People have said that the aircraft was being tracked on radar. Was it ? Most of the oceans are NOT covered by radar survailance. The Americans have shown it is possible to hide a whole carrier group from radar detection in mid ocean. Is there not conflicting reports as to if the aircraft was turning back when it vanished ? If it was being tracked on radar, that would be known !! Also, even if the aircraft, intact, pointed straight down under power it would still take something like one minute to hit the water, surely any radar tracking would see that ?
I'm wondering if the radar satelites operated by the major powers covered this area of ocean ?
Can't offer any theories as to where it went, but it will be somewhere, either on land or under the water.
John
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Mostly agreeing with Mids, the EU seems to want to try and have just about EVERY Country on the Continent to be influenced by or part of the EU. Obviously Russia has a large interest in Ukraine and is especially sensitive about Crimea, as it is home to the Black Sea Fleet.
I think Putin has got his way now and Crimea will go back to being part of Russia, but Putin perhaps should have invited independent observers in to oversee the referendum. He should also have distanced himself from the deposed Ukraine President and promised to work with outside Nations to recover for Ukraine any money stolen by the ex-pres.
Putin is no fool and he can out-smart very many Western Politicians.
John
I think Putin has got his way now and Crimea will go back to being part of Russia, but Putin perhaps should have invited independent observers in to oversee the referendum. He should also have distanced himself from the deposed Ukraine President and promised to work with outside Nations to recover for Ukraine any money stolen by the ex-pres.
Putin is no fool and he can out-smart very many Western Politicians.
John
From todays Daily Mirror ! And no I don't know and can't prove any details or facts but...............
Uganda has banned miniskirts being worn as they call the style indecent ! Some wearers have been assaulted in recent weeks with some stripped publicly as a punishment. Ethics Minister Simon Lokodo, said "women who wore anything which does not reach the knees should be arrested".
Clearly we should be offering asylum to these Ugandan women....................Or not ???
OK, let battle commence !!!
John
Uganda has banned miniskirts being worn as they call the style indecent ! Some wearers have been assaulted in recent weeks with some stripped publicly as a punishment. Ethics Minister Simon Lokodo, said "women who wore anything which does not reach the knees should be arrested".
Clearly we should be offering asylum to these Ugandan women....................Or not ???
OK, let battle commence !!!
John
Quote by MidsCouple24
Meanwhile I have a question regarding your statement ......
"Within the next ten years, probably by 2020, we will be at war in Africa. I wonder how many people will agree with us 'going in' at the time, and how many of them will moan about Ugandan immigration then."
What evidence/proof do you have that this Nation will declare war on a or a number of African Nations, or that a Nation or Nations within the Continent of Africa will declare war on the United Kingdom ?
How can Trevaunance attack Jed for posting anything which has only the slightest bit of "personal opinion" or "supposition" when he predicts a war which is up to 10 years in the future ?? Credibility gone !!
John
Mid August is peak season, you may be pushed to get any "cheapish" apartments or villas already.
Look on search engines for AGN or Peng France then phone either / both see what they have left.
Or phone the Campsite and see if they have space for you.
As regards cost, probably both about the same in total and both have pros and cons.
J & S
Look on search engines for AGN or Peng France then phone either / both see what they have left.
Or phone the Campsite and see if they have space for you.
As regards cost, probably both about the same in total and both have pros and cons.
J & S
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Let us not forget that it was illegal to perform a sexual act with a member of the same sex not that long ago in the United Kingdom, we learnt that this was wrong a passed laws that actually made it legal at a certain age.
Hetrosexual acts do not have that protection because it has never been challenged in our courts for two consenting adults of the opposite sex to have sexual encounters.
Apply for planning permission for a swingers club in the UK and you could be turned down because the relative Council "do not think that such a premises is wanted in the area".
Apply for planning permission for a gay sauna and the council could not refuse the application on those grounds, they would have to use, residential upset, noise or parking reasons for example because it is a legitimate business recognised in law.
Most Swingers clubs in the UK are registered as Private Members Health Clubs, Naturist Clubs or Health Spa's as these are the only businesses of a similar nature that the Council can grant applications for, all gay saunas in the UK are registered as Gay Saunas.
Sorry Mids, but you're talking rubbish again. Please when making comparisons compare apples to apples and not to oranges.
When applying to the council for a gay sauna licence then the appropriate comparison would be to just a sauna, not a swingers club! And of course the council can refuse it on the grounds of being a sauna! whosoever it was for would have no bearing on their decision, but it may have bearing on the publics planning objections, which the council have to take in to account.
Anyway, back to the topic. The argument is not about whether the laws in Uganda are at fault, the argument is about should we accept persecution as a gay person be a valid reason for asylum in this country.
As far as I am concerned then yes it is. you can not "help" being gay. It is part of your genetic makeup. You can not be cured, You can not suppress it. Therefore it obeys the criteria for asylum, in fact it is a better reason for asylum than for persecution for your religious beliefs!!!
Then do we grant asylum to adulterers (sp?) from Saudi, who certainly do face jail, or worse, for that act? You could argue they are being persecuted for their sexuality. After all, it has been established that some people have a gene that makes them much more prone to serial philandering.
John
Quote by Toots
sorry but totally disagree. If some one is being persecuted because of their sexuality, surely other nations, including us must look sympathetically at their plight.
Not our fight and whilst it's regrettable the current the law in Uganda regarding gay people I'm really tired of the likes of the UK and the US keep sticking their oar into another countries business.
People are persecuted the world over and for a multitude of reasons, we either fight everyones fight for them enbloc or we do something that rarely seems to be the norm and that is let them get on with it and find their own way which inevitably they will.
Totally agree !! Lets just try keeping out of everyone else's problems for a while !
John
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and trust me, even there where activities, clubs, after school care are in abundance,
To say nothing of all those out of school activity clubs such as Swimming, Athletics, Dance Classe, Football, and such like that will most likely struggle or fail due to dwindling or non existent children in them
Quote by M1ssVery
So state schools want to mimic private schools? Besides the kids, who's going to compensate the already worn out staff?
That would require thought/planning and a good amount of money, something Gove seems unable to do or offer.
He's the Secretary of State. The minutiae of making it happen is not his job.
His job is to facilitate it through legislation
No !! His job is to have a workable idea, fully funded, with proven goals, which have backing from those who have to deliver said goals !!!
Mr Gove rolling out of bed one morning with a "whim" or an "idea" is just not the same thing at all.
John
Mr Gove surely is certifiable ? At least by the standards of people who have common sense, tho perhaps not by the people who make up the rest of the Gov.
Without massive recruitment of extra Teachers how could they provide 10 hour per day of education ? Ah, hang on, did this Gov not say it was OK for untrained people to become Teachers ?
Answers simple then, anyone on the dole queue, qualified or not, into the classroom with you !! Here's your chalk, get on with it !! What ? Your Polish and can't speak English ? No problem, we want kids to have a second language, your just what we need.
John
Without massive recruitment of extra Teachers how could they provide 10 hour per day of education ? Ah, hang on, did this Gov not say it was OK for untrained people to become Teachers ?
Answers simple then, anyone on the dole queue, qualified or not, into the classroom with you !! Here's your chalk, get on with it !! What ? Your Polish and can't speak English ? No problem, we want kids to have a second language, your just what we need.
John
Quote by Too Hot
Ner ner ne nerner my bete noir is worse than your bete noir ... what utter bollocks
why Do Conservatives Lie ?
We are ruled by a cabal of wealthy white middle class men and on the whole always have been. This cabal have no interest in disturbing the status quo . The Tories manoeuvre to further polarize the nation .The labour party make noises to redress the balance but haven't since Michael Foots' leadership even looked like they might enact any policy to do this. There has been a class war fought in this country since the 70's and the Tories have all but won it, parliamentary politics does not offer the working classes a solution to their problems and will not until those in charge are forced to pay attention .The unions offer a solution (yes even now) offering the working classes a means of protest and organising that protest the alternatives would I suggest be far less palatable to our 'rulers'
Thatcher and Scargill are both deeply flawed self serving individuals but so have been many of our greatest leaders .... I would suggest that the best way to judge a politician is look what they're aiming at and not necessarily at whether or not they hit it.
Why do POLITICIANS lie ... because we fail to make it in their best interests not to .. Simple
And whilst the oiks, riff raff and rag tag nobodies moan and complain about how unfair life is...... We get 3,000,000 incoming immigrants who have come here with very little and many have built successful businesses and enterprises whilst the downtrodden still complain about the unfairness of life.
The problem is that we have evolved an unrealistic expectation of what a (any) government can do for us and so blaming " them" is easier than taking it on the chin and getting on with life.
The smaller and less intrusive our government becomes, the more personal responsibility people will have to take and, in my opinion, that is no bad thing.
Just been watching the TV news about a village in Lebanon, near the Syrian border. The population of this village is now 25% original inhabitants and 75% Syrian refugees. By TooHot's reckoning, this is going to be the richest place on earth soon, with a less intrusive government and a load of incoming immigrants willing to work their socks off !!! We'll see.
John
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With the revelations from the 30 year rule about the 75 Coal Mine list for closure that Maggie always said never existed, but in fact certainly did, should Mrs Thatcher now be officially and legitimately called;
Maggie the Liar ????
John
YES...without a doubt
And since Arthur Scargill has at least twice tried to buy the London flat (owned by the NUM) he occupies (until recetly, rent free!!) under Mrs T's Right to Buy scheme could he not rightly be called a hypocryte?
Yes. also very true.
But we're British, we should know by now that the phrase "Lions led by Donkeys" not only applies in wartime !!
John
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Maybe the passage of time has altered memories, but I saw the miners strike from a town which had a very profitable pit, with years of reserves left. Note I said town not village. The pit is long gone now !! But the town was big enough to cope.
The NUM did not suddenly proclaim, out of the blue, one day that they were going on strike.
There had been rumours circulating about mass pit closures for some time and about 20 pits were closing a year up to then.
What happened was that the mining villages, where they relied on the pit for most incomes, said "we have to do something" the NUM was playing catch-up to respond to this, then it all got nasty.
In the villages, they were not trying to bring down the Gov. they were trying to preserve a way of life !! It may have been a horrible job, an in-efficient industry, but it was their way of life and they wanted it preserving.
You might look at it in regard to the "travellers" of today. Most people would not want that way of life but do we have the right to decide to take action which would end that way of life ?
John
In my opinion the Miners were the victims of their own power, their own unions, the world had witnessed the miners in Russia and China holding their respective nations to ransom, all the Unions in the UK were being run by power crazy leaders who cared more about personal power and personal gain than the actual members, they knew that Thatcher would not allow them to bring down the Government or hold the Nation to ransom, but they went ahead with a no-win strike anyway. when it costs twice as much to get a bag of coal out of the ground than you can sell it for something has to give, when you can buy coal from abroad at half the price even the profitable pits can sell it for then your onto a loser, look at today with the price of fuel, if the UK population were told that their energy bills would be cut in half tomorrow if we bought gas and electricity from Iran or North Korea but at the expense of many British workers do you think they would support the workers, I think not.
The IRA tried to hold Maggie to ransom, Bobby Sands tried the hardest and look what happened to him
Stop the Miners and you stop the shipyard union, the Transport and General union, the Steel union, show me a 70s, 80s Great British industry and I will show you they had a powerful Union and that the industry you name is no longer with us or here but in dire straits.Shipbuilding, Steel, Pottery, Coal, Car manufacture, Railways.
OK, The Gas and Electricity industries had powerful unions !!! Those industries are still with us, but privatised by Maggie.
So to turn it round a bit, out of all the privatised industries, which of them do you look at today and say "Thank God we privatised them, they are now much better for Joe Public" ???
John
Maybe the passage of time has altered memories, but I saw the miners strike from a town which had a very profitable pit, with years of reserves left. Note I said town not village. The pit is long gone now !! But the town was big enough to cope.
The NUM did not suddenly proclaim, out of the blue, one day that they were going on strike.
There had been rumours circulating about mass pit closures for some time and about 20 pits were closing a year up to then.
What happened was that the mining villages, where they relied on the pit for most incomes, said "we have to do something" the NUM was playing catch-up to respond to this, then it all got nasty.
In the villages, they were not trying to bring down the Gov. they were trying to preserve a way of life !! It may have been a horrible job, an in-efficient industry, but it was their way of life and they wanted it preserving.
You might look at it in regard to the "travellers" of today. Most people would not want that way of life but do we have the right to decide to take action which would end that way of life ?
John
The NUM did not suddenly proclaim, out of the blue, one day that they were going on strike.
There had been rumours circulating about mass pit closures for some time and about 20 pits were closing a year up to then.
What happened was that the mining villages, where they relied on the pit for most incomes, said "we have to do something" the NUM was playing catch-up to respond to this, then it all got nasty.
In the villages, they were not trying to bring down the Gov. they were trying to preserve a way of life !! It may have been a horrible job, an in-efficient industry, but it was their way of life and they wanted it preserving.
You might look at it in regard to the "travellers" of today. Most people would not want that way of life but do we have the right to decide to take action which would end that way of life ?
John
Quote by niceandgentle
Gerty a few years ago at my workplace a few of us were just chatting and somehow 'the subject' came up. Was it a moment for me to reveal I had taken part in things?
No, absolutely not.
Everyone condemned it, one woman totally, yet I knew she had slept with 5 men so far that year including guys she'd met in bars that night. The logic was you could be promiscuous one at a time but not share sex with two or three or more partners at the same time. I remember just clamming up thinking if only you all knew what I have done in the past!
Quite true. There is a guy at work who goes out to Thailand twice a year to visit the prostitutes out there. He is quite open about it, tells you how much he's paid, shows pictures, the lot. But I know I'd be mocked, or condemned, more than he because myself and Shel have sex, without payment, with other consenting adults !!!
Isn't that strange ???
J & S
A few years ago at SH munches it was a rule that no photos were to be taken. Same rule went at private parties we went to. And a camera at a swingers club would invite physical injury !!
Now it seems that everyone has a camera phone out at parties even when play is happening !! Makes us nervous and annoyed !!
Once your photo is taken, you have no control of where it will end up !
We would not attend any play party if we knew in advance people would be taking photos.
John & Shel
Now it seems that everyone has a camera phone out at parties even when play is happening !! Makes us nervous and annoyed !!
Once your photo is taken, you have no control of where it will end up !
We would not attend any play party if we knew in advance people would be taking photos.
John & Shel
