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Theladyisaminx
Over 90 days ago
Straight Female, 61
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Quote by Theladyisaminx

What is the matter Star you never answered the question?
Did you squirm a little in your seat and start looking shifty? rotflmao
You saw not purpose to the questions?
Sorry I don't believe you are being honest. I can not believe you have never seen the interaction between men making advances towards women inappropriately?
I just asked when you have what did you do about it?

Minx you should be in politics because you seem to know everybody who has done everything.
I wondered where the relevance of your question was at the time. I can say with all honesty that I have never myself witnessed a male worker grab a woman's breasts or her arse. I have seen women on many occasions make lewd comments against a young lad that used to work at one of my old firms, but that probably does not count eh Minx?
Banter we used to call it, but now it seems it is offensive and must be dealt with by the law. Women I am sure can give as good as they get. Now your going to say that I am lying, or what now Minx? I suppose that you have seen men grabbing women?
I believe for the record that if a male made inappropriate advances towards a woman, then he should be reported. Now there's honesty for ya.
Actually Star in my first post about the incident I at no time blamed anyone. I find your response is blame the woman. You have done what most people do defend and attack. As I never attacked anyone and was simply stating you were blaming the party.
I tried a responsible way to highlight this fact you made. Now you are attacking woman bring it on.
Star I work in an all male environment I am respected by the men and only one man in around 100 that I have dealings with has ever made an advance towards me inappropriate way. Men that do this don't do it openly for others to always see, he followed me into the kitchen when I went to get drinks for the children there. I think he could see by my face he better back off and never talk to me again. This is different from general banter.
What I was saying about Clegg and others that there is a high possibility that he would not have witnessed anything that would have caused him concern. as you have shown in your response you have never seen it happen either. That is the point I was making about you keeping on about Clegg what he saw or didn't see.
Quote by starlightcouple

What is the matter Star you never answered the question?
Did you squirm a little in your seat and start looking shifty? rotflmao
You saw not purpose to the questions?
Sorry I don't believe you are being honest. I can not believe you have never seen the interaction between men making advances towards women inappropriately?
I just asked when you have what did you do about it?

Minx you should be in politics because you seem to know everybody who has done everything.
I wondered where the relevance of your question was at the time. I can say with all honesty that I have never myself witnessed a male worker grab a woman's breasts or her arse. I have seen women on many occasions make lewd comments against a young lad that used to work at one of my old firms, but that probably does not count eh Minx?
Banter we used to call it, but now it seems it is offensive and must be dealt with by the law. Women I am sure can give as good as they get. Now your going to say that I am lying, or what now Minx? I suppose that you have seen men grabbing women?
I believe for the record that if a male made inappropriate advances towards a woman, then he should be reported. Now there's honesty for ya.
Actually Star in my first post about the incident I at no time blamed anyone. I find your response as an attack on as the problem. You have done what most people do defend and attack. As I never attacked anyone and was simply stating you were blaming the party.
I tried a responsible way to highlight this fact you made. Now you are attacking woman.
Star I work in an all male environment I am respected by the men and only one man in around 100 that I have dealings with has ever made an advance towards me inappropriate way. Men that do this don't do it openly for others to always see, he followed me into the kitchen when I went to get drinks for the children there. I think he could see by my face he better back off and never talk to me again. This is different from general banter.
What I was saying about Clegg and others that there is a high possibility that he would not have witnessed anything that would have caused him concern. as you have shown in your response you have never seen it happen either. That is the point I was making about you keeping on about Clegg what he saw or didn't see.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
If we take this stance then I would ask.
Have you ever been in an environment where you have seen men make sexually advances towards a woman?
If so what have you done about it?
If nothing, does this not make you as bad as Clegg?

Quote by starlightcouple
What a silly reply and one which I am not going to answer as it is without any foundation at all. I se no purpose at all in that question.

What is the matter Star you never answered the question?
Did you squirm a little in your seat and start looking shifty? rotflmao
You saw not purpose to the questions?
Sorry I don't believe you are being honest. I can not believe you have never seen the interaction between men making advances towards women inappropriately?
I just asked when you have what did you do about it?
I liked the story I heard recently from a woman where a man acted inappropriately towards her and leaned through her car window, she did the window up and trapped his head. lol
Quote by starlightcouple
I watched Question Time last night as I like to see MP's put on the spot.
What I saw was Neil Hamilton taking the micky out of himself which is a quality I like to see within people but not within politics, as politics is what they would do for us and not making a joke out of themselves.
Claire Perry's passion but you have to know when to curb passion and let others talk, as when you do, you can see their flaws in their inability to answer a direct question truthfully and honesty and show themselves up rather than yourself.
Angela Eagle left me wanting to kill myself, she looked sad and miserable being on the program.
So the two that stood out for me and showed total conviction in what they said were Jeremy Browne and David Dimbleby.

Dimbleby always stands out on QT. He is a master at getting his guests to do as they are told, when told too.
Sorry I did not see passion in Claire Perry last night, but what I did see is a loud mouthed rude and over bearing MP. If I was in that audience I would have loved to have stood up and told her to just shut the fuck up. That would have ruffled a few feathers.
Agree that Angela Eagle did look like she was sitting on a rose thorn. She just left me wanting to hit myself.
Jeremy Browne looked shifty on many occasions and a bit squirmy on his seat, and more than once out of his depth. I would have loved to see him on a panel with George Galloway. When the question came up about the Lib Dems stance on inappropriate behaviour towards women, and his leaders inability to know something or should that be he did not know, was funny. We all know that the Lib Dems preach one thing to their voters, but do something completely different to be able to have a little tad of power within British politics. They have thrown out their very fundamental policies to be able to jump into bed with Cameron, but the Lib Dems would have jumped into bed with Humpty Dumpty if it meant power sharing of sorts.
Clegg firstly said he knew nothing, and then something. It is obvious that he was lying to start with and I always thought the Liberals stood for a fair and just system for all?
Star, so you would take the same stance if you run a business or in a management position that you would sack someone and be held accountable for all those around you based on the probability at the time of hearsay ?
As yet we don't know what Clegg may of or not known. We don't know if it was hearsay or the complaint of the victim.
I don't believe Jeremy Browne should feel responsible for others actions either and be bought to question over others actions.
If we go down the line of blame everyone within an organisation for others actions that would be foolish.
Clegg isn't responsible for all the peoples own actions within the party.
I do however believe Nick Clegg should not have lied and said he knew nothing, he should have said he had heard something if that is what had happened. I also believe in lying in the beginning was stupid.
If we take this stance then I would ask.
Have you ever been in an environment where you have seen men make sexually advances towards a woman?
If so what have you done about it?
If nothing, does this not make you as bad as Clegg?
We have to watch who we blame here and for what.
This case I believe needs to be decided upon the evidence of the victim/s and the perpetrator.
Clegg needs to be honest with what he was told or knew.
I watched Question Time last night as I like to see MP's put on the spot.
What I saw was Neil Hamilton taking the micky out of himself which is a quality I like to see within people but not within politics, as politics is what they would do for us and not making a joke out of themselves.
Claire Perry's passion but you have to know when to curb passion and let others talk, as when you do, you can see their flaws in their inability to answer a direct question truthfully and honesty and show themselves up rather than yourself.
Angela Eagle left me wanting to kill myself, she looked sad and miserable being on the program.
So the two that stood out for me and showed total conviction in what they said were Jeremy Browne and David Dimbleby.
Quote by starlightcouple
Most young people that I know through my own kids don't bother to vote.

Most young people I know these days are interesting in their future and would be willing to vote, they just think the way politicians portray themselves with their in house squabbles is laughable and worse than what they see at school.
I have to say, I agree with the young I speak to on a daily basis.
They don't want to see this type of behaviour they have had enough with dealing with it at school.
Quote by starlightcouple
Blimey thanks for that Minxy...........I was not looking for that response but hey I enjoyed reading it. To be honest if what you have written you genuinely believe, I take my hat off to you.
It is also true that you don't need a fab education to learn about life skills. We are on many levels a million miles apart but you do seem to have found an inner whatever they call it, and that has obviously made you a richer person. Not by money but by the things that money cannot buy.
I have different visions and differing opinions. That does not make me or people who have my views any better or any worse, it takes all sorts.
You see Minxy.........Souff London takes many forms and your form is SE London, where as I come from the rather posher side of town in SW London. flipa:therethere:

Star, I have belief in my theories which relate to formal education, and how that can impact on our own psychology.
I am in no way against education I do however see major flaws in the way it is constructed. I believe education in one of the fundamental places in life where we look at ourselves in relation to those around us.
I have studied this for 36 years from the age of 12.
Then having twins helped me gain more knowledge by them teaching me in understanding nuture v nature they are now 16.
I am about to under take the writing of a dissertation about my studies and what many others have taught me by talking to hundreds of adults and children over the years and listening.
I believe babies are born with elements of wisdom about how to survive without the emotional maturity to understand it and use it. I believe we try and show them how to continue but I believe not in the most constructive way.
I believe it could have an impact in many aspects of society that many complain about. Crime, work ethic, etc etc.
I have spent 36 years trying to dispel my theory as I had this theory at 12.
I am pretty much expecting the doctors in white jackets coming to lock me away after. lol
Quote by MidsCouple24
You have to remember that only men post in the forums, women are unable to do so as they don't have any brains.
And for those sceptics who do not believe me, tell me this, if women have brains where do they put them eh! after all they don't have a penis to keep them in do they 69position

Mids I agree woman don't have brains. Brains only stores information.
Woman have something very different we have thought. wink
I love listening to music of all different genres for different reasons.
I often find myself listening to music that hits something within me either a musician within the music or the singers voice. Then I find myself really appreciating the song for what bit it gives me.
I believe we all get something out of some songs.
Other songs we just like as a reminder of a time past or present.
I am asking about those ones you always find yourself enjoying for no other reason just purely for the talent in the artist within the music.
So would like to ask what artist and what bit of that performance gives you those thoughts of appreciation?
Which bit do you like?
I have many but will start with.
Samba Pa Ti - Carlos Santana - just listening to the way the guitar sings within it.
The new current affairs forum and topical debate.
I was looking down the list of threads and it seem they all err towards current affairs mostly.
Often I have thought about staring just a fun thread but I wouldn't know where to put it.
Does this mean in general people here are more serious and want to talk about real issues about life and a bit of a laugh and the fun is left to the chat rooms now days?
Quote by flower411
But when I think of the gay christians on the bbc I think that 95% of the people in that Church would rather a gay was a christian than straight but athiest.

Sorry to pick up on something you just said here, but that comment upset me somewhat. As someone that would admit to anyone that I am a straight female non believer. That 95% of Christians would dismiss me for remaining neutral within my beliefs?
That makes me question myself in why I give up so much time voluntary and effort I put in, in serving my community in my spare time both children and adults alike of many faiths if the ones with faith would judge me in such a simple way.
But lucky my soul tells me never to give up somehow in helping others no matter what background, faith, culture, sex, age they come from.
So I shall ignore such a comment but I believe you are right.
I`m afraid the comment is very probably correct minx at least in the religious heirarchy.
If you are not their friend then you are their enemy.
Most religions condone killing people that don`t agree with them.
I agreed that mixedbicouple's comment was what I believed to be right too.
Have you just got out of bed and forgot your reading glasses so didn't see my closing comment? lol
I meant I shall ignore the judgement of how they would see me and continue on with what I do.
Quote by mixedbicouple
But when I think of the gay christians on the bbc I think that 95% of the people in that Church would rather a gay was a christian than straight but athiest.

Sorry to pick up on something you just said here, but that comment upset me somewhat. As someone that would admit to anyone that I am a straight female non believer. That 95% of Christians would dismiss me for remaining neutral within my beliefs?
That makes me question myself in why I give up so much time voluntary and effort I put in, in serving my community in my spare time both children and adults alike of many faiths if the ones with faith would judge me in such a simple way.
But lucky my soul tells me never to give up somehow in helping others no matter what background, faith, culture, sex, age they come from.
So I shall ignore such a comment but I believe you are right.
I have faith but isn't attached to any god. I have faith people knowing and believing what is right for them that is within the law. I don't believe the law is perfect but together that can be changed. You can not change the writing of the religious text as I believe has been proven before without admitting it is written by man. Law we all know is written by man so can be changed by man.
Religion I believe only causes the division of humanity and the questioning and guilt by its own followers of how they should behave or something to hid behind the name of, for acts against humanity.
I do however know many like a place within a community whereby people can go and feel safe, supported, accepted and make friends. I think they should be more along the lines of humanity meeting places than a place to worship a god. We should worship humanity and all the diversity within that it can teach us all.
So in answer to your question I don't see how any religious beliefs can ever really be justified with being here while married, being gay, and many other things. That is why we make a choice in following the teachings or not I would have thought. We go by them or our own gut morality and belief in knowing what is right for us and withn the law surely.
Hi All,
I was online earlier and my connection was fine until going into the chatrooms. My pc started to go into overdrive which often happens on here when going into the rooms and everything can lock up for a while which results in me getting a disconnection and reconnection message appear here. But tonight it completely shut down my pc into a crash dump. This also happened on here to a friend yesterday.
Has anyone else had this problem my friend thought it could be his pc but after it happened to me I find it a bit concerning. I never have problem on other websites although this is the only I chat in chat rooms on. and msn have been fine and stable.
Would anyone know what can cause this and why it seems it might only happen here in the chatrooms?
When I am here online and not in chat everything is fine.
Thanks
Minx
Quote by starlightcouple
I have no formal knowledge about anything. I let life and my personal experiences give me the knowledge I require. When I want to know something I ask and when I need to know how to do something I find out how to do it.
I have passions about a lot of things in life which drives me to find out more.
But I wouldn't confess to having expert knowledge about anything and I always believe there is something about it you might never know, that you don't know yet that you don't know as you just haven't discovered it yet. If that makes sense.
So always happy to learn and discover more and keep my mind open to gain knowledge in many areas.

In souff London ? passionkiss
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Actually you picked up on a good point there, as living, going to school, working in south east London and for the past 21 years working outside my normal work in a voluntary capacity around youth and adults has greatly helped in my gaining knowledge and understanding of people and cultures and South East London.
I find living here so enlightening and interesting in my life and why I would never wanted to move away and wanted my children to gain the knowledge here for themselves. I have been here 48 years and still learn something new everyday here by someone I meet. It has taught me a lot about the psychology of people of many cultures through its diversity. That I believe you can never learn from formal education or reading newspapers. As the best way to learn is from people themselves.
Once you understand the psychology collectively you can start to know what and why systems in this country are failing people and makes you think about ideas in how to put them right and start coming up with new solutions and ideas and start to put them into practice and see if they fail.
So instead of moaning I have spent many hours and time helping to create a system which has helped me test out my theories and watching it blossom by observing the changes. Showing brilliant results from adults and young alike across many cultures, classes, educational back ground, working together to better and enlightening each other driving the respect they have for each other when working as a team together listening and learning from each other and finding out we all have things to offer and teach each other. Giving 14 year old responsibility and work along side adults to help educate what they have been taught to children as young as 5-6 in helping them to improve in what we offer. We have build a thriving community that has seen a 50% increase in the last three years from old and young alike and a 75% increase in people asking to help and give time too. I have seen it and everyone blossom including ex gang members nobody gets excluded if they want to be part of it and involved. We have never had trouble from anyone and no financial help from government. So no payment from tax payers money.
For that reason I have a pretty good understanding of south east London and the people within it. I just failed all formal education but believe I have had one of the best educations for me as it drove me to learn and teach myself in many areas. Including IT, networking, marketing, funding, organising, communication the list goes on so I can keep giving all the people above what they need to flourish and keep growing and learning together.
Society is amazing really as I tried to get a job but nobody would employ me as I have no qualifications. Although their lose is others gain which drives me on to prove my theory in what does eduction really give us when it failed me or I failed its test. So that society would see me as a failer.
I believe I know why and how it has happened. It is a fundamentally flawed system which then has a knock on affect all the way through life in the way we see ourselves and others view us. I have a theory in the way we teach which I see as fundamentally flawed in its approach to the way we are taught. I have told many people my theory and they believe I have hit on the core of the problem.
But how does a person change anything as the first question asked is, what formal education in these areas have you had?
So once again I have to say none and why I say on this thread I have no specialist knowledge in any area.
For the teacher at school that told me at 16 that I was stupid and would only be able to get a job sweeping roads I would like to say flipa loon if you read this but thank you as you made me never want to go back to be taught in the institution that we call formal education and to gain the qualifications that I would be judged on.
I must stress that isn't to all teachers that do a good job out there.
Star I don't profess to know all about the past and history wars etc or who to blame for everything. I find my mind is very much better fulfilled on the future and how to improve but some knowledge about the past helps. So I enjoy learning about history. I don't categorise people into groups of age, culture, class, educational back ground, religious belief or political views. Many do but I believe it causes diversion and division. So I would always debate when you do, when I can be bothered and have the time to do so based on my knowledge above. When people quote from newspapers and believe they know what they are talking about within an area I know about. Now read my quotes below and you might understand why I say them wink
I have no formal knowledge about anything. I let life and my personal experiences give me the knowledge I require. When I want to know something I ask and when I need to know how to do something I find out how to do it.
I have passions about a lot of things in life which drives me to find out more.
But I wouldn't confess to having expert knowledge about anything and I always believe there is something about it you might never know, that you don't know yet that you don't know as you just haven't discovered it yet. If that makes sense.
So always happy to learn and discover more and keep my mind open to gain knowledge in many areas.
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It is only 24 years ago that i left school at just under 16 and went to work at the Co Op on a YTS scheme, i worked 39 hours a week for , i got valuable work experience and the only promise i had was that the scheme was for 2 years, if after 2 years there was a permanent position then it would be mine.
I worked hard,listened and learned and after 18 months was offered the job on a full time basis, i had been trained to do a job and do it well and it sure as hell did me no harm.
Why should people be allowed to sit on their arses all day and be paid to do so, far too many people these days think that they are owed a living and far too many benefits are paid to people who have been brought up to think this way.
Maybe big companies are getting employees on the cheap but in the main those companies are willing to give these youngsters a chance to have some work experience, give them some training, and maybe get some work ethics into them..........

I agree the YTS Scheme was a good scheme my sister used the scheme years ago and learnt a trade she now has her own business in. The YTS actually taught you on the job.
What many are saying that are in this new scheme the placement are for a max 13 weeks and all they are asked to do is fill shelves everyday. That to me isn't teaching any real work shills for say someone that has been studying Film Production and isn't allowed to work to gain experience in the that field on the 30 hours a week scheme but can work in a shop filling shelves. What is the point of going to uni and getting in debt.
Don't get me wrong I worked in retail for 20 odd years I started at the bottom. So I have nothing against retail or filling shelves.
I was asking doesn't it makes more sense to support graduates in fields of work they have graduated for, as there are expenses only jobs about and not say no they have to work in retail for their JSA money.
An example is my son got a job expenses only working 50 one week which was a great learning curve and a great source of networking for contacts within his field of work. But the JSA was stopped as it wasn't unpaid work that the JSA had sent him for.
He isn't against a days work, and he is now working in a shop for his JSA I just believe if they can find jobs within the field they have studied for surely they have a better chance of learning on the job and better prospects of getting a real jobb withing that field.
After all he paid his own student fees and then for the government to say you can't put them to better use I think what is the point in getting in debt and a degree?
The government tell them to study get into debt, then to find out all employees them to have work experience. How are they suppose to gain that least the YTS gave you the right experience for the job you were doing.
With this scheme they are not told they would get a job at the end. They are told they would get work experience to put on their CV's
Is the government flouting it’s own rules and making people work 30 hours a week in a profitable organisation like Poundland for £50 job seekers allowance just the same as slave labour?
I supported the idea to get people that claim job seekers to work for their money, I was for the government placing them within charities or getting them to do community based jobs where by they help to look after their community in some way.
However I am dead against them being placed in profitable companies and the tax payer paying their wages. Which I believe is denying people a paid job within the company and helping the company save money and make larger profits.
My son has recently finished his degree and trying to get into the industry he has been trained to do. He has actively been seeking work and has even taken a few expenses only jobs in his specialist line of work to help put a portfolio together which he can present to any potential employer in the future.
He has been told he can’t do this by the benefits office even if he gets letters stating the job was an expenses only role. He has been told he can only work 30 hours a week unpaid with companies on their books only or they will stop his claim.
This seems madness to me. He is out of the house with traveling time 40 hours a week and has to prove he is actively seeking work which he is doing at night.
I am not being biased because of my son, the government is seems are encouraging students to stay on and get degrees and debt but are not supporting them by then placing them in places like poundland.
The government, have been saying we are supporting our 18-25 year olds.
Is encouraging our youngest to get a degree and debt then making them work 30 hours a week for £50 a week really helping our future generations really believe we are doing the best for them?
As a tax payer I am dead against the government using my money to support the work force of profit making organisations.
I Wonder if I am alone thinking this way?
Quote by Bluefish2009
Good article, this bit is the crux for me
“Vilifying foxes is not the answer,” says Bryant. “Educating people – to deter foxes humanely, and to stop feeding them – is

Rogue-trader, I can not see this helping the hunting bill in any way to be honest

I agree Bluefish I can not see it being repealed but;
"It has no place in 21st century Britain. The public needs to bear in mind that some press reporting is biased and aimed at overturning the fox-hunting ban, when really the UK needs to calmly consider a proper course of action.
Best wishes to the baby boy and his family.
Sources
Mirror
BBC"
Hence the cynic in me suggesting that there were dark forces at work manipulating the reporting to demonize Mr. Fox.
I cant see it helping there cause
I think hunting has a place in this century and the next, but that is for another thread
I agree with you Blue, this has nothing to do with fox hunting, I watched a fox walk though my garden on Sunday while my cat was in it. They looked at each other but took no noticed of each other and the fox went about his merrier way.
I love nature and I don't mind foxes they have never bothered me.
I would never feed a fox or any wild animal. I believe in leaving them in the wild to eat what is natural to them.
I don't like what star said about foxes being ripped apart by dogs although I would never interfere with country folk protecting live stock as I have seen what a fox did to a pet rabbit a few times.
For star to say about foxes being ripped apart by dogs and fox hunting on this thread I think is disrespectful to the parents of a baby that they feel could have been ripped apart by a fox lucky it is only a finger gone.
When the experts that are trying to protect the fox are calling all people that feed them at their back door to stop doing so.
It is laughable that the only comment Star keeps throwing in is isn't against the law.
I can't believe that adults always need to be told what to do by law. Then spend the rest of the time moaning about the new laws. Like we need a new law for everything, when does common sense prevail?
Star when has anyone said you are being bad for feeding the foxes?
I have not seen anyone say that either I myself haven't.
You should stop putting words in everyone mouths
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Mine are simply my opinion of how I see things. What I do know is that I do think man himself is mainly to blame, and I also think this whole biting a child thing has been taken so far out of context. Fox attacks are very rare indeed and yet a cull is now being called for. Why? According to research on the One Show tonight on BBC 1, 86% of foxes still live in rural areas.

Couldn't agree with you more. A cull would be an impossible, unwarranted and unnecessary exercise. A knee jerk reaction just like the dangerous dogs act, the post Dunblane fiasco and the anti badger cull. Urban foxes are now almost a different breed to rural and their proliferation and living habits are entirely man made - and man is now reaping the rewards. The fox attack was a rarity - at the moment - but with the evolving urban fox population it will become more common. And the only thing that can be done to stem it is for food to be less easily available. More evidence of urban decay (matey lol )?
You are right .... the problem of foxes unafraid of humans is increased by those that feed them which encourages them into peoples gardens and houses.
You only got one record Flower? As you keep playing the same one.
Doing nothing wrong in the eyes of the law matey. If a neighbour saw me doing this in my garden and telephoned the police or the local council, the reply would be? Speak up am having a bit of trouble hearing the answer.rolleyes
I have just read an article which is asking and stating the following...
"Foxes have lived in our towns and cities since the Thirties, when they started venturing into the suburbs, as planning encroached on their natural habitats.
But only in the past decade have such attacks on humans, particularly infants, taken place. Clearly, something has changed to aggravate this previously peaceful coexistence – but what?"
Specialists insist that a population increase is not the cause.
“If anything, the number of urban foxes has gone down,” says wildlife expert John Bryant, who has been studying foxes for 15 years.
“Almost all borough councils have wheelie bins, and that removes a huge food supply. There are also a lot of diseases and poisons around. Statistically, the chances of them attacking humans are basically zero. I’ve never come across an aggressive fox – it is just that they’re becoming bolder.
Last year’s Channel Four study, Foxes Live, in which 10,000 people observed the habits of urban foxes, came to a similar conclusion.
Terry Woods, co-founder of humane pest control company Fox-A-Gon, says "wildlife programmes are to blame for the “boldness” foxes now exhibit. Since shows like Springwatch, more people are interested in feeding foxes,” he explains. “Instinctively, they would pull away from humans.
But if Mrs Jones starts putting out a bowl of dog food in her garden, over a period of time that fox will become more human-friendly. Then if Mrs Jones goes away on holiday, that fox will not differentiate between her patio door and the door at a different house.”
During Foxes Live, 1.5 per cent of people said they’d had a fox inside their homes, either invited or uninvited, and 86 per cent perceived them positively. In a poll on the Telegraph?’s website yesterday, 44 per cent of readers described foxes as “handsome and largely harmless creatures.
Experts insist that it is not in foxes’ nature to prey on humans.
Prof Stephen Harris, a specialist in urban foxes from the University of Bristol, says "the creatures eat invertebrates, birds and food left out in gardens. “It’s not the foxes’ fault; it’s the humans’,” he said in an interview on Radio 4’s Today programme yesterday."
No fox attack has ever caused a fatality in this country, but some believe it may only be a matter of time. So is a cull the solution?
In Bromley this week, concerned friends and neighbours are scouring the streets for the fox that savaged Denny. The offending creature, a noticeably large fox, has reportedly been spotted skulking behind a car; and one neighbour claims to have seen 20 of the animals prowling nearby streets. Action will no doubt be taken. But will a witch-hunt help ease the family’s pain?
“Vilifying foxes is not the answer,” says Bryant. “Educating people – to deter foxes humanely, and to stop feeding them – is.”
I found the article a common sense approach to the reason behind what I feel is now the cause of possibly why these attacks might be happening.
Sadly however, some will still not see or at least listen to the experts. That feeding foxes is causing the fox to be witch hunted by neighbours and possibly killed and also a call to cull foxes who are being blamed for changing their eating habits.
I find it amazing that people detest fox hunting yet contribute to why people are starting to hate the fox. Who I believe is the innocent one.
Maybe we should call a cull on people that feed them to save the foxes.
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I don't know the area at all, in fact I doubt I've ever been there. However I am more than aware that fly tipping does happen, rubbish bags are left out to rip open, bins overflow and that our streets in general can be an untidy feeding and breeding ground for a whole host of creatures.
I don't live in utopia, but I do live in a nice part of the City. It is easy for me to produce many nice pictures of clean streets straight from the internet, but too find areas rife with litter and dumped paraphernalia wouldn't take me too long. It's a fact of life that it exists, and that the council do what they can to stay on top of things. Perhaps those of you living in London would like to use this site to report and monitor problems in your area.

The site you quoted love London was first set up and established in the borough I have been talking about. Lewisham won the New Statesman New Media Awards in 2006 and since have rolled it out across London then nationwide. It seems Ironic that Star choose to use the picture that was taken for the website that is stating and explaining about winning this award.


and you have now sent the link too. lol
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6, Adenmore Road, Catford under the railway arches by catford Bridge station by any chance?
There are no houses down there only unused railway arches a great place for fly tripping and that has been a problem in many areas.
This isn't even Downham and hardly outside people houses if others would like to look on google maps be my guest.
Again Star I have proved you are misguiding people. Anymore you would like me to prove where you are wrong?

Sorry Minx you are wrong. Why would I be showing a picture of a railway arch in Catford? Do keep up Minx.rolleyes Why would there be a shop in an area of no houses or other shops?
I shall leave it until Thursday I reckon and see what the rubbish situation is like there now, when I go past it, would not even drive through Catford now Minx without locking my doors.
Star just a tip from someone that lives near where you talk about and can prove you wrong when you google fly tipping in Downham and try to find the worse picture you can find to justify your claims about Downham residents isn't in fact a different place altogether which is in fact Catford to try and prove a point. It just confirms you don't know what you are talking about and can discourage any evidence you try and find to try and prove you know what you are talking about and makes you look rather foolish. rotflmao
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6, Adenmore Road, Catford under the railway arches by catford Bridge station by any chance?
There are no houses down there only unused railway arches a great place for fly tripping and that has been a problem in many areas.
This isn't even Downham and hardly outside people houses if others would like to look on google maps be my guest.
Again Star I have proved you are misguiding people. Anymore you would like me to prove where you are wrong?

Sorry Minx you are wrong. Why would I be showing a picture of a railway arch in Catford? Do keep up Minx.rolleyes Why would there be a shop in an area of no houses or other shops?
I shall leave it until Thursday I reckon and see what the rubbish situation is like there now, when I go past it, would not even drive through Catford now Minx without locking my doors.
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6, Adenmore Road, Catford under the railway arches by catford Bridge station by any chance?
There are no houses down there only unused railway arches a great place for fly tripping and that has been a problem in many areas.
This isn't even Downham and hardly outside people houses if others would like to look on google maps be my guest.
Again Star I have proved you are misguiding people. Anymore you would like me to prove where you are wrong?

Sorry Minx you are wrong. Why would I be showing a picture of a railway arch in Catford? Do keep up Minx.rolleyes Why would there be a shop in an area of no houses or other shops?
I shall leave it until Thursday I reckon and see what the rubbish situation is like there now, when I go past it, would not even drive through Catford now Minx without locking my doors.
For those that would like to look on google earth and type in 6 Adenmore Road Catford can walk down and decide for themselves. So I shall leave it to others to decide if it is or not. wink
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Foxes will be the least of your problems with that lot, now rats on the other hand...

Actually Rogue is has been cleaned up and there are plans to redevelop that area as star admitted it was taken in 2011 we are now in 2013. wink
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My comments challenged you on your blame of the local residents I quote your earlier words which were. "These people leave their rubbish bags outside their houses for days on end, so if you are looking for anyone to blame, blame the residents for not keeping their rubbish more secure." I have merely stated this was not a fact. As I have proven if you look as I said on google maps and wonder around the streets you will see wheelie bins everywhere outside houses not rubbish bags bumped for weeks as you said. I think it is disgusting of you to say blame local residents when this is not true in your statement.
I just don't think it is right to blame people that are not doing what you say they are, if I would choose to live in an area of not, I wouldn't blame people for doing something they are not. You can say an area is shit hole that is your choice but to put on a public forum comments that are not true and to blame them for a injured baby I think is disgraceful so if I know your comments are false I shall say so.
You really should stop reading newspaper you are clearly showing signs of the point and blame culture they breed.

Have you any idea Minx where this picture was taken and on what date? Go on.........have a little guess.

The shop kinda gives it away Minx. rotflmao
The year was 2011 Minx and the area? innocent
6, Adenmore Road, Catford under the railway arches by catford Bridge station by any chance?
There are no houses down there only unused railway arches a great place for fly tripping and that has been a problem in many areas.
This isn't even Downham and hardly outside people houses if others would like to look on google maps be my guest.
Again Star I have proved you are misguiding people. Anymore you would like me to prove where you are wrong?
Star read this does it sink in anywhere?

"Well-meaning residents who leave food out for urban foxes - attracting them to back gardens - have been urged to stop treating the animals as pets after a baby boy had his finger bitten off."
Although would you still wait for a law to be passed?
Or still blame all the neighbours for leaving bags of rubbish out for weeks on end?
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Sadly flower, bank robbers are an every day fact of life which the nation's kids will learn about soon enough.
It might even help them keep out of jail blink
I wonder if they will expand the set to include the real bank robbers... The bankers themselves :lol2:

rotflmao Do you mean dressed in suits and ties with briefcases with blocks of money inside? lol