Phuckers
A LEADING Tory think tank is urging people from cities in the north of England to move south if they want a better life.
Cities such as Liverpool are beyond revival and millions of their residents should move to London and the South-east instead, the Policy Exchange think tank claims
Is this another sign of neglect for the northerners from the Tories if they ever get back to power or a realistic fact?...
Well I was born and raised in Liverpool. Have lived in Newcastle (and will be heading back there soon) but have spent most of my working life down south - things are what you make them I think and I've done OK wherever I've been based. I think a lot of people are far too quick to blame others/cirscumstance/demographics for their situation when at the end of the day we are all responsible for our own futures.
I picked up a hitchhiker last night on my way back across from Derbyshire and he was a breath of fresh air. In a 40 minute car journey he told me how he'd been born in Stockport, got into drugs at a young age, turned himself around in 1999 and had held down a job for 9 years, that he'd' just been made redundant from. He told me he was going to South Wales to start again... good man, I say :thumbup:
Quote by sparky33
Shades of Norman Tebbit, stop all the economic migrants and there will be plenty of jobs.
Probably get flamed now, but it's my political view.
There are over a million poles in this country now and thats without all the other migrants.
If we had none at all we would still have the same ammount out of work, but with a lot more jobs. Where did all these jobs come from? They were there all along its just that it seems an easier life on benefits ( for some ). If a million poles can find work why can't many others?
As for Northerners coming down south for work, what a sad state of affairs that is. The North seems to get a rougher ride than down south, but then always have. Invest more in the north but sorry to say the only thing we are now known for is banking and finance. Most of the other skills we used to have have been sold down the river.
Quote by kentswingers777
Shades of Norman Tebbit, stop all the economic migrants and there will be plenty of jobs.
Probably get flamed now, but it's my political view.
There are over a million poles in this country now and thats without all the other migrants.
If we had none at all we would still have the same ammount out of work, but with a lot more jobs. Where did all these jobs come from? They were there all along its just that it seems an easier life on benefits ( for some ). If a million poles can find work why can't many others?As for Northerners coming down south for work, what a sad state of affairs that is. The North seems to get a rougher ride than down south, but then always have. Invest more in the north but sorry to say the only thing we are now known for is banking and finance. Most of the other skills we used to have have been sold down the river.
good points kent777,but it must be a small %age of poles working up north,i think the labour govt. has done little investment too
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Well thousands of Poles in Scotland, in the garage my pal works in there are three, working for lower wages, that is three scottish mechanins out of work, and there are laods in the building trade, again, undercutting locals, and they do nothing for the local economy, as the money goes back to poland.
Sorry mate but if you don't think bringing the price of labour down isn't doing something for the economy then you need to do some reading up.
Part of the problem plaguing dodgy economies these days is the rising price of everything. The two biggest culprits for the rise in prices is transport and labour. You decrease either or both of those and it has a beneficial effect on the economy. Production costs come down, purchase costs come down, inflation comes down.
Part of the problem in this country is people wanting more and more for doing less and less, now we're paying the price after decades of spiralling labour costs. If there's a culture of migrant workers bringing down those labour costs then that's a good thing.
Though I am in agreement that economic migration is having a detrimental effect on British jobs, it does have to be said that we are the architects of our own problems.
As for not doing anything for the local economy? Do they get their food and clothes etc flown in from Poland?
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I don't know where you get the idea that lower labour costs benefits the economy, there are now fewer first time buyers in the working classes than there have been for decades, because the wages aren't enough to afford the house prices.
Have you ever asked yourself why that's the case?
What do you think would happen to house prices if the average wage decreased year after year instead of rising?
The cheap labour benefits the bank balance of the employer, no-one else.
In a micro-economy yes. In a world view no.
Simply fact of the matter is, there isn't enough labour available to support the influx of migrants, who are economic, nothing more.
That I'll agree with unreservedly, but please don't say it's bad for the economy as it isn't.
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Well thousands of Poles in Scotland, in the garage my pal works in there are three, working for lower wages, that is three scottish mechanins out of work, and there are laods in the building trade, again, undercutting locals, and they do nothing for the local economy, as the money goes back to poland.
I have three poles working at my work. It's funny you know how they work. When we first employed them it has to be said, they were so hard working it was untrue. We employ them for two weeks every month.
Now fast forward 12 months and one of them has not worked for us for some 3 months as she was at college. When she came here last week she has surely picked up the " British disease ". That is she now realises that Brits don't want to work as hard for their money, so her attitude to another Pole was to slow down the work rate. :shock: She was when we first employed her the most hard working out of all of them. Now she realises that she will get the same money for working less.
It is true that they do send home about 30% of their money each month but it is also true they still have to eat and clothe themselves over here. My arguement is as always, where have all these jobs come from that the Poles are now doing? It is true some employers have used this to cut down their wage bill, just to suit their own pockets, would we all not do the same? We pay the going rate for the work they do and apart from that one person the rest are just so hard working you really would not believe.
Sex God
Now, being a proud Northerner born and bred, who has however lived and worked down South, I have tried to stay away from this thread for fear I may have trouble stepping down from this particular soapbox...
Alfred Lord Tennyson once wrote that:
"bright and fierce and fickle is the South
And dark and true and tender is the North".
Give me the truth and the tenderness of England's northern regions any day. Dark? Well, if you mean dark as in weather then we're a hardy bunch and we're not going to melt, drown or otherwise capitulate. In fact, we'll laugh it off...
Or maybe these journalists say it better than I could:
"To go north is to be checked by salutary experiences: the shopkeeper who, when asked the way to a particular street, steps out of his shop the better to direct you; the woman on the train who gives you a conspiratorial smile as you tell some feeble joke to your children. If the north ever does become economically unviable, it might at least function as a standing moral corrective to the south."
Andrew Martin
"Policy Exchange's is a different order of foolishness: not a glib and badly timed faux-pas but vapid opinion, masquerading as research. We may never make ships or dig coal again - which is a tragedy - but anyone who has walked along the new Tyne riverscape, stayed at the Lowry Hotel, Manchester, or lounged at the fabled pavement cafes of Leeds will know that, as the Fall once predicted, the north has risen again."
Stuart Maconie
"I have left behind the dissembling, overblown, grubby, stuck-up south and arrived back where I belong; where it's clean, spiky, tough, straightforward, unpretentious and beautiful. Pay northerners to move south?
As Prince Charles might say, count me out."
Jenni Murray
I used to live and work in London, and whilst I appreciate London is not the epitome of all things 'south' I can only speak from my own experience. I told myself, after months of being looked at oddly when I said 'thank you' to the bus conductor every time I got off the bus, that the day I stopped this peculiarly northern habit (or so I was told on several occasions by fellow passengers) was the day that I had been in London too long.
Strangely enough, that's what happened. I returned home to the North where, in my opinion and to paraphrase Tennyson, it may be dark but the people are tender and true.
It's my home. I'm proud of it.
Nola x
Alfred Lord Tennyson once wrote that:
"bright and fierce and fickle is the South
And dark and true and tender is the North".
Give me the truth and the tenderness of England's northern regions any day. Dark? Well, if you mean dark as in weather then we're a hardy bunch and we're not going to melt, drown or otherwise capitulate. In fact, we'll laugh it off...
Or maybe these journalists say it better than I could:
"To go north is to be checked by salutary experiences: the shopkeeper who, when asked the way to a particular street, steps out of his shop the better to direct you; the woman on the train who gives you a conspiratorial smile as you tell some feeble joke to your children. If the north ever does become economically unviable, it might at least function as a standing moral corrective to the south."
Andrew Martin
"Policy Exchange's is a different order of foolishness: not a glib and badly timed faux-pas but vapid opinion, masquerading as research. We may never make ships or dig coal again - which is a tragedy - but anyone who has walked along the new Tyne riverscape, stayed at the Lowry Hotel, Manchester, or lounged at the fabled pavement cafes of Leeds will know that, as the Fall once predicted, the north has risen again."
Stuart Maconie
"I have left behind the dissembling, overblown, grubby, stuck-up south and arrived back where I belong; where it's clean, spiky, tough, straightforward, unpretentious and beautiful. Pay northerners to move south?
As Prince Charles might say, count me out."
Jenni Murray
I used to live and work in London, and whilst I appreciate London is not the epitome of all things 'south' I can only speak from my own experience. I told myself, after months of being looked at oddly when I said 'thank you' to the bus conductor every time I got off the bus, that the day I stopped this peculiarly northern habit (or so I was told on several occasions by fellow passengers) was the day that I had been in London too long.
Strangely enough, that's what happened. I returned home to the North where, in my opinion and to paraphrase Tennyson, it may be dark but the people are tender and true.
It's my home. I'm proud of it.
Nola x
I was born in Yorkshire, and moved to the south when I was 13. I have popped up periodically, and was up there lots three years ago when my brother was terminally ill from cancer.
The difference is astounding.. you smile at people up north, and they smile back. In Oxford and London they look at you like you have a mental illness... a couple of weeks ago when my other half and I went to London, we went on the underground, and a lady was struggling with a pram and kids. We carried the pram down the steps for her, and waited at the bottom. The look on her face told me that she thought we were going to nick her pram. When she said thank you, we said "no problem.. we don't live here so we're friendly"! she giggled then and nodded!
Even though the economy is really bad in the North, I think I would rather live on beans on toast and be happy, than move down south and get ignored. I lost my temper last week when six people in a row walked straight into me.. I wacked the last one with my backpack...
Whereas last time I went up north, I got bumped into a couple of times, and both people asked if I was ok... don't get that down here...
I am not going to get involved with the polish debate as I have had nothing but good workers in my house, and they did charge the going rate for a job well done.
The difference is astounding.. you smile at people up north, and they smile back. In Oxford and London they look at you like you have a mental illness... a couple of weeks ago when my other half and I went to London, we went on the underground, and a lady was struggling with a pram and kids. We carried the pram down the steps for her, and waited at the bottom. The look on her face told me that she thought we were going to nick her pram. When she said thank you, we said "no problem.. we don't live here so we're friendly"! she giggled then and nodded!
Even though the economy is really bad in the North, I think I would rather live on beans on toast and be happy, than move down south and get ignored. I lost my temper last week when six people in a row walked straight into me.. I wacked the last one with my backpack...
Whereas last time I went up north, I got bumped into a couple of times, and both people asked if I was ok... don't get that down here...
I am not going to get involved with the polish debate as I have had nothing but good workers in my house, and they did charge the going rate for a job well done.
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I was born in Yorkshire, and moved to the south when I was 13. I have popped up periodically, and was up there lots three years ago when my brother was terminally ill from cancer.
The difference is astounding.. you smile at people up north, and they smile back. In Oxford and London they look at you like you have a mental illness... a couple of weeks ago when my other half and I went to London, we went on the underground, and a lady was struggling with a pram and kids. We carried the pram down the steps for her, and waited at the bottom. The look on her face told me that she thought we were going to nick her pram. When she said thank you, we said "no problem.. we don't live here so we're friendly"! she giggled then and nodded!
Even though the economy is really bad in the North, I think I would rather live on beans on toast and be happy, than move down south and get ignored. I lost my temper last week when six people in a row walked straight into me.. I wacked the last one with my backpack...
Whereas last time I went up north, I got bumped into a couple of times, and both people asked if I was ok... don't get that down here...
I am not going to get involved with the polish debate as I have had nothing but good workers in my house, and they did charge the going rate for a job well done.
i have the opposite opinion am afraid misskitty are you sure not mistaking tourist for londoners?
The thing is... and I will defo be shot down in flames for this... look at this for an example:
Take an employer, looking for a manual worker. He has a Polish guy there willing to work double the hours per week on less pay, and then you get a guy sent along from the jobcentre who really doesn't want to work but has to go for the interview to keep his jobseekers allowance.
Who would you employ?
I'm not taking sides here at all. From the employers point of view they want staff who are going to carry out a job to 100% satisfaction and as long as the employees work it matters not to them their origin and to be fair you can't blame them.
Oh and I wouldn't swap living in the North for moving down South. I would consider a move abroad though.
Take an employer, looking for a manual worker. He has a Polish guy there willing to work double the hours per week on less pay, and then you get a guy sent along from the jobcentre who really doesn't want to work but has to go for the interview to keep his jobseekers allowance.
Who would you employ?
I'm not taking sides here at all. From the employers point of view they want staff who are going to carry out a job to 100% satisfaction and as long as the employees work it matters not to them their origin and to be fair you can't blame them.
Oh and I wouldn't swap living in the North for moving down South. I would consider a move abroad though.
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The thing is... and I will defo be shot down in flames for this... look at this for an example:
Take an employer, looking for a manual worker. He has a Polish guy there willing to work double the hours per week on less pay, and then you get a guy sent along from the jobcentre who really doesn't want to work but has to go for the interview to keep his jobseekers allowance.
Who would you employ?
I'm not taking sides here at all. From the employers point of view they want staff who are going to carry out a job to 100% satisfaction and as long as the employees work it matters not to them their origin and to be fair you can't blame them.
Oh and I wouldn't swap living in the North for moving down South. I would consider a move abroad though.
the hard working polish of course!
No I'm not hun, I live in Oxford, and its the same with tourists as it is with people who live here. And can usually tell the difference between a tourist in London and someone who lives there... We're off to London tomorrow, and I am looking forward to going, but not to getting injured .....
i have the opposite opinion am afraid misskitty are you sure not mistaking tourist for londoners?
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I was born in Yorkshire, and moved to the south when I was 13. I have popped up periodically, and was up there lots three years ago when my brother was terminally ill from cancer.
The difference is astounding.. you smile at people up north, and they smile back. In Oxford and London they look at you like you have a mental illness... a couple of weeks ago when my other half and I went to London, we went on the underground, and a lady was struggling with a pram and kids. We carried the pram down the steps for her, and waited at the bottom. The look on her face told me that she thought we were going to nick her pram. When she said thank you, we said "no problem.. we don't live here so we're friendly"! she giggled then and nodded!
Even though the economy is really bad in the North, I think I would rather live on beans on toast and be happy, than move down south and get ignored. I lost my temper last week when six people in a row walked straight into me.. I wacked the last one with my backpack...
Whereas last time I went up north, I got bumped into a couple of times, and both people asked if I was ok... don't get that down here...
I am not going to get involved with the polish debate as I have had nothing but good workers in my house, and they did charge the going rate for a job well done.
i have the opposite opinion am afraid misskitty are you sure not mistaking tourist for londoners?
wasnt this ment to be about jobs? and the availability of them?
i know people from north will praise the north etc etc, and alot of people when thinking south think only of london, but im in cornwall and take offense to this turing into a we're better than them debate.
people from different cultures,geographcally,religiously,how/who raised them will all contribute to how they act/ react.
there are twats all over the country as well as nice people.
xx fem xx
i know people from north will praise the north etc etc, and alot of people when thinking south think only of london, but im in cornwall and take offense to this turing into a we're better than them debate.
people from different cultures,geographcally,religiously,how/who raised them will all contribute to how they act/ react.
there are twats all over the country as well as nice people.
xx fem xx
Quote by Phuckers
The thing is... and I will defo be shot down in flames for this... look at this for an example:
Take an employer, looking for a manual worker. He has a Polish guy there willing to work double the hours per week on less pay, and then you get a guy sent along from the jobcentre who really doesn't want to work but has to go for the interview to keep his jobseekers allowance.
Who would you employ?
I'm not taking sides here at all. From the employers point of view they want staff who are going to carry out a job to 100% satisfaction and as long as the employees work it matters not to them their origin and to be fair you can't blame them.
Oh and I wouldn't swap living in the North for moving down South. I would consider a move abroad though.
the hard working polish of course!
Thats why we employ them.
There's a simpler solution. Move the jobs north. 
The south is already overcrowded, and there are many huge employers in Kent alone who could function just as easily "ooop north."
I was born & bought up in the north, and live in the south.
The north staffs city my mum lives in is distinctly unfriendly. I remember it was once voted as the most homophobic place to live in the UK, too. The most unfriendly place I've ever lived was a small town in , where everyone was lovely to everyone else- until they heard an English accent in their midst. The small southern village we live in is the friendliest place I know- it's a real community. People are welcoming, and rally round enormously if someone needs help. However, I did notice there were a lot of warm, welcoming salt of the earth types in Whitby.
I've come to believe it's not so much a north/south thing- as a town/city thing tbh.
I moved south to get laid.
I should have stayed for the gravy! :roll:
The south is already overcrowded, and there are many huge employers in Kent alone who could function just as easily "ooop north."
I was born & bought up in the north, and live in the south.
The north staffs city my mum lives in is distinctly unfriendly. I remember it was once voted as the most homophobic place to live in the UK, too. The most unfriendly place I've ever lived was a small town in , where everyone was lovely to everyone else- until they heard an English accent in their midst. The small southern village we live in is the friendliest place I know- it's a real community. People are welcoming, and rally round enormously if someone needs help. However, I did notice there were a lot of warm, welcoming salt of the earth types in Whitby.
I've come to believe it's not so much a north/south thing- as a town/city thing tbh.
I moved south to get laid.
I should have stayed for the gravy! :roll:
Its pretty neat that we can debate this issue cos it wasnt that long ago that we might feel a bit uncomfortable speaking our minds. But at least new labour now says that your not raving nazi if you are concerned about immigration.
People have always migrated from the north to the south for economic reasons its nothing new, I would rather be served coffee,taken by cabbie,sold a car by someone who speaks english and is emotionally connected to this country than the alternative. If someone comes down here from say manchester at least the wealth stays here and is not sent to prop up someone elses economy. And I must say that using cheap labour from eastern europe is hardly a new idea hitler did it back in the thirties which says reams for new labour (old nazi perhaps).
I wonder who really gains from imported labour from eastern europe anyway,cos if employers are using cheap workers they are not passing the savings onto the customer they are keeping the money as profit, exploiting the poverty of migrant workers who then claim family tax credits and send it back home.
Even frank field labour mp says "we did'nt remove the economic borders so people in hampsted could have a cheap polish gardener."
The hypocrosy of the ruling class in this country is asolutely breathtaking.
People have always migrated from the north to the south for economic reasons its nothing new, I would rather be served coffee,taken by cabbie,sold a car by someone who speaks english and is emotionally connected to this country than the alternative. If someone comes down here from say manchester at least the wealth stays here and is not sent to prop up someone elses economy. And I must say that using cheap labour from eastern europe is hardly a new idea hitler did it back in the thirties which says reams for new labour (old nazi perhaps).
I wonder who really gains from imported labour from eastern europe anyway,cos if employers are using cheap workers they are not passing the savings onto the customer they are keeping the money as profit, exploiting the poverty of migrant workers who then claim family tax credits and send it back home.
Even frank field labour mp says "we did'nt remove the economic borders so people in hampsted could have a cheap polish gardener."
The hypocrosy of the ruling class in this country is asolutely breathtaking.
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Its pretty neat that we can debate this issue cos it wasnt that long ago that we might feel a bit uncomfortable speaking our minds. But at least new labour now says that your not raving nazi if you are concerned about immigration.
People have always migrated from the north to the south for economic reasons its nothing new, I would rather be served coffee,taken by cabbie,sold a car by someone who speaks english and is emotionally connected to this country than the alternative. If someone comes down here from say manchester at least the wealth stays here and is not sent to prop up someone elses economy. And I must say that using cheap labour from eastern europe is hardly a new idea hitler did it back in the thirties which says reams for new labour (old nazi perhaps).
I wonder who really gains from imported labour from eastern europe anyway,cos if employers are using cheap workers they are not passing the savings onto the customer they are keeping the money as profit, exploiting the poverty of migrant workers who then claim family tax credits and send it back home.
Even frank field labour mp says "we did'nt remove the economic borders so people in hampsted could have a cheap polish gardener."
The hypocrosy of the ruling class in this country is asolutely breathtaking.
is that the same as saving money to go on foreign holidays,i cant understand why polish workers has become the main issue of the debate
Sex God
Ignoring the Polish argument - this thread was about Northerners being told to move south.
The idea that Northerners need to move south is moronic - I'm sorry, I'll say that again - MORONIC!!!!!!!!
Are they saying that:
Only N cities have people living on the breadline.
Only S cities are growing economically.
Cities in the S would be as 'wonderful' if those hundreds of thousands of N'rs moved S.
That those of us from the N have never actually been S and therefore are not capable of making our own judgement? Any idea why we haven't moved S????
For crying out loud - we are bombarded with complaints about the S - too expensive, no water, no land. And it isn't just news reports - we're neither blind nor stupid.
I live in a 5 bed detached in the country in the Midlands. And it would cost £200k to buy. What would I get for that in the S? A garage? A shed? Get real. It takes me 20 mins to drive 10 miles to work. That would be an hour+ in London - through smog and tax divers' abuse. There is nothing there that I need that I can't get down here in the Midlands.
These 'think tank' people are certifiable cretins.
The idea that Northerners need to move south is moronic - I'm sorry, I'll say that again - MORONIC!!!!!!!!
Are they saying that:
Only N cities have people living on the breadline.
Only S cities are growing economically.
Cities in the S would be as 'wonderful' if those hundreds of thousands of N'rs moved S.
That those of us from the N have never actually been S and therefore are not capable of making our own judgement? Any idea why we haven't moved S????
For crying out loud - we are bombarded with complaints about the S - too expensive, no water, no land. And it isn't just news reports - we're neither blind nor stupid.
I live in a 5 bed detached in the country in the Midlands. And it would cost £200k to buy. What would I get for that in the S? A garage? A shed? Get real. It takes me 20 mins to drive 10 miles to work. That would be an hour+ in London - through smog and tax divers' abuse. There is nothing there that I need that I can't get down here in the Midlands.
These 'think tank' people are certifiable cretins.
Sex God
on subject.....the south is a cold impersonal place
off subject ...Poles
In a country where the super rich decide for themselves how much they owe in tax,in a country where Richard Branson can take 24 million pounds in one year from Virgin trains whilst lobbying for higher subsidies from the government can I suggest we take some of these taxes we're not paid and give them to the Polish migrants so everyone else can have jobs.
Or perhaps we could have a go at implementing a little social justice,there is more than enough wealth for everyone,there are more than enough jobs,perhaps some of the great and good could make do with just one directorship and let everyone else have a go at the others
off subject ...Poles
In a country where the super rich decide for themselves how much they owe in tax,in a country where Richard Branson can take 24 million pounds in one year from Virgin trains whilst lobbying for higher subsidies from the government can I suggest we take some of these taxes we're not paid and give them to the Polish migrants so everyone else can have jobs.
Or perhaps we could have a go at implementing a little social justice,there is more than enough wealth for everyone,there are more than enough jobs,perhaps some of the great and good could make do with just one directorship and let everyone else have a go at the others
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There's a simpler solution. Move the jobs north.
The south is already overcrowded, and there are many huge employers in Kent alone who could function just as easily "ooop north."
I was born & bought up in the north, and live in the south.
The north staffs city my mum lives in is distinctly unfriendly. I remember it was once voted as the most homophobic place to live in the UK, too. The most unfriendly place I've ever lived was a small town in , where everyone was lovely to everyone else- until they heard an English accent in their midst. The small southern village we live in is the friendliest place I know- it's a real community. People are welcoming, and rally round enormously if someone needs help. However, I did notice there were a lot of warm, welcoming salt of the earth types in Whitby.
I've come to believe it's not so much a north/south thing- as a town/city thing tbh.
I moved south to get laid.
I should have stayed for the gravy! :roll:
and the Greggs stotties! .. we have friends who live in Kent and when they came up for our wedding we had to buy them some Stotties in bulk to take back again
Quote by Phuckers
Its pretty neat that we can debate this issue cos it wasnt that long ago that we might feel a bit uncomfortable speaking our minds. But at least new labour now says that your not raving nazi if you are concerned about immigration.
People have always migrated from the north to the south for economic reasons its nothing new, I would rather be served coffee,taken by cabbie,sold a car by someone who speaks english and is emotionally connected to this country than the alternative. If someone comes down here from say manchester at least the wealth stays here and is not sent to prop up someone elses economy. And I must say that using cheap labour from eastern europe is hardly a new idea hitler did it back in the thirties which says reams for new labour (old nazi perhaps).
I wonder who really gains from imported labour from eastern europe anyway,cos if employers are using cheap workers they are not passing the savings onto the customer they are keeping the money as profit, exploiting the poverty of migrant workers who then claim family tax credits and send it back home.
Even frank field labour mp says "we did'nt remove the economic borders so people in hampsted could have a cheap polish gardener."
The hypocrosy of the ruling class in this country is asolutely breathtaking.
is that the same as saving money to go on foreign holidays,i cant understand why polish workers has become the main issue of the debate
Maybe polish workers have become embrioled in the debate because the general issue of economic migrants. As there are a large number working here. And uk residents going on holiday is not in my opinion comparable to the wealthy exploiting eastern europeans for cheap labour,forcing them to claim additional benefits at the counties expence. Why should the tax payer subsidise big or small business. Sorry but I fail to see why we should do that and bolster the economes of other countries when people in this country are facing huge tax rises, old people cannot afford to heat their homes,and large numbers of people are losing their homes.
Sex God
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Ignoring the Polish argument - this thread was about Northerners being told to move south.
(snipped)
These 'think tank' people are certifiable cretins.
:thumbup: Foxy!
I don't understand why we are all of a sudden debating immigration.
This was one of those threads that had the potential to be great.
C'mon you northerners... get posting!!
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on subject.....the south is a cold impersonal place
off subject ...Poles
In a country where the super rich decide for themselves how much they owe in tax,in a country where Richard Branson can take 24 million pounds in one year from Virgin trains whilst lobbying for higher subsidies from the government can I suggest we take some of these taxes we're not paid and give them to the Polish migrants so everyone else can have jobs.
Or perhaps we could have a go at implementing a little social justice,there is more than enough wealth for everyone,there are more than enough jobs,perhaps some of the great and good could make do with just one directorship and let everyone else have a go at the others
Unfortunately 95% of the worlds wealth is controlled by 5% of the population, and it suits their purpose to view the rest of us as a commodity to use as they see fit. When we have learnt to treat our own people with love and respect(old people,or perhaps NICE could let cancer patients the drugs they need)then we can start to support the rest of the world but seeing as britain pays so much in subsidies to the eu of which the newly joined eastern europeans benifit we seem to be doing it the other way round.
The rich take the wealth and leave us to get the bill.
Quote by Staggerlee
on subject.....the south is a cold impersonal place
Gosh, lucky you - I take it from that statement that you've visited every town and village in the South? And spoken to every citizen?? Or do you mean the weather and topography? Well, the South has a warmer climate in general, and yes, if you talk to rocks or patches of grass they'll be pretty impersonal.
I can make sweeping inaccurate statements about the north too - people only smile and say hello to you to distract you whilst one of their 10 kids steals your car's wheels.
:) :)