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Freckledbird
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Quote by starlightcouple
maybe i am foreign ??
just for you lol :lol:

And maybe it wasn't directed at you. But hey, if the cap fits...
Quote by michaelangela
does anything EVER happen on this site ???? been paying our money for years now and still never had a meet through this site ... had a few no shows ... plenty of pic collectors and loads of timewasters ... never managed an actual meet tho .... had loads off elsewhere but s/h will get no more of our money when renewal is due
edited by admin to remove reference to another site

Yes, things happen.
See you, don't let the door hit your bum on the way out wave
Quote by jumptoit
this 1 gets wheeled out every year its a tradition id prefer to see the debate on the school summer holiday as the kids no longer help with the harvest lol but i doubt the mail reading teachers would be as keen to loose there long summer break

Good grief :scared:
I thought they read The Guardian without exception!
GNV have you seen the quality of some of our younger teachers these days?????......... most read the Daily Sport far more factual and interesting..........
If the standard of journalism and English expression is anything to go by, no wonder our students are struggling to read and write...
Ah but look on the bright side GNV with the new high tuition fees we are going to have a much higher well spoken class of thicko teaching our children!!!
Looking at the posts made by some people, they've been taught by thicko teachers anyway. Or they didn't pay attention. Maybe their teachers 'didn't understand them'?
Quote by bouncy332
i think that reducing the number of days worked just makes the problem worse we all work 24/7 so why not schools then you could put your child on the school shift that suited your work pattern and if you increased the school working week surely all the kids that need more could get more oh and then teachers would have proper jobs and have to earn there great saleries that sounds like value for money to me

:shock: I'd like to think that was posted tongue in cheek.
Quote by Lizaleanrob
Nah Starlight I think your OK, what some seem to be alluding to is the idea of taking the kids back into the Dickensian are of shoving them up chimneys and having them in cloth caps and rags in front of Lyons tea houses buffing shoes for a "ha'penny please sir". Typically taking the idea to the unfounded extreme. It's more the idea is that the school week should be what it says...a school week.
Most of us realise that teachers do a lot of work, unseen and unappreciated behind the scenes and out of the public eye, which go unrecognised by many not involved in the industry. What is being suggested is that teachers should be fairly treated and work to the same parameters that others do within the workplace. Such as having the same set working hours and holidays etc. This way the teachers needn't do unpaid and unseen work out of hours they can leave work at work. This would also provide an easier and more constructive system for working parents too manage childcare provision in a more sensible way.

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with lost on this one
As am I. :thumbup:
Quote by starlightcouple
still most of it.
humor is only good when others can under stand it. a lot of cryptic non sence on here it seems.

Made perfect sense to me - and I saw the humour too. Nothing cryptic about it! You mean you didn't know it was humorous because there were no lol ?
There's an awful lot of rubbish English on here too.
Quote by sara2010
sorry not paying for a new account just to play a game lol

We've had one since it became a paysite. If you wanted to take part, admin let us have a free account for the duration of the ball, then they were de-activated.
Quote by nudepaul
why do naturist get uptight when they say they are not swingers met a couple last night socially and that was the first thing they said i mean you wouldnt walk in to a pub and say to a couple were not swingers is it something to do that you are seen naked and are getting looked at ?

Don't know - did you ask them?
Quote by Aurora_female
Call it what you like, a moan, a rant, a whinge, unfair or tough; The fact of the matter is, whether you dissect parts or not, members are not being made aware to make their so called informed "choice" prior paying up.

And that is a whole different debate from the one you started, about fairness of price increases.
Quote by Aurora_female
No disrespect to anyone Freckle, but if one of the owners says what I have quoted, then I tend to believe that and he did say "Free for life", if he means for basic free members with no site access then I will retract that but that is not mine nor some others' understanding. Maybe st3v3 will confirm either way, whether the
"free for life, around 345,000" is full access free members or not.

I'm not saying that St3v3 lied. I believe him; I was here at the time when there was only that number of members. The point being made, is that many of those accounts were inactive even then. As has already been said, at that time you had to have different accounts for ads, chat and forum. I suspect that a bigger proportion is now inactive. As Dawnie has said, things like Masked Balls affect the numbers - I have at least three accounts created for that purpose, which are now inactive. So - should I have to pay for those 'free for life' accounts too - just because you think everyone should pay for any changes?
Quote by Aurora_female
Hi Aurora - Ive only managed to read a coupel of the pages of this thread, but Im startled to read that 28% of the site dont pay. If true thats astounding. I also wonder how Im missing out having been a 'member' of this site for many years.

I'm not sure that the 28% is a confirmed figure, so don't be too startled.
There are many for whom membership is free; free membership is available, with limited access.
You missed out because you joined after the site became a paysite in late 2005.
If you look back to St3v3 post on page 3 you will see this;
How many existing members are free members?
If you mean free for life, around 345,000

I think that pretty much confirms its.
OK, then read this post:
Quote by Ian
The simple fact is that SH is being funded by only 72% of the members.

Can I challege your 'fact' ?
345000 members joined SH before Symbios took over.
1250000 (ish) membership now.
Therefore yes I agree you are looking at around a 28 - 72 % split.
However you make the wrong assumption that every single account that was registered since the take over was not a 'basic, can't do anything, but is free' account, and was in fact a paying account.
Correcting this will reduce your percentage quite dramatically.
And if you read Neil's post on page 4 (I won't quote as it's quite lengthy), I think that puts it more into perspective.
Quote by Hooters
Hi Aurora - Ive only managed to read a coupel of the pages of this thread, but Im startled to read that 28% of the site dont pay. If true thats astounding. I also wonder how Im missing out having been a 'member' of this site for many years.

I'm not sure that the 28% is a confirmed figure, so don't be too startled.
There are many for whom membership is free; free membership is available, with limited access.
You missed out because you joined after the site became a paysite in late 2005.
Quote by Missy
Also avoid pepper when you get to a certain age :thumbup:
Un-prepared for mega sneezes, while stood up, are nothing short of dangerous :shock:
Only remembering pelvic floor exercises at point of sneeze, don't help either :shock:
On the bright side - I don't shit myself lol

rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
Missy, you're priceless!
Quote by ForestFunsters
Just out of interest, did any of these venues used to have a bar area that served alcohol and allowed smoking before the ban?

The ones in Sheffield did.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Blame the past governments for allowing the supermarkets to have the monolopy of where we have a choice to buy meat from, and the price they pay farmers.
I have three supermakets within a mile radius from where I live I used to have 4 butchers.

None of the supermarkets has a monopoly - you can buy meat from lots of different ones. And you can still buy meat from butchers. You can buy it from wholesalers. You can buy it in markets.
Quote by robbo-bi1
If someone "GREEN" joins the site or is just looking around.
They can plainly see it is a pay site.
They then decide to "join" or not.
Or would you prefer a 500 page introduction when you first log onto the site, and every time afterwards explaining in detail all the changes that have happened since the sites conception.

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Quote by Somm
Can you answer my question yes or no ?? Someone green comes to this site to join. Where does it tell them ?? Or is it down to them discovering after payment ?? Or do you really think every or most new members somehow magically know beforehand ??
:mrgreen:
x

Haven't a clue lol
Paying members do know what they are paying for - my other half is a paying member. They will also be aware that you can be a free member, albeit with limited access to the site. I don't know whether they'd be aware that there are members who have free membership due to being around in the early days of the site though. However, I think that's a common thing - I've seen other, previously free, sites which have become paysites and original members retained their free membership status.
Quote by Somm
Like it or not, the point is, you DO NOT have to pay; if you don't want to pay, leave.

Freckle....are you moaning, ranting or discussing ?? I cant quite make it out lol.
Bit of moaning really. But the point is still the same smile
Quote by Bluefish2009
Its a funny old place, I have heard people complain about the forums not getting as many threads as they used to, and people not visiting the forums very much, then when some one starts a perfectly acceptable discussion which has attracted much comment, they are told, "shut up or pay up" dunno

The lack of traffic on the forum isn't linked to the paying/non-paying aspect of the membership. The forum has peaks and troughs of posting activity.
This isn't a discussion - it's a moan, however you dress it up - 'why should the paying members subsidise the non-paying members?'. The answer is, you're not - some people have always been free members due to joining before the site became a pay site. Others have joined since, knowing they would have to pay for the service. Then they grumble when the costs rise. Do you moan at supermarkets when they increase their prices? No - you go elsewhere, do without or pay up. Same principle here really.
Oh, and then when anyone disagrees or posts anything that someone doesn't like, the old chestnut comes in - 'I give up, it's always the same/left before for the same reason/seen it all before' rolleyes
Like it or not, the point is, you DO NOT have to pay; if you don't want to pay, leave.
Quote by Bluefish2009
I feel that for those of us who love a bacon sandwich, we should step up to the mark and start to buy British pork and support our farmers, maybe from the butcher, rather than supermarkets.... Or maybe you feel it is you right to but cheep pork from supermarkets?

I'll buy my pork and other meat from where I choose, thanks very much confused That is my right. As it's yours to buy from wherever you choose. It's not for you to say where you think I should buy pork from.
I think HnS just forgot to cite where he copied the information from:

I think it's being considered to bring the UK in line with Europe, yes. And I'm pretty sure that if HnS has realised, then the eurosceptics in government will also have realised. Not such a cunning plot then.
I think there should be less street lighting anyway, to save energy. Many of our roads are lit unnecessarily, particularly motorways. If you're driving along them at night, you're going to have your headlights on, after all. Total waste. I think all street lighting should be turned off between, say 2am and 5am as a minimum. Not many people likely to be about on foot at those times, and vehicles should have headlights to light their way.
Quote by HnS
Freckle,
sorry a list based on local knowledge would be useful.
However I'm less sure that many of the venues have actually priced themselves out of the market given the current legislation, "under section 79(1)(g) of the Environmental Protection Act 1990, local authorities have a duty to take reasonably practicable steps to investigate complaints of 'noise emitted from premises so as to be prejudicial to health or a nuisance".
Therefore if there were a thousand residents, if one person wants to press a complaint - it needn't be about noise - that would be sufficient to be classed as a nuisance and potentially a venue could be forced to close. This is irrespective as to whether lovers of live music were attending and they were popular & well supported venues.

If closure was a problem from one complaint, then the pub I used to live near to, would have been closed many many times over, and not just due to noise.
Just considering the closed venues you've named in Sheffield, they are in places where there wouldn't be a nuisance call from residents. Mainly because there are none near enough for it to be a nuisance.
If the lovers of live music were so keen, the venues would still be open due to demand. Maybe fewer people enjoy live music nowadays. Unless the venues have priced themselves out of the market - after all, live music venues do still exist.
Is this thread just meant to be a list of closed venues then?
Quote by Aurora_female
Yes with respect to the new costs but if you read the whole post you will see it was never about scrapping free, I was aware of free members, the complaint was about cost and just some of us paying for that portion of the improvements that we all had put on us, wanted or not...

If you want previously free members to pay for anything, then yes it clearly is about scrapping free.
Quote by gulsonroad30664
So what do you suggest we do? dunno
solutions come from knowledge not ignorance. people have got to wake up as they are doing across the planet. mind controlling programes like soaps and the media's fixation with celebs and football while our social condition is collapsing all around us comes to mind.
we all need to think more for ourselves and filter more what the media rams down our throats. dont accept the news given to us. seek out the truth as it will prevail in the end.
Quote by gulsonroad30664
So if people stop watching Eastenders and Stictly come Dancing, petrol prices will drop? :dunno: Cool i can cope with that, but i draw the line at Corrie.
scoff powers and keep paying more for enegy utilities and fuel until you have to decide between food on the table or paying bills. you are being robbed along with everyone else but you dont know it....yet, but you will in the end.
So, Gulson. Do you never watch television or read the news? What news do you accept? What is the truth that you have sought and which will prevail? What is the answer? Are you being robbed, along with everyone else? If not, how have you escaped being robbed?
Quote by flower411

Free members are here and yes some are aware that they exist, others are not, the site will stand by its agreement but no one can possibly think it is right that we pay for something we did not ask for also. This was never about being a free/paying member, but when it comes down to an "all singing, all dancing" then we should all share that cost.

can't quite work out if that is an argument for or against their being free members- i never asked for or particually wanted most of the changes as i pretty much just use the forums, which if anything have deteriorated since going commercial- the advert section still has the same ratio of dreamers, chancers, rude/arsey people with a few gems thrown in and the search function is a shite and useless as it was when i joined lol
So that leaves chat, which i don't use- wank pictures, which i don't use- wank movies- which i don't use.......in fact, can i just have the old site back and not pay anything for that instead? :mrgreen:
I`ll second that !!
I`m still a bit confused about the original post ....I`ve read it and reread it and I`m still sure that it was a complaint about there being free members.
I`m sure there is plenty of evidence that many free members argued against lots of the changes and now we find find that paying members didn`t want them either !! So who exactly did want them ?
Agreed Flower - if not, why so many references to the 'free' members?
I don't use most of the features. Many of the changes have made little difference to me.
At the end of the day, nobody is made to pay - if you object so much or can't afford it, don't pay. Simples. And that's not a 'f*ck you' to paying members; it's just a pretty straightforward choice really.
Quote by HnS
A Scottish council has confirmed it may consider introducing a four-day week in its primary and secondary schools to cope with planned funding cuts.
North Ayrshire Council said it was one of a number of future options being considered
Carol Kirk, the council's education director, said, "The option to deliver the statutory 25 hours of education per week over four rather than five days is also being explored by other local authorities in Scotland."
If implemented it could save the council more than £2m.
The council may also consider starting primary education a year later, when pupils are six-years-old, although no decisions have been taken on the proposals.

And what do you think about that, HnS?
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
How can it be racist ?? unless the only people you believe to be british are white .....british people come from all races and religions....see the clue is in the word RACISM this is pertinent to race not nationality.
An idiot short sighted policy it may be but racist?? clearly not

From the article:
'Miss Knightley, who said she was “humiliated” by the incident, began to question the rules of the group when she saw that her British friend – who has Malaysian and Indian parents – was allowed to stay.'
Clearly, from the above quote, they are using skin colour as a guide to nationality.
So, according to the article:
'A spokeswoman for the Equality and Human Rights Commission said: “Under the Equality Act 2010, if the club set up especially for people from a particular ethnic or national group then discrimination on the basis of nationality or ethnic or national origin is not unlawful, but discrimination based on colour is prohibited.”'
- they are discriminating on the basis of colour and should be dealt with accordingly. Either way you look at it, it's discrimination.
Quote by hisandhers
Welcome back wave

:happy: Flower411 your still here!! wink
Can I ask about some others? Naughtywigan? is she still a brill mod? Poashkate? is she still gorgous? My neighbour MikeNorth? God theres loads? Frecklebird? god there was so many people... its been so long, I have forgotten their names redface
Helloooooooooo smile