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Theladyisaminx
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I have given monthly donations to Tommy's for the past 18 years since having a stillborn baby and previously two miscarriages. They do research into stillborn, premature birth and miscarriages. I just felt I wanted to do a bit to try and help others from suffering what I had suffered so was the charity was close to my heart.
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So what makes you the expect on SE London then?
Minx certainly not an expert, but am not blinkered either. Yes we have done this conversation before, but for the record I have worked in Downham for three years from 2001 to 2004, and my Ex Mother in law lives in Bellingham which if you know Downham then you know Bellingham.
I have known here for over 34 years and she has lived in King Alfred Avenue for over 37 years. I had my wedding reception in Downham Minxy in 1979, so whilst not an ' expert ' on Souff London per se, I know downham and that neck of the woods a bit better than most.
Oh and my Ex Mother in law still lives there to this day. Oh and Bellingham is also a shit hole Minx, just to clarify things.:bounce:
My comments challenged you on your blame of the local residents I quote your earlier words which were. "These people leave their rubbish bags outside their houses for days on end, so if you are looking for anyone to blame, blame the residents for not keeping their rubbish more secure." I have merely stated this was not a fact. As I have proven if you look as I said on google maps and wonder around the streets you will see wheelie bins everywhere outside houses not rubbish bags bumped for weeks as you said. I think it is disgusting of you to say blame local residents when this is not true in your statement.
I just don't think it is right to blame people that are not doing what you say they are, if I would choose to live in an area of not, I wouldn't blame people for doing something they are not. You can say an area is shit hole that is your choice but to put on a public forum comments that are not true and to blame them for a injured baby I think is disgraceful so if I know your comments are false I shall say so.
You really should stop reading newspaper you are clearly showing signs of the point and blame culture they breed.
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Better still Star people can look for themselves and walk the roads if they google Downham Bromley in to google maps and zoom in you can walk the streets and see the green and black wheelie bins for themselves. I would like anyone to see the piles of rubbish you are talking about in Downham for themselves. Yes they are ex council and many are privately owned though the right to buy scheme that was set up years ago. So people can make their own minds up by their own eyes if they wish to do so.
You are certainly an expert on the workings of Souff London Minx. Seems you know every borough in that vast expanse. Do you know Clapham at all, or Balham, or what about Streatham? Can you give me the up to date run down on that towns restaurants opening hours please. In your eyes Minx all parts of Souff London are a wonder for all to behold. :bounce:
Minx your kind words about the place that is Downham, proves that you know very little indeed about that area. Next you will be likening it to a village feel with rows and rows of pretty flowers outside on people's window boxes.
:rotflmao:Living 2 miles away from it makes me no expert as I said people can look for themselves. But it amazing that you yourself living in Thamesmead know the working, people, rubbish, crime and everything else that happens in places that you have never lived. Yet I have for 25 years. Your comment from afar because you drive through. We have had this debate before. Stick to commenting on Thamesmead I wont challenge you then in what you say but I do have a right when you say Dowmham is full of rubbish as I travel through there on a regular basis and know many that live there.
You say what you see, I say what I see simple.
BTW I know clapham although I would never make a judgement on it without living there but driven through it many times. Streatham I know pretty well used to go skating nightclubbing and now have clients there. Balham I don't know well at all. Any more places you would like to ask me about?
I have only lived in the heart of SE London 48 years. Not some remote corner like thamesmead I would much rather live in downham than there BTW.
So what makes you the expect on SE London then?
Working in Bromley and driving through a place once again BTW do you know Bromley is a place that is in Kent, Bromley is also an area that has places like Downham within that does not come under Kent although have BR post codes. Just so you know.
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Star first I agreed a door open in mid winter with a baby I already said I thought looks suspicious.
Nothing suspicious about it Minx. The latch was broken and they reckon they had reported it. I cannot find any evidence in the media of that but they had contacted the authorities a ' couple ' of times apparently. In this day and age where heating costs are literally going through the roof, why would anyone leave a back door open? Surely if the latch was indeed broken, why not put something heavy against the back door to secure it and to keep the heat in? They were in the house as the baby was upstairs. A few questions I would want answered here, before I could possibly come to a conclusion in my own mind.
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Also although it is stating Bromley, as the person lives in a BR post code. The house is in fact within a London borough council that provide wheelie bins for both rubbish and recycled rubbish and I have never seen very much evidence of rubbish bags outside houses for days on end. The council here provide weekly collection. I can confirm that as it is in the borough I know very well.
Minx I am fully aware that it is Downham which is about 3 miles North of Bromley, that is very easy to find if you know how to search the web, hence the link at the bottom just for you. I used to work in that area not long ago. My ex Mother in law lives just up the road in the place with the Cat. To be honest I even know the road where this attack happened but am not prepared to say the road name. This particular area is dreadful and that is putting it very mildly. Ex council properties brought by Housing Associations, where the area is littered with rubbish. Tell you what Minx....I am going over that way on Thursday, shall I post a couple of pictures here of the kind of rubbish left outside some of the properties there? People here can then make their own judgements as to whether or not the rubbish is a problem or not.
Better still Star people can look for themselves and walk the roads if they google Downham Bromley in to google maps and zoom in you can walk the streets and see the green and black wheelie bins for themselves. I would like anyone to see the piles of rubbish you are talking about in Downham for themselves. Yes they are ex council and many are privately owned though the right to buy scheme that was set up years ago. So people can make their own minds up by their own eyes if they wish to do so.
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Minx too much in one go to answer there and am not going to quote and re-quote to that scale.
You want me to answer Minx, then kindly put your questions in a more easy to read format?
The bits that I will answer are...
Since when have parents not left a back door or a window open for fresh air while a baby is in the house?
What in the middle of winter? A door at the back of the house? I have never known anyone to do that in the depths of winter.
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Although I am feeling slightly suspicion with this case, as the weather is to cold at present I believe to have a door open with a baby around that is so young.
That sentence makes no sense at all as it seems not finished., so cannot answer it.
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Which is why Boris is calling for a cull of Foxes which I am pissed off about as we have foxes around here that have not been a nuisance to people yet but I believe you are going to get them killed for your own selfishness.
What a silly statement. For MY selfishness? I think man in general is responsible for their inability to discard of their own rubbish properly, and the councils insistence on bi weekly collections.I know this area rather well as I used to work about 5 minutes from there. These people leave their rubbish bags outside their houses for days on end, so if you are looking for anyone to blame, blame the residents for not keeping their rubbish more secure.
This council is now saying they will have to do a ' limited ' cull, but had one of those residents complained to Bromley Council last week about the fox that Bromley Council is in the spotlight funnily enough one of their Councillors is going to take a bit of action to shut the media up. Charming.
Star first I agreed a door open in mid winter with a baby I already said I thought looks suspicious.
Also although it is stating Bromley, as the person lives in a BR post code. The house is in fact within a London borough council that provide wheelie bins for both rubbish and recycled rubbish and I have never seen very much evidence of rubbish bags outside houses for days on end. The council here provide weekly collection. I can confirm that as it is in the borough I know very well.
The op thread is about the Mayor of London suggesting a cull of urban foxes. After an incident about a 4 week old baby allegedly having its finger bite off by a fox.
Star you went on saying the following:
Since when have parents not left a back door or a window open for fresh air while a baby is in the house?
Although I am feeling slightly suspicion with this case as the weather is to cold at present I believe to have a door open with a baby around that is so young.
But in your following quotes you contradict yourself on many occasions.
As you then went on to quote an article written by James Barrington I have quoted the following.
You then quote the following about his article
In your own submission you believed his article to be fair yet he is saying he isn’t against feeding foxes but do so in their environment which isn’t outside back doors but away from houses. You clearly state below you would need a law in place before you would possibly think about stopping.
You are complaining about culling yet agree James Barrington’s article is fair in his approach and he is saying people should stop feeding foxes from homes yet you see nothing wrong with what you are doing. Instead you quoted
Then Quote
Star you are encouraging this.
How long might it be before we are reading a baby is eaten by a fox entering a house?
Don’t worry thought as you wont be blamed the fox will.
But you will not be question about your feeding of them so close to houses which commonsense would tell most people. That to do so is making foxes believe houses now are places to get food not just bins and rubbish left around so to counter your argue you then quote the following.
Blame anyone apart from those that think it is fine to feed them from houses hey?
You then went onto Quote the following
Which clearly states, “foxes find it easier to find food in cities”.
Yet you blame the builders for lack of food.
Forgive me if I am wrong but I would have thought more houses more waste of food.
So you can ask the following from Blue
What are you doing for Foxes?
Which is why Boris is calling for a cull of Foxes which I am pissed off about as we have foxes around here that have not been a nuisance to people yet but I believe you are going to get them killed for your own selfishness.
You then quoted the following.
So I would like you to take a leaf out of your own words and stop being a menace to foxes and talk less and do more for the foxes and stop feeding them at your back door.
Feed them by railway embankments, woods etc.
I think your argues are lame and ill thought out without logical defence of what you are doing you have rules for all and rules for yourself which you would constantly defend but attack others.
Which I believe shows clear signs of authoritarianism personality traits.
Star you went on saying the following:
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A fox entered the home of a human and bit a child causing it to lose on of it's fingers. Sure a tragic case and one where I would ask what was a back door doing open with a young child in the house.
Since when have parents not left a back door or a window open for fresh air while a baby is in the house?
Although I am feeling slightly suspicion with this case as the weather is to cold at present I believe to have a door open with a baby around that is so young.
But in your following quotes you contradict yourself on many occasions.
As you then went on to quote an article written by James Barrington I have quoted the following.
Quote by James Barrinton”
If people want to feed foxes, that’s OK in my view, but again try to do this remotely, rather than attract the animal into taking food sometimes almost by hand. Encouraging them into the house or conservatory could mean we see further incidents of foxes being spooked and reacting in the way we have seen in news reports.
The fox is handsome animal and inviting wildlife into a back garden is a delight for many people. However, some treat the fox like an extended pet and this is where the problems start.
You then quote the following about his article
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That is why I posted the link Blue. There are arguments for and against as it should be if you are truly unbiased.
In your own submission you believed his article to be fair yet he is saying he isn’t against feeding foxes but do so in their environment which isn’t outside back doors but away from houses. You clearly state below you would need a law in place before you would possibly think about stopping.
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And how would you propose to catch these people? I would be very interested to know. I feed them in my garden, I see no problem with doing this, and unless you can show me a law that states what I am doing is illegal, I shall continue to do it. They are such wonderful animals, so much better than those other creatures..... the horse.
You are complaining about culling yet agree James Barrington’s article is fair in his approach and he is saying people should stop feeding foxes from homes yet you see nothing wrong with what you are doing. Instead you quoted
Then Quote
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Maybe leaving doors open with babies asleep in the house should also have been in the article, but maybe the author thought that would have been an obvious thing to do?
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What about instead of thinking up ways of controlling wild animals, why can't we find a way of stopping the human race from growing?
Star you are encouraging this.
How long might it be before we are reading a baby is eaten by a fox entering a house?
Don’t worry thought as you wont be blamed the fox will.
But you will not be question about your feeding of them so close to houses which commonsense would tell most people. That to do so is making foxes believe houses now are places to get food not just bins and rubbish left around so to counter your argue you then quote the following.
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Blame anyone Blue, then blame councils and Governments for continuing to reduce wild animals natural habitats. I am helping currently a nice couple of foxes who have I would presume mated to have nice little fox cubs.
Blame anyone apart from those that think it is fine to feed them from houses hey?
You then went onto Quote the following
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According to my very nice local Environmental Health officer who lives out in the countryside, he stated he does not see any foxes there now, they have all moved into the City areas, as much easier to find food.
Which clearly states, “foxes find it easier to find food in cities”.
Yet you blame the builders for lack of food.
Forgive me if I am wrong but I would have thought more houses more waste of food.
So you can ask the following from Blue
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What have you done for foxes Blue ? Helped the local hunt. Well that's helping the countryside, is it not? Some mad kinda logic there.
What are you doing for Foxes?
Which is why Boris is calling for a cull of Foxes which I am pissed off about as we have foxes around here that have not been a nuisance to people yet but I believe you are going to get them killed for your own selfishness.
You then quoted the following.
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Also Boris the menace as London Mayor, should talk less and do more action..
So I would like you to take a leaf out of your own words and stop being a menace to foxes and talk less and do more for the foxes and stop feeding them at your back door.
Feed them by railway embankments, woods etc.
I think your argues are lame and ill thought out without logical defence of what you are doing you have rules for all and rules for yourself which you would constantly defend but attack others.
Which I believe shows clear signs of authoritarianism personality traits.
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I wonder is it is just the UK education system that adopts plagiarism as an offence that can Subject students to sanctions like expulsion?
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Although seems it isn't the only thing the Australians seem to be cheating at with the recent news events.
I think the Aussies are far far behind the cheating antics of other countries. Unfortunately it seems that in sport anyway the need to cheat is huge. Lance Armstrong, Ben Johnson, London Rugby's Harlequins take cheating to a whole new level. The diving in our national game etc etc.
They are just ones that come easily to mind and there are a zillion more examples. So no point pinpointing just the Aussies, as it would seem they are all at it.
I think there is a huge difference of individual players being catch than A country being accused from a report by the country's Crime Commission.
The use of performance-enhancing drugs – in some cases facilitated by organised crime – was unearthed in a landmark, year-long investigation. In what's been described as a major blow to professional sport's integrity in Australia, the ACC found that the use of banned drugs had been "orchestrated and condoned" by coaches, sports scientists and support staff across multiple sporting codes.
I never pinpointed the Aussies their own Crime Commission has done it.
Incase you don't keep up with news you might want to listen to this link
I feel deeply sorry for the sports people there that are innocent of taking anything they have all been tarnished it seems and not by me.
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I saw this headline today, which took my attention.
There's an annual contest at the Griffith University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term.
This year's term was 'political correctness '.
The winning student wrote:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rapidly promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."
What are others views on this subject?
I wonder is it is just the UK education system that adopts plagiarism as an offence that can Subject students to sanctions like expulsion?
Although seems it isn't the only thing the Australians seem to be cheating at with the recent news events.
I think my attitude has changed over time and I do wish I never relinquished my maiden Name. If I had my time again I would prefer it being part of my children's name.
I also have wondered if in today's society and how times have changed if I would still get married. I have friends that have been together 21 years unmarried and have two teenage sons. One had issues in understand why his parents never got married and often use to ask them why they would they never got married and if they would ever commit and get married to each other. He also said to his mum it felt odd he had his dad's name and his mum has her own name.
Which made me wonder the children view of things.
I also have wondered if in today's society and how times have changed if I would still get married. I have friends that have been together 21 years unmarried and have two teenage sons. One had issues in understand why his parents never got married and often use to ask them why they would they never got married and if they would ever commit and get married to each other. He also said to his mum it felt odd he had his dad's name and his mum has her own name.
Which made me wonder the children view of things.
I thought I would ask the question as someone raised it in another thread.
Is marriage still highly thought of ?
I have often asked myself this question being married 25 years I believe it is important.
I believe it is more about commitment than the word marriage and that commitment was between my husband and myself set up together w ell before we were married as we were together 8 years prior to getting married.
The commitment was to work, support and provide together and to sacrifice something of ourselves when the time came to have children. As we believe having children you have to sacrifice something to gain something more desirable between you and that was to produce children together and commit to them.
Although not religious I do believe in my marriage although I see it as a commitment that we shared together and knowing the sacrifices we were both happy to make in the future and both adhered to those, which was and still is the commitment to work, support and provide together.
So in a way I we saw it as a contract between us two. It didn’t matter to us what others thought around us but keeping focused on what we agreed together, which was the case people would always have an opinion.
I don’t believe marriage can survive on just love. The love is the driving force behind the commitment but it is the commitment that can last as things happen to question the love.
This is just my opinion of what marriage means.
What does marriage mean is it just a word?
Should the word be changed?
Is marriage still highly thought of ?
I have often asked myself this question being married 25 years I believe it is important.
I believe it is more about commitment than the word marriage and that commitment was between my husband and myself set up together w ell before we were married as we were together 8 years prior to getting married.
The commitment was to work, support and provide together and to sacrifice something of ourselves when the time came to have children. As we believe having children you have to sacrifice something to gain something more desirable between you and that was to produce children together and commit to them.
Although not religious I do believe in my marriage although I see it as a commitment that we shared together and knowing the sacrifices we were both happy to make in the future and both adhered to those, which was and still is the commitment to work, support and provide together.
So in a way I we saw it as a contract between us two. It didn’t matter to us what others thought around us but keeping focused on what we agreed together, which was the case people would always have an opinion.
I don’t believe marriage can survive on just love. The love is the driving force behind the commitment but it is the commitment that can last as things happen to question the love.
This is just my opinion of what marriage means.
What does marriage mean is it just a word?
Should the word be changed?
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Is anyone actually aware of the House of Lords reforms at all?
Have a Google at that one, and see that there are actually ELECTED members. Maybe not elected by the general public, but elected all the same. Is being elected by someone for something not democratic now then?
The history of the House of Lords in all seriousness, is well worth a read.
Excellent.
You gave two links I have read both one is from the Chairman of the appoints commission. He stated "As Chair of the House of Lords Appointments Commission I should like to welcome you to our website.
It is my belief that an effective Second Chamber is an important part of our constitution and our democracy. But it will only be effective if it has the right people working in it. This is where the Appointments Commission plays its part."
"The Commission's role is to select new independent members of the House of Lords."
The second link shows there are 750 peers 600 of which are life peers which have either been given or nominated their role and the commission decide, 92 hereditary peers so passed onto them, you have the law lords and then archbishops and bishops.
Which leaves me wondering where the election process takes place?
Nominations are not the same thing as elections.
As far as I can see the select committee make the decision on the nominations put forward. Which leads me to think it is no different than having a interview and presenting your CV. Which I don't believe can be called an election.
That may be so but it does form part of a democratic process.
As democracy means - Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Democracy allows eligible citizens to participate equally—either directly or through elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws.
As the Lords are not elected through either you or I or a representative we have elected I don't believe it is part of Democracy. I do however believe there should be another house and perhaps the system they have in place with the lords is a far balance of judgement.
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Allegedly he was told that he could not ride his bicycle through the main gate (something he always had done up to that evening). He said that that under his breath he muttered "how fucking annoying" but was unsure whether it was loud enough to be heard but accepts that this is what he said and that on reflection he should not have said it. There is some doubt whether the police officer even heard this judging from the cctv footage which showed nothing more than Mitchell riding to the main gate, dismounting and walking alongside a police officer to the side gate pushing his bicycle.
No hint of aggression, arguing or confrontation could be seen from the cctv footage yet it was an aggressive, foul mouthed confrontation that was alleged.
Th he knew what he said in my opinion, and he said it loud enough to piss the Police officer off.
Why don't you watch the programme instead of making things up.
I did watch it TH and cannot make my mind up.
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I shall wait for a trial and a jury to convict, before I make a judgement on this one
I am now
After writing this as a post on another thread I decided to start a new one as it question the meaning of hypocrisy as it is seem riff in society generally. I believe many get catch up within many concepts of the structure of life and seem hypocrites.
Does hypocrisy rule here in many ways about the meaning of marriage which is a rule laid down by the church.
I know people here including myself that are married yet met others for sex. Yet some wouldn't say Gay marriage within the church should not be made legal but believe in a civil ceremony between gay people.
If you believe in the rules the church lay down, you can’t believe in one part and not another. Picking out the bits that suits you.
The same can be said for gay people that want to be married in a church a place that sees gay relationships as an abomination.
Or the church refusing gay marriages yet evidence has clearly shown it doesn't practice what it preaches.
I believe in humanity, democracy and the law. People should have the right to choose who they marry and how they conduct their lives. I am hoping that is what Cameron might believe in standing up to hypocrisy and something he believes in. Even though he knew it wouldn’t have his parties backing but was backed by an outstanding majority of votes in the commons by the people elected to be there. Surely that is a sign of true democracy.
You either oppose the church’s rules or abide by them. To chooses a part to believe in and not other parts isn’t that hypocrisy?
You either believe in democratic system or oppose it, you can't then moan when things don't go the way you like. Isn’t that hypocrisy?
Is prejudice and hypocrisy linked?
In other words does prejudice cause hypocrisy?
Or hypocrisy cause prejudice?
Does hypocrisy rule here in many ways about the meaning of marriage which is a rule laid down by the church.
I know people here including myself that are married yet met others for sex. Yet some wouldn't say Gay marriage within the church should not be made legal but believe in a civil ceremony between gay people.
If you believe in the rules the church lay down, you can’t believe in one part and not another. Picking out the bits that suits you.
The same can be said for gay people that want to be married in a church a place that sees gay relationships as an abomination.
Or the church refusing gay marriages yet evidence has clearly shown it doesn't practice what it preaches.
I believe in humanity, democracy and the law. People should have the right to choose who they marry and how they conduct their lives. I am hoping that is what Cameron might believe in standing up to hypocrisy and something he believes in. Even though he knew it wouldn’t have his parties backing but was backed by an outstanding majority of votes in the commons by the people elected to be there. Surely that is a sign of true democracy.
You either oppose the church’s rules or abide by them. To chooses a part to believe in and not other parts isn’t that hypocrisy?
You either believe in democratic system or oppose it, you can't then moan when things don't go the way you like. Isn’t that hypocrisy?
Is prejudice and hypocrisy linked?
In other words does prejudice cause hypocrisy?
Or hypocrisy cause prejudice?
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Is anyone actually aware of the House of Lords reforms at all?
Have a Google at that one, and see that there are actually ELECTED members. Maybe not elected by the general public, but elected all the same. Is being elected by someone for something not democratic now then?
The history of the House of Lords in all seriousness, is well worth a read.
Excellent.
You gave two links I have read both one is from the Chairman of the appoints commission. He stated "As Chair of the House of Lords Appointments Commission I should like to welcome you to our website.
It is my belief that an effective Second Chamber is an important part of our constitution and our democracy. But it will only be effective if it has the right people working in it. This is where the Appointments Commission plays its part."
"The Commission's role is to select new independent members of the House of Lords."
The second link shows there are 750 peers 600 of which are life peers which have either been given or nominated their role and the commission decide, 92 hereditary peers so passed onto them, you have the law lords and then archbishops and bishops.
Which leaves me wondering where the election process takes place?
Nominations are not the same thing as elections.
As far as I can see the select committee make the decision on the nominations put forward. Which leads me to think it is no different than having a interview and presenting your CV. Which I don't believe can be called an election.
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Where have all the moderators gone ? ?
I am pleased to see the mods step back personally, I think the best form of moderating the forums are the people that use them.
If you believe you have a strong enough case about the conduct and behaviour of someone towards you. I would think gathering the evidence and presenting your case to admin would be the best forum of moderation.
Unlike the chat rooms where it is hard to form enough evidence as chat disappears so I believe the chat rooms should be watched.
People can't deny what they write here as it is there for everyone to see.
I have always believed one person like a moderator making a judgement on what has been said can be subjective and sometimes interpreted in the wrong way.
So it is one of those jobs that mods can be doomed if they do and doomed if they don't and then people can say they are picking sides.
Maybe admin are setting up a jury of 13 as we speak.
Isn't that the way law and order works in our country and serves us well enough.
For years I opened a regional room. I think a host can create an atmosphere where all feel welcome and encourage people to join in chat. You used to able to do this when people couldn’t occupy more than one room. Since the changes and people can be in multiple rooms apart from a hand full have lost that community feel and died. Even in the hand full of rooms a lot of the people there you find are in other rooms.
I believe, since the changes the social element of what made the site great is dying a few are holding onto the social element. I think it is attracting, far more men that want to scratch an itch. These will hunt for a woman on cam dressed or undressed then bombarded them with multiple whispers to show or do more on cam for them. The change in the rules that you no longer have to ask to accept a whisper has encouraged this to happen.
This can be off putting for more women I believe including myself to go on cam even like me that mostly go on cam just so people can see who they are talking to. I have had 50+ watchers recently apart from a couple of people chatting in the room and the ones trying to direct you in whispers it is impossible to get them to say hello.
I have never understood that directing in the room is against the rules, then to take away the rule that you need permission to whisper has encouraged this to happen which has driven them out of view and into whispers and members now have to put up with it.
I know the site have given us the block whisper button but the user doesn’t know his whispers have been blocked. I think if a message came up on his chat file this user has blocked you from talking to them the message might start getting through to those that persistently whisper directions to those on cam and the penny might drop to change their ways.
Those that have manners still ask if it is ok to whisper but many don’t and believe it is their right to say anything to you. I believed this rule used to encourage basic manners.
I personally would like to see the site go back to the old two ways I have mentioned above that it is a rule to whisper which would encourage more to chat in the rooms. Also you can only occupy a place in one room.
I think more and more regular users with a swinging mentality are being pushed away and it is attracting more and more that pop on to scratch and itch. Many of these have been members prior to 2006 when I have looked at their profiles which is prior to change over so don’t generate any income I believe.
Although this is a bit of a rant there are still nice people about who I believe should be encouraged to stay. I have even encouraged a few to renew their memberships and not give up. A lot come here expected a swingers mentality and a lot find it isn't offering what they are paying for which is like mixing with like minded people.
I believe, since the changes the social element of what made the site great is dying a few are holding onto the social element. I think it is attracting, far more men that want to scratch an itch. These will hunt for a woman on cam dressed or undressed then bombarded them with multiple whispers to show or do more on cam for them. The change in the rules that you no longer have to ask to accept a whisper has encouraged this to happen.
This can be off putting for more women I believe including myself to go on cam even like me that mostly go on cam just so people can see who they are talking to. I have had 50+ watchers recently apart from a couple of people chatting in the room and the ones trying to direct you in whispers it is impossible to get them to say hello.
I have never understood that directing in the room is against the rules, then to take away the rule that you need permission to whisper has encouraged this to happen which has driven them out of view and into whispers and members now have to put up with it.
I know the site have given us the block whisper button but the user doesn’t know his whispers have been blocked. I think if a message came up on his chat file this user has blocked you from talking to them the message might start getting through to those that persistently whisper directions to those on cam and the penny might drop to change their ways.
Those that have manners still ask if it is ok to whisper but many don’t and believe it is their right to say anything to you. I believed this rule used to encourage basic manners.
I personally would like to see the site go back to the old two ways I have mentioned above that it is a rule to whisper which would encourage more to chat in the rooms. Also you can only occupy a place in one room.
I think more and more regular users with a swinging mentality are being pushed away and it is attracting more and more that pop on to scratch and itch. Many of these have been members prior to 2006 when I have looked at their profiles which is prior to change over so don’t generate any income I believe.
Although this is a bit of a rant there are still nice people about who I believe should be encouraged to stay. I have even encouraged a few to renew their memberships and not give up. A lot come here expected a swingers mentality and a lot find it isn't offering what they are paying for which is like mixing with like minded people.
Quote by starlightcouple
Star please be warned that you are showing demanding and bullish tatics and I have good reason to report you should you wish to carry on and let admin decide if the way you conduct yourself on the forums when no means no and revert to demands is a way to behave I believe this site adopts a no means no policy in other areas of the site and I would challenge those if not adopted in the forums.
I don't wish to tittle tattle but I do wish to converse with people that don't demand to tell everyone where I live as I have a family and others that rely on me. So choosing to be discrete on here is my choose to protect those I love and care for.
So do not demand anything else from me that I choose not to disclose.
Thanks
Minx
I am duly warned Minx, but I would hope that admin had seen exactly why I kept asking. Had you have said at the very beginning that you under no circumstances were you going to give any idea as to where you live not even the borough you live in, and for the life I me I cannot see why, I would have backed off then. Remember Minx I myself know exactly what borough you do live in, so it was not for my benefit.
As an aside in future if you or anyone else does not want to answer a question for any reason, then just say at the start, sorry but I am not prepared to answer that question. It would have saved a lot of finger typing. :notes:
Star,
I put my opinion on a forum, for people to read and make their own opinions.
I don’t expect or accept that everything that I write or others write needs to pass your criticisms, scrutiny, questions and acceptability tests.
I don’t expect or accept that you have a right, to make comments on public forum about my personal life. Telling me that I must be embarrassed about where I live or how I live my life for everyone to see.
I don’t expect or accept that you have a right to demand your questions about me to be answered.
I don’t expect or accept someone should demand of me here to disclose more information about where I live other than what I choose to share with everyone.
I don’t expect or accept that if you know information about me that gives you the right to tell everyone on the forums.
Star you have tried to discredit all that I have said I have responded in my earlier post why I said what I have and how and where I got the information based on my own personal life. You have totally ignore that post.
Yet you have made demands, called me a loon, you might as well even called me a liar.
Then you say “I am duly warned Minx, but I would hope that admin had seen exactly why I kept asking”.
If Admin agrees you hounding and persistence of another member is acceptable, I would find that very concerning for this site.
“Had you have said at the very beginning that you under no circumstances were you going to give any idea as to where you live not even the borough you live in, and for the life I me I cannot see why.
If you don’t see why? Then I have concerns about your decency on discretion being paramount. As you know this is a public forum. I am entitled to keep any private information about myself private.
“I would have backed off then.”
So you were using bullish and hounding tatics then?
“Remember Minx I myself know exactly what borough you do live in, so it was not for my benefit. “
So this gives you the right to demand that I tell everyone then?
“As an aside in future if you or anyone else does not want to answer a question for any reason, then just say at the start, sorry but I am not prepared to answer that question. It would have saved a lot of finger typing.”
Since when have you had the authority that I or anyone else is accountable to tell you anything?
To top it off you think that by sending me a pm will somehow make everything better, I don't wish to know what you have to say so far you have been very good at undermine me in public why now take it private?
So for that reason I will not be opening it.
After reading a post from Cubes on another thread about flirting.
I keep wondering what is flirting?
I have been told I flirt and am good at it but I don't really know what others see that makes me a flirt.
I am an innocent flirt, innocent of all charges.
What is this flirting business everyone talks about?
I keep wondering what is flirting?
I have been told I flirt and am good at it but I don't really know what others see that makes me a flirt.
I am an innocent flirt, innocent of all charges.
What is this flirting business everyone talks about?
Quote by Paul80
Cameron has promised a referendum on staying in the euro zone should he win another term
do you think this is a good or bad thing to leave Europe
It would be bad to stay in europe as it stands now, it’s becoming much more that the free trading promise from the original common market. Don’t know about you, but I feel my vote is worth much less now, and I’m not sure what I’m getting for it. I did agree with the free market but I don’t agree with all the red tape, in my view we just don’t need to be integrated to the level the Germans and French seem to think!
Its just one big mess, I would be in favour of scrapping the lot and starting again from fresh… And I for one feel we should have a referendum no matter what government are in power.
Politicians need to be reminded we are a democracy
I believe like you it is a mess at present I think it all needs starting again. I would like to believe it can work it is working out how it can. At present it all seems trail and error.
I believe like you in free market, I even believe in the freedom of migrant workers.
We are not at a stage yet where law, order, single currencies should be lead under one roof.
I believe they tried to do everything together and why is isn't working instead of the focus being one aspect of agreement and they slowly build up from there once that is accepted and working.
Hello Stranger 
I have often sat and pondered in my quiet moments if I would live anywhere else. I have traveled the world in my mind as I know of a lot of people that have been here and gone home or have left the UK and settled elsewhere.
I really couldn't live for good I have to many people around that mean to much.
I would however like to visit all those I know overseas and have invited me to go and stay with them within their own countries and meet their families.
So if I had the money I would travel round the world and spend a week in with each of them that would take me to enough places but I would always want to come home again. So give me your address and I shall pop in while visiting my cousins that have lived there for years.
I have often sat and pondered in my quiet moments if I would live anywhere else. I have traveled the world in my mind as I know of a lot of people that have been here and gone home or have left the UK and settled elsewhere.
I really couldn't live for good I have to many people around that mean to much.
I would however like to visit all those I know overseas and have invited me to go and stay with them within their own countries and meet their families.
So if I had the money I would travel round the world and spend a week in with each of them that would take me to enough places but I would always want to come home again. So give me your address and I shall pop in while visiting my cousins that have lived there for years.
Quote by starlightcouple
Minx for the last time, what exact part of South East London do you live in? Of course I know exactly what borough it is but for obvious reasons do not want to be the one to mention it on here. I cannot see your problem to be honest, unless by naming it and people doing a little research they would very easily see, it is a run down part of London that needs a serious lick of paint, and has huge troubles as the riots proved.
You painted this wonderland of an area where you live, and yet the opposite is true Minx, and that is why you won't say where it is.
Don't know where the problem is, you should try living on Thamesmead.
Star please be warned that you are showing demanding and bullish tatics and I have good reason to report you should you wish to carry on and let admin decide if the way you conduct yourself on the forums when no means no and revert to demands is a way to behave I believe this site adopts a no means no policy in other areas of the site and I would challenge those if not adopted in the forums.
I don't wish to tittle tattle but I do wish to converse with people that don't demand to tell everyone where I live as I have a family and others that rely on me. So choosing to be discrete on here is my choose to protect those I love and care for.
So do not demand anything else from me that I choose not to disclose.
Thanks
Minx
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snipped.... You painted this wonderland of an area where you live, and yet the opposite is true Minx
I didn't get that sense of feeling from minx's post star.
Perhaps you read something into it I couldn't
What I got from minx's posts about her area of London was that the people in her community were engaging and not as worrying to her as some people might like to imagine.
Given the time she has spent in the community, I can understand that but for someone with my gentile and sheltered background over most of my adult life and unused to such intense living, I would find it quite disturbing and threatening.
Minx will give her own reasons I'm sure but that is how I see it.
Hi GNV you seem a sensible person, so I will explain to you. Although it Star seems hell bent making it a gang thread, which wasn't my intention. I was simply saying in the beginning to use immigration as the only reason to opt out of Europe was wrong.
You can't lump everyone together under one heading, there are migrate workers, Refugees and others, that just see here as a better way of life and try and sneak in.
Let’s not mix the true meaning of what a refugee is either, which the media seem to do and mixing them all in the pot together. I know of some and I have to write references to immigration for.
Star like the media would lead you to believe that many don’t integrate into our society and want to take all our houses and sponge of the state. That simply isn’t true, many I know do work, pay their bills and taxes.
I have also known many here on student visa’s a lot of which have gone back home now. Believe me the state never covered their costs, many families abroad clump together to educate their children and pay the lodging fees.
I can’t say to much as I am heavily involved with something in my personal life in a voluntary capacity that caters for various people from all backgrounds and cultures from 6 years to retired older folk and run youth development programs within that. Where young and old from English to many other nationality that come together and support each other there around 500 of us 40 of which run it voluntary in what we provide. We all work too as none of us get paid for what we do.
What star is saying is true I leave work and involved and have been involved in areas that have has many problems but a place where I wanted my children bought up to see for themselves what it is like and work out how bad it really is and to understand and see the causes themselves like I have done over 48 years.
When I was young I lived in a rough area I knew children that others would fear I knew adults that had guns and did bank jobs etc. I knew kids that smoked had sex at young ages. My school even set up a classroom for girls and their babies back in the 1970’s
I failed school as it was hard. I was bullied because I wouldn’t conform. I learnt then at 12 I could fear or learn my lessons of life from them.
I have friends going back 30 odd years that could be on a much different path if they never found anyone to trust and showed compassion. This isn’t just a problem in my area, I knew I could have moved and found it anywhere.
The levels around me are just higher but the higher the levels I felt the more we can understand. What these children felt was a detachment. School never provided that as children do not understand the concept of why and what we are teaching them the world has become to complex for them to understand and feel part of. Today I see myself facing the same problems around me. I have spoken to children that allege they are in gangs.
Years ago we used to say my dad is bigger than yours, many can’t say that now, so have reverted to my gang is bigger than yours. Many children at my children’s have said they are in gangs. When my children have started to talk to them and understand them as they have spend 5 years around them. They are not in gangs but feel safer saying they are.
As they get bigger they fear less and understand what education was trying to teach them, by then it is to late for many they have spend to much time trying to see how and where they fit in and not fear and not actually understanding the concept of what and why we are teaching them. We cram to much into them from Romans, Tudors, science, maths, computers, etc etc from as young as 5 and expect them all to work it out for themselves. Those it seems that know they fit into life at home or have self motivation pull through better than the rest.
If we don’t make them feel part of and belonging to something they feel they have nothing to protect them. Now days I see some children who’s parents both work opting to say they are in gangs as they fear going home to an empty house, many of which walk themselves to school from as young as 8.
Children understand from a young age we can’t survive in life alone. We need others to survive we are after all group pack animals. All they are doing is attaching themselves to packs. If they have a family detachment many are feeling the gang is the next best option. Safety in numbers and all that.
I know children who have carried knives not to use but feel safer with it. Much of the time, the children are driving the fear without even knowing it. When I have asked many how many times about the streets walking home from school etc. have they been stopped many say they have been asked what they are doing in this area etc. The said they have been scared when it has happened. I have then asked if during the stop has anyone hurt them? No is the answer so I have explain rational fear and irrational fear. Most have said to me when I have explained that I am right. These are teenagers mostly I speak to.
We need to start to question what do they fear rather than fearing them, these are kids that just want to belong somewhere. We also need to question what are we really teaching them at school.
Over my life I have put my philosophy to other adults that had different views also to see immigrates in much the same light. There is a basic humanity link. Human nature prevails we all want to feel safe, accepted and part of something to thrive. Fear is the driving factor.
Star can carry on blaming immigrants, gangs, lack of housing, jobs for all our problems.
Then I would want to know why this doesn’t just happen in the area I live but country wide.
I have a friend in Lincs in a nice little white beach community mostly retired people yet her son was on drugs fought with other local youth. One night one of his friends knocked on her door for help he had been stabbed. Luckily I only know of two lads that have been stabbed personally and know hundreds more that have lived in this area all their lives many are now adults and haven’t.
Like the media star would have you believe in irrational fear I like to work on rational fear myself and teach this to those that know me. They all then work it out themselves as many only know personally those that have been stabbed it has turned out got themselves involved with the wrong people and the two I knew have since changed they lives into another direction and one has a very promising future. Being part of making this happen gives me belief to carry on.
I shall let others carry on blaming everyone else as franking I have many more rewarding things and get on with my work to pay my tax to support those that have nothing better to do.
I have no interest in those that want to be proud of owning a 52in TV.
I would like to hear from those that have a rational reason why we shouldn’t elect to stay in Eurpoe. As yet apart from immigrate which there are strong controls in place that I have to adhere to and report and keep records to prove and work within border control regulations. If these are not being adhered in other areas then that should be addressed and has no relevance in my opinion on the opportunity to vote to join Europe and blame immigrants for that happening.
So I base my opinion if to join on my own findings and what others see, not what politicians want to argue or newspapers want to report. As people on the ground can see far more what is happening than any of those can see.
Quote by flower411
I have traced my fathers side back to the 1600's and to the Huguenot's.
There is also Jewish 3 generations back on my fathers side
On my mother side my great grandmother who I remember visiting was Italian. There is also Irish on my mothers fathers side 3 generations back.
I am bit of a mongrel.
Might be why some might see me as a mutt
Interesting you mention Jewish .... Both sides of my family appear to have silversmiths and/or money lenders involved at some point and with the East End connection (and my nose) I once suggested to my Dad that we may be Jewish
Now ....my Dad was an extremely reasonable mild mannered sort of bloke .....generally :lol:
He went all weird on me ........funny thing prejudice :lol:
We could be related
Just don't mention that Winston Churchill descended from the Huguenot's
Some would hate to think he might have french in him. :wink:
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Well !!!!
I must admit I`d never really thought about it before so I had no idea which language was most widely spoken in the UK after English...
Blimey ..... it`s Polish ! Who would have thought it ?
FFS, noone tell Star, we'll be here all bloody week! :shock: Flower, you're a twat sometimes, d'you know that?
I could teach you all my second language, it is called gibberish he would never understand that
I have traced my fathers side back to the 1600's and to the Huguenot's.
There is also Jewish 3 generations back on my fathers side
On my mother side my great grandmother who I remember visiting was Italian. There is also Irish on my mothers fathers side 3 generations back.
I am bit of a mongrel.
Might be why some might see me as a mutt
There is also Jewish 3 generations back on my fathers side
On my mother side my great grandmother who I remember visiting was Italian. There is also Irish on my mothers fathers side 3 generations back.
I am bit of a mongrel.
Might be why some might see me as a mutt
Quote by starlightcouple
Star I have never driven, I use public services, I use schools within the borough and surrounds I have used more than one local hospital. You talk about infrastructure now as an argument. These being Public services. Which has no relevance on the vote into euro or not.
I was countering your argument about immigrating and integration as being a reason to not elect to join the Europe.
Blaming immigrates for everything is clearly wrong saying they are the cause for everything and don't intergrate. That isn't my findings is what I am saying from where I live work and went to school based on my living amongst it.
You said early to someone do you live amongst it? I clearly have shown I have and do. You have even said you know where I live. I don't think I have to prove my whereabouts you have already stated I live amongst it.
Hot I am pleased Star stands up and people can see what he stands for. Many keep quiet I wonder how far in the minority he really is.
I would like to hear why others would or wouldn't join Europe I can see why you wouldn't star.
Thanks for answering my question Minx. You clearly are ashamed of where you live as why not tell us? I know and you know and lets be fair we both know that your particular borough is everything I have said it is and more.
I have not blamed immigrants for every ill this country has, what I am saying is that it now needs to be controlled and not open door policy. Blimey even the Labour party see that now, now that it is too late of course.
Not just me saying it either. A lot do not integrate and I have no idea how you can possibly say they all do. :doh:
I have also shown I 'live amongst it' as you put it, and you obviously have no idea where Camberwell is Minx. As a BIG clue....it is very near to that wonderland you refer to as Peckham. :bounce: You remember Minx, you take your kids to the cinema there.
If you were so clever Star about the geographical area I lived and went to school, which I have told you both in this thread. With your brains and knowing the area so well would know that to get from Kennington to Peckham you walk through camberwell doh!
Which is why I never bothered answering you thought you had enough knowledge to have worked it out for yourself. Sorry maybe I should have announced in the papers you buy as it shows you don't take in and read posts made here.
Star I have never driven, I use public services, I use schools within the borough and surrounds I have used more than one local hospital. You talk about infrastructure now as an argument. These being Public services. Which has no relevance on the vote into euro or not.
I was countering your argument about immigrating and integration as being a reason to not elect to join the Europe.
Blaming immigrates for everything is clearly wrong saying they are the cause for everything and don't intergrate. That isn't my findings is what I am saying from where I live work and went to school based on my living amongst it.
You said early to someone do you live amongst it? I clearly have shown I have and do. You have even said you know where I live. I don't think I have to prove my whereabouts you have already stated I live amongst it.
Hot I am pleased Star stands up and people can see what he stands for. Many keep quiet I wonder how far in the minority he really is.
I would like to hear why others would or wouldn't join Europe I can see why you wouldn't star.
I was countering your argument about immigrating and integration as being a reason to not elect to join the Europe.
Blaming immigrates for everything is clearly wrong saying they are the cause for everything and don't intergrate. That isn't my findings is what I am saying from where I live work and went to school based on my living amongst it.
You said early to someone do you live amongst it? I clearly have shown I have and do. You have even said you know where I live. I don't think I have to prove my whereabouts you have already stated I live amongst it.
Hot I am pleased Star stands up and people can see what he stands for. Many keep quiet I wonder how far in the minority he really is.
I would like to hear why others would or wouldn't join Europe I can see why you wouldn't star.
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Having lived in Kennington from 1971- 1978 and went shopping weekly with my mum to Brixton. I also went to school in Peckham from 1974 -1979. Then worked in Peckham from 1979 - 1992. My grandparents and hubby lived in peckham and many of my friends.
I know the area a tad. Have you ever lived there star as you seem to know so much, maybe we grew up and worked together there at some stage.
I have even taken my children to the cinema in peckham, ever been there Star. In is now on the foundations of the building where I worked for years. If you know peckham that well you would be able to tell me the lay out of the high street and Brixton for that matter. Have you walked the streets there?
Do you know why the riots started star as I was amongst them working.
Do you really have any idea star????
Just highlighted a couple of bits Minx.
Firstly where to begin from this person born and bred in the country who knows very little of city life. :doh:
Firstly was born in Brixton,Ferndale Road to be a bit more precise. Oh yes I have walked the streets of Brixton's shopping malls a year being escorted around Brixton's market with my Mum for her weekly veg. They went shopping there every week for years long before 1971 Minx. My Father was born in Kennington in fact the first boy ever born in the block of flats him and his two Sisters and parents lived in. Those flats btw are still there today over 80 years on, and my Father remembers them as being typical of 1930's British housing in inner cities, but they are still bloody there.
I moved to Clapham North for a few years before living in Camberwell for about 3 years just off the Camberwell Road. I presume you know Camberwell Minx? Then moved to just outside Plaistow on Sea, and now unfortunately reside on that wonderful multicultural city called........Thamesmead. So Minx the places I have lived in and currently live in could not be more diverse anywhere else in the world I reckon. Do you know anything about Thamesmead at all? It is without a shadow of a doubt the most diverse and multicultural town in the UK I reckon, but if not certainly south of the Thames.
As for Peckham Minx, the only Peckham that I know of is the one where gun crime is rife. Black gang culture is also rife and plenty of drive by shootings and stabbings from drug related gangs. I also remember it as the place where a certain Damilola Taylor was murdered on the most notorious of council estates being the North Peckham Estate. You take your kids to a place like that Minx?
I know that was from 2007 Minx but gun crime and the gang culture is worse now, check the crime figures on the Met's web site. So you see Minx I have been brought up in tough South London inner cities, I know a bit about the workings of them and I know I do not possess any rose tinted glasses. I think to be honest that you have not got a single clue about the workings of South London, as you certainly lack any knowledge in that fantastic area that you visit in Peckham.
Just a little reminder though Minx in case you had forgotten.
Care to tell us where you live now Minx?
Not that far from where my roots were about three miles away from Peckham.
Ahh I know thamesmead well, my cousins moved there in the beginning of the developments there back in the 1970's I believe. I remember sailing boats on the lake they built there around near the shops and the residence club. It was the idyllic dream wasn't it star?
I have no where said SE London was perfect but then I know nowhere is.
A lot of lessons by the government have been learnt about the stucture and development of housing estates. Including thamesmead I believe.
Have you seen the developments since of the North Peckham estate? Star?
Driving through someone where it gives you such expert knowledge. I never lived during the war and don't profess to know all knowledge about it.
Although you seem to be an expert on everything.
I don't mind getting corrected when I am wrong and openly admit I don't know everything.
I think I am more able to comment on my own findings on a area I grow up went to school worked in had many friends from and three 3 generations or my family before me.
Rather than someone that drives through.
That is like saying me saying I have driven through many places and profess to know what it must be like to live there like you always do star.
Then you mock everyone but I ain't for mocking star as I laugh at you as when I ask you questions you just find another angle to mock.
Which is very childish patterns of behavior to be honest. Even my children can argue a better debate with me and beat me. I have been using the same psychology I use on them.
When you change tactics you have lost the debate.
But it has been very entertaining while sitting here working on my coffee breaks.
Best get back to my Asian clients I do business with as without them as clients I can't pay my bills. Which then means I would have to go out and work and commute again in this weather. Work smart is my aim frees time too.
