I see its in the news now all the do gooders all what if its going againsts the human rights of the hoodies and drunken yobs.
The reason devices like this exist is because there is a problem.
Personally i dont have a problem with business or people protecting there properties with a ultrasonic device if it stops groups of intimidating thugs waiting around shops hassling people who enter or leave.
Its got to be better than using force to move people on.
So what do you it or keep it.
Join the most popular community of UK swingers now
Login
the mosquito youth deterrent.
Yes.
The device is mounted to the inside or outside of a sends out a high frequency signal which the under 20s pick up.
This signal is so disruptive that it makes people move out of the range which is around 20-30m.
Here is a link to see the may have seen one at your local spar type of shop.
The device is mounted to the inside or outside of a sends out a high frequency signal which the under 20s pick up.
This signal is so disruptive that it makes people move out of the range which is around 20-30m.
Here is a link to see the may have seen one at your local spar type of shop.
Sex God
This is a link to a report about the controversy:
Never heard of it before it was in the news today, and I've not made up my mind about it yet.
Never heard of it before it was in the news today, and I've not made up my mind about it yet.
I think it is a perfect idea. Although I think that we should go one step further and imprison all young people from the age of about 18months until they have reached an age where society deems them suitable to live amongst them. (what is that magical age again ?)
thanks for the link I have ordered 14 to surround my house/car/place of work until my new measures of imprisonment are introduced.
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit I know.. but I just can't be bothered with articulating a better response to the 'all young people are gits' argument.
thanks for the link I have ordered 14 to surround my house/car/place of work until my new measures of imprisonment are introduced.
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit I know.. but I just can't be bothered with articulating a better response to the 'all young people are gits' argument.
Sex God
Quote by splendid_
I think it is a perfect idea. Although I think that we should go one step further and imprison all young people from the age of about 18months until they have reached an age where society deems them suitable to live amongst them. (what is that magical age again ?)
thanks for the link I have ordered 14 to surround my house/car/place of work until my new measures of imprisonment are introduced.
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit I know.. but I just can't be bothered with articulating a better response to the 'all young people are gits' argument.
I haven't read the quotes or controversy listed.
My experience of the device is that they are highly effective at combatting ongoing anti socialbehaviour that is caused by groups of youths in specific areas.
Sex God
Quote by tyracer
I see its in the news now all the do gooders all what if its going againsts the human rights of the hoodies and drunken yobs.
The reason devices like this exist is because there is a problem.
Personally i dont have a problem with business or people protecting there properties with a ultrasonic device if it stops groups of intimidating thugs waiting around shops hassling people who enter or leave.
Its got to be better than using force to move people on.
So what do you it or keep it.
I think it's a great way of stopping as you say "intimidating thugs". Surely better prevention than cure.
Sex God
Quote by tyracer
I see its in the news now all the do gooders all what if its going againsts the human rights of the hoodies and drunken yobs.
The reason devices like this exist is because there is a problem.
Personally i dont have a problem with business or people protecting there properties with a ultrasonic device if it stops groups of intimidating thugs waiting around shops hassling people who enter or leave.
Its got to be better than using force to move people on.
So what do you it or keep it.
And what about the children and babies who have no choice but to enter the shop with their parents?
Or the well-behaved youths who want to use a shop or business?
:roll:ok so if not that then what, 
what can business use/do to protect their investment? :x
what about their human rights? :x
what can the catering company near to me do when it had it's back door wrenched open and their unit vandalised? :x
Why should the local charlty have is bus vandalised? :x
If some one can come up with a better answer i'm all ears. :x
what can business use/do to protect their investment? :x
what about their human rights? :x
what can the catering company near to me do when it had it's back door wrenched open and their unit vandalised? :x
Why should the local charlty have is bus vandalised? :x
If some one can come up with a better answer i'm all ears. :x
Quote by splendid_
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?
still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
Quote by Garfield1
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?
still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
'hanging around' isn't a crime.
Sex God
Quote by Garfield1
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?
still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
The point is, it needs to be used appropriately. Putting it over every shop doorway would impact on many innocent children, not just the yobs (who are actually the minority).
Oh, and you have every right to protect what is yours, as long as it's legal. Anything illegal and you're just as bad as the yobs/criminals.
Sex God
Quote by splendid_
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?
still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
'hanging around' isn't a crime.
Good point.
Quote by Freckledbird
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?
still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
'hanging around' isn't a crime.
Good point.
But a group of three or more can be classed as a riot...
This device has been around a few years now and has been used effectively in some places.
Groups of young people can be intimidating when they are hanging around entrances/doorways to shops etc and its difficuilt to move them on. Especially if they are in *happy mode* or had a drink, might as well talk to yourself then!
It does have an impact on someones business, many older people (and other members of the community) would rather walk an extra mile or go somewhere else rather than use a local service when thy feel frightened to walk through a group of youths.
The way I understood how the device works is that you can turn it on and off when its needed, not have it in use all the time. for example, they might use it during school start/finish times or on an evening.
One of the other ways that business were trying out to deter youths was playing classical music... it had a good effect
Sexpert
You know, if society were to actually enforce the laws that exist already, rather than just allowing those who want to to run riot, then surely that would go some way to making the streets feel safer.
Kids have always 'hung around' - it seems to just be something teenagers do - standing outside shops in the rain in January may not sound too much fun but most kids do it or have done it, without causing any trouble. It's just that the sight of it can be scary for others even if they don't intend any trouble. The solution lies, I feel, in making the streets feel safe again for people even _with_ teenagers hanging around - we need to learn to accept that teens exist and that just because they are outside the chippy that doesn't automatically mean they are going to steal your chips. To do this, we need to remove the influence of the few teenagers who seem to delight in creating havock. This means desling with any actual crime committed swifly and appropriately, whilst acknowledging the right of teenagers to stand around being bored in the time honoured tradition. That, or investing in youth clubs that teenagers actually want to go to, that are open when they need to go there.
The majority of young people are decent and don't go causing trouble. Why penalise them for the actions of a few cocky little knob heads?
Kids have always 'hung around' - it seems to just be something teenagers do - standing outside shops in the rain in January may not sound too much fun but most kids do it or have done it, without causing any trouble. It's just that the sight of it can be scary for others even if they don't intend any trouble. The solution lies, I feel, in making the streets feel safe again for people even _with_ teenagers hanging around - we need to learn to accept that teens exist and that just because they are outside the chippy that doesn't automatically mean they are going to steal your chips. To do this, we need to remove the influence of the few teenagers who seem to delight in creating havock. This means desling with any actual crime committed swifly and appropriately, whilst acknowledging the right of teenagers to stand around being bored in the time honoured tradition. That, or investing in youth clubs that teenagers actually want to go to, that are open when they need to go there.
The majority of young people are decent and don't go causing trouble. Why penalise them for the actions of a few cocky little knob heads?
Quote by Garfield1
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?
still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
so you never "hung out" yourself when you were a kid...what about the kids who are with there parents when there out shopping or the babies crying because of a high pitched sound upsetting them,as much as i hate the hoodie culture you can't go and punish all kids just for a peaceful life!
Sex God
Quote by gothicpunk
Kids have always 'hung around' - it seems to just be something teenagers do - standing outside shops in the rain in January may not sound too much fun but most kids do it or have done it, without causing any trouble.
The majority of young people are decent and don't go causing trouble. Why penalise them for the actions of a few cocky little knob heads?
Agreed.
Oh, and Cambridge onlinbe defines 'riot' as:
riot noun
'a noisy, violent, and uncontrolled public gathering.'
There's a big difference between an actual riot and three youths hanging around, regardless of how many it takes to class them as a riot.
Of course it is the minority of young people who are a problem.
I see 16 to 18 year olds every day at college, and I am impressed with their manners and consideration for others.
I am not, as I must confess I used to be, intimidated just because of the way they look, or sound, or the way they hang about in groups blocking the corridor
But - I would love to be able to get into my local Asda at night, without being the target of verbal abuse and having coins thrown at me, and having my partner spat on.
This doesn't happen every time. But it happens more often than it doesn't happen, and enough for me to feel a rising fear as I approach.
The outside of Asda is well lit, and warmish, and has benches and a MacDonald's next to it. If I were a teenager with nowhere better to go, I'd probably hang about there myself.
But it doesn't stop me now wanting something that would let me go shopping in peace.
I see 16 to 18 year olds every day at college, and I am impressed with their manners and consideration for others.
I am not, as I must confess I used to be, intimidated just because of the way they look, or sound, or the way they hang about in groups blocking the corridor
But - I would love to be able to get into my local Asda at night, without being the target of verbal abuse and having coins thrown at me, and having my partner spat on.
This doesn't happen every time. But it happens more often than it doesn't happen, and enough for me to feel a rising fear as I approach.
The outside of Asda is well lit, and warmish, and has benches and a MacDonald's next to it. If I were a teenager with nowhere better to go, I'd probably hang about there myself.
But it doesn't stop me now wanting something that would let me go shopping in peace.
Sex God
Quote by Freckledbird
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?
still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
'hanging around' isn't a crime.
Good point.
Yep
great point. .....as long as you aren't 84 years of age, on your own and they aren't hanging around outside your house until four in the morning, drinking and throwing empty bottles into your garden with all the associated noise that goes along with that.
They are a deterent that works in cases of people causing anti social behaviour and I'm all for them.
Dont tar me with the brush that I hate kids. I spend my working life and a huge part of my social life working with disadvantaged kids in areas of severe deprivation. I know the "blame the kids" culture inside out and vehemently object to it as the sweeping statement it so obviously is but there is no getting away from the fact that at times, kids behaviour is to blame.
Quote by gothicpunk
You know, if society were to actually enforce the laws that exist already, rather than just allowing those who want to to run riot, then surely that would go some way to making the streets feel safer.
Kids have always 'hung around' - it seems to just be something teenagers do - standing outside shops in the rain in January may not sound too much fun but most kids do it or have done it, without causing any trouble. It's just that the sight of it can be scary for others even if they don't intend any trouble. The solution lies, I feel, in making the streets feel safe again for people even _with_ teenagers hanging around - we need to learn to accept that teens exist and that just because they are outside the chippy that doesn't automatically mean they are going to steal your chips. To do this, we need to remove the influence of the few teenagers who seem to delight in creating havock. This means desling with any actual crime committed swifly and appropriately, whilst acknowledging the right of teenagers to stand around being bored in the time honoured tradition. That, or investing in youth clubs that teenagers actually want to go to, that are open when they need to go there.
The majority of young people are decent and don't go causing trouble. Why penalise them for the actions of a few cocky little knob heads?
Totally agree with GP...
I have highlighted the above as..... its ok investing in youth clubs, brill....I am all for it! But if you dont get the funding to actually run it...and have to continually find funding to keep it open that takes workers time away from what they really want to be dong. Thats *working with young people* and doing what they are paid to do!
Other thing is, you can have all the youth clubs in the world but if your funding says that you have to target *those at risk of offending, offenders, combat anti social behaviour, self/excluded etc etc* (and most funding criteria does)...the list goes on but think you get the idea... so what happens, you target those young people and then the young peeps that do behave or are victims of bullying from *some* of your target group, or frightened of them because of the havoc they cause in the youth club... they stop going! And the workers end up *policing* the youth club.
So its a catch 22, you want to work with both ends of the scale... they are ways to do it yes but if you dont have funding to do it *another way* ya stumped and just try your best when your best isnt good enough.
Riot, might be defined as whatever by the dictionary but if police want to class a group of three as a riot or looking to incite a riot they can... that example is taught to C & Youth Workers and given in talks by the police (old laws can be an ass) and was often brough up in meetings (by police) when anti social behaviour was on the agenda.
Quote by the_Laird
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?
still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
'hanging around' isn't a crime.
Good point.
Yep
great point. .....as long as you aren't 84 years of age, on your own and they aren't hanging around outside your house until four in the morning, drinking and throwing empty bottles into your garden with all the associated noise that goes along with that.
They are a deterent that works in cases of people causing anti social behaviour and I'm all for them.
Dont tar me with the brush that I hate kids. I spend my working life and a huge part of my social life working with disadvantaged kids in areas of severe deprivation. I know the "blame the kids" culture inside out and vehemently object to it as the sweeping statement it so obviously is but there is no getting away from the fact that at times, kids behaviour is to blame.
I didn't tar anyone with any brush. But garfield said nothing about empty bottles, drinking or associated are crimes and as such should be reported to our overworked policeforce. garfield was talking about hanging about/out that is not a crime as far as I am aware. Although I don't work in law, I am sure to get an ASBO you have to be doing something a little more hardcore than just 'hanging about'
Your job role doesn't make you more or less entitled to an opinion so I see no reason why you felt the need to mention it.
I think that as a society we are keen to point the finger and just simply not look at what we can do to change and improve the world around us. Few people help others. Few people care about others. But people still expect everyone to 'fit in'. oh goodness I am just going to waffle on. I feel passionate about a lot of things and this is one of them. Our children are our future and as a society we are failing them by criminalising every aspect of their lives. Oh sod it.. shush splendid.
Quote by the_Laird
how does an inanimate object identify what is anti-social behaviour... ?
still does answer the question, if i have groups of kids hanging out around my unit i wouldn't hesitate in installing said device!
Why because i have the right to protect my investment so i will use what ever deterant there is to do that, simple as.
'hanging around' isn't a crime.
Good point.
Yep
great point. .....as long as you aren't 84 years of age, on your own and they aren't hanging around outside your house until four in the morning, drinking and throwing empty bottles into your garden with all the associated noise that goes along with that.
They are a deterent that works in cases of people causing anti social behaviour and I'm all for them.
Dont tar me with the brush that I hate kids. I spend my working life and a huge part of my social life working with disadvantaged kids in areas of severe deprivation. I know the "blame the kids" culture inside out and vehemently object to it as the sweeping statement it so obviously is but there is no getting away from the fact that at times, kids behaviour is to blame.
Yeah, I agree with what youve you said...
Its awful being in the recieving end! And there is a real drink culture (some mix it with drugs) amongst young people thats really difficuilt to deal with. Its not pleasant at all to actually work with these young people at times....even when sober! An I feel terrible saying that!!
Sex God
Quote by splendid_
I didn't tar anyone with any brush.
Nor did I say that you did.
Garfield was talking about hanging about/out that is not a crime as far as I am aware. Although I don't work in law, I am sure to get an ASBO you have to be doing something a little more hardcore than just 'hanging about'
Define hanging about? Is the noise that groups make a nuisance or a crime? Is the behaviour that a group may indulge in high jinks or criminal activity?
You see splendid, I wish it was just as cut and dried as that but it 'aint. In fact your rather casual use of the terminology regarding "hardcore" and "hanging about" belittles something that is a major problem to society and by that I mean ALL society. From the people who have to live beside it to the young people persecuted for no valid reason as a result.
I think that as a society we are keen to point the finger and just simply not look at what we can do to change and improve the world around us.
I'm sure we are all ears right now Splendid. I'm always looking for new ways to engage young people away from crime and bad lifestyle choices.
They are crimes and as such should be reported to our overworked policeforce.
Thats where the mosquito device works. I have seen it used in the back court area of an old folks home where young people were congregating to drink, smash bottles, piss up against cars and cause much anxiety to the residents. Similarly I have seen it work in areas where there has been a high incidence of drug abuse and it's stopped a shooting gallery situated beside a nursery.
The Police force are overworked and overstretched. Devices such as these provide a fast and efficient solution to such problems which are compounded by the lack of Police resources.
Your job role doesn't make you more or less entitled to an opinion so I see no reason why you felt the need to mention it.
Now you see that quote really irks me. I use it not to show entitlement to an opinion, I dont need to, but to validate the fact that I have considerable experience in this particular sphere and as such can and do see both sides of the argument. Does that make it any clearer to you or was it originally an attempt at a demeaning "slap down" ??
Our children are our future and as a society we are failing them by criminalising every aspect of their lives.
We are failing them in far greater ways than criminalising their "hanging about". Perhaps if more people were less inclined to spout forth about the problems that kids face and get off their arses and do something positive to make a difference to their community we wouldn't have to keep going around in circles with this age old debate.
I haven't learnt to do the multi quote thing.
I did not mean anything demeaning at all. I am truly sorry that what I said about your job role came across in any negative way. I was attempting to be supportive of your right to an opinion irregardless of your job role.
I do understand your point about the old peoples' home and the other points you made. I still don't agree with a device like this being generally available.
I can't define 'hanging about' as it is a loose term and wasn't actually introduced by me.
you are right....less people should spout forth and get off their arses and do something positive. One thing we do agree on.
I did not mean anything demeaning at all. I am truly sorry that what I said about your job role came across in any negative way. I was attempting to be supportive of your right to an opinion irregardless of your job role.
I do understand your point about the old peoples' home and the other points you made. I still don't agree with a device like this being generally available.
I can't define 'hanging about' as it is a loose term and wasn't actually introduced by me.
you are right....less people should spout forth and get off their arses and do something positive. One thing we do agree on.
Sex God
Quote by splendid_
I still don't agree with a device like this being generally available.
Thats two things we agree on
Sex God
Quote by Sassy-Seren
I've heard the kids are getting their own back by using it as ringtones on their mobiles so teachers and parents can't hear them............Genius!
:rotflmao: You got to give kids credit where credit is due.
I think that Gothicpunk said most of it for me with his post. I do support the use of such devices though. Maybe there would be a way of regulating the usage. How, When, Where etc.
I do however believe that there is a place and a point to the end that some part of police duties should entail going about on foot, a Visible presence, work at being approachable. . Lets have youth clubs and sports clubs even have surgeries at schools and put a copper or two in them for example?
This I know would not be not an easy thing to achieve given that no one is keen on putting people at undue risk.
Quote by gothicpunk
You know, if society were to actually enforce the laws that exist already, rather than just allowing those who want to to run riot, then surely that would go some way to making the streets feel safer.
Kids have always 'hung around' - it seems to just be something teenagers do - standing outside shops in the rain in January may not sound too much fun but most kids do it or have done it, without causing any trouble. It's just that the sight of it can be scary for others even if they don't intend any trouble. The solution lies, I feel, in making the streets feel safe again for people even _with_ teenagers hanging around - we need to learn to accept that teens exist and that just because they are outside the chippy that doesn't automatically mean they are going to steal your chips. To do this, we need to remove the influence of the few teenagers who seem to delight in creating havock. This means desling with any actual crime committed swifly and appropriately, whilst acknowledging the right of teenagers to stand around being bored in the time honoured tradition. That, or investing in youth clubs that teenagers actually want to go to, that are open when they need to go there.
The majority of young people are decent and don't go causing trouble. Why penalise them for the actions of a few cocky little knob heads?
Wise words indeed.(Steal my chips? I'd like to see 'em fecking try!
) 