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Quote by flower411
Regardless of how we may make our choice,we do not vote for a party, we are electing an individual to represent us in M.P. is an individual member of Parliament and Not a representative of a party but of his/her constituents (all of them, not just those who voted for him/her ) The parties do not (officially) exist within Queen can invite any member of Parliament (or I believe the house of lords) to form a government... that she usually invites the leader of the largest Parliamentary group (we have on occasion had minority governments) is a matter of precedent and tradition,not a constitutional obligation (we have NO constitution) ... our democracy and it's practices are a matter of evolution and not , like many other parliaments, design; that it works at all is surprise ... that it used to work so well is a fucking miracle ... that it is failing is increasingly less surprising.
I'd opt for democracy .... I'd opt for our democracy if we can fix it,a benevolent dictatorship would be more efficient and possibly more just than our current and recent governments .... but I'll stick with the opportunity to have my say in who governs us

If only that statement were true ! We all know that it is not true and I assume that`s part of the reason you say the system is failing.
I can only speak from experience but coming from a very politically oriented family I would say that people would vote for anybody who was wearing the right colour at the time.
At 84 my mother has been a staunch party supporter all her life and is still a very active fundraiser. At times she has disliked the chosen candidate intensly but has supported them all the way because they are in the correct party. In my experience a large majority of the people who vote DO in fact vote a particular party and not for the individual.
I`d also take issue with you saying that the elected members then represent all of thier constituents. Of course they SHOULD but we all no for a fact that they don`t.
Does the child then get raised within the same confinement political mindset as the parent?
In the same way religion and culture can do?
The reason I ask is my upbringing was very different in that they were no clear definitions within these guidelines so we were pretty much able to question and ask about anything and become out of it what we choice to be.
To be honest minx, I`m not entirely sure whether you are asking a question or making an accusation ! My Mum grew up in a family with staunch political views with my grandfather being a council chairman in the 1930`s and she has taken the opposite course supporting a party of a different hue .
My views and beliefs are my own and both of my parents encouraged free thought ...my dad was perfectly able to accept beliefs that did not agree with his but my mum finds it hard to deal with.
It was a genuine question not an accusation.
Myself not being bought up in a family with staunch views in the three main areas that I believe can have a big impact on the way we think, which are religion, culture and politics. I was interested as I believe when both parents have stanch beliefs it must be hard for the children within those to be able to think differently. This might be why for example your Mum finds it hard and your Dad is more relaxed about it.
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Hell hath no fury.......

I don't think you know me well enough to assume that. lol
I would like to present you will a wooden spoon wink
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Quote by flower411
Regardless of how we may make our choice,we do not vote for a party, we are electing an individual to represent us in M.P. is an individual member of Parliament and Not a representative of a party but of his/her constituents (all of them, not just those who voted for him/her ) The parties do not (officially) exist within Queen can invite any member of Parliament (or I believe the house of lords) to form a government... that she usually invites the leader of the largest Parliamentary group (we have on occasion had minority governments) is a matter of precedent and tradition,not a constitutional obligation (we have NO constitution) ... our democracy and it's practices are a matter of evolution and not , like many other parliaments, design; that it works at all is surprise ... that it used to work so well is a fucking miracle ... that it is failing is increasingly less surprising.
I'd opt for democracy .... I'd opt for our democracy if we can fix it,a benevolent dictatorship would be more efficient and possibly more just than our current and recent governments .... but I'll stick with the opportunity to have my say in who governs us

If only that statement were true ! We all know that it is not true and I assume that`s part of the reason you say the system is failing.
I can only speak from experience but coming from a very politically oriented family I would say that people would vote for anybody who was wearing the right colour at the time.
At 84 my mother has been a staunch party supporter all her life and is still a very active fundraiser. At times she has disliked the chosen candidate intensly but has supported them all the way because they are in the correct party. In my experience a large majority of the people who vote DO in fact vote a particular party and not for the individual.
I`d also take issue with you saying that the elected members then represent all of thier constituents. Of course they SHOULD but we all no for a fact that they don`t.
Does the child then get raised within the same confinement political mindset as the parent?
In the same way religion and culture can do?
The reason I ask is my upbringing was very different in that they were no clear definitions within these guidelines so we were pretty much able to question and ask about anything and become out of it what we choice to be.
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Quote by flower411
Morning minx ...you were up late !
Tell you what, I`ll start some adult threads for you this morning and then you can sign in every day and add interesting grown up posts. lol

Perception may not always be as it seems. I was awake after having 6 hours sleep I hadn't been up all night as you wrongly implied.
Tell you what, you might want to ridicule me in public but I think you have just made a mockery for your action.
OK you were up early !!
Minx , when you start the day with name calling I`m afraid you should expect a similar response.
The different between you and I is that I have no expectation that people should or will behave the way I do.
I have openly admitted I am a fool, so what you did was just highlight the fact I am.
That is fine, contrary to others views.
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Quote by starlightcouple

Do you two get some childish pleasure from point scoring?
I know you both and it really doesn't reflect well on the people you are.
You are both entitled to have your own opinions but this is pathetic behaviour from two grown men. Although this is just my opinion.

Sorry Minx I was only saying what I thought Flower wanted to hear.
I tell you what seeing as I am tired of answering the said member, I shall as I had promised to try and do, and ignore him completely. I did ask to take it to pm instead of on here but nothing was forthcoming.
So as I have made this pledge and will try and stick to it, as long as I do not get accused in any way of not answering the questions the said member asks.
As the grown up one I shall try my hardest to keep to that promise Minx. passionkiss There is always my pm box if anything needs to really answered.
Star you know I will never see your views in your ways, we have both experiences in life that are so totally different so form our own opinions.
I would like to say thanks for at least helping me express my point of view of what I see. kiss
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Quote by flower411
Morning minx ...you were up late !
Tell you what, I`ll start some adult threads for you this morning and then you can sign in every day and add interesting grown up posts. lol

Perception may not always be as it seems. I was awake after having 6 hours sleep I hadn't been up all night as you wrongly implied.
Tell you what, you might want to ridicule me in public but I think you have just made a mockery for your action.
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Don't forget though it's also the party that hates immigrants too. :giggle:

Fuck me !! I didn`t know UKIP hated immigrants !! I was under the impression that UKIP wanted to discuss and address immigration ....
I thought it was you that hated immigrants !
Your so right. wink Don't shout it too loud though eh?
But I think UKIP have a secret agenda that really they not only want to stop all immigrants from entering the UK but also are looking at repatriation of the ones already here. But schhhhhhhh eh as we better keep that one silent, don't want all and sundry finding out. It can be our little secret. :shock:
Do you two get some childish pleasure from point scoring?
It really doesn't reflect well on the people you are.
You are both entitled to have your own opinions but this is pathetic behaviour from two grown men.
Might be an idea to have some thought of others that might like to use an adult forum and could possibly detract them from doing so.
I am used to you both but makes me wonder why I still post here.
Although this is just my opinion.
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Don't forget though it's also the party that hates immigrants too. :giggle:

Fuck me !! I didn`t know UKIP hated immigrants !! I was under the impression that UKIP wanted to discuss and address immigration ....
I thought it was you that hated immigrants !
Your so right. wink Don't shout it too loud though eh?
But I think UKIP have a secret agenda that really they not only want to stop all immigrants from entering the UK but also are looking at repatriation of the ones already here. But schhhhhhhh eh as we better keep that one silent, don't want all and sundry finding out. It can be our little secret. :shock:
Do you two get some childish pleasure from point scoring?
I know you both and it really doesn't reflect well on the people you are.
You are both entitled to have your own opinions but this is pathetic behaviour from two grown men.
Might be an idea to have some thought of others that might like to use an adult forum and could possibly detract them from doing so.
I am used to you both but makes me wonder why I still post here.
Although this is just my opinion.
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Quote by starlightcouple
Don't forget though it's also the party that hates immigrants too. :giggle:

Fuck me !! I didn`t know UKIP hated immigrants !! I was under the impression that UKIP wanted to discuss and address immigration ....
I thought it was you that hated immigrants !
Your so right. wink Don't shout it too loud though eh?
But I think UKIP have a secret agenda that really they not only want to stop all immigrants from entering the UK but also are looking at repatriation of the ones already here. But schhhhhhhh eh as we better keep that one silent, don't want all and sundry finding out. It can be our little secret. :shock:
Do you two get some childish pleasure from point scoring?
I know you both and it really doesn't reflect well on the people you are.
You are both entitled to have your own opinions but this is pathetic behaviour from two grown men. Although this is just my opinion.
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Regardless of how we may make our choice,we do not vote for a party, we are electing an individual to represent us in M.P. is an individual member of Parliament and Not a representative of a party but of his/her constituents (all of them, not just those who voted for him/her ) The parties do not (officially) exist within Queen can invite any member of Parliament (or I believe the house of lords) to form a government... that she usually invites the leader of the largest Parliamentary group (we have on occasion had minority governments) is a matter of precedent and tradition,not a constitutional obligation (we have NO constitution) ... our democracy and it's practices are a matter of evolution and not , like many other parliaments, design; that it works at all is surprise ... that it used to work so well is a fucking miracle ... that it is failing is increasingly less surprising.
I'd opt for democracy .... I'd opt for our democracy if we can fix it,a benevolent dictatorship would be more efficient and possibly more just than our current and recent governments .... but I'll stick with the opportunity to have my say in who governs us

Thank you Stagger you have helped me untangle my mind. lol
I am in total agreement with you. I see the same thing as you and want to think of a way to stop it untangling. Which was why my previous post my idea of getting rid of the Parties names. I would like to save our system as I believe it can work it has been proven it has got better over the years as it has evolved but evolution never stops and since we have had the introduction of modern technology which with its flaws has also been a tool to help educate us all. I think what media seems to emit is the importance of the party. It shows in house party squabbles, towing the party line, I don't always think that was it intent but it is what people view. I think this has always happened as I am on committees and if you see behind the scene often heated argue as we are all passionate but then all have a drink at the bar afterwards. I don't think politics is much different. I believe is it causing a possibly misguided belief it is divide and rule as that is how it is being viewed. I don't think we can blame anyone what we should be doing is finding a way to work together to find a solution. My idea was to get rid of the use of Parties being a label. Maybe in the past it wasn't seen as being important within politics but I think it seems to be the importance of what the people see.
Do we really need the labels of parties in today society?
With modern day technology and people being far more educated than in previous generations. Could taking away the party names and making the MP's the focus take the system back to its original intent of how it was set up?
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Quote by GnV
Do you need either me or minx to issue a disclaimer/public apology or some other decree?

You lead me astray. smackbottom
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Quote by GnV
"Often dictators overthrow the previous regime via a bloody and violent coup "
Hummm.
Quite often a corrupt democratic one going nowhere..... :lol2:
"On the contrary GnV..........I think people given the CHOICE do ' care a jot '"
Were we not talking about people who are not given the choice...

Do you really think we are given a choice or get a choice with the current way?
I do think you could be out of touch with real issues that are going on, I don't mean the top debates.
Do you know how many people are getting degrees in various areas that can not get work because the work place want those with experience?
Yet are now straddled with high debt because they paid for their own studies.
Did you start in life with debt GNV?
When these people then sign on they are then told they can't work voluntary in the field in which they studied to gain experience to qualify for job seekers but can work in a profitable company stacking shelves instead. Is this a real choice?
You might have read about the one lady that took this case to court but it happening to many of our children.
How about that I work in voluntary sector without being paid and went to local government meeting to ask for £1000 towards a project that would benefit 300+ local people long term and increase numbers of all ages and I wasn't given a voice at the meeting.
Yet a project got funding on the evening to the tune of £15,000 or which £8000 was going to be paid in wages to the organisers of the event for a days event that only attracted 200 people the previous year.
Is that fair and having a choice?
How about small companies that get fined for paying their VAT a few days late that can cause lose of jobs within that company?
Do we really get a choice?
If so can you tell me what that choice is?
I believe it is a damned if we do and damned if we don't when we are trying to do the right thing in society it often feels like an upward struggle.
When I tried to find out why these things are happening I was basically told they are happening all the time.
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Quote by flower411
"One would assume that Star would look on such a man as a bit of a hero !"
Only because he was eventually elected perhaps dunno

Hero is a strong word. Now JT could be labeled as such, but this man I know nothing of.
There have obviously been a lot of dictators over the years but are the people able to be themselves more than they would be under a democracy? If being in a democratic country means a better life for the people, then surely that is better.
Based on the fact that very few people who are able to vote, do vote, how can you say that it is a better life for people in a democracy?
I totally agree with you on this point.
I would of asked you why you think people don't vote? Then read your closing line.
Overall, I would suggest that the majority of people couldn't care a jot about how they are ruled.
I strongly disagree with your view.
Many people I have spoken to and I ask why they don't vote is because they don't know what party to vote for that would be the best for the country as a whole. Most say from the evidence of the past they all say one thing and do another. Many on this forum have often said it including yourself that is the general belief with in the system.
Can't be bothered and showing no interest against systems in place really isn't the same thing as couldn't care a jot about how they are ruled.
They are two completed different things.
I guess you would say it is the people that don't vote that makes a mockery of democracy rather than the system they are being asked to vote in that shows clear evidence that in fact they have made a judgement not to vote than to vote in a system that to them doesn't show true democracy and one you would defend.
I would hazard a guess that people don`t vote because it will make no difference to their lives in any substantial way, not because they don`t care.
I would hazard a guess that people don't vote as the system in place at present shows more about struggling for power than a more fairer and balanced system. I think people do care.
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Quote by GnV
"One would assume that Star would look on such a man as a bit of a hero !"
Only because he was eventually elected perhaps dunno

Hero is a strong word. Now JT could be labeled as such, but this man I know nothing of.
There have obviously been a lot of dictators over the years but are the people able to be themselves more than they would be under a democracy? If being in a democratic country means a better life for the people, then surely that is better.
Based on the fact that very few people who are able to vote, do vote, how can you say that it is a better life for people in a democracy?
I totally agree with you on this point.
I would of asked you why you think people don't vote? Then read your closing line.
Overall, I would suggest that the majority of people couldn't care a jot about how they are ruled.
I strongly disagree with your view.
Many people I have spoken to and I ask why they don't vote is because they don't know what party to vote for that would be the best for the country as a whole. Most say from the evidence of the past they all say one thing and do another. Many on this forum have often said it including yourself that is the general belief with in the system.
Can't be bothered and showing no interest against systems in place really isn't the same thing as couldn't care a jot about how they are ruled.
They are two completed different things.
I guess you would say it is the people that don't vote that makes a mockery of democracy rather than the system they are being asked to vote in that shows clear evidence that in fact they have made a judgement not to vote than to vote in a system that to them doesn't show true democracy and one you would defend.
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Quote by Trevaunance
Nice to see some replies to this question. I'm surprised how many people feel they aren't knowledgeable just because they don't have a formal qualification in something though.

You shouldn't be surprised as that is how we are generally judged across society as a whole isn't it?
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Quote by flower411
Are you trying to talk to yourself minx ?

I always do flower as the great thing about me is I never expect others to listen anyway. I am surprised I even get comments on the stupidity of my thoughts as I know it can never work. It just whiles away time when I have nothing better to do rather than read newspapers or watch TV lol
Its called "put the cat among the pigeons" meow!
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I wish I had your faith in human nature minx.
If bank accounts can be 'hacked', surely the voting PIN could be too. Just look at what happened in the last General Election in Birmingham where the local sitting Labour MP was accused of 'personating' the voting intentions of pensioners by misdirecting their postal votes!

GNV I have edited my previous response to you, I should never write a forum post while rushing to go out as reading back it never made sense to me. lol
The system, as it stands at present is to put faith in a party. Most people I know don't have faith in any of the parties at present.
GNV your comment did make me laugh about my faith in humans. It is humans within the system we operate now, the difference is they can hide behind party name and cover each others back. It is typical group behaviour.
I am sorry but I have no faith in humans that have such power over masses that can do so under the label of a name.
My idea I believe is to make each one accountable for their own action.
You can still have the same MP in parliament for instance but instead of toeing the party line they have to toe the line of the people that elected and put them there. After all we as tax payers pay their wages.
They would be viewed and watched by those that elected them within their constituency and often can know their MP better publicly and the work they do within. Many are doing good work on behalf of us with the community that they serve even the children know them. Many go into politics because of their belief they can help make a difference.
Once in they parliament is when they see how it works. That is when they have to toe the party line. Like many group behaviour you have to toe the party line or your face doesn't fit. Often it is who you have to suck up to that counts. If you don't conform to the party way, you don't stand much chance within to be noticed. I don't believe many MP's go into politics for this reason I do believe many go in with good intentions.
By voting and putting faith in our local MP. The system could still be the same to a degree just not assigned parties and the duty of the MP is to represent its people. Which I thought was what their duty is and are paid to do, not to work within the confines of the party. It causes a divide and rule principal (divide us the electorate and rule by the party).
I simply believe together they should all rule for many reasons. It would stop in house party squabbles, it would eradicate the point and blame culture, it would make them have to focus together for the greater good of everyone and look forward. The reasons they all look back is to remind each others parties who was to blame for what in the past.
It would eradicate hung parliament, coalition Governments. As collectively they are all the government elected by all the people in the country and everyone would feel they have a voice in government. I believe many more people including young people would take notice as often they have met the local MP in schools, youth groups, opening of local events etc etc and can relate themselves to them.
The system I was saying about chip and pin, it has been proven that those frauds against peoples bank accounts have happened when they have used their cards in dodgy places and their cards have been copied by fraudsters. Many people bank online and have user names and passwords I believe this type system could be used to vote for your local MP.
It wouldn't be a national vote for a party.
You could apply the same voting system to every one on key issues. Fox hunting, ban smoking, gay marriage etc etc. We would be able to see votes change as they happen.
You would need for example many people sitting counting our votes, a system you support yet you say I have faith in humans. I believe the system wouldn't cost anywhere near what it does with the present system. Thus huge savings for everyone. Everyone has mobile phones even old people I am sure a system to vote could be used via them.
We need to be moving forward with the times and think collectively to make a difference.
The best ideas I believe are the simple ones thinking outside the box in what we are told is how it is so have to stick with it.
Have you heard the name Dave Fishwick he thought outside the box read his story here

It is funny as you said you wished you had my faith in humans.
Yet I believe the system you would support at present is run by humans just within parties. Humans that can hide behind party names either doing good or bad.
I do believe in humans within a community that elect a MP would have a fair and greater judgement of who they would be electing than who they vote for within the present system. So yes collectively I do put my faith in humans.
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I wish I had your faith in human nature minx.
If bank accounts can be 'hacked', surely the voting PIN could be too. Just look at what happened in the last General Election in Birmingham where the local sitting Labour MP was accused of 'personating' the voting intentions of pensioners by misdirecting their postal votes!

GNV I have edited my previous response to you, I should never write a forum post while rushing to go out as reading back it never made sense to me. lol
The system, as it stands at present is to put faith in a party. Most people I know don't have faith in any of the parties at present.
GNV your comment did make me laugh about my faith in humans. It is humans within the system we operate now, the difference is they can hide behind party name and cover each others back. It is typical group behaviour.
I am sorry but I have no faith in humans that have such power over masses that can do so under the label of a name.
My idea I believe is to make each one accountable for their own action.
You can still have the same MP in parliament for instance but instead of toeing the party line they have to toe the line of the people that elected and put them there. After all we as tax payers pay their wages.
They would be viewed and watched by those that elected them within their constituency and often can know their MP better publicly and the work they do within. Many are doing good work on behalf of us with the community that they serve even the children know them. Many go into politics because of their belief they can help make a difference.
Once in they parliament is when they see how it works. That is when they have to toe the party line. Like many group behaviour you have to toe the party line or your face doesn't fit. Often it is who you have to suck up to that counts. If you don't conform to the party way, you don't stand much chance within to be noticed. I don't believe many MP's go into politics for this reason I do believe many go in with good intentions.
By voting and putting faith in our local MP. The system could still be the same to a degree just not assigned parties and the duty of the MP is to represent its people. Which I thought was what their duty is and are paid to do, not to work within the confines of the party. It causes a divide and rule principal (divide us the electorate and rule by the party).
I simply believe together they should all rule for many reasons. It would stop in house party squabbles, it would eradicate the point and blame culture, it would make them have to focus together for the greater good of everyone and look forward. The reasons they all look back is to remind each others parties who was to blame for what in the past.
It would eradicate hung parliament, coalition Governments. As collectively they are all the government elected by all the people in the country and everyone would feel they have a voice in government. I believe many more people including young people would take notice as often they have met the local MP in schools, youth groups, opening of local events etc etc and can relate themselves to them.
The system I was saying about chip and pin, it has been proven that those frauds against peoples bank accounts have happened when they have used their cards in dodgy places and their cards have been copied by fraudsters. Many people bank online and have user names and passwords I believe this type system could be used to vote for your local MP.
It wouldn't be a national vote for a party.
You could apply the same voting system to every one on key issues. Fox hunting, ban smoking, gay marriage etc etc. We would be able to see votes change as they happen.
You would need for example many people sitting counting our votes, a system you support yet you say I have faith in humans. I believe the system wouldn't cost anywhere near what it does with the present system. Thus huge savings for everyone. Everyone has mobile phones even old people I am sure a system to vote could be used via them.
We need to be moving forward with the times and think collectively to make a difference.
The best ideas I believe are the simple ones thinking outside the box in what we are told is how it is so have to stick with it.
Have you heard the name Dave Fishwick he thought outside the box read his story here

It is funny as you said you wished you had my faith in humans.
Yet I believe the system you would support at present is run by humans just within parties. Humans that can hide behind party names either doing good or bad.
I do believe in humans within a community that elect a MP would have a fair and greater judgement of who they would be electing than who they vote for within the present system. So yes collectively I do put my faith in humans.
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Quote by Theladyisaminx
I wish I had your faith in human nature minx.
If bank accounts can be 'hacked', surely the voting PIN could be too. Just look at what happened in the last General Election in Birmingham where the local sitting Labour MP was accused of 'personating' the voting intentions of pensioners by misdirecting their postal votes!

GNV I have edited my previous response to you, I should never write a forum post while rushing to go out as reading back it never made sense to me. lol
The system, as it stands at present is to put faith in a party. Most people I know don't have faith in any of the parties at present.
GNV your comment did make me laugh about my faith in humans. It is humans within the system we operate now, the difference is they can hide behind party name and cover each others back. It is typical group behaviour.
I am sorry but I have no faith in humans that have such power over masses that can do so under the label of a name.
My idea I believe is to make each one accountable for their own action.
You can still have the same MP in parliament for instance but instead of toeing the party line they have to toe the line of the people that elected and put them there. After all we as tax payers pay their wages.
They would be viewed and watched by those that elected them within their constituency and often can know their MP better publicly and the work they do within. Many are doing good work on behalf of us with the community that they serve even the children know them. Many go into politics because of their belief they can help make a difference.
Once in they parliament is when they see how it works. That is when they have to toe the party line. Like many group behaviour you have to toe the party line or your face doesn't fit. Often it is who you have to suck up to that counts. If you don't conform to the party way, you don't stand much chance within to be noticed. I don't believe many MP's go into politics for this reason I do believe many go in with good intentions.
By voting and putting faith in our local MP. The system could still be the same to a degree just not assigned parties and the duty of the MP is to represent its people. Which I thought was what their duty is and are paid to do, not to work within the confines of the party. It causes a divide and rule principal (divide us the electorate and rule by the party).
I simply believe together they should all rule for many reasons. It would stop in house party squabbles, it would eradicate the point and blame culture, it would make them have to focus together for the greater good of everyone and look forward. The reasons they all look back is to remind each others parties who was to blame for what in the past.
It would eradicate hung parliament, coalition Governments. As collectively they are all the government elected by all the people in the country and everyone would feel they have a voice in government. I believe many more people including young people would take notice as often they have met the local MP in schools, youth groups, opening of local events etc etc and can relate themselves to them.
The system I was saying about chip and pin, it has been proven that those frauds against peoples bank accounts have happened when they have used their cards in dodgy places and their cards have been copied by fraudsters. Many people bank online and have user names and passwords I believe this type system could be used to vote for your local MP.
It wouldn't be a national vote for a party.
It is funny as you said you wished you had my faith in humans.
Yet I believe the system you would support at present is run by humans just within parties. Humans that can hide behind party names either doing good or bad.
I do believe in humans within a community that elect a MP would have a fair and greater judgement of who they would be electing than who they vote for within the present system. So yes collectively I do put my faith in humans.
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I wish I had your faith in human nature minx.
If bank accounts can be 'hacked', surely the voting PIN could be too. Just look at what happened in the last General Election in Birmingham where the local sitting Labour MP was accused of 'personating' the voting intentions of pensioners by misdirecting their postal votes!

GNV I have edited my response to you, I should never write a forum post while rushing to go out as reading back it never made sense to me. lol
The system, as it stands at present is to put faith in a party. Most people I know don't have faith in any of the parties at present.
GNV your comment did make me laugh about my faith in humans. It is humans within the system we operate now, the difference is they can hide behind party name and cover each others back. It is typical group behaviour.
I am sorry but I have no faith in humans that have such power over masses that can do so under the label of a name.
My idea I believe is to make each one accountable for their own action.
You can still have the same MP in parliament for instance but instead of toeing the party line they have to toe the line of the people that elected and put them there. After all we as tax payers pay their wages.
They would be viewed and watched by those that elected them within their constituency and often can know their MP better publicly and the work they do within. Many are doing good work on behalf of us with the community that they serve even the children know them. Many go into politics because of their belief they can help make a difference.
Once in they parliament is when they see how it works. That is when they have to toe the party line. Like many group behaviour you have to toe the party line or your face doesn't fit. Often it is who you have to suck up to that counts. If you don't conform to the party way, you don't stand much chance within to be noticed. I don't believe many MP's go into politics for this reason I do believe many go in with good intentions.
By voting and putting faith in our local MP. The system could still be the same to a degree just not assigned parties and the duty of the MP is to represent its people. Which I thought was what their duty is and are paid to do, not to work within the confines of the party. It causes a divide and rule principal (divide us the electorate and rule by the party).
I simply believe together they should rule for many reasons. It would stop in house party squabbles, it would eradicate the point and blame culture, it would make them have to focus together for the greater good of everyone and look forward. The reasons they all look back is to remind each others parties who was to blame for what in the past.
It would eradicate hung parliament, coalition Governments. As collectively they are all the government elected by all the people in the country and everyone would feel they have a voice in government. I believe many more people including young people would take notice as often they have met the local MP in schools, youth groups, opening of local events etc etc and can relate themselves to them.
The system I was saying about chip and pin, it has been proven that those frauds against peoples bank accounts have happened when they have used their cards in dodgy places and their cards have been copied by fraudsters. Many people bank online and have user names and passwords I believe this type system could be used to vote for your local MP.
It wouldn't be a national vote for a party.
It is funny as you said you wished you had my faith in humans.
Yet I believe the system you would support at present is run by humans just within parties. Humans that can hide behind party names either doing good or bad.
I do believe in humans within a community that elect a MP within it would have a fair and greater judgement of who they would be electing than who they vote for in with the present system. So yes collectively I do put my faith in humans.
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Theladyisaminx
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I have always found a strange irony in the fact that with our electoral system the person voted in generally has more people that have voted against him/her than for them!
It has been said that we live in an elected Dictatorship anyway. That said, we either vote people in and hope/expect them to get on with it or we have referendums for every decision made by parliament.

I think we have been forced into an elected dictatorship by the system in itself it has created. I have listened to people that have gone into politics and I see people from all parties that impress me. The problem comes from the line in politics in order to get there you have to take. It sub divides everyone and sticks a label on their heads. As we often hear they have to toe the party line, I have been inside the houses of parliament and into the room the politicians cast votes and their vote gets logged into large ledgers you and I can read. The way the system is now you can't hide from other party members what line you stand in. If you never had to worry about party politics then you wouldn't have to worry about what line you stood in.
Hot you wouldn't have to have a referendum how it is done now for everything you could use the medium we have in place now to cast votes direct to your local MP on issues arising. We could have stations on tv like the parliament channel or channels on TV, Internet showing an agenda on issues that would affect all people that we can vote on via our local MP who would vote on by the outcome of the majority vote via means. People say this could be fixed but we all have a pin number for instance and password to our bank account we have to secure and look after.
Media can be used differently to better inform people so we all have an understand of what is happening. After all we pay their wages to represent us I don't like paying them to join a party that causes sub division and stops the job getting done.
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Theladyisaminx
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Quote by MidsCouple24
Sadly running for election is expensive and out of reach of the average individual, they need the party to finance their election campaign. a shame because the best Government would have a lot of Independant MP's in it. MP's who could vote for what they believe in and not just to conform with party politics, MP's who could put forward debates in Parliament that they believe would be a benefit to the Country not necessarily their particular party.
Even with a main party in power an Independant can have a loud voice, there are times when the big parties need their support to get a bill past and to do that they have to "trade" with the Independents "we like your idea on that so support us on this and we will back you" providing the Independant only sides with the big parties policies here or she agrees with it's not a bad thing, and most of the time they can side with the party they agree with because the opposition is just as keen to trade with them not to support something.
Independants can have a lot of power especially when majorities are low.
One of the worst things I have seen in current politics is the time when (for example) a Labour MP moves to the Liberal Democrats, people probably put him in the Commons becaue they wanted a Labour MP and suddenly they find they have a Liberal Democrat, surely that makes a mockery of the voting system, I believe that when an MP changes his allegience there should be a bi-election in his/her constituency as there is when he/she resigns or is sacked.

Actually it doesn't cost much to have a passion to do the best by people, as if they believe in you they to would back and offer to help you. You can sell passion better than you can sell a party believe me it is amazing how many people come forward to help if they believe your focus is them.
I watched a very frank interview recently with president carter as he said politics today has lost its way as it is driven by money. He said in his day he won with 2 dollars. He still believes in his passion that being in politics is about trying to make the best decisions based on people he said he made some mistakes he is after all human and it cost him his leadership but the focus always have to be the people, not power or money.
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Theladyisaminx
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Quote by MidsCouple24
Which means she was voted by the people because each party has a leader and many votes cast are based on who leads the party as to wether or not you vote for the party, many people dont even know the name of the local candidate till election time, most have never met them but most do know the party leader, a vote for a party is more a vote for the leader that you hope will the become Prime Minister so technically I agree but still say Thatcher was voted in by the people, certainly the Tory term after the Falklands War was always put down to the popularity of the Leader and a landslide vote because of Margaret Thatchers stance on the matter.

Then leaders can put themselves forward from the people we have elected in mass and it would sell themselves to the people and we could vote for them individually, I think there is a total cross section of society that would make a far and balanced judgement whom they would like to lead their government.
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Theladyisaminx
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I believe democracy could be far better served when who we elect are not attached to 3 main groups called parties. It is like belonging to any set beliefs. You can pick out the bits you can agree upon and there are other elements that you can have your own individual opinion off, even within party members.
I would like to see everyone in politics as independent people that carry their own voice and be accountable for their own actions judged by the people that elected them to be there.
How this would work completely I haven't come up with the answers for yet.
But in practice I have been part of moving things forward when you collectively make who you are doing it all for clear and consistent and never losing sight of that.
Maybe it is about time we came up with a new system all together. where what party side, religion, educational background, sex has no baring and it is driven on a passion that you want to do right for the people you serve and have to sell your own self to those people to believe you are the right one to send up to work on their behalf.
Only then I believe you would stop in house fighting, frustrations within and out and keep your focus and your purpose for being there.
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Theladyisaminx
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Star I work in an all male environment

Sorry Minx I was under the distinct impression that you worked from home? I am sure I read somewhere you stated that. dunno
Star please keep up. I really find myself having to keep repeating myself to you.
I am both self employed and do bookkeeping/ accounts for private clients and am based at home. On top of that for the past 21 years have and still working in voluntary roles within the community.
The past 5 years doing this has been in a very male environment of all ages.
Star I suggest you should do voluntary work it has taught me a lot of skills meeting loads of different people of all ages. It might give you a sense of purpose in life.
I do accounts to pay bills but my heart and passion is in the time I give to others. You should try it with all the spare time you must have now. It might open your eyes up, to see things in a whole different way in life. It might also stop you trying to point score against people you believe you can tie up and prove they could be lying when in fact I don't need to lie or be vindictive towards people. I think I have been your target on many occasions for just being honest about how I see things based on what I do and from my own eyes. Not through the eyes of politians, parties, reporters.
So once again I find you trying to call me a liar.
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Theladyisaminx
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You were applauding Neil Hamilton

'Twas only cupboard love minxy. He didn't really mean it in that thread....
Or was it this one dunno
Or possibly this one worship
:therethere: Star
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Theladyisaminx
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Quote by starlightcouple
through what a bunch of xenophobic idiots they really are. More than anything I question the intelligence of anyone in Eastleigh who would put up with the nasty 95% of their manifesto just to see them "deal with immigration." - As if somehow that is going to magic away the problems of the feckless, idle nation that we have become.

Oh dear........:sleeping:
Same old story of anyone who dares to talk about immigrants..........:sleeping:
Predictable..........:sleeping:
You see TH if you had bothered to look at people's worries not just in Eastleigh but all over the country, you would see that immigration is a worry to a heck of a lot of people. Still shut em all up and label them with the same old boring rubbish. We can see through that one now, better late than never though eh?
When people have money and can look at living outside of cities and away from the real problems of immigration, they always see what they want to see.
With UKIP getting 28% of the vote, in my calculations there are another 72% that might not have your views and make immigration the top of their worries.
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Theladyisaminx
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Quote by starlightcouple
They want even deeper and more savage cuts.

Can you show me where they say that in their manifesto, as I have looked and cannot see anything. Also can you point me in the direction of where UKIP say this.
You were applauding Neil Hamilton but you never heard him say then "The Tories will make you believe they have made massive cuts by the way they are decisions have to be made?" These words came out of Neil Hamiltons mouth.
Star you know UKIP's policy and manifesto so well maybe you could educate me and tell me where they are making these harder decisions from, to cut back on the countries debts?
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Theladyisaminx
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Quote by GnV
They want even deeper and more savage cuts.

Can you show me where they say that in their manifesto, as I have looked and cannot see anything. Also can you point me in the direction of where UKIP say this.
Quote by TH in a different thread
Then I watched Question Time last night and Neil (ex toff) Hamilton now UKIP glamour boy told us how it would happen - more savage and quicker cuts were needed from the welfare budget.....

Quote by star in another thread last night
Sorry I did not see passion in Claire Perry last night, but what I did see is a loud mouthed rude and over bearing MP.

So it seems star watched the same program TH and when he asks "Also can you point me in the direction of where UKIP say this." he already has the answer rolleyes
Some people have such short memories :lol2:
He might have been to busy ogling her boobies. In an inappropriate manner wink rotflmao
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