Ok so bit of a long shot this one.
There was a spoof song, I think it was a spoof of a Wet Wet Wet song, about a band members love for big women.
But I can't remember the song, who it was, or anything.
But I'm sure I saw it posted on here once or twice a while back.
Anyone know what on earth I'm on about, it's driving me mad!
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Bari
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He's quite right too. This was the point I was making earlier, the lower the average value, the smaller the jump up to a more expensive house.
To use the analogy I used before, if you bought a house for £50K (with a £50K mortgage) and want to move to a house twice as expensive, then if the value of your house drops to 25p then the house that is twice as expensive will be worth 50p.
Ok, so you've got a £50K mortgage on a 50p house, but the reality is that it has cost you 25p to move, versus £150K to make the same move if house prices had tripled instead.
To use the analogy I used before, if you bought a house for £50K (with a £50K mortgage) and want to move to a house twice as expensive, then if the value of your house drops to 25p then the house that is twice as expensive will be worth 50p.
Ok, so you've got a £50K mortgage on a 50p house, but the reality is that it has cost you 25p to move, versus £150K to make the same move if house prices had tripled instead.
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A question on equity release next!
Now if I release equity of £50K on the value of my house ... .
"Releasing equity" is just a mortgage company expression for "borrow more money from us and pay us even more lovely lovely interest, and as it is secured against your house we'll take it off you if you don't pay us".
Its not releasing equity at all, its just borrowing, plain and simple.
Makes me laugh when I hear people say "my house has gone up by £25,000 so we've released some of that extra equity and bought a new car".
No mate, you've just borrowed some money and bought a car, only cos its added onto your mortgage chances are you'll still be paying for that car long after its gone.
The only way you can truely release the increased equity that your house has accrued is sell it. Only then you've got the money, but no where to live. Of course you could buy another house, but they've all gone up as well of course, so you're no better off.
For the vast majority of us the housing boom has done nothing but make us feel richer, and sadly a lot of people have used that as an excuse to borrow loads more on loans, remortgages and credit cards, hence personal debt in this country is at an all time high.
Even moving house has become much dearer if you want to move up as a result of the house value boom, think about it, if you bought a house for £50K and a few years late you want a house worth double then without the increase you'd have to find (borrow) another £50K. Only now your house has tripled in value to £150K you feel richer, but that same move to a house worth double is no longer a £50K jump, its a £150K jump cos it tripled in value too! So you feel better off, but you've actually had to borrow £100K more than you would have if the values had remained the same and you'd not "made" anything on the one you were in.
People I feel desperate for are those trying to buy for the very first time. Where I live 2 bed terraced starter homes which were an affordable £50K only 10 years ago are now £150K! Hows a new family supposed to afford that?
Wish I'd bought a couple at the time they were £50K and let them mind...
What this country really needs is another house value crash like in the early ninties, bring everything down to sensible levels again...
Quote by Ice Pie
The politically correct euphemism BBW is further evidence of the herd mentality of the big is beautiful brigade: The idea that a woman is beautiful just because she is big.
Self-praise is no recommendation, and those who label themselves in this way are trying to tell people what to think..
Yes, well done Ice Pie, this is exactly what Big G, and indeed I, was saying further up this thread... :roll:
Quote by pendant
I am a BW and hate the thought that i may be thought of as an easy shag.
Do guys actually think that BW's are an easy shag???Serious question guys.
Gill x
Since its a serious question I'll give you a serious answer, and that is, yes they do.
You speak for all men? I don't recall voting for you as my spokesperson :P
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No, as I explained I speak from my experience of BBW sites (and observing the attitudes of guys on them) and from the experiences related to me by BBW women that I've known.
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This is nothing new though, there are examples from many cultures from throughout history of society coming to a group decision of what women should look like, and seeking to force them to conform. Binding of womens feet in Japan is the most obvious and cruel example that springs to mind.
One thing common to all though - it always seems to be the men that set the standards, the men that voice the opinions, and the women left defending themselves.
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Kat
This is EXACTLY the point I was tryingt to make initially.
There is a whole "herd" of men who "decide" what kind of women they like based on what they're told, by the media, by their mates, what-ever.
It can take a certain amount of courage sometimes to stand out from the crowd and state a preference not of the norm, and go for it (as I'm sure a very great many people on here must feel, given the somewhat "alternative" lifestyle that swinging is...)
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I am happy with myself at times..but really unhappy at my health and the fact that i can not have any more children with my blood pressure being just above normal.....i am tring so hard but getting no where......and tbh i think the programme(which i did not watch) would have just made me more sad........
To be honest (and I'm not trying to be funny here) I think that at a size 22/24, if you had watched the program you'd actually have felt positively anorexic!
There were women on there a size 40 or more, and I doubt any were under a size 30...
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Well I have watched the programme this morning with a sense of horror! I have to agree with whoever it was who said (may have been more than one person) that the men who hanker after the woman who are 30/40 stone did give me the slight chills. Is it a power thing? A controlling thing? I didn't understand it at all and worries me greatly.
Got to agree with you there J!
As one whose lightest weight was 7lb 8ozs it has ALWAYS worried me that some men are attracted to the body and not the person.However I am fit and healthy (apart from this week but that's just a virus/bug :cry: ), take part regularly in sport and I can only be thankful that I have not had the misfortune that some of those woman have.
I have a theory that being "big" and being "fat" are two different things. Everyone is a different size in height, so why not in width? You can have one person who's just as fit, eats just as healthily, and excersises just as much, as another yet is just naturally "larger" the way another person might be naturally taller.
But there is also the women who are much bigger because of eating (either too much or the wrong thing), lack of excersise, different metabolism, whatever.
The women on the program may have been naturally larger, but without doubt they were all much "fatter" than a normal woman. Much...
Just as an example, there was the woman with the thing in her throat to help her breathe, now she was grossly fat. And then at the end there was the woman who was into "squashing". Now the "squashing" woman was (I'm sure) actually heavier, but she was clearly much healthier and fitter, she was more naturally that size whereas the first woman was just very very fat.
I guess there is a cross-over between the bigger "fat" woman and the bigger "large" woman, or a combination of the two maybe, but there is definitely a difference I think...
Some women are big, are fit, are sexy and look great!
Some women are big but in a much less healthy way...
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I am a BW and hate the thought that i may be thought of as an easy shag.
Do guys actually think that BW's are an easy shag???Serious question guys.
Gill x
Since its a serious question I'll give you a serious answer, and that is, yes they do.
The irony is that in fact larger women are generally harder to get into bed, I guess because they maybe feel a little more self concious and therefore need to be more reassured that the person really wants them rather than just "diving in" without a care.
However, from my experience of time spent on larger woman sites, there is definitely a mindset amongst a lot of men that a larger woman will be "less choosy", or maybe "more desperate".
As I say, I've always found that in reality the reverse is true, but there you go...
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I prefer large women to slim women, and I defend any man to prefer slim women to large, as I say, each to their own.
You didn't defend them, you attacked their supposed herd mentality and lack of ability to think for themselves. What's the difference between them and the "Big is beautiful" herd? By making a distinction between skinny women and "real" women, you are judging people purely on the basis of their size, which is precisely what you're criticising, so why is it OK for you and not others?
I have no problem with you following your chosen herd, what I do have a problem with is you slagging people off for following a different one. I am not criticising your preference, merely questioning your apparent double standard.
(Edited due to quoting the wrong post and inadvertently attributing Bari's comments to MOMF, sorry.)
You read it however you want to matey...
Quote by Silk and Big G
For me a woman classed as 'over weight' whatever that means , can be incredibly sexy if she is confident in her sexuality , but the same applies to almost any shape and size ( side show oddities excepted ) . That said , I believe there is a level of obesity which goes past being someone who is unconcerned with their body image and reaches a point where it is someone who is either frankly past caring about themselves or worse someone who has a psychological disorder that either means they seek to gain weight or cannot stop eating . I know that may sound harsh , but im not intending to judge those folks , im simply seperating them from those of us that have a genetic predisposition to being a little chubby .
I for one find there is a cut off point where someone becomes too fat ( usually that point being when movement is restricted and personal hygeine becomes difficult) to be of interest to me sexually . Of course many of the women shown on the trailer for the show tonight are very fat indeed and some of them would be included in that definition . The men that will be on the show will be portrayed as liberal and unjudgemental , but what they actually are are fetishists . If it wasnt fat girls it would have been shoes , or uniforms or whatever triggered their latent desire .
Got to agree with you there! I adore larger curvier women, indeed I've never actually dated a woman lighter than myself, but like you there has to be a cut off, you can't just say "bigger is better". That was an hour long program and I'm not sure I found any of the ladies on there (nice as they may well be) sexually attractive, and the guys on there did come across as being fat obsessed for the lust of the fat only, not the women which was a little sad.
I think a good analogy would be, some guys are into older women. You'll get guys in their twenties who wouldn't go out with women who are in their twenties just becaue their preference is toward older women so they would perhaps prefer a woman in her thirties or even maybe forties. Fair enough but you wouldn't expect that guy to extend that to saying "the older the better" and get turned on by a woman in her nineties, and you would probably find it disturbing if he did.
This is kind of how I felt about the women on the program tonight. I'm sorry but even given my "larger woman" preferences I couldn't see these women as being attractive, and I found myself wondering about the motives of the guys who claimed to be attracted to them and wondering if it were something deeper, a lack of self worth maybe, a fear of being left and therefore rationalising that by going out with a huge woman they would run less risk of that.
I'm gettting into the realms of cod phycology here, but I honestly couldn't see how these women could be attractive even to a guy (like me) who genuinely prefers larger women unless, as Big G says, its some kind of fetish thing... :confused:
Again, read it that way if you will.
The point I was actually trying to make is that an awful lot of people seem to "follow the herd", liking what they're told to like, and putting down what they are told not to like.
I prefer large women to slim women, and I defend any man to prefer slim women to large, as I say, each to their own.
But (as happened to an attractive but large friend of mine) when you hear about guys walking up to bigger women in a pub and without any reason saying "Christ, you're a fat bitch aren't you" you'll perhaps understand what I mean by the herd mentality. Put it this way, not ever heard "Christ you're a slim bitch" being banded about as an insult!
This is what I mean by the whole media/mainstream philosophy that big is ugly and slim isn't.
But anyway, you don't want to hear all this, you just want to get on my case, and the program is on shortly so I'll leave you to it.
G'night! :thumbup:
The point I was actually trying to make is that an awful lot of people seem to "follow the herd", liking what they're told to like, and putting down what they are told not to like.
I prefer large women to slim women, and I defend any man to prefer slim women to large, as I say, each to their own.
But (as happened to an attractive but large friend of mine) when you hear about guys walking up to bigger women in a pub and without any reason saying "Christ, you're a fat bitch aren't you" you'll perhaps understand what I mean by the herd mentality. Put it this way, not ever heard "Christ you're a slim bitch" being banded about as an insult!
This is what I mean by the whole media/mainstream philosophy that big is ugly and slim isn't.
But anyway, you don't want to hear all this, you just want to get on my case, and the program is on shortly so I'll leave you to it.
G'night! :thumbup:
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It is interesting but why do larger ladies have to be shoved in a 'specialist tastes' category?
Because there aren't many men able to think for themselves and appreciate real women, the vast majority follow the herd and fancy what The Sun/their mates/the media generally tell them to fancy.
As one or two of you that know me are aware, I'm a great fan of the fuller figured lady.
Anyway, seems I'm not alone, as a program on ITV tonight at 11pm shows...
A peek into the world of men attracted to extra-large ladies, where conventional stick-thin beauties barely warrant a second glance, and being overweight isn't just acceptable - it's actually desirable. Among the bounteous beauties profiled are 23-stone Sue Allen, who has met a succession of suitors over the Internet, and 36-year-old Tracey Carr, who is seen modelling lingerie - even though she weighs 29 stone
Definitely worth a watch I'd say!
Anyway, seems I'm not alone, as a program on ITV tonight at 11pm shows...
A peek into the world of men attracted to extra-large ladies, where conventional stick-thin beauties barely warrant a second glance, and being overweight isn't just acceptable - it's actually desirable. Among the bounteous beauties profiled are 23-stone Sue Allen, who has met a succession of suitors over the Internet, and 36-year-old Tracey Carr, who is seen modelling lingerie - even though she weighs 29 stone
Definitely worth a watch I'd say!
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Luuuurve phone sex, can be very erotic! :thumbup:
Can also allow you to be, or to do, things you might not in real life.
Oddly though it's better with someone you've not had real sex with I find. I think this is because real sex is preferable, but if you've not had it with the person you're enjoying yourself with over the phone then it's not second best, it's just best. Does that make sense? :confused:
:shock: :P :shock:
Luuuurve phone sex, can be very erotic! :thumbup:
Can also allow you to be, or to do, things you might not in real life.
Oddly though it's better with someone you've not had real sex with I find. I think this is because real sex is preferable, but if you've not had it with the person you're enjoying yourself with over the phone then it's not second best, it's just best. Does that make sense? :confused:
Can also allow you to be, or to do, things you might not in real life.
Oddly though it's better with someone you've not had real sex with I find. I think this is because real sex is preferable, but if you've not had it with the person you're enjoying yourself with over the phone then it's not second best, it's just best. Does that make sense? :confused:
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How can we tell fakes?..............on a number of occasions i have tried to chat to peeps from here.......
only to get the "sorry phone"......or the as soon as you chat they log off ETC!
trouble is they will send you pms...... giving msg... ....etc but its utter crap.......
we gotta have a system!
Hate to say it, but maybe they're just not interested and unable to be blunt about it...?
Lots of things, but one particular one that really does it for me is...
A big curvy woman in a sexy short nightie...
I'm lying on the bed and she's kneeling next to me...
She takes hold of the hem of the nightie and veeeery very slowly starts to lift it...
I start to play with myself and she's watching me and smiling and all the time lifting the hem of the nightie slowly higher and higher, inch by inch revealing her wonderful warm soft curves...
The more she reveals, the more turned on I get, faster and faster...
She gently lifts it up revealing her heavy gorgeous breasts, pauses for a few seconds and then pulls the nightie off over her head leaning forward as I reach the point of no return to catch my deluge all over those gorgeous curves...
MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........................
Err., if you'll just excuse me for a minute I think I need a lie down!
A big curvy woman in a sexy short nightie...
I'm lying on the bed and she's kneeling next to me...
She takes hold of the hem of the nightie and veeeery very slowly starts to lift it...
I start to play with myself and she's watching me and smiling and all the time lifting the hem of the nightie slowly higher and higher, inch by inch revealing her wonderful warm soft curves...
The more she reveals, the more turned on I get, faster and faster...
She gently lifts it up revealing her heavy gorgeous breasts, pauses for a few seconds and then pulls the nightie off over her head leaning forward as I reach the point of no return to catch my deluge all over those gorgeous curves...
MMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........................
Err., if you'll just excuse me for a minute I think I need a lie down!
