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Its a friggin prostate ya ninny
Awwww the rogue "r" is prowling the forum again :shock:
Now ....that`s something to worry about !!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
Is THAT where my r's went to?!
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mazandden
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Quote by jaymar
Like to echo staffs sentiments of this being a good debate. A really interesting read people :thumbup:
:thumbup: me too, I really enjoyed reading Staff's comments.
Yep folks, i'm really njoying reading this, although a tough, emotive subject, it's really holding my interest and everyone is arguing their case very well! top marks people.
Kent, although I'm not agreeing with you, I think you're making very valid and thought provoking posts, although i have to be in agreement with staffs, dave, etc
M xx
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Quote by Sixfootsix
Oh yes... :rascal: as long as we're talking about the same warm substance being splashed!
Actually, come to think, I'd rather have something warm splashed on my face.....
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Please enquire within! :rascal:
aaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhh!!! frustration to the max!!!!!
So you think you can help out on this matter then?!!!
well, i'm hoping you're talking about chicken soup, cos i am....
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Quote by noladreams30d'ya get a bit excited there Maz?!
Excited? Have you seen Tans boobs????
:inlove: :smitten:
hwoar: Wait a minute- have you seen Nolas?!?!?!
Where is the toungue hanging out, chin on the floor emotion when you need it?!!?!??!
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
M XX
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Quote by TanKinky
Dammit, I was one post too late!!
Im in..... not very good at the old flirting malarky though
So i will just hoy my boobs in the face of the next poster :giggle:
Better luck next time :lol2:
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas!!!! first dibs! woohoo!!!!
Tans breasticles....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
gosh someone splash something cold on my face!
Actually, come to think, I'd rather have something warm splashed on my face.....
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Quote by Dave__Notts
stuff. Dave_Notts
Dave, I agree with absolutely everything you have said.
No one can comment on who's to blame unless you are involved and have the complete evidence available- what's printed in the papers can never be called 'evidence'.
My general feelings are that the most likely issue is lack of funding, over stretched services meaning over worked, under valued, under trained, under supported staff.
Whose fault is that? The Government. Not the individual.
The only individuals to blame are the parents.
We can't even comment on the doctor who examined and supposedly missed the broken back.
The staff involved will most likely be riddled with guilt from now on, penalty enough I feel, but I also feel that there should be no blame lying wiyh the staff.
M xx
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Quote by Peanut
Please note that I specifically put NHS physio and not private physio. The reason I did this is that in most cases patients are referred to physios after having had treatment/consultation from elsewhere rather than the other way round. As a result they have been called in to treat the symptoms that directly relate to them, i.e. soft tissue injuries, post-fracture care etc. They are rarely drafted in to solve the basic problem.
Unfortunately, i have to disagree with you again that our remit is NOT to treat symptoms, a physio will always and HAS to carry out an assesment to determine what the treatment will be and why, no matter who has referred, where from and why.
For instance, we regularly get referrals from a GP saying 'frozen shoulder, please give acupuncture and ultrasound'
a physio, chiropractor or any health professional will never then just go ahead and give a treatment, without carrying out their own assessment.
We have to make sure that this is acutally the diagnosis (very often the 'diagnosis' is wrong as the GP or such like has only had 5 mins consultation to make an judgement of what the problem could be) and then assess what we think would be the most appropriate treatment, given that we are most up to date with the current research and guidelines- that is why the patient has been referred to physio or such like.
If an assesment wasn't needed, the gP might as well just do the treatment themselves.
Most of the time the referrar can suggest a treatment, but they do not tell a practitioner what treatment to carry out.
This is how physio used to work, when you were perhaps initially interested in it- it very much was 'GP assesment' and GP tells physio what to do, now it is very much GP does a tentative referral given that the GPs clinical time is so lacking, and the physio uses their own experience to determine the best treatment or other referral source.
Patients can now self refer to the majority of physio services, without the need to go via a GP.
Yes I am in complete agreement that the service for both HMS and fibromyalgia are severely lacking.
The first due to the wide spectrum of HMS and the 2nd due to a huge lack of evidence and research coupled with the speculation surrounding fibromyalgia (note, not my speculation! ;-) )
m x
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Quote by danne-gary
part of my problem was muscle spasm and the physio gave me ultra sound treatment for that, its also a good pain relief so that together with the other treatment the physio did made my problems improve dramatically
i didnt think they would be able to help but i couldnt afford to pay for treatment
The problem with NHS physiotherapists (and this is NOT a criticism of them, just an observation of their limitations) is that they only treat the symptoms. Their remit is not to get at the root cause and sort that.
well guess i must be very lucky because they did get to the root cause and sort that out
i also got my appointment within 2 weeks, i then went roughly twice a week until the problem was sorted :)
Ahh, I remember treating you....
hehehe
Maz xx
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Quote by Peanut
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The problem with NHS physiotherapists (and this is NOT a criticism of them, just an observation of their limitations) is that they only treat the symptoms. Their remit is not to get at the root cause and sort that.
AS an NHS phsyio, this is complete B$£@~%&s I'm afraid!( i know you said not a critisim so i just want to make a few things clear)
An NHS physio will have trained for a 4-6 yr hons +/- masters degree and has the same university training as a 'private' physio.
In physio, the main aims of treatment are always in the first instance to determine the cause of a problem and not to just treat the symptoms.
The issue with back pain is that sometimes it is just not acheivable to determine a root cause.
It is extremely difficult to isolate one particular structure to be at fault within the spine, there is not one specific diagnostic test that will definately say that the pain is from 'this structure or that', or caused by 'this problem or that' and very often a combination of problems is found.
Even with further diagnostic testing such as MRI, X-Ray, further blood testing etc (which an NHS physio CAN and WIll refer for if necessary) results are not always conclusive and at that point, then yes, it will be symptomatic treatment/ combination treatment.
A physio will always strive to determine the structures at fault although with the knowledge and clinical reasoning skills to know that this is not always possible.
Unfortunately, and it has to be said, (and obviously a biased opinion) many people feel that they need a definitive reason for their pain.
Many chiropractors (and indeed osteopaths, private physios etc) have grasped this and used it to their advantage to gain more clients, by perhaps offering that much searched for 'cause' such as 'your back has slipped out of alignment and I've put it back in place and now you're all better ' (phew instant relief- hmmm placebo???!!!)
(note i say many and i am fully aware that this is a sweeping generalisation)
Chiropractors are also very quick to state an (expensive) Xray is required, when in reality the majority of information is determined from the questions asked about the history of the problem, without even having to touch a patient (the touch and physical assesment still plays an important role and is used to corroborate any clinical reasoning following history taking).
Xrays are hugely expensive, give huge doses of radiation when a Lumbar Xray is require, and usually don't tell much more than is already known.
So many other factors affect someones experience of pain- for example, someone on xray could have hugely arthric knees and not experience any pain, and another could have a tiny bit of joint surface wear and tear but be in absolute agnony- there is no correlation with x-ray results and experience of pain.
So perhaps finding the 'root cause' of someones pain ie through an xray, isn't really showing you the reasons for the pain, which can be very complex, and all you are left with is a massive radiation exposure! It still amazes me how many people know that they have poor posture causing their back pain, but want to expose themselves to xray just 'to see'.
Having an xray result rarely changes a treatment plan.
A chiropractor can in many instances offer quick, symptomatic relief, especially with acute problems, but you must be cautious that they don't do a quick fix that makes you feel like you require to keep going back to be fixed- there is actually so much you can do yourself!
(this is why it is particulary helpful to ask for advice here and not just pluck someone out of google or yell as has been suggested)
For physio, in some instances, you do not have to wait on an NHS waiting list if your problem is severe, physios have slots via GP referral that can be urgent- within 2 days or 'soon' within 1-2 weeks, so if it is causing you a lot of bother this may be an option.
In terms of physio vs chiro, treatment may be very similair- manual therapy/manipulation/massage/ with pain management advice (ie using heat packs, TENS machines, position change, avoiding aggravating positions etc etc) plus posture advice and most importantly exercises so that you can gain control of your own problem and not have to rely on someone else to 'fix you' when there is probably a lot you can do yourself.
A physio may have more access to other resources such as referral for furhter investigation, but a chiro can always write to your GP if concerned as well.
Phew, anyway there are different things to think about re physio/chiropractor NHS/private but you also need to think about what you're doing to manage your problem yourself at the mo.
I'm also hoping chiropractors won't be offended by this, I just mean that if you do go down the route of chiropractic which can be very effective- choose wisely and through recommendation!
M x
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No, it did actually make a good gal like me wait until the ripe old age of 17- if it had been any less then i would've probably done it sooner, if it at least puts some people off, then hopefully that's preventing at least some teenage pregnancies/STIs etc 
but at the end of the day, it's not gonna stop most, so just leave it be!!!
Should they re-introduce corporal punishment?
but at the end of the day, it's not gonna stop most, so just leave it be!!!Should they re-introduce corporal punishment?
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I'm too old to still leap about at gymnastics- my bones feel like they're crumbling and i end up hobbling about like my gran, also the fear factor was never an issue when i was younger, now i'm petrified and it takes me about half an hour to work myself up to trying something new!
Think my bendy days are nearly over!.....
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Think my bendy days are nearly over!.....
M xx
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I'm definately a rugby union gal more than football, but my team is celtic, much to my dads dismay who is a jambo!
Lucky for me supporting celtic, seeing as Den probably wouldn't let me support anyone else!
We were at the celtic man u game on wednesday- awesome!
I always feel that living where we do, I should be supporting a different team, but then my dad would definately disown me!
I also love Barcelona and international of course Scotland, for Den Scotland and Ireland.
Come to think of it, men in shorts- any team is good to watch ;-)
m xx
Lucky for me supporting celtic, seeing as Den probably wouldn't let me support anyone else!
We were at the celtic man u game on wednesday- awesome!
I always feel that living where we do, I should be supporting a different team, but then my dad would definately disown me!
I also love Barcelona and international of course Scotland, for Den Scotland and Ireland.
Come to think of it, men in shorts- any team is good to watch ;-)
m xx
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Quote by blondewell done you!!!
62 points now this week!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
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again, i slept in majorly so missed transfer deadline which now means still 2nd, but den is seriously catching up on me! can't let it happen he is 5 points behind and reckons he'll leave me in his dust tracks- i think differently!! lol
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