I took to banging my head in the kitchen when things weren`t right :shock:
Venusxxx
Yup, Mars and I caught colds too.......so the question is, who was the bloody assassin snogging everyone at the munch?!!!
*taps foot*
Venusxxx
I`m dithering about on pay as you go net, not knowing where the hell to start with the backlogged threads from two forums! :shock:
Venusxxx
Neil you bugger, Sarge you sod.............
Busty............can I abondon you some more?! :twisted: :bounce:
Venusxxx
We`ll try.
In the meantime, if anyone knows of a Broadband ISP who accepts direct debit, could they let us know..............like now!
No harm in trying to sign up for one whilst we are here!
Venusxxx
Long story, but as I`m sat in a LAN cafe, I won`t get into it here.
Suffice to say, due to a payment plan with BT, no changes to our line can be made until we pay the bill, so we wont be able to set up a new net account. This will take us some weeks to sort out.
Those of you who have my number, please keep in touch.
Those of you who don`t.
Don`t forget us!
We`ll see many of you at the Notts munch, looking forward to it more than ever now!
Least the housework might get done now eh?!
Take care,
Venus (and Mars)
Crosspatch, I think perhaps our perceptions of what defines choice differ. If this is the case, then I think we will have to agree to disagree, for I believe most of what I (and others) have already posted already confronts your question.
That said, I have to say that I, for one, prefer my definition, and think it`s a valuable perception for those who have been in abusive relationships to consider taking on. Recovering survivors already have a great deal of soulsearching to do, and thier self-esteem has in many cases taken a severe battering. If they are not to repeat the same pattern, or at least are to make better progress undoing the damage these relationships have left them with, they need to be able to rid themselves from any blame for the situation they found themselves in. Recognise that they did not help thier situation given the awareness they had at the time, yes, but not feel `responsible` for not having the correct perception of the choices `available` to them, if, in fact, they ever were (as Neil points out). That is only likely to damage any progress they have made in thier recovery. Guilt is not a valuable lesson to take away from such a situation, recognition for thier strength to eventually move on is.
Reading theories from others who feel they had access to `conscious` choices could easily enforce this self-doubt. I`m sure some of the reactions you have encountered here are from people who have managed to free themselves of this, and who know how difficult this can be, without the addition of someone else echoing the sentiment of `why didn`t I leave before, or prevent it from happening in the first place?!` Many people who have lived the reality will hate to think this message is being reinforced for someone else who needs to recover and may be reading that.
Although it may seem that I am accusing you of kicking a person when they are down, I feel for the most part that this thread has offered more positives than negatives, and I commend you for starting it. I also commend you for trying to reach a better understanding of what to many others seems to be a incomprehensible decision on the part of some victims.
I hope this thread has provided you with a better understanding, because that is valuable also.
Venusxxx
Hi the Mr Debbiewebs. Yup, I was all female last time I checked, and can relate to how you feel, or at least Mars can! You may feel like you are being`left behind`, but you will be able to make up for this via the Munches, and I guaruntee you that Debbie won`t run off without you! Posting here is fun, but the real nitty gritty involves the BOTH of you, when you are BOTH ready!
Venusxxx
((((((((Helen))))))) Same boat here too. We haven`t had to cancel, but we have had to turn down too many invitations :cry:
Maybe things will settle down for us at the same time, then we can team up and make one hell of a comeback!
:twisted:
Venusxxx
. I soooo need to get back online for job research 
hwoar: :inlove: 
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