With the on going horrors that keep coming out about Peter Tobin and his vile acts of murder, the topic of capital punishment (or the death penalty in its more brutal name) keeps arising.
Clearly as the UK stands with its what i class as far to soft criminal punishment system the death penalty will never come back (its all about human rights!!)It is however clear that in many cases getting sent to prison to live a life of luxury on the tax payers money is just easy time and an insult to victims and their famillies alike.
So what i am asking is what other alternatives could be brought into the picture that may act as more of a detterent and be seen as proper punishment for either taking a life or or any other of the more vile acts.
My idea would be to have american style HARD labour on large secure farms where food and crops could be grown to feed the UK thus giving us more food resources in these times of dwindling home grown supplies, all the old inner city industrial sites that are just sat empty could i am sure be put to this sort of use and changed into growing areas, cleaning up areas in poor state and providing a nation with supplies, and making the prisoner have to work 12 hour days 6 days a week and giving something back to the country is surely better punishment than sitting in a cell playing x box or watching dvd`s????
Your thoughts please.....................................
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Quote by GnV
Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind.
Perhaps what is just as galling is the the other long-haul carriers upping their prices to take advantage.
Its just greed, i know 2 "trolly dollys" and they see the world over and over free of charge and tell me the job is and i quote "a doddle" alright they might only get 24 to 48 hours in most countries but its more opportunities than others get and a perk of the job.
I dont find it "galling" that other companies have upped there prices, most people will have purchased tickets before the strike was announced and those that have not were hanging on for a cheap deal and took that risk, people have a choice pay the higher prices or change there plans........... simples.
Confidence does it for me Kaz, i love a partner who knows, what they want, how they want it and where they want it and are not frightened to tell me loudly i am doing it right.
Also there has to be connection, on all levels mentally,physically and also comically as i like a good laugh, life is far too serious.
Also there has to be connection, on all levels mentally,physically and also comically as i like a good laugh, life is far too serious.
It scares me off!!! I am bloody exceptional at snooker and catching grapes in my mouth when thrown from a distance of 20 metres or more (not easy when playing snooker) but when i answer the said ads they do not seem interested, how exceptional does one have to be?
Oh i can also hold my breath and lick deeply for hours.........exceptional????
Oh i can also hold my breath and lick deeply for hours.........exceptional????
It scares me off!!! I am bloody exceptional at snooker and catching grapes in my mouth when thrown from a distance of 20 metres or more (not easy when playing snooker) but when i answer the said ads they do not seem interested, how exceptional does one have to be?
Oh i can also hold my breath and lick deeply for hours.........exceptional????
Oh i can also hold my breath and lick deeply for hours.........exceptional????
Quote by kentswingers777
GNV you live in France and obviously love it, so why do you continually slag off the politicians and government and various other things you dislike about the UK, are things so rosey in France that all the politicians continually get it right, i mean there are never strikes or riots or immigration problems there are they?!?!?
Just wondered and thats why i am asking.
Cassie
Cassie, in true JTS posting fashion:
I am still entitled to vote in UK elections. Am I not therefore entitled to comment about UK Politicians and Government?
The strikes and riots in France are legendary. France is a Republic but its citizens are entitled by law to express themselves unlike the UK where such expressions are suppressed by law. If you don't like riots, keep clear of Paris and other major cities.
Things I like about both the UK and Europe I have the conviction to express - and often do.
Of course, not every politician gets it right and some get it right more than others. But the centre right policies of the UMP affiliated President are more in keeping with my own life aspirations. Maybe that is why I am here rather than continuing to suffer like some many others under a Labour controlled administration just now.
Yes well thats a whole new thread, why the hell should you get a vote when you dont live here anymore, why should you get a say as to what happens in a country you no longer live and i assume no longer pay taxes or contribute anything towards?? Why should what should now be classed as a foreigner to the UK have a say in what happens to the people who still live here??
There are plenty that do that already, and have not done a days work in their lives....and they ARE British!
But Kenty it is actually physically impossible not to pay some sort of tax to the country if you live here even if you are on the dole and claiming benefits you can not avoid paying some back wether it be vat,council tax,road tax etc.
Quote by GnV
Yes well thats a whole new thread, why the hell should you get a vote when you dont live here anymore, why should you get a say as to what happens in a country you no longer live and i assume no longer pay taxes or contribute anything towards?? Why should what should now be classed as a foreigner to the UK have a say in what happens to the people who still live here??
You'll be voting for one of the little England parties then I guess
So do i take it you can not answer that? As for people who live here but not working getting the vote and claiming benefits, these people may not be paying income tax to the government but they will still be contributing money via car tax, vat on purchases of electricity,gas,petrol, they do not contibute absolutely nothing!!
As to who i will be voting for that is between me and the ballot box, but at least i live in the UK and should have a say.
Quote by BrightonGeezer
GNV you live in France and obviously love it, so why do you continually slag off the politicians and government and various other things you dislike about the UK, are things so rosey in France that all the politicians continually get it right, i mean there are never strikes or riots or immigration problems there are they?!?!?
Just wondered and thats why i am asking.
Cassie
Cassie, in true JTS posting fashion:
I am still entitled to vote in UK elections. Am I not therefore entitled to comment about UK Politicians and Government?
The strikes and riots in France are legendary. France is a Republic and its citizens are entitled by law to express themselves unlike the UK where such expressions are suppressed by law. If you don't like riots, keep clear of Paris and other major cities.
Things I like about both the UK and Europe I have the conviction to express - and often do.
Of course, not every politician gets it right and some get it right more than others. But the centre right policies of the UMP affiliated President are more in keeping with my own life aspirations. Maybe that is why I am here rather than continuing to suffer under a Labour controlled administration just now.
I have heard a lot of anti French bullshit over the years, mostly from people who are into Rugby. Personally I quite admire them, because they don't take any shit from anyone. I remember reading a few weeks ago that French lorry drivers were blockading the Spanish boarder. They didn't want the Spaniards undercutting their own farmers on the price of fruit. We are a bloody island in the middle of the North Atlantic, yet we let the propheteers and opportunists import vast amounts of cheap foreign produce while the EU are subsidising British farmers to produce food that is either wasted or added to a ridiculous food mountain.
It is a disgrace, especially when people are starving in the world.
Really i hate Rugby!!!
Quote by GnV
GNV you live in France and obviously love it, so why do you continually slag off the politicians and government and various other things you dislike about the UK, are things so rosey in France that all the politicians continually get it right, i mean there are never strikes or riots or immigration problems there are they?!?!?
Just wondered and thats why i am asking.
Cassie
Cassie, in true JTS posting fashion:
I am still entitled to vote in UK elections. Am I not therefore entitled to comment about UK Politicians and Government?
The strikes and riots in France are legendary. France is a Republic but its citizens are entitled by law to express themselves unlike the UK where such expressions are suppressed by law. If you don't like riots, keep clear of Paris and other major cities.
Things I like about both the UK and Europe I have the conviction to express - and often do.
Of course, not every politician gets it right and some get it right more than others. But the centre right policies of the UMP affiliated President are more in keeping with my own life aspirations. Maybe that is why I am here rather than continuing to suffer like some many others under a Labour controlled administration just now.
Yes well thats a whole new thread, why the hell should you get a vote when you dont live here anymore, why should you get a say as to what happens in a country you no longer live and i assume no longer pay taxes or contribute anything towards?? Why should what should now be classed as a foreigner to the UK have a say in what happens to the people who still live here??
GNV you live in France and obviously love it, so why do you continually slag off the politicians and government and various other things you dislike about the UK, are things so rosey in France that all the politicians continually get it right, i mean there are never strikes or riots or immigration problems there are they?!?!?
Just wondered and thats why i am asking.
Cassie
Just wondered and thats why i am asking.
Cassie
I live with a nurse who tells me that anyone graded higher than "a health care support worker" does obs, and meds and all the stuff that slurpy says "higher grade" nurses do, the nurse i live with did 3 years training which consisted of University work and doing 12 week rotations on all the different wards to see how each worked.
She has been fully qualified now for 4 years and has since done an Honors degree and is now doing her masters and finds herself far more qualified than any other nurse,ward sister and ward manager on her ward but she says herself that the qualifications do not make the nurse good, it is what is inside the person and what they have learnt and taken forward whilst physically doing the job.
Also in the degree courses that nurses do at the moment there are 100`s of different options and subject sections of which you can only take a maximum number of modules are we to assume that there will be a new nursing degree invented that will be called a degree but will be academically light weight?
The thing i find astonishing (which is not part of this thread) is that a nurse has got to pay there own registration each year and every year which i believe is around £100 otherwise they can not work which to me is disgusting and a tax on nurses and also the fact that they have to be a member of 1 of the unions at about £14 per mth i believe?!?!?
She has been fully qualified now for 4 years and has since done an Honors degree and is now doing her masters and finds herself far more qualified than any other nurse,ward sister and ward manager on her ward but she says herself that the qualifications do not make the nurse good, it is what is inside the person and what they have learnt and taken forward whilst physically doing the job.
Also in the degree courses that nurses do at the moment there are 100`s of different options and subject sections of which you can only take a maximum number of modules are we to assume that there will be a new nursing degree invented that will be called a degree but will be academically light weight?
The thing i find astonishing (which is not part of this thread) is that a nurse has got to pay there own registration each year and every year which i believe is around £100 otherwise they can not work which to me is disgusting and a tax on nurses and also the fact that they have to be a member of 1 of the unions at about £14 per mth i believe?!?!?
Quote by SlurpySarah
Sorry incorrect, an ambulance driver is and i quote "a trained paramedic able to administer a high level of first aid and advanced treatment, with regards to physical injury or bodily breakdown often life saving"
The people you are referring to have a different job title to "ambulance driver" i just cant find the exact title at the moment, it is something like "
hospital day care and out patient driver opperative".
As an ex-paramedic I'd just like to clear this one up. A paramedic is trained in medical procedures which include intubation and infusion. A QAT (Qualified Ambulance Technician)is trained in non-invasive treatments such as nebulising - they are also trained extensively in the use of medical equipment such as oxygen therapy, defibs etc, as are both "grades". Both can be part of a front-line emergency ambulance crew, and they usually take it in turns to drive, depending on the medical needs of the patient of course. An ambulance driver is just that. They work for the PTS (patient transport service)part of the whole service. They can also take an extra qualification to be an ECA (emergency care assistant) and work alongside a paramedic or tech. Job titles vary in different health authorites, but the job roles remain constant under Agenda for Change guidelines.
Hope this helps.
Yes it clears up what i was saying they are not just drivers .......... thanks
Clearly not as i quoted from the NHS website, i mix quite alot with bomb disposal technicians this does not however make me a bomb expert.
Now lets get back to the topic instead of hijacking this one so rudely, and my apologies to bouncy332 for being part of the hijack.
In answer to you though bouncy no we should not be pulled out until the mess we created and are involved in is cleared up to some sort of satisfaction.
I am sure your son once come the time will be focused and intelligent enough to decide what he wants to do, and really all you can do is hide your true feelings and love and support him whatever,which i am sure you will.
My mum found it very difficult i know but she always supported me and hid her fears and anguish ever so well so as not to affect me.
Now lets get back to the topic instead of hijacking this one so rudely, and my apologies to bouncy332 for being part of the hijack.
In answer to you though bouncy no we should not be pulled out until the mess we created and are involved in is cleared up to some sort of satisfaction.
I am sure your son once come the time will be focused and intelligent enough to decide what he wants to do, and really all you can do is hide your true feelings and love and support him whatever,which i am sure you will.
My mum found it very difficult i know but she always supported me and hid her fears and anguish ever so well so as not to affect me.
Sorry incorrect, an ambulance driver is and i quote "a trained paramedic able to administer a high level of first aid and advanced treatment, with regards to physical injury or bodily breakdown often life saving"
The people you are referring to have a different job title to "ambulance driver" i just cant find the exact title at the moment, it is something like " hospital day care and out patient driver opperative".
The people you are referring to have a different job title to "ambulance driver" i just cant find the exact title at the moment, it is something like " hospital day care and out patient driver opperative".
Kaznkev you did not actually answer the question, not all "soldiers" carry guns.
All police officers carry handcuffs, does taht mean they are just there to arrest people nothing else?
Do the people who drive ambulances only do it as a taxi service to and from hospital, being in the forces is so much more than killing or being killed.
All police officers carry handcuffs, does taht mean they are just there to arrest people nothing else?
Do the people who drive ambulances only do it as a taxi service to and from hospital, being in the forces is so much more than killing or being killed.
Quote by Kaznkev
I am afraid as a pacifist,raised as such on my grandas knee ,my feeling is that if people join the army they must accept death as a possible consequence of enlisting
I know it sounds harsh,but the point of being a soldier is to kill or be killed,to then complain strikes me as slightly odd
of course i have immense sympathy foe anyone who looses a child,I would be unable to cope should anything happen to mine,but to support the military untill it means danger seems
The point of being a soldier is to kill or be killed!!! What a load of tosh, the point of a soldier is to serve, honour and protect the people he or she is ordered to, and they very rarely if at all complain.
Tell me Kaznkev what do you do for a living and what is the point of that? Is the point of a police officer to arrest people, or a paramedic to drive people backwards and forwards to hospital .........
I never mentioned Thatcher and Blair very rarely if ever sent a written letter, i know this as fact and at first hand.
However i am more disgusted that someone on this thread has made a joke out of dyslexia which is a medical disabillity and it and that person has not been removed, it is no different to being racist,and had it been a racist comment then it would have been dealt with.
However i am more disgusted that someone on this thread has made a joke out of dyslexia which is a medical disabillity and it and that person has not been removed, it is no different to being racist,and had it been a racist comment then it would have been dealt with.
Well slurpy what has spelling gotta do with running a country first world or 3rd, or are you saying that people should be discriminated against for not being able to do something, i cant do maths, thats what calculators are for and i cant spell but use spell check!!
I have far more respect for Gordon Brown for actually putting pen to paper and attempting to put some feeling into the letter than if he had done it on a laptop, spell checked it and just signed the bottom, at least he tried and took the effort, unlike i am sure Blair who always got his PA to do it and just signed it!!
As your cat not being able to count but you not stopping it cleaning its whiskers why would you, why does it need to count to wash its whiskers, its like swinging heaven stopping someone from posting cos they are always wrong .........
I have far more respect for Gordon Brown for actually putting pen to paper and attempting to put some feeling into the letter than if he had done it on a laptop, spell checked it and just signed the bottom, at least he tried and took the effort, unlike i am sure Blair who always got his PA to do it and just signed it!!
As your cat not being able to count but you not stopping it cleaning its whiskers why would you, why does it need to count to wash its whiskers, its like swinging heaven stopping someone from posting cos they are always wrong .........
Ben..... if it looks like a chav, talks like a chav acts like a chav and steals like a chav IT IS A CHAV!! She ticks all the boxes so Kenty is not a nasty man at all but in fact 100% correct.
Also must say that i rarely comment on the posts now as i am sick of the bullying,mainly to Kenty, (yes Ben it is bullying) that goes on when someone makes a point or has an opinion different to the little group of you who stick together like flies on shit.
Now the comments will come from the people whose names i can list now before they even start all shouting me down and saying its not bullying its just a difference of opinion and that people like Kenty are big enough to look after themselves etc,well yes they are big enough to look after themselves but frankly i find it sad that some of you feel the need to "pick" on someone else and bait them and try to belittle them because of something they have said.
When you get a minute take a look at this forum and see who actually posts these days its now always the same few and nearly always the same happens on every subject, mmmmm i wonder why no one else posts these days afraid of attack and ridicule maybe.
Feel free to pm me on this as i am all aware some of you will as in the past.
Now aim and FIRE!!!!!
Also must say that i rarely comment on the posts now as i am sick of the bullying,mainly to Kenty, (yes Ben it is bullying) that goes on when someone makes a point or has an opinion different to the little group of you who stick together like flies on shit.
Now the comments will come from the people whose names i can list now before they even start all shouting me down and saying its not bullying its just a difference of opinion and that people like Kenty are big enough to look after themselves etc,well yes they are big enough to look after themselves but frankly i find it sad that some of you feel the need to "pick" on someone else and bait them and try to belittle them because of something they have said.
When you get a minute take a look at this forum and see who actually posts these days its now always the same few and nearly always the same happens on every subject, mmmmm i wonder why no one else posts these days afraid of attack and ridicule maybe.
Feel free to pm me on this as i am all aware some of you will as in the past.
Now aim and FIRE!!!!!
No so instead we will force our beliefs and morals (lack of included) on them and tell them everything they believe is wrong and not to believe what has been taught for centuries in their books.
Dont even start me on "human rights" this is yet another act thought up by the "wishywashes" which has gone way too far and is just a joke.
I mean thanks to the "human rights" act prison warders now have to wear trainers at night instead of more suitable footwear because it may wake the rapists, murderers,paedos etc up and heaven forbid they dont get a full 8 hours sleep after what the poor bunnies have been through!
Dont even start me on "human rights" this is yet another act thought up by the "wishywashes" which has gone way too far and is just a joke.
I mean thanks to the "human rights" act prison warders now have to wear trainers at night instead of more suitable footwear because it may wake the rapists, murderers,paedos etc up and heaven forbid they dont get a full 8 hours sleep after what the poor bunnies have been through!
I dont care what happens in Saudi Arabia or indeed the Muslim opinion of homosexuality, that is there belief and just like you or i they are entitled to it!
Many muslims living in this country were born here and are indeed british, they are entitled to have there faith and its views, just like a catholic or christian who were also born here, the muslims here may believe homosexuality is wrong but i am yet to witness any stonings to death?!?!?
Homosexuals may get stoned to death in Saudi Arabia and that is the right of that country and a very old law, who are we to argue about it and comment, after all we give convicted paedophiles 2 year jail terms here yet in Saudi this is also punishable by death, i bet many would not complain if we took the same route here on that one, people are very quick to jump to the defense of our own laws when they are questioned by other religions or nationalities yet then slate others for there laws and beliefs.
I am also going to say that anyone who can not see that Nick Griffin is a complete racist, homophobic neanderthal might need serious psychiatric help!
I am a white working class fella of 37 i have very close muslim friends and colleagues and my 2 best friends are gay and indeed married via civil partnership i however believe that people are entitled to both there religious and moral beliefs.
As for the comment by slurpysarah about sorting the "muslim" problem i assume you are a BNP supporter and would send them back to where they came from.............? Where is that exactly?
Many muslims living in this country were born here and are indeed british, they are entitled to have there faith and its views, just like a catholic or christian who were also born here, the muslims here may believe homosexuality is wrong but i am yet to witness any stonings to death?!?!?
Homosexuals may get stoned to death in Saudi Arabia and that is the right of that country and a very old law, who are we to argue about it and comment, after all we give convicted paedophiles 2 year jail terms here yet in Saudi this is also punishable by death, i bet many would not complain if we took the same route here on that one, people are very quick to jump to the defense of our own laws when they are questioned by other religions or nationalities yet then slate others for there laws and beliefs.
I am also going to say that anyone who can not see that Nick Griffin is a complete racist, homophobic neanderthal might need serious psychiatric help!
I am a white working class fella of 37 i have very close muslim friends and colleagues and my 2 best friends are gay and indeed married via civil partnership i however believe that people are entitled to both there religious and moral beliefs.
As for the comment by slurpysarah about sorting the "muslim" problem i assume you are a BNP supporter and would send them back to where they came from.............? Where is that exactly?
