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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Of course it never occurred to me it's the bloody foreigners.....how shortsighted of me

yes staggers, its the bloody johnny foriegners faults. could you do me a favour staggers ? if, when i want to post, i send a draft to you first, you check the grammar and punctuation, send it back to me and then i will post it. sorry to bother you with this but i need to satisfy a criticism for criticisms sake egotistical marxist charletan. thanks mate.
this teacher incompetencephobia is being deliberately created by the state as a prelude to wholesale closures of schools, colleges and universities to isolate the teaching profession from the support of the rest of society. the demonisation of the teaching unions and teachers professional bodies will follow apace alongside wage cuts and sackings.
there are various levels of competence and ability in every trade and profession. always has been and always will be, from driving instructors to economics professors and by god did'nt the latter get it so wrong.
this issue arising at this time is no coincidence. does anyone really believe that the establishment really give's a shit how well the vast majority of our children are educated ?
while everyone looks to blame each other for their woes, look to the side, the slight of hand, the man behind the curtain. dont get sucked in to the debate, its a diversion.
Quote by Max777
dave_notts
cuts in government spending along with an increase in taxation reduces the amount of money in circulation.
banks and other lenders restricting lending while the public pays more tax and services existing loans (interest) reduces the amount of money in circulation.
the aggregate of the above means that as a generalisation but not necessarily in your specific circumstances, you will have less and less at the end of the month until you dont have enough.
this immediate period that we are all facing, will be one of deflation unless, which looks more unlikely by the day, the governments embark on some new stimlus (q.e.)like money printing, inflationary, but this time ensuring that it does'nt go to bank shareholders and big bonuses, but into cash in circulation via infrastucture projects.
this would only temporarily postpone a depression that would be created by hyperinflation.
so i say again. repudiate the debt. it was created by fraud, a ponzi scheme of collaterised debt obligations, credit default swaps, securitised investment vehicles and all manner of fictional crap that has absolutely no value and the baks and politicians know it.

I take it you would be in favour of this then?
its in the right direction and ceertainly means people are becoming more aware of the source of the crisis.
dave_notts
cuts in government spending along with an increase in taxation reduces the amount of money in circulation.
banks and other lenders restricting lending while the public pays more tax and services existing loans (interest) reduces the amount of money in circulation.
the aggregate of the above means that as a generalisation but not necessarily in your specific circumstances, you will have less and less at the end of the month until you dont have enough.
this immediate period that we are all facing, will be one of deflation unless, which looks more unlikely by the day, the governments embark on some new stimlus (q.e.)like money printing, inflationary, but this time ensuring that it does'nt go to bank shareholders and big bonuses, but into cash in circulation via infrastucture projects.
this would only temporarily postpone a depression that would be created by hyperinflation.
so i say again. repudiate the debt. it was created by fraud, a ponzi scheme of collaterised debt obligations, credit default swaps, securitised investment vehicles and all manner of fictional crap that has absolutely no value and the baks and politicians know it.
Quote by Dave__Notts

My grasp of economics is very basic at the most.
Are you saying we should just refuse to pay the debt?
Would other countries just seize our assets abroad to pay for it?
Dave_Notts
what other countries ? what countries do we owe to ? what assets abroad "our" do "we" own ? thats us the taxpayer that is being forced to pay the debt to ? must be the same countries that every other country owes it to.
Thank you for answering a question with a question. If you wish someone on a thread to understand what you are going on about then sometimes you should try and answer the questions that your writings have posed.
The best way would have been:
I am saying yes/no (delete as necessary) because................
Other countries would/would not (delete as necessary) seize our assets because.............
So unless you can show me what you mean how would I ever be able to read your future posts instead of just skipping over them as you fail to give an explanation. Not everyone has an understanding of economics or global business. My understanding of economics is making sure there is enough money at the end of the month.
Dave_Nottso.k. yes refuse to pay the debt and no they would not seize our assets where ever they are ? sooner rather than later sovereign governments are going to default on debt and that will accelerate the contagion from bank to bank and country to country. why slit our own throats in the meatime trying to pay an impossible price.
why try to pay it ? we did'nt create the debt. it was transfered to the taxpayer from the banks via their puppets in westminster, who, by the way are doing very nicely thank you very much, vince cable et all.
Quote by Dave__Notts

snip

snipportugal, ireland, italy, greece, spain (piigs) and blighty have absolutely no possibility of repaying the fictitous debt that has been imposed upon us by a gigantic international fraud. no amount of austerity imposed upon us can possibly satisfy the greed and control required by the city of london and wall street in servicing their ponzi (financial instruments) scheme.
the amount of credit created, at fractional reserve in some instances of up to 40 to 1 has created a mountain of debt quantified by some analysts quoted in the washington post and wall street journal to be as much as 600 dollars. ten times greater than gdp planet earth.
it is irresolvable this side of deflation many time greater than that of the 1930's and outright asset value destruction mant times greater than that of world war 11.
the only way forward for the continuety of mankind is the total repudiation of debt. it was created by fraud. banks lent money (credit) the did not have, have not got and can never get back, but they and their puppets will kill us all trying to.please, i beg people who can think, wake up.
and do what ??? dunnonuturing an understanding of the processes taking place is the biggest step towards "and do what ???"
those who misguidedly think the solutions lie with cutting benefits and most public spending in order for the public purse to be able to service a public debt that was transfered to it by private bankers "too big to fails" via government bailouts are sleep walking into the greatest depression in history.
the debt of iceland, ireland, spain, portugal, greece, italy, hungary, latvia and the u.k. as the people of iceland recognised, cannot be repaid. WE NEVER HAD IT SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO PAY IT ? and the knock on is, as those nation states default on their sovereign debt, which they will(the debt taken on by governments and corporations to line their pockets with kick backs and bonuses), so banks who bought their bonds (percieved as assets for balance sheet purposes) knowing full well they could never be repaid, but did'nt care as they were too big to fail and could turn to their respective governments (tax payers) for bailout.
this is a simplification but basically, these international fraudsters have created a pyramid scheme that has collapsed and in order to save themselves (too big to fail), they are going to try to make us (the too small to save) pay to them, a fictitous debt that was created by fraud.
this is not a left, right, red, green, blue or yellow issue because wall street and the city of london own them all. no matter who is selected (word selected chosen carefully) they all do the same.
why do politicians enjoy perks and fiddles and bankers enjoy record bonuses but the rest of us have to experience austerity ? and austerity includes you and me no matter how we think by taking away from some and working harder ourselves can we avoid it.
if you cut spending and benefits in an already fragile economy (media spin) while credit availability is restricted, you will reduce aggregate demand and go headlong into a deflationary spiral and depression. no matter how relatively well off you think you are, this process will bankrupt you.
the solution is the rejection, repudiation, moretorium of the debt, it was created by fraud anyway. let those who made bad bets in the casino's of the city and wall st take the consequences of their fraud and not pass it on to us. the elected politicians have decided to betray us and our well being for their seats on the gravy train and do everything the fat contollers ask of them. recall them and tell them, "reject the debt or we will eject you"
My grasp of economics is very basic at the most.
Are you saying we should just refuse to pay the debt?
Would other countries just seize our assets abroad to pay for it?
Dave_Nottswhat other countries ? what countries do we owe to ? what assets abroad "our" do "we" own ? thats us the taxpayer that is being forced to pay the debt to ? must be the same countries that every other country owes it to.
Quote by Lizaleanrob

snip

snipportugal, ireland, italy, greece, spain (piigs) and blighty have absolutely no possibility of repaying the fictitous debt that has been imposed upon us by a gigantic international fraud. no amount of austerity imposed upon us can possibly satisfy the greed and control required by the city of london and wall street in servicing their ponzi (financial instruments) scheme.
the amount of credit created, at fractional reserve in some instances of up to 40 to 1 has created a mountain of debt quantified by some analysts quoted in the washington post and wall street journal to be as much as 600 dollars. ten times greater than gdp planet earth.
it is irresolvable this side of deflation many time greater than that of the 1930's and outright asset value destruction mant times greater than that of world war 11.
the only way forward for the continuety of mankind is the total repudiation of debt. it was created by fraud. banks lent money (credit) the did not have, have not got and can never get back, but they and their puppets will kill us all trying to.please, i beg people who can think, wake up.
and do what ??? dunnonuturing an understanding of the processes taking place is the biggest step towards "and do what ???"
those who misguidedly think the solutions lie with cutting benefits and most public spending in order for the public purse to be able to service a public debt that was transfered to it by private bankers "too big to fails" via government bailouts are sleep walking into the greatest depression in history.
the debt of iceland, ireland, spain, portugal, greece, italy, hungary, latvia and the u.k. as the people of iceland recognised, cannot be repaid. WE NEVER HAD IT SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO PAY IT ? and the knock on is, as those nation states default on their sovereign debt, which they will(the debt taken on by governments and corporations to line their pockets with kick backs and bonuses), so banks who bought their bonds (percieved as assets for balance sheet purposes) knowing full well they could never be repaid, but did'nt care as they were too big to fail and could turn to their respective governments (tax payers) for bailout.
this is a simplification but basically, these international fraudsters have created a pyramid scheme that has collapsed and in order to save themselves (too big to fail), they are going to try to make us (the too small to save) pay to them, a fictitous debt that was created by fraud.
this is not a left, right, red, green, blue or yellow issue because wall street and the city of london own them all. no matter who is selected (word selected chosen carefully) they all do the same.
why do politicians enjoy perks and fiddles and bankers enjoy record bonuses but the rest of us have to experience austerity ? and austerity includes you and me no matter how we think by taking away from some and working harder ourselves can we avoid it.
if you cut spending and benefits in an already fragile economy (media spin) while credit availability is restricted, you will reduce aggregate demand and go headlong into a deflationary spiral and depression. no matter how relatively well off you think you are, this process will bankrupt you.
the solution is the rejection, repudiation, moretorium of the debt, it was created by fraud anyway. let those who made bad bets in the casino's of the city and wall st take the consequences of their fraud and not pass it on to us. the elected politicians have decided to betray us and our well being for their seats on the gravy train and do everything the fat contollers ask of them. recall them and tell them, "reject the debt or we will eject you"
Quote by JTS

Well perhaps there is some hope. Lots will be laid off and some might start up something new with their severance package - then again most will not!
Plim wink

I remain optipessimistic, and in several minds, about The Recovery :doh:
The financial market is loathe to lend money to buy housing, to the extent that 20% plus is being demanded as a deposit. The extent of this ridiculous attitude is that two people, with a combined income of nearly 35K, cannot get a loan of £110K to purchase a house with a valuation of £150k.
We can safely ignore the recent international scandal of banks purchasing dept with no value and no asset, since they purchased foreign dept to try to sell it and make a killing (instead they (well, we) got killed instead).
Banks in THIS country operating in THIS market lost nothing.
Now they are all gravy-training it.
The economy was grounded by this rampant economic idiocy, and the Recovery will be as well.
The Coalition are all-too-obviously NOT expecting a recovery any time soon and are battening-down the hatches by reducing expenditure as low as is necessary, so that dept can be serviced in a sluggish economy that has little prospect of showing meaningful growth.
VAT should have gone to 25% for consumer goods....nothing can be done for the fuel VAT rate of 5%, although in an ideal world it should have been reduced to zero.
Unfortunately, the pain of recovering from The Crisis is going to be chronic.
Forecast growth of 2.3% is meaningless unless the growth is in a market that generates revenue.
Just my , ireland, italy, greece, spain (piigs) and blighty have absolutely no possibility of repaying the fictitous debt that has been imposed upon us by a gigantic international fraud. no amount of austerity imposed upon us can possibly satisfy the greed and control required by the city of london and wall street in servicing their ponzi (financial instruments) scheme.
the amount of credit created, at fractional reserve in some instances of up to 40 to 1 has created a mountain of debt quantified by some analysts quoted in the washington post and wall street journal to be as much as 600 dollars. ten times greater than gdp planet earth.
it is irresolvable this side of deflation many time greater than that of the 1930's and outright asset value destruction mant times greater than that of world war 11.
the only way forward for the continuety of mankind is the total repudiation of debt. it was created by fraud. banks lent money (credit) the did not have, have not got and can never get back, but they and their puppets will kill us all trying to. please, i beg people who can think, wake up.
i think all benefits should be stopped to everyone. that would make some fuckers wake up and realise what is really going on. close hospitals, schools, meals on wheels, stop housing benefit, unemployment benefit, disabled benefit, black benefit, white benefit, foreigner benefit and pay the banksters bonuses. oh, and increase taxation for those who cant go offshore and fiddle the books. and let those on the gravy train decide who should have and those who should not.
to big to fails and too small too save. ffs, wake the fuck up !
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Does that mean I was right earlier ??
no staggers, not if people wake up soon enuf
an increase in taxation, reduces cash in circulation
a reduction in public spending, reduces cash in circulation
a reduction in lending by banks and financial institutions while interest servicing of previously loaned capital, reduces cash in circulation
THIS PROCESS WILL BRING ABOUT DEFLATION NOT INFLATION !
and that does'nt mean imported goods, energy and foodstuffs will fall in price. their inflationary costs are far more related to the debasement of the currency by quantatative easing, but asset prices will fall. unemployment and bankruptcies will rise and TAX REVENUE will FALL !
there is and was no prospect of a recovery. fragile or otherwise. the public debt was created by the fictitous creation of credit, at interest, lent to governments around the world that cannot ever repay the interest, never mind the principal by international fraudsters who control the international bankster cartel.
by the transfere of their own private debt to public debt (government injecting capital into banks) they have been able to remain solvent and pay themselves obscene bonuses while the muppets, erm, i mean puppets on the gravy train in parliament pass the debt onto us and tell us the future is austerity.
having created a bubble of credit, at interest, causing inflated values of assets that can never be repaid, their only solution is to destroy value by deflation and war.
while we are consumed by debt and are fixated by football, celebrity, x factor, home and away, eastenders, coronation st, friends, best mobile phone, computer games and blaming foreigners and claimants, rome is burning.
if labour had been elected, they would have done exactly the same in that theatre, the palace of westminster.
floride is NOT put in the water supply to improve childrens or any other age groups teeth ffs. research floride
Quote by twos_company
seen on the tv...news....
that they have made a drinking water treatment place in the east end....
now since this place is not far from the sewage farm...n it stinks most times of the yr..
n the new drinking water is going to be pulled from the thames.n only a few yrs ago flood in london put raw sewage into the thames killing fish ect.
think its time to move......
tip. move to where there is no floride in the water.
Quote by kentswingers777
That is why Gulson I mentioned Ross Kemp.
His two sided view of the Palestinian/Israel conflict, was an eye opener.
IF Palestinians stopped firing rockets into Israel would Israel still attack Palestinians?
There is another ship on it's way from Malta and Israel have said they will intercept it.
More confrontation likely it seems.


Worth spending a bit of time watching this fascinating insight.
if palestinians stopped firing missiles into israel, i'm sure israeli special forces would do it for them to justify further genocidal reprisals and annexation of land. being well read kenty, i'm sure you will be aware that israel created hamas as a counter balance to the p.l.o., just as america created al qaeder to fight the russians in afghanistan bananastan.
is'nt it a bit coincidental, that while north and south korea go on a nuclear war footing over the sinking of a south korean warship several weeks ago, hit by a german made torpedo (false flag) israel stations nuclear armed subs in the gulf threatening iran and publicly states it will carry out a pre emptive strike against iran, whilst back home in europe, country after country faces soveriegn debt default and now israel attacks a turkish aid flottila on the high seas killing civilians on a mercy mission ?
big things are afoot kenty, as i warned before. get your thinking cap on (better be a tin hat) cos it's gona get hot and there are dot's to be joined.
Quote by Zem69
Very pleasantly surprprised at replies from members of this website on this subject. reaction seems well thought out and gives both sides equal opportunity. No one has considered the role of Turkey in forcing this confrontation. The Turkish President is determined that his country moves away from secular democracy to Islamist Democracy. Israel is to be his fist test case followed in the future by withdrawal from Nato and entering into alliance with Iran
turkey has not staioned nuclear armed submarines in the arabian gulf (times of london) like israel has, threatening a pre-emptive nuclear attack on iran. turkey is a secular state. the jewish state of israel is not. turkey, whilst it certainly has injustices under its belt, is not carrying out an illegal occupation of a country or an illegal blockade on 1.5 million people in contravention of many united nations resolutions and international law.
turkey has not threatened syria or bombed them, threatened lebanon or bombed them, threatened iran or threatened to bomb them with nuclear weapons.
you are talking absolute nonesense if you think the turkish prime minister is picking a fight with israel or forcing a confrontation with the most powerful, nuclear armed state in the middle east or wishing to break away from nato and join an iranian alliance. "israel to be his first test case" sounds like israeli propaganda and justification bullshit to me.
israel's blockade of gaza after flatening it, killing thousands of civilians, is a genocidal act of war against the 1.5 million inhabitants who were straffed by helicopter gunships, f16's and abrams tanks for 3 weeks from december 2008 to january 2009. gaza does not belong to israel and the peoples of gaza and occupied palestine have a legitimate right to their land, homes and lives and the peoples of the world have a right to support them to mitigate their suffering from the hand of israel.
lets have cuts in welfare, close schools and hospitals, stop housing benefit, cut dole money, increase council tax and personal tax and cut wages and pensions, have austerity all around (except big bonus banksters). that will wake people up to whats really going on. while iceland, greece, spain, italy, ukraine, latvia, hungary, ireland et all burn, lets blame the work shy and immigrants for our woes, not the banksters with their funny money/debt and their political puppets on the gravy train.
lets show the rest of the world, collapsing under the burden of fraudulently created debt that we can rise above protest and blame each other for our over indulgence while we watch football, coronation street, home and away, x factor and dream what it would be like to be a celebrity.
lets go to foreign lands and kill the fussey wussies and steal their resources in the name of democracy and anti-terrorism. give our youth a great future in the armed forces learning how to kill, steal and grow poppies and when they return, abandon them.
all this abuse of the welfare state should'nt be allowed. the workshy should be made to work for their second homes in spain, their brand new cars, sitting down the pub all day drinking and taking drugs. i read that in the papers.
THE PUBLIC DEBT IS A FRAUD. the debt was created out of thin air at interest by a fraudulent INTERNATIONAL banking system that is collapsing and taking everyone in every country down with it and driving towards nuclear conflagration.
how can we solve this crisis ? out of knowledge comes solutions. no solutions come out of ignorance. we need to wake up.
Quote by kentswingers777
snip Yes of course it was in International waters and we should remember that point.
But.....the soldiers were clearly attacked but Israel as usual do not do things by half measures.

It was an act of piracy and the passengers on the ships were acting in self defence/defiance of an illegal attack - it wasn't they who were doing the attacking, but the Israelis
Are you sure that there was nothing on that boat meant for Hamas?
The Israeli intelligence services are normally spot on with things like this.
We in the West can sit here in our cosy chairs and critisise Israel, but as individuals we do not know or possibly understand what living in Israel is like...living in fear of a Hamas terrorist blowing himself and others up.
Remember they are fighting a war...the only difference is Israel do not have their hands tied behind their backs for fear of breaking some convention or another.
As far as I see most times Israel attack Palestine is when they have been attacked first, and we have seen over the years Israel hit back..........hard.
I do not see a particular problem with that, and to understand Israels stance and the history of this region, you will then understand their take on things and the way they act.
This area of the Middle East will forever have problems, and nothing will change that. Israel just have bigger tanks and more troops......Hamas are really nothing more than terrorists and I am suprised that they do not realise that they will never defeat Israel, but they continue to try....to the detriment of the poor people who live in that mate, you need to go to occupied palestine and experience for yourself how the zionist state of israel treats the legitimate population of palestine. even if you are a totally hostile islamaphobe, you would be shocked and return with a completely reversed veiw of the legitimacy of any act's carried out by the terrorist zionist apartide state of israel. judaism does NOT constitute a nation state as catholocism, budism or any other kind of ism does not.
the p.l.o. and hamas whilst predominantly islamic also contain members of christians, JEWS and athiest's.
read your history not media propaganda.
Quote by kentswingers777
Well Gulls contributions make me laugh, and not many have that affect on me.
You keep going Gulls.....you certainly make my day.
well kenty, most british banks hold greek, portugese, spanish, irish and italian government debt (bonds) as well as french and german banks. if any one of these countries default, we will suffer contagion.
as the condems cut government spending, (any other political combination would do the same no matter what bullshit they come out with) in order to service the countries debt and draw down the principle, the situation will deteriorate still further and money in circulation will fall.
we will not suffer a double dip recession as the financial pundits would have us believe. this developing crisis is merely the continuation of the economic collapse. all talk of "coming out of recession" and " on the way out but fragile" by all political spokesmen/women was and is, wishful thinking at best and downright lies at worst.
wether the euro or any other reserve currency collapses first, last or on what date is irrelevent. the amount of credit that had been created in this preceding boom and the interest required to service it, became greater than the total of human activity on the planet and cannot be repaid.
this recession, it would be more accurate to say developing depression, will make 1929 and the depression of the 1930's seem like a walk in the park. "this, the mother of all crisies" not my words but those of paul volker in january 2008.
quantatative easing, (creating credit out of thin air) sometimes refered to as "printing money" and no different to the ever increasing expansion of credit that fueled the boom, was confined to the bank of england buying toxic assets from bank balance sheets, in order to prevent an imminent collapse at that time.
trouble is, the central bank (the bank of england limited) created the credit out of thin air and charged it to h.m.g. AT INTEREST ! this debt spiral is unresolvable. it is designed that way.
Quote by gulsonroad30664
They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
The point I'm making is that you post as if you know all the facts......but you don't even know the simple facts, so why should I believe you know the more complex facts!
There has been over capacity in the airline industry for decades, it's not a new , sorry max, your right, everything is o.k. i have'nt got a clue what i'm talking about generally, because relying on my memory of specifics (minutiae) i get it all wrong and your right. everything is o.k. then. our pensions are safe, our taxes wont rise, the services we get wont diminish, our saleries/wages will rise and generally our quality of life will remain the same or improve wether we are in the airline industry or any other. oh, and our taxes wont rise. and if all this is'nt true, it will be some other phuckers fault.
Why do you have to resort to posting bollox..........I never said I was right, in fact I never offered an opinion, I just questioned whether you i'm telling you, cos i got it all wrong about coconut airways, i must have all the rest wrong. all shirkers should work lomger hours for less money and lazy phuckers who dont work should get phuck all and that will get the country back on its if them fussiewussies think they can beat us by workin 25 hours a day for half a bowl of rice instead of a full one, we should work for even less. that will get the country back on its feet !
Quote by Max777
They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
The point I'm making is that you post as if you know all the facts......but you don't even know the simple facts, so why should I believe you know the more complex facts!
There has been over capacity in the airline industry for decades, it's not a new , sorry max, your right, everything is o.k. i have'nt got a clue what i'm talking about generally, because relying on my memory of specifics (minutiae) i get it all wrong and your right. everything is o.k. then. our pensions are safe, our taxes wont rise, the services we get wont diminish, our saleries/wages will rise and generally our quality of life will remain the same or improve wether we are in the airline industry or any other. oh, and our taxes wont rise. and if all this is'nt true, it will be some other phuckers fault.
Why do you have to resort to posting bollox..........I never said I was right, in fact I never offered an opinion, I just questioned whether you i'm telling you, cos i got it all wrong about coconut airways, i must have all the rest wrong. all shirkers should work lomger hours for less money and lazy phuckers who dont work should get phuck all and that will get the country back on its feet.
Quote by Max777
They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
The point I'm making is that you post as if you know all the facts......but you don't even know the simple facts, so why should I believe you know the more complex facts!
There has been over capacity in the airline industry for decades, it's not a new , sorry max, your right, everything is o.k. i have'nt got a clue what i'm talking about generally, because relying on my memory of specifics (minutiae) i get it all wrong and your right. everything is o.k. then. our pensions are safe, our taxes wont rise, the services we get wont diminish, our saleries/wages will rise and generally our quality of life will remain the same or improve wether we are in the airline industry or any other. oh, and our taxes wont rise. and if all this is'nt true, it will be some other phuckers fault.
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They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
The point I'm making is that you post as if you know all the facts......but you don't even know the simple facts, so why should I believe you know the more complex facts!
There has been over capacity in the airline industry for decades, it's not a new correct max. airline passenger miles, airplanes in service. holidays etc were increasing year on year untill january last year. people were even leveraging there homes to buy properties abroad and travelling weekends to sit in the sun until the credit collapse and b.a. and airlines in general's bussiness is down 40% on 2008 ! come on. you aint daft.
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total load of crap. absolutely no concept or understanding of the global financial system of debt/credit or banking just media shite.

So please enlighten us Gulson. How are you preparing for the oncoming apocalypse?
same way as you max, keeping debt free, larder full, tank full and my wits about me. being aware.
If the global financial system implodes, a full larder and a full tank won't be much use......and maybe you should be racking up as much debt as possible, after all there won't be anyone there to collect it!i am now more sure that you are fully aware of the situation. thanx for your contribution.
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total load of crap. absolutely no concept or understanding of the global financial system of debt/credit or banking just media shite.

So please enlighten us Gulson. How are you preparing for the oncoming apocalypse?
same way as you max, keeping debt free, larder full, tank full and my wits about me. being aware.
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They have also paid huge sums to the government for the privilege of running the franchises..ask GNER and East Cost
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
United merged with Continental. BA have tried several times to merge with American but the regulators and other airlines, such as Virgin have repeatedly blocked it due to the potential monopoly of slots at Heathrow and transatlantic flights. KLM and Air France merged quite some time ago...Alitalia is small beer in comparison and has already gone through its own restructuring.
max, totally irrelevent to the points that i am making. with the greatest respect to you, i dont care if its coconut airways merging with the courtline. too many airlines, too many planes, chasing too few passengers because disposable incomes for flighs/holidays are falling, not remaining static or rising, FALLING and that is because of a fall of money in circulation WORLDWIDE. that my fellow traveller is depression !
total load of crap. absolutely no concept or understanding of the global financial system of debt/credit or banking just media shite.
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not sure about the provenance of this one but.....
Another one from a dubious source.....
Draw your own conclusions
I'd say it doesn't matter who's fleecing the state, what they're doing is wrong and perhaps those that take most should be made an example of first.....it might even discourage some of the little fish

I have learnt, by advise from experts here, not to trust anything from the supporters of the Blackshirts :giggle:
I don't think subsidies are yet a crime, some thing I seam to remember, from recent threads, the coal mines were receiving before their closures
I do however understand your point of view, just don't think feel I wholly agreestaggers, the privatised rail operators recieve more in tax payer subsidies, in real terms, than british rail ever did.
going back to the b.a. unite dispute, all airlines and all other commercial activity, worldwide will continue to have to reduce costs, and the largest single cost is generally, in most bussinesses, labour costs. they will be driven to do this because of the general global economic breakdown. this brings about a conflict of interests between the employer and the employed, the user and the used. this dynamic that leads to an iresovable conumdrum cannot solve the problem.
wether it is at a micro or macro level. bussiness and employees or governments and soveriegn debt, b.a. employees trying to retain their jobs and living standards, b.a. trying to break even or make a profit (return for shareholders) or iceland, spain, thailand, italy, ireland or greece governments eliminating services and cutting public workers saleries, pensions and conditions in order to service debt and the workers resisting with strikes and demonstrations will not solve the problem.
workers turning the other cheek and accepting cuts in wages and saleries, companies cutting costs and slimming their workforces increases deflationary pressures and decreases general demand. it is not a solution, merely one of the ingredients to inevitable total collapse.
so, b.a. have lost half a billion in their last financial year operating the airline, from a total turnover of what ? american and united airlines have merged and will cut their fleets and duplicating activity and slim down the bussiness and become more efficient (cut costs). air france and italia will do the same. umpteen others will go the same route and b.a.'s o'leary will be back, in order to compete, with another rescue plan that will be aimed at cutting costs still further (wages, conditions and jobs).
along the way, the media will be choking themselves with talk of angry mob's (workers) and reasonable employers, good governments and reasonable politicians and ugly silly violent protesters who have to accept austerity for their over indulgence (highly paid trolly dollies ?).
this dispute is but a tiny embrio of the developing global breakdown crisis of the financial system during which the "too big to fails" will make the "too small to save" suffer.
regardless of the propaganda rammed down our throats of coming out of recession, fragile and all that bullshit, we are already in a depression and it can only get worse.
we are treated to "houses selling and an increase in house prices" bullshit. employers more confident. bullshit. global economy picking up. bullshit. china will pull us out of it, bullshit by the corporate city owned media.
only the creation of credit by soveriegn goverments out of private hands can change this situation and that aint gonna be the condems, new labour, or any other self interested bought and paid for, on the gravy train politicians in westminster, capitol hill or brussels.
keep your wits about you and watch the blame being heaped on joe soap, johnny foriegner, lefty, blackie, lazy phuckers, muslims et all while banksters pay themselves unimaginable bonuses and austerity is served to us all. oh, and i forgot, on con spiracy theorists.
The mines were nationalised -we owned them-and recieving no subsidies Virgin rail and all thr other train companies are non nationalised stock market quoted companies and such a company should stand or fall on it's commercial decisions not the level of subsidy it can screw out of the government by pleading poverty
in the public domain and well documented.
jean charles was a contract electrician, brazilian working in london.
the day after his murder, the metropolitan police public statement said a terrorist suspect had been followed, on a hot day, wearing a big jacket with wires hanging out of it and chased down a subway jumping over barriers and when cornered was shot in the belief he was going to set off a bomb as i recall.
at the public hearing, it was found that he did not have a big jacket on, that he did not jump barriers, that he was restrained by one officer on the tube and another fired 6 bullets into him and eye witnesses said he did not resist.
i, and his family call that murder not procedural error and i still cant see a connection with a new world order. i thought new world order was gordon brown's favourite saying.