Thanks Gurl. No following that path isn`t easy, but neither is living a lie. I`m also aware of the psychological issues which can seriously fuck up a person`s life when they try to do this, it seems they just need to choose beween which hardship is going to damage them the most. Much of the hardship faced by those who choose the surgery could be avoided if people could simply understand that it`s the brain which determines gender and not the physical appearance. Things go awry in foetal developement all the time, people except and correct this, as soon as it comes down to physical gender developmental cockups, too many people take the ignorant way out.
I`m working on a fax sheet citing medical facts which people can grasp.
Venusxxx
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VenusnMars
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Why do I do it? Checking out transexual issues and I come across this.
Sometimes it astounds me how people like this earn the right to be standing upright. How the fuck does someone with such a stagnated thought process manage to remember to breathe?! My blood didn`t boil so much from the person who started the thread, as much as it did from one who added to it, I`m not sure I can cope with 36 pages of someone incapable of offering an opposing argument to support his bullshit. How the fuck do you dismantle that?! What an arsehole!
Sorry, I`m sure some of you guys have seen and heard it all before, some of you more first-hand, but I needed to vent before I killed something. I`m worried for my friend.
Venusxxx
Sometimes it astounds me how people like this earn the right to be standing upright. How the fuck does someone with such a stagnated thought process manage to remember to breathe?! My blood didn`t boil so much from the person who started the thread, as much as it did from one who added to it, I`m not sure I can cope with 36 pages of someone incapable of offering an opposing argument to support his bullshit. How the fuck do you dismantle that?! What an arsehole!
Sorry, I`m sure some of you guys have seen and heard it all before, some of you more first-hand, but I needed to vent before I killed something. I`m worried for my friend.
Venusxxx
Quote by steveg_nw
I'm sure you're probably right. How many straight single guys do you think bite their tongues or avoid posting an opinion in a thread because they want to maintain an "acceptable" profile?
Steve
Possibly quite a few, I started a thread some time ago which confronted the question of `over-compensation` by `minority` groups, not straight males par-se, but the suggestion was inclusive. The thread totally dived. Might have just been because it was a crap thread however!
Venusxxx
TnH told us all to look out for the guy with a grey cuddly elephant of the table.....a grey cuddly elephant which he managed to block out with his 6ft + well built bulk! I believe one at least one attendee managed to sit within 10ft of us all night and totally missed that we were the guys she was looking for! 
Venusxxx
Venusxxx
Quote by steveg_nw
Venus said that straight regular posters seem to be a minority here, and I'd tend to agree.
Not something I've ever noticed at all. Perhaps you only notice the people you want to notice.
Perhaps you are right Steve, although I would hope someones sexuality didn`t prove to be a factor to me when bouncing banter off of another member, perhaps I, at least am guilty of making more friends among the bi members because of contacting them more often when discussing more sexual matters with them, so perhaps I unconciously notice them more. It`s given me food for thought. I do have a few good straight male friends from here also, for sexual and other characteristics we share, plus bi male friends I`d never swing with. I can`t say I`ve ever done the math though, it was just an impression.
Quote by StevegNW
Perhaps if they were a bit more vocal in the forums, we'd have a more balanced representation of sexuality here - making it a more comfortable place for everyone, regardless of sexual orientation.
Straight guys HAVE posted their points of view in the forum before and you'd be surpised at just how quickly they get jumped on for being "narrow minded" by our more liberal "bi bretheren".
Or perhaps it is this feeling which is encouraging straight guys to remain low key and thats why I was getting that impression?
For the record however, the first guy we ever swung with was straight. Bloody good it was too! :bounce:
Venusxxx
There was once a time Swinging was only defined as wife-swapping, and it`s definition has moved on from those days. I`m personally keen to see the definition include anyone who is exploring their sexuality and liberation with multiple partners, and this is done within the Swinging scene by many single people. In fact, there are enough genuine Swinging Singles within the scene to make that definition valid, and for them, and many who interact with them, their approach is far different to just going out and having sex. It also includes the Swinging state of mind so many have expressed before. It is that philosophy which is the backbone of swinging IMHO.
Venusxxx
Venusxxx
We would just like to extend our thanks to a couple of the Single male swingers here (you know who you are 
) for proving to be so accomodating, patient and answering all of our queries, helping us to fit in comfortably with the scene. It`s so good to see that there are some single guys here who `get what it is all about` and are willing to extend this to some of us more `wet behind the ears` couples.
Neither am I over-looking a couple who have also helped us tremendously, but I figured the above thanks to some of the single guys here needed to be heard, for neither of us would have been approaching them for advice on how to pick up a one night stand, and I think that is worth taking on board.
VenusnMarsxxx
) for proving to be so accomodating, patient and answering all of our queries, helping us to fit in comfortably with the scene. It`s so good to see that there are some single guys here who `get what it is all about` and are willing to extend this to some of us more `wet behind the ears` couples.Neither am I over-looking a couple who have also helped us tremendously, but I figured the above thanks to some of the single guys here needed to be heard, for neither of us would have been approaching them for advice on how to pick up a one night stand, and I think that is worth taking on board.
VenusnMarsxxx
Quote by Debbiewebs
But the reason is that i am on and off so often that i could do serous damage to those that suffer strobe lighting!
I do sometimes, that`s not an `admission` though, sometimes I just can`t be arsed to delete the odd oneliners I get if I`m up at a certain time of night in order to make room in my in box for proper conversations.
Venusxxx
Ah well um Will, about that whole `robbing alcohol from an offy` thing on Mars` results, you realise we are not talking `liquer store holdup` here don`t you?! Just `stupid teenage `I`ll nab that whilst his back is turned` sorta thing.......but that has to count, else his score will be lower than mine and I can`t have that!
Oh and on mine, the `killing animals` was me fishing as a kid with my dad, and putting something out of its misery once. I don`t make a habit of slaughtering animals now! Oh, and the `beating up thing?! I was a teen and it was self-defense! :uhoh:
Venusxxx
Oh and on mine, the `killing animals` was me fishing as a kid with my dad, and putting something out of its misery once. I don`t make a habit of slaughtering animals now! Oh, and the `beating up thing?! I was a teen and it was self-defense! :uhoh:
Venusxxx
Quote by neilinleeds
as for your West Sussex thing? :doubleswoon: ((( you know who you are! ;) )))
:inlove:
n x x x x ;)
You`ll have to do better than that! I wouldn`t go on MSN with you now if you PAID me! *sniff*
/flounces
/flounces back in
And that`s another thing! I don`t have an accent! Everyone else does. I speak proper English!
Oh, and I had sex last night! Lots of it. So there!
/flounces back out
Venusxxx
Mars-
48! Match made in heaven! :mrgreen:
Venusxxx
Quote by MrFC
Directions: Ask yourself the following questions.
For every 'Yes' give yourself 2 points then add up your points at the end to find out How Bad Are You Really?
It's that easy.....
Questions: Have You Ever...?
1 Been so drunk you didnt remember anything at all the next day? yes
2 Been so drunk you had to go to hospital? yes
3 Had a one night stand? yes
4 Had a threesome? yes
5 Robbed alcohol from an off licence? yes
6 Lied and blamed a mate to get yourself out of trouble? yes
7 Had sex with more than one person in a week? yes
8 Had sex with more than one person in a day? yes
9Pulled your mates boyfriend/girlfriend and never told them? no
10Snorted cocaine? yes
11 Dealt drugs for money? no
12Given oral sex in a public place? yes
13Received oral sex in a public place? yes
14Screwed someone so minging they dont deserve to be called a person? no
15Screwed someone over five years older than you? yes
16 Cheated on someone with their friend? no
17 Had sex with someone while there were other people in the sameroom? yes
18 Beaten someone up? yes
19 Paid someone to beat someone else up? no
20 Played pull a pig? no
21 Tried it on with a minger for money? no
22 Got high/drunk in school? yes
23 Given or recieved full/oral sex in school? no
24 Got naked playing strip polka? no
25Snogged (with tongues) more than 5 people of the same sex? no
26Got it on wiv someone from your work(past or present)? no
27Snogged a family member like ur cousin (incestual but it happens)? no
26 Had full sex in the toilets of a pub or club? no
29Been skinny dipping? yes
30Been to a strip club? no
31 Been to a strip club and paid for a dance? no
32Been to royales? (ha u gotta be bad) no
33Had gay/lesbian fantasies about someone famous? no
34Been asked/ or asked someone to marry you? yes
35Stolen money from someone too drunk to remember you taking it? no
36Had sex on the beach? no
37 Dated someone because you heard they had a bit of money? no
38 Had sex with someone on the day that u met them? yes
39 Been called a slag? no
40 Called your mum a bitch? yes
41 Been videoed having sex? no
42 Got off on watching porn? yes
43 Had a shag in your parents bed? no
44 Given oral sex in a moving car? no
45 Killed an animal? yes
46 Told someone that you love that you hate them? yes
47 Snogged someone mistaking them for someone else? (when ur drunk) no
48 Had a fight with a best mate over someone of the opposite sex? yes
49 Snogged one of your bestmates brothers or sisters or both? yes
The highest possible score is 100!!! at the end it's that easy...
The highest possible score is 100!!! at the end. It's that easy.....
48! Match made in heaven! :mrgreen:
Venusxxx
Quote by neilinleeds
you know what? i was gonna try and add up my scores, even though i know full well i won't like the answer cos i am in fact an innocent angel type person, when i stumbled onto this . . . . .
27Snogged a family member like ur cousin (incestual but it happens)?
that's bad ain't it? so how bad is it if you . . . . . .sod it i don't wanna know the answer to that one! :scared:
in my defence she was a very nice cousin, and we we're only 14 or so? full of hormones and a tad limited, so a . . . . . seemed perfectly ok at the time?
shite that makes it even worse don't it?
bollox!!!!
n x x x x ;)
Just making sure noone else misses that like I nearly did! :twisted:
Venusxxx
Quote by MrFC
Directions: Ask yourself the following questions.
For every 'Yes' give yourself 2 points then add up your points at the end to find out How Bad Are You Really?
It's that easy.....
Questions: Have You Ever...?
1 Been so drunk you didnt remember anything at all the next day? Yes
2 Been so drunk you had to go to hospital? no
3 Had a one night stand? yes
4 Had a threesome? yes
5 Robbed alcohol from an off licence? no
6 Lied and blamed a mate to get yourself out of trouble? no
7 Had sex with more than one person in a week? yes
8 Had sex with more than one person in a day? yes
9Pulled your mates boyfriend/girlfriend and never told them? yes
10Snorted cocaine? no
11 Dealt drugs for money? no
12Given oral sex in a public place?yes
13Received oral sex in a public place? yes
14Screwed someone so minging they dont deserve to be called a person? no
15Screwed someone over five years older than you? yes
16 Cheated on someone with their friend? yes
17 Had sex with someone while there were other people in the sameroom? yes
18 Beaten someone up? yes
19 Paid someone to beat someone else up? no
20 Played pull a pig? no
21 Tried it on with a minger for money? no
22 Got high/drunk in school? no
23 Given or recieved full/oral sex in school? no
24 Got naked playing strip polka? yes
25Snogged (with tongues) more than 5 people of the same sex? yes
26Got it on wiv someone from your work(past or present)? no
27Snogged a family member like ur cousin (incestual but it happens)? no
26 Had full sex in the toilets of a pub or club? no
29Been skinny dipping? no
30Been to a strip club? no
31 Been to a strip club and paid for a dance? no
32Been to royales? (ha u gotta be bad) no
33Had gay/lesbian fantasies about someone famous? yes
34Been asked/ or asked someone to marry you? yes
35Stolen money from someone too drunk to remember you taking it? no
36Had sex on the beach? no
37 Dated someone because you heard they had a bit of money? no
38 Had sex with someone on the day that u met them? yes
39 Been called a slag? yes
40 Called your mum a bitch? yes
41 Been videoed having sex? no
42 Got off on watching porn? yes
43 Had a shag in your parents bed? yes
44 Given oral sex in a moving car? no
45 Killed an animal? yes
46 Told someone that you love that you hate them? yes
47 Snogged someone mistaking them for someone else? (when ur drunk) no
48 Had a fight with a best mate over someone of the opposite sex? no
49 Snogged one of your bestmates brothers or sisters or both? yes
The highest possible score is 100!!! at the end it's that easy...
The highest possible score is 100!!! at the end. It's that easy.....
48
:disclaimer: I was very young!
Venusxxx
Actually, I did have a friend who had a reputation of being something of a bucket crutch. The reputation arose because some of her less discreet ex-partners complained of a lack of sensation publically, but independantly of each other. One of them said he was `a little taken aback` when he fell in there. I mean, when he penetrated.....
Venusxxx
Venusxxx
Quote by steveg_nw
You'll have to give me your definition of "copping a feel". If you were wearing a VERY high split skirt then a stroke of the thigh certainly isn't beyond the bounds of probability whilst I had a quick peck hello. ;)
Maybe we're talking about two different things.
Steve
It was the (fairly high :mrgreen
stroke of the thigh, nothing more sinister! Didn`t mean to come across as though you had come up and grabbed a tit Steve, sorry 
It probably felt more exciting/nerve-wracking to me because I wasn`t wearing any knickers at the time and wasn`t sure how high you`d go!
And no, Steve didn`t find out I was knickerless that night!
Venusxxx
