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12 Feb 2005

Quote by steve-shireen
Thats how I feel more and more these days Venus......
I'm not sure why......It may be that because SH has such a liberal attitude and as such more and more guys are expressing their sexuality ......I really dont know .....
It is just how I feel ..... :cry:

(yes I blew my shag tonight thank you people! evil

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It may just be because straight regular posters seem to be in the minority. Not an easy place to be. Not sure really.

Quote by steveg_nw
We seem to be digressing.........as open minded as we all might be the purpose of a munch is to provide a neutral environment so that everyone can relax and mingle. It's not a platform for us all to test each others sensibilities.
Steve

Didn`t stop you from copping a feel at my first and second munches though did it Steve?! rotflmao

(anytime hun wink

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12 Feb 2005

Oh Judy, sorry pet. I promise I will read your post carefully in the morning. I daren`t reveiw it tonight, else Mars may divorce me! :shock:
kiss

:edit: Crickey! Loads of people posted! I missed loads! :shock:
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12 Feb 2005

Thanks Shireen. I think you put your point across fairly. I suppose it just raises the question of who should be catered for, your sensibilities and those of people like you, or the sensibilities of people who attend these events to have the freedom to behave like many others do, when this rarely available to them in non-munch environments. I`m just reluctant to draw a line between homosexual kissing and heterosexual kissing. It may seem more sexual because we are not exposed to it as much, but reacting to it as such just sits uncomfortably with me. I hope I was able to put that across without it seeming I wasn`t respecting your feeling on this. It`s a difference of opinion, but you are still entitled to yours as far as I`m concerned. smile

I suppose for the sake of discussion, I could turn our examples around. How would you view my requesting that perhaps Judy (sorry hun ;)) might consider my sensibilities before turning up in dress at a munch? Obviously I am not as bothered by this as you are by seeing two men kiss, but for arguments sake, let`s suppose I am. It could be argued that the two are akin to comparing apples to oranges, but if you consider that kissing at munches is not always sexual, and just a form of an expression of freedom, then perhaps the two could be compared?
I think you raise a good point about munches being purely a vanilla environment. It`s often occurred to me that what actually occurs at Munches is very different to the forum description offered to newbies. The description does not describe the kissing which goes on in abundance, nor the fact that many of us will turn up dressed a little risque, and I do know of a non-swinger who is reluctant to bring his wife to one of these events as a result. I`d prefer the description to be updated rather than have everyone tone down a little, because I think for the vast majority a good balance is maintained for the most part (ie, people not giving floor shows, or turning up naked! etc). The current balance seems to me and many others to be a good one for like-minded adults to let their hair down in a way they could not normally, without going too far.
I certainly hope that straight guys are not beginning to feel like outcasts, because if they are, I think members at SH should be looking at making them feel as welcome as any other sexuality. sad

Sorry Shireen, I`m not centering you out personally, you have just raised some good points and have sparked my interest. I`m off on one again! Sarge will kill you! rotflmao

as will Mars, I`m supposed to be shagging tonight and I think he just gave up and went to sleep :shock: , so I`ll leave it at that for tonight!
Nite hun kiss

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12 Feb 2005

Quote by Jags
It's OK this time. Next time you will pay the penalty for disclosing secret stuff to non-secret people. And you know what happens then!! :shock: :shock:

No! :shock: Not THAT! Anything but THAT :shock: :shock: :shock:
I`ll be good Jags, I promise! :scared:
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12 Feb 2005

Sorry Jags, of course. Sometimes I ask the silliest questions! Where`s my head at! :doh:
Glad I didn`t give the game away. surprised

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12 Feb 2005

Oooooooh, you all hate me don`t you?! evil

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11 Feb 2005

Bitch :huh:
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11 Feb 2005

OMG Jags, he doesn`t know what a seeach is! Does this mean he can`t join our secret society? wink

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11 Feb 2005

Hahahaha! You won`tget me you bugger! I have no sound on this PC!
/skips off knowing she is one of the few who wont have some irritating jingle running through her head for hours on end! :smug:
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11 Feb 2005

Quote by rogerthedragon
I would be very interested to hear why you would find the idea of two men kissing offensive.
Roger.

Hi Roger, I know this was directed at Shireen, but I just wanted to add my own example just to help to highlight that I am not being judgemental about her own particular turn-off.
I used to find the idea of men dressing in womens clothing quite difficult to be comfortable around, even down to just wearing the undies, which is fairly common. It just looked odd, and for some reason unnerving to me. I would however defend any man`s right to be able to do this.
Funny enough since I have been on the site and have been exposed to it more often, I think men in womens underwear is beginning to rub off on me. The Silkies site has had a lot to do with that :twisted: , but I still find myself blinking when I see a tranny in full dress. As many people know, one of my very good friends lived a long time as a tranny, and I was freely able to tell him that seeing him in full dress just reminded me of Norman Bates! He took no offense, because he knew that this was simply an involuntary reaction on my part which stopped there. I would never have expected him to stop expressing himself because of that.
Internally I`m much more relaxed around it now, and I hope that one day I will be able to attend munches without a Tranny being more obvious to me than anyone else in the room, but until then, I won`t beat myself up about it because I believe my moral attitude toward such lifestyles is spot on, and that`s what counts.
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11 Feb 2005

Hi Shireen. Whilst I wouldn`t criticise you for your personal feeling upon this, am sure you are not homophobic, and I do respect your honesty, I personally love the free and easy atmosphere of munches which allows same sex couples the freedom to snog just like any other (assuming bar staff do not get involved that is!). I suppose what I am trying to ask, without wanting to seem that I am flaming, is although you have pointed out that perhaps two guys might like to take into consideration your sensibilities before snogging at a munch, could you not by the same token consider theirs and look the other way? It just seems a shame for people to have to think about curbing their own liberalism at an event such as a munch, which is defined as a meeting for liberal-minded adults. I suppose bar staff will always be a risk, but I`m not convinced people should have to worry about SH members as well. It seems a shame that it disturbs you to the point that you guys would consider not attending, but if it does, then I suppose that is something you just need to consider before choosing to go.
Put another way..
It`ll be a cold day in hell before I stop snogging the girls at munches! The freedom to do this is one of the reasons I love going! This freedom should be available to all who go I feel. smile

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11 Feb 2005

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11 Feb 2005

Neil has a son?! :shock:
Welcome mate, hope you like what you find here :welcome:
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11 Feb 2005

Quote by foxylady 123
Exactly my point!!

I know, just pointing out it applies to either approach.

Agreed, but she should try to keep one step ahead of them

Not handing them more rope would be a good start in not becoming `one step behind them`

I think only Alex can decide if any course of action is worth the rik, we arent there 24 hours a day. I do think she should try to be pro active rather than re active.

Of course it has to be Alex` decision, she did put it up for discussion however.
There are a good many pro-active ideas here, many of which do not include violence.

You clearly had a better nights sleep than i did

You are kidding right?! Jas kept me up on the phone til am! rotflmao

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11 Feb 2005

Sorry. I did a search for you, and this topic was the only one which came up! :giggle:
If there are, they don`t seem to want to admit it!
:edit: Nothing in the Ad section either, sorry.
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11 Feb 2005

Sorry, back to the topic at hand.

Quote by shieldsman1
Hi everyone im at work in dunstable and Well i was just wondering after thinking rather fantasising if bored frustrated housewives really exsist.

Not that I`ve seen, but it`ll be interesting to see if any come forward. I`m sure there may be some. smile

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11 Feb 2005

Oh Marmalaid. Can you work up to posting more pervy pictures on this thread whilst you are here? :bounce:
I think you should be known as the Official SH Flasher` and as such it should be a rule that you flash your bits on every damn thread you post on! :twisted:
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11 Feb 2005

I had to turn down a job as a leaflet and advertising coordinator for a large company because I didn`t know how to use Adobe. redface

Most important sounding job I`d ever been offered! Gutted evil

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11 Feb 2005

My weekend falls under the catagory of `something to do`?! :shock: :shock: :shock: lol

Yeah, I`d much rather be what the others are up to as well Keith!
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11 Feb 2005

Not a great deal Keith, bellow at the kids to tidy thier rooms, blitz the kitchen, read a book, drive everyone nuts on here......
You know, same ol, same ol! :mrgreen:
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11 Feb 2005

Oh I`m sure you can do better than a `bored and frustrated housewife`. Stick around here for a while and you might meet some fun and sexually liberated women instead. In fact, I`d say that`s more likely. :mrgreen:
Welcome to the site! :welcome:
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11 Feb 2005

Quote by foxylady 123
It is all very well condeming people for thinking and using physical violence, but we do unfortunately live in the real world. Violence is of course deplorable, but when dealing with people of a certain mentality, it may be the only course open, though one would hope the shotgun would not be necessary.

Unfortunately the real world dictates that the `good guys` don`t always win.

These situations are very volatile as it sounds are the perpatrators of the nusience. Are people suggesting that Alex does nothing and waits untill her or one of hers are physically attacked, remeber the other side are likely to see her as an easy target as she is a lone female.

Unfortunately in the real world there are not always easy answers to give. Suggesting Alex doesn`t take a possible route which could make matters worse, is not the same as supporting that she sit back and do nothing. The latter is not an ideal solution, but the former is not either.

In my opinion , violence perpetuates more violence, so in a situation that is heading that way it is best to get the boot in first, especially if you have the smaller feet!! It is a difficult situation to be in and very difficult to understand unless you have actually been there!!

When violence perpetuates violence, Alex could very well leave herself wide open to a backlash of violence which as a female on her own with children she could quite possibly find herself incapable of coping with, they know this, which is probably one of the reasons they are centering her out. On top of which, if she had any part of being the person who threw the first punch, then not only would she have the possible backlash to cope with, but the backlash of the law also. Dealing with a problem by making it worse and adding another is not going to help. Sometimes this approach IS effective, but in many many cases it opens up a huge can of worms. Too many cases for it to be worth the risk IMO.

Just editing my post to suggest an alternative way. Maybe it would be enough for the "right" type of person to be seen around Alexs home, with out them actually needing to do anything more than be there and give the neigibours, "the look"?
Pehaps a gang of leather clad, bikers?? Hagrid, where are you ?

I think this is a very good and positive idea, they need to know that Alex is not as alone and vunerable as they have supposed (just make sure they are capable of maintaining a distance Alex, for there is nothing worse than an outraged protector diving in and throwing threats around on your behalf, no matter how honorable their intention rolleyes

). I`d also advocate following up on any legal avenues possible. They may not be all that effective (which varies from council to council), but sometimes simply the knowledge that the eye of the law is upon them is enough to make them think twice before using violence. I disagree with the mentality that `all chavs are the same`, we are talking about individuals who *can* be a problem in varying degrees. Their courage in coming up against the law varies from person to person.
Sorry Foxy, I`m in discursive mode! :P
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11 Feb 2005

Sounds like you need to come hang out with us one evening Eager. Door`s always open.
Just please come round with clothes on if it`s in the daytime :shock: wink

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11 Feb 2005

Given enough jiggling, I suspect so! lol

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11 Feb 2005

I do!
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/22653.html
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11 Feb 2005

Quote by bikerdave
I find a shot gun or a rifle is the best deterant

i agree with him but make sure it is loaded.
I find using words containing more than one syllable can work wonders when dealing with neighbours who can`t think beyond the Neanderthal mentality of `if it doesn`t agree with me the hit it, then I will have respect`. It worries them.
Fear and respect are not the same things. It saddens and angers me when I see people who think it is. They are deluded.
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11 Feb 2005

Bounce the invitation off of them in a thread smile

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11 Feb 2005

No fucking way on this earth or the next would I consider using something with blades as a vibrator! :scared:
:shock:
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11 Feb 2005

The `traditional` God does it all the time! Why not me?! dunno

Seems logical enough to me! :mrgreen:
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11 Feb 2005

So you are going to come play in the cafe then? Men who post in `Let`s Meet Up` assuming that just because women do not flock to their threads means that there are none out there are a dime a dozen (which is why we don`t flock to their threads *yawn*) . Men who like to be friendly on subjects beyond just meeting up, so we can get an idea of the person are as rare as, well, men who like to be friendly on subjects beyond just meeting up! They get noticed for all the right reasons. smile

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