I said I don't know the price yet, I am guesstimating being generous with amounts thinking that it is better to overestimate than underbudget. Let me get the quotes and I'll tell you something more solid.
As for Hedonism, yes, you can go there for much less and you have the added bonus of being able to escape people you don't really fancy seeing. But it is one place, not many as one would get to see on a cruise. And the beach there is not divine as it is man made and small. Frankly if I had a few friends, I would much rather rent a villa with pool overlooking the sea in Ocho Rios and do my own thing. Jamaica is one of my dream destinations.
Anyway, talking about expensive, how much do you guys normally spend on a holiday? I always seem to go for the affordable package holidays where one week is like £500 including airfare but always end up spending as much on food and beverages and if I rent a car it is twice as much. In any case I have never spent less than £1000 on a holiday and it's only been for a week (six nights...), travelling at ungodly hours in charter airlines where the seats don' t fit me, suffering delays at airports and long bus rides till the final destination (why is it always my hotel that is the last drop off point for the bus?)
I don't mean to sound as if I am showing off here, so please forgive me if that is the impression I am giving to you. I do know the value of money and how hard it is to save up for a dream holiday or a dream - period. Getting the best quote possible is also to my advantage ;) I don' t need fancy yachts, just something comfortable that sails safely, has a working fridge for the all essential cold beers and a flushing toilet.
Give me some time and I'll have costs FYI.
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Tania
What sort of cost is this all likely to be?
Initial research brings up a cost of £200 per person per night. This does not include airfare, land transport, dinners, drinks, motorised sports, entrance fees to sites or tips. I have asked for the full info as different companies have different things included in the price. For example one company will not offer food in the price and you must pay £100 a week per person for your 3 course lunch (salad, main and fruit). Now I am sure we could do lunch with much much less if we wanted...
For 10 days the cost could easily be £3000 per person all inclusive but it would be on a really decent boat with full crew.
I will have a better estimate once I get all the info.
I am sure that if single males or females wanted to join us, they would be perfectly safe and of course no one has to do something they don't want to do. Yes, it will be a yachtful of swingers but without pressure and no guarantee of action.
Frecklebird, it is a very good point you have raised and there may actually have been groups of people who have done it already and could give us some tips. And yes, it is a small space and it is necessary for people to get along and to have respect for each other for the cruise to be successful. But sometimes even in one's own family or close circle of friends, misunderstandings are inevitable. In which case, dissidents will be tied to the main mast - my answer for everything!
Frecklebird, it is a very good point you have raised and there may actually have been groups of people who have done it already and could give us some tips. And yes, it is a small space and it is necessary for people to get along and to have respect for each other for the cruise to be successful. But sometimes even in one's own family or close circle of friends, misunderstandings are inevitable. In which case, dissidents will be tied to the main mast - my answer for everything!
With regards to the participants, first I don't expect too many people would be able to afford this kind of holiday and second those who could might not have the luxury of time due to hard working schedules, family arrangements, etc. So that will leave a very small number of people interested. Out of these, I expect at least 75% to be willing in spirit but not really able to commit early enough. So there will be few people left and if these people are known to the forums and through munches and generally get on well with everybody, then there will be a good base for participants. Then it is first come-first served - those who will be able to confirm early and put up the deposit, will be the ones going.
I am now looking into the option of bareback - sorry! bareboat chartering with the hiring of a skipper. If anyone here has a sailing diploma and does not mind skippering, please make yourself known.
As for play out in the open, that should be possible in remote beaches or late at night when the crew are out having a good time in town and I would emphasise to the agent that this will be a clothes optional charter (for us, not them!) so they can pair us with unshockable crew members.
Hopefully some other people will help the development of this project with their input. Don't be shy, even if you can't come, your ideas are welcome!
I am now looking into the option of bareback - sorry! bareboat chartering with the hiring of a skipper. If anyone here has a sailing diploma and does not mind skippering, please make yourself known.
As for play out in the open, that should be possible in remote beaches or late at night when the crew are out having a good time in town and I would emphasise to the agent that this will be a clothes optional charter (for us, not them!) so they can pair us with unshockable crew members.
Hopefully some other people will help the development of this project with their input. Don't be shy, even if you can't come, your ideas are welcome!
If someone (say me) was organising a swinging cruise for early summer 2007, what should she watch out for to ensure the 7-11 guests had a good time? What are the most important things?
Is it space?
Private facilities for each cabin?
Luxurious surroundings?
TV and CD players?
Watersport facilities on board (e.g. waterski, ski jet, fishing equipment, scuba diving equipment?)
Rooms just for couples or no problem sharing room with a single as well?
Sunbathing space on deck?
Shore excursions taking in places of natural beauty and history?
Shopping expeditions?
Chef on board or can we do our own catering? If self catering, each one responsible for their own meal arrangements or appoint chef amongst us?
Staff to clean up after us or can we all pitch in?
Evening entertainment (e.g. karaoke on board or piano or DVDs or board games)?
Free bar (cost of alcohol to be included in price) or BYOB arrangements?
What about the overall cost?
What would make/spoil a cruise for you?
What's the perfect duration: 7, 10, or 14 nights?
I forgot to mention that the sailing holiday would take place in Greece.
PS: once on board, anyone misbehaving would be tied up to the main mast... LOL
I look forward to your input. Thank you.
Is it space?
Private facilities for each cabin?
Luxurious surroundings?
TV and CD players?
Watersport facilities on board (e.g. waterski, ski jet, fishing equipment, scuba diving equipment?)
Rooms just for couples or no problem sharing room with a single as well?
Sunbathing space on deck?
Shore excursions taking in places of natural beauty and history?
Shopping expeditions?
Chef on board or can we do our own catering? If self catering, each one responsible for their own meal arrangements or appoint chef amongst us?
Staff to clean up after us or can we all pitch in?
Evening entertainment (e.g. karaoke on board or piano or DVDs or board games)?
Free bar (cost of alcohol to be included in price) or BYOB arrangements?
What about the overall cost?
What would make/spoil a cruise for you?
What's the perfect duration: 7, 10, or 14 nights?
I forgot to mention that the sailing holiday would take place in Greece.
PS: once on board, anyone misbehaving would be tied up to the main mast... LOL
I look forward to your input. Thank you.
It sounds as though you have fallen prey to picture collectors because I can't think of a reason a genuine swinger would want a full set of pics to decide whether they want to take it further or not.
If it were me, I would expect to see a face pic, even if the characteristics are blurred. Then there would be a brief exchange of emails where you can tell the other party's character, educational level, attitudes, morality even. If all was well, we'd talk on the phone. We would then proceed to exchanging an unedited face pic or a full body shot (clothed or not) or chat via webcam. Then we'd arrange to meet. Note here that if you do go to a meeting and the other party does not show up that does not necessarily mean he/she/they were after your pics, but probably they lost their bottle at the last minute.
Munches/socials are the best places to meet people who are serious about swinging. Speak to Robert1961 as he will be arranging another social for autumn (LOL I have just volunteered him) for people in the wider London area. The next big social is Black on White but I do not remember what area it will be in, probably far, but you could always make a weekend of it.
Good luck and don't lose hope, nor faith.
If it were me, I would expect to see a face pic, even if the characteristics are blurred. Then there would be a brief exchange of emails where you can tell the other party's character, educational level, attitudes, morality even. If all was well, we'd talk on the phone. We would then proceed to exchanging an unedited face pic or a full body shot (clothed or not) or chat via webcam. Then we'd arrange to meet. Note here that if you do go to a meeting and the other party does not show up that does not necessarily mean he/she/they were after your pics, but probably they lost their bottle at the last minute.
Munches/socials are the best places to meet people who are serious about swinging. Speak to Robert1961 as he will be arranging another social for autumn (LOL I have just volunteered him) for people in the wider London area. The next big social is Black on White but I do not remember what area it will be in, probably far, but you could always make a weekend of it.
Good luck and don't lose hope, nor faith.
The money is more but so are the dangers. Heard something recently about some massage parlor murders...
Also once you get used to this kind of money, there is no going back, which to me is the biggest pitfall of all.
His wife could have made lots of money offering phone sex services from home at the times that would suit her (when children are asleep or at school). That would have been a lot safer as there is no actual contact with the clients.
Again I don't see what we can do about Cossie's domestic situation. It really does not matter what we think. It is her life and she is going to live it as she wants.
Also once you get used to this kind of money, there is no going back, which to me is the biggest pitfall of all.
His wife could have made lots of money offering phone sex services from home at the times that would suit her (when children are asleep or at school). That would have been a lot safer as there is no actual contact with the clients.
Again I don't see what we can do about Cossie's domestic situation. It really does not matter what we think. It is her life and she is going to live it as she wants.
So filling shelves at Asda is not her cup of tea? Or qualifying as a childminder so she can take care of your kids and other people's at home? Or being an Avon/Oriflame lady? Why do I get the feeling she is actually enjoying working at the massage parlor? That it was not the last resort for her but the first choice?
Of course you will feel odd about it, no matter how liberated you are. This is a matter that you and your wife have to sort out for yourselves.
Sorry I can't be of any help.
Of course you will feel odd about it, no matter how liberated you are. This is a matter that you and your wife have to sort out for yourselves.
Sorry I can't be of any help.
I am scared of being trapped so I have to have the doors open at home (even the bathroom door) clothes and shoes at hand and a clear escape route. It stems from too many natural disasters happening in my formative years (earthquakes, fires...) I sometimes get the same panic with relationships. Once I experience that closed in feeling, I want to flee.
Mine was past the age of majority at an exotic location. Was seduced by the tour guide. I was too stressed to be able to enjoy it and there was some misunderstanding between the tenses of the verb To Come which ended up with a kick on the tour guide's stomach, him doubled up on the floor with a painful erection and me rushing off to the toilet to douche any potential offspring off. When I had finally resigned to fate thinking if I was pregnant, I was pregnant and there was nothing much I could do right then, I went back to the room and tried to get intimate again but the guy said 'oh no! you are not doing it to me again, lady!' So much for my big romance! :cry:
I'd be a beautiful classic car, the type that comes out on special occasions all spruced up and shining with the owner carefully showing her off. I'd be black and burgundy with nice silver bumpers and big round headlights. I'd have leather seats of course and lots of headroom. Definitely a car built for comfort, not speed.
Pierlover
It had long been a fantasy of mine to do exactly what you are fantasising. I had talked about it with my ex partner but he was never too keen on making it a reality. The closest we came to it was having a play session with another guy photographing us and then this guy getting on the bed and touching me intimately whilst my ex partner was busy reviewing the pics. When he saw what was happening he got really upset but later on admitted the sight had turned him on. Still he never helped me get my fantasy
Perhaps your girlfriend would really love to do that but is afraid to press the issue in case you think SHE is weird, etc. Just ask her straight out if she remembers saying that to you and if she was serious.
I sincerely hope you both get to live out your fantasies as life is too short to pass it feeling disgruntled.
It had long been a fantasy of mine to do exactly what you are fantasising. I had talked about it with my ex partner but he was never too keen on making it a reality. The closest we came to it was having a play session with another guy photographing us and then this guy getting on the bed and touching me intimately whilst my ex partner was busy reviewing the pics. When he saw what was happening he got really upset but later on admitted the sight had turned him on. Still he never helped me get my fantasy
Perhaps your girlfriend would really love to do that but is afraid to press the issue in case you think SHE is weird, etc. Just ask her straight out if she remembers saying that to you and if she was serious.
I sincerely hope you both get to live out your fantasies as life is too short to pass it feeling disgruntled.
Exactly! And that is what I don't like about it. It becomes a quest. 'I'll make you cum, no matter what!' Well, maybe I don't want to cum, maybe my head is too full of life's little worries to be able to concentrate, maybe I don't fancy you at the end of the day... why should I allow this thing to happen to me? My now ex went on a mission when my brain denied him because my body didn't want him and he always succeeded to make my cum. But in this way he robbed me of the joy of simple non-forced orgasms. The whole thing turned too mechanical for my liking and increased my feelings of resentment.
There is also another slant: forcing someone to orgasm may increase his/her feeling of inadequacy as in their head the record is playing this refrain: 'why can't I cum easily? what's wrong with me? why do I take so long to cum?'
Anyway, to answer winchwench, men do fantasise a lot about being helpless but won't admit it unless it is to someone they trust implicitly.
There is also another slant: forcing someone to orgasm may increase his/her feeling of inadequacy as in their head the record is playing this refrain: 'why can't I cum easily? what's wrong with me? why do I take so long to cum?'
Anyway, to answer winchwench, men do fantasise a lot about being helpless but won't admit it unless it is to someone they trust implicitly.
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Tania I find your comments quite worrying and agree with Dark that you are talking about something quite different, and as Dark says (wise woman, that DF) the swinging environment is no place to be 'making love' (unless you discover a connection with a partner with whom you're swinging - but then surely it stops being swinging and becomes a relationship?)
H.x
Sorry I thought we were discussing all kinds of sexual relationships, not just swinging. Anyway, forced orgasms are very humiliating - degrading even, but that is only my opinion, it is not the holy gospel.
Something that others haven't mentioned is that you can get the virus from using a towel that an infected person has used or through touch (infected person touches their sore then shakes your hand or pinches your cheek...) Just stay clear of people with sores on their mouths or warts on their genitals and always carry a torch for the essential checkup at clubs! LOL Alternatively, play only with people you trust.
My husband stole our marriage album when he left me and only recently I found out that he had stolen lots more pictures that he had no rights to. I don't care about the marriage pics but I am quite upset about him taking pics of my life before I met him. The only thing that consoles me is that he stole them because he thought I looked great in them and wanted to have proof that he had once married up in society. 
I am sure you can happily combine the two as you are a couple and will always be there to look after each other when scening with strangers.
I don't know which of you is the top and which the bottom or if you are both switches but I can see the top tying up the bottom and letting others feel him/her to get the horny juices flowing, then a bit of play between the two being witnessed by an audience, then perhaps a little menage a trois ... yes, the more I think of it, it could work out very well.
My one complaint about BDSM clubs was that things stopped short of penetration and that never really made sense to me as BDSM is a highly sexual activity for me. One thing I would advise is wait and see how serious the play gets in the swinging clubs before indulding into any heavy play as that might shock innocent bystanders. Also you have to be very vigilant of your toys in case someone decides to use them. (I once took my pinwheel to a party and it went from hand to hand without even people asking my permission to touch it and I freaked out because it is so easy to prick one's finger with it and spread disease. Needless to say I did not use it, thereafter.)
Enjoy!
I don't know which of you is the top and which the bottom or if you are both switches but I can see the top tying up the bottom and letting others feel him/her to get the horny juices flowing, then a bit of play between the two being witnessed by an audience, then perhaps a little menage a trois ... yes, the more I think of it, it could work out very well.
My one complaint about BDSM clubs was that things stopped short of penetration and that never really made sense to me as BDSM is a highly sexual activity for me. One thing I would advise is wait and see how serious the play gets in the swinging clubs before indulding into any heavy play as that might shock innocent bystanders. Also you have to be very vigilant of your toys in case someone decides to use them. (I once took my pinwheel to a party and it went from hand to hand without even people asking my permission to touch it and I freaked out because it is so easy to prick one's finger with it and spread disease. Needless to say I did not use it, thereafter.)
Enjoy!
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Inertesting twist but whats the "best" way to be dumpedat the end of the day ur still DUMPED
I recently broke up with my boyfriend (baby's dad). I wasn't intending to do so but we were on the phone and I told him about my swinging experiences of late and he got terribly upset. I, in turn, got upset and told him that he couldn't hold me down when he was not even able to guarantee me a happily ever after future. I had a lot of anger brewing up in me for so long that breaking up seemed the only possible solution. He got abusive on the phone at which point I put the phone down. Then he began ringing me incessantly until I got so fed up with it that I had to tell him that I had no desire to talk to him any more after what he had said. We did talk about it when we both calmed down eventually and I tried to explain to him my reasons for wanting to be free, not that it made much difference to the way he felt. He maintained that I was doing to him what my ex partner had done to me and then it dawned upon me that all relationships have a time limit and sooner or later one or the other party will say goodbye.
I couldn't go on living a life of pretending any more. I know that I used swinging as an excuse and I am not proud of it but he is the type who always needs a reason why and telling him that I didn't love him any more and I couldn't stand being with him would have be more devastating than pretending that I am in touch with my inner slut. :cry:
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I agree with Tania to a point in that I reserve my kisses for special people (so far anyway). Although, when you first meet someone in a Vanilla situation, kissing is like a benchmark...... if a kiss doesnt make your stomach turn to butterflies for me its a no go!
xanaisx
And when your stomach fills with butterflies, then what? Sometimes there is nowhere to go; sometimes there is just that moment, that place, that person. Blink and it's gone!
Well I am glad this subject has come up. I will sleep better tonight knowing that the kiss I got at the munch meant nothing much really. I was under the impression that swingers don't kiss, so you can imagine how confused I felt about its meaning!
However, I think I wouldn't want to kiss just anyone that I had sex with. For me a kiss is an expression of tender and caring feelings and I would rather reserve it for someone special.
However, I think I wouldn't want to kiss just anyone that I had sex with. For me a kiss is an expression of tender and caring feelings and I would rather reserve it for someone special.
Funny you should mention that, I saw lots of familiar faces at the airport and I can only guess I have either spotted them on cam or at Rio's!
Also Anais seemed extremely familiar to me at the munch but I couldn't quite place where I have seen her before. I hope my staring at her did not frighten her
Also Anais seemed extremely familiar to me at the munch but I couldn't quite place where I have seen her before. I hope my staring at her did not frighten her
I quite fancy older guys and have had a long term relationship with someone 19 years my senior and a fling with someone 24 years my senior. Older men never let me down, they give me exactly what I enjoy in life - attention, good manners, interesting conversation and so on plus they know which buttons to push to turn me into a quivering bowl of jelly.
I have a minimum age limit in my profile of 32 and that is because anyone younger is not mature enough for my liking but if I met someone younger at a munch and we built a rapport, then I would not let his age stop me from getting to know him more intimately (however, it might pose a problem for something more longer term.)
I have a minimum age limit in my profile of 32 and that is because anyone younger is not mature enough for my liking but if I met someone younger at a munch and we built a rapport, then I would not let his age stop me from getting to know him more intimately (however, it might pose a problem for something more longer term.)
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so, what about the concept of 'forced orgasm'?
one of the areas of loss of control play that fascinates me is how, particularly within the Dom/sub scene, orgasm can be 'forced'
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so, i'm interested to see if anyone else has heard of it, done it, fantasised about it (or maybe you'll all think i'm completely off my trolley) not sure i've explained what i mean too well though
Yes, been there, was subjected to that and hated myself for it afterwards. Forcing orgasms is so cold compared with being made love to regardless of the outcome.
Forcing an orgasm out of a girl is like forcing her to get drunk - where is the fun in that?
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