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neilinleeds
Over 90 days ago
Bisexual Male, 55
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Quote by Mids
Yes totally stupid but her stupidity was giving the councils the ability to use too much of the money gained from selling council houses on other projects and not replacing the stock, it was the Councils who actually spent too much of the revenue on other projects more than a little naive of her and her advisors

I've seen you post this before. Where on earth do you get this from? My understanding is that the bulk of the take from the sale of council housing went straight to Treasury. The Thatcher Govt forced them to use the proceeds to pay off Local Authority debt to Central Govt, debt that had arisen in large part thanks to Central Govt slashing their bloody budgets. Nothing to do with local councils being frivolous with it, which is precisely why so many were up in arms about it.
If I have that wrong I'd love to see the evidence showing that to be the case.
Yeah, I really don't get the constant whinging about them from motorists. By definition they can only possibly affect you if you break the law by speeding. There's laws against destruction of property and stealing and murdering people too. You know how I avoid getting done for them? I don't destroy property, steal or kill people. Simples. What is so objectionable about that?
Can you answer the question that after she stepped down and the Tory party lost the election to Tony Blair, why did Labour not reverse any of her polices on Trade Union reforms and Privatised industries?

Very briefly Star, the privatised industries were sold at a knock down price, mainly to multi-national investment banks. The same investment banks the UK economy came to depend on once heavy industries in the manufacturing sector had been decimated and we'd moved to a financial services led economy. How exactly would the Labour party have gone about buying these industries back once sold, or closed down? At what cost? Billions upon billions upon billions. Simply impossible.
There's a clue there also to your question on trade union reform. With the loss of the industrial / manufacturing base the larger trade unions ( I'm thinking steelworkers, railway workers, heavy engineering, dockers, miners, yadda, yadda, ya ) had been reduced to an irrelevance. There was no power to give back given that the union's power base had largely gone.
That's a simplistic view, but I think a correct one. You cannot bring something back once it's been destroyed wholesale, the infrastructure was no longer there, but what remained in private hands. The same private hands Blair as a kind of Thatcher-lite toadied up to for his own power base.
Take it with a large pinch of salt Steve. None of us ( for I would fall into the camp you mention ) would truly wish anyone dead, but it's a measure of the absolute hatred her name still brings out in those who got the shittier end of her particular stick.
It's difficult to mourn when you think of just how many lives this woman destroyed, callously, to such little purpose, cos as others on there have rightly pointed out this golden age of Thatcherism we're gonna be hearing about endlessly in coming weeks is about as golden as a spray painted turd. If only her legacy could be buried with her but no, it lives on, to be lived out in the daily lives of those still suffering the consequences thanks to her and her latest incarnation at the head of the Tory party. I piss on the lot of 'em. She was truly a callous, loathsome woman who cared not one bit for those she cut adrift in a sea of misery. Why should those people pretend to care now she's dead? I'm not into revisionism or hypocrisy. I make no apologies for it.
^Billy Bragg channelling Woody Guthrie beautifully there by the looks of it HnS. smile
Quote by HnS
Neil,
tut tut
You forgot to add a 'poll' option
lol

Ah, bollox, you're right HnS! My bad.
Anyways, I can take no credit for this. That lies elsewhere but I'm stealing it cos it's bang on the money:
Quote by Mistress Sassy
People need to get over their 'but she saved the nation' nonsense. Lets look at facts - economic growth was 2.4% in the 80's - exactly the same as the 70's, there were recessions in both the 70's and the 80's, deflation destroyed one fifth of Britain's industrial base in just 2 years, workers rights and pay were reduced - resulting in employees share of national income falling from 65% to 53% and that's without selling of social housing, privatisation of national industries and allowing private companies to profit from them, stealing children's milk, the poll tax, mass unemployment, the most bitter climate of industrial relations ever in UK history, the homophobic section 28, the cover up of Hillsborough, using the police to literally beat those who fought back and her friendship with the murderer Pinochet whilst proclaiming Mandela a "terrorist". "Thatcher was not a great leader, she was the most socially destructive Prime Minister of modern times."

lol
To save all that arguing about whether it's a state or ceremonial funeral, both of which will be at tax-payers expense The Poke has some other ideas. smile
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Can I come ? I'll bring champagne :twisted:

Course you can son. I'll have to make do with Schloer as the nearest fizzy grape stuff I'm allowed but you knock yaself out Staggers, you knock yaself out! I'll save you some cake. lol
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That's fecked up the TV listings for the next couple of weeks.

Bugger. Never thought of that. Still, Meryl Streep was good in The Iron Lady so I'll watch that again.
Made Britain great again? There is an argument to be made that the current financial crisis stems largely from the Reagan-Thatcher era that massively deregulated the financial markets, and our current housing benefit bill that everyone's so up in arms about stems from the sale of social housing, the proceeds of which were prevented from being reinvested in stock to replace it forcing tenants in to private sector properties owned by rapacious landlords. Brilliant move Thatch, just brilliant.
Anyways, I don't normally celebrate a death but she was 87 and had a good long life so will hardly feel bad eating jelly and ice cream in her honour at the street party I'm planning.
Bejaysus Cubes, you're a bad, bad man. I'm fucking traumatised after clicking that! WTF!?
Paddy, hello! Trust you're well.
I like that they were open-minded enough to let Frank Maloney stand in the 2010 general election even after making the following homophobic gaffe in the London mayoral elections six years previous:
I don't want to campaign around gays...I don't think they do a lot for society...what I have a problem with is them openly flaunting their sexuality.

As members of a swinging site where most of us are engaged in flaunting our sexuality to some degree or other that's something we would all support I'm sure. confused
Yup, hope you had a good one Paddy, and everyone else celebrating. Hope the emoticons you used weren't literal Paddy. You can't be falling down drunk at twenty past one, there's a full afternoon and evening to go at man. ;)
Might seem an odd choice to some but pretty much anything by Joy Division. I go through phases usually with bands, tend to play new discoveries to death and then rarely play them again once the novelty's worn off but Joy Division never get old, rarely out of a playlist. Ian couldn't sing and Barney couldn't play guitar for shit but there's a stark, minimalist beauty to songs dealing with the darkest subject matter. Transmission is guaranteed to get me bopping along, New Dawn Fades still gives me goosebumps every time, Love Will Tear Us Apart is a genuine classic, talk about going out leaving the audience forever wanting more. New Order have never got near it, let alone bettered it. Just not in the same league without Ian.
The Verve's A Northern Soul doesn't get played as often as it used to but still pretty much a constant these nearly 20 years since it's release. It took Urban Hymns to really launch them into the top flight, arena filling territory, but for me the earlier album is them at the height of their powers. It's a dark album again, describing a world where what joy there is exists only fleetingly, the default condition of the character depicted throughout what's almost a concept album is disappointment, loneliness, rage and despair. What lifts it is the sonic brilliance of Nick McCabe's guitar work over a tight as a gnat's chuff rhythm section. Pure musos.
Oh and Foxylady, I don't do much classical, what there is of it is relatively modern stuff. Philip Glass, the soundtracks to Mishima and Koyaanisqatsi are stunningly beautiful. Likewise John Tavener's The Protecting Veil. Gorecki's No. 3 ( Symphony of Sorrowful Songs ) is as haunting and moving a work as you're likely to find I think. Keep meaning to dig out more but never quite get round to it.
Basic advice is almost so obvious as to hardly be worth stating, but start small, go super slow, and use lots and LOTS of lube. A good quality leather harness is a must. The cheap stuff out there is not worth wasting your money on. It's something she'll ideally want to be fitted for it, so a trip out to a decent sex / fetish shop rather than buying the first thing that catches your eye online is probably the way forward. A decent harness will help your wife feel more in control, and give her some pleasurable feedback, cos the base of the dildo is gonna put pressure on her clit as she thrusts. Would recommend a good quality, soft, jelly type / silicone dildo. Something cheap, hard and plastic is gonna be harder to get used to and less comfortable by a long way, so likely to put you right off the idea from the start.
You can douche beforehand if you have any issues with hygiene or are overly squeamish about the potential for 'mess', but generally it's not much of an issue. So long as you don't feel 'full' the rectum will be reasonably clean anyways. Sticking a condom on the dildo will minimise any mess anyways and make it easier to keep the dildo clean without too much fuss.
Enjoy! smile
Oh noes. All that lovely, old-school Atari design and they had to stick an Apple product in it! rolleyes
Atari 800 and Star Raiders FTW! I spent whole days in front of that game. Good times man, good times. smile
Quote by VoyeurJ
Two weeks rendition in Egypt for legal torture then back to Jordan to face justice i say. J

Yes, because the best way to deal with those who would like us to be more like some of the most repressive regimes in the world is to lower ourselves to those regimes' standards. It saves the Qatada's of this world a job, we'll get rid of them that way, by making them redundant. rolleyes
Quote by HnS
what 'topping' would you like
innocent

Who cares so long as it's 'stone' baked?
Young woman seduces poss. married / unmarried pizza delivery boy. In Saudi Arabia. I know we live on Islamic stereotypes here in the UK but are you sure this is altogether wise? I didn't think female 'adulterers' did so well in Saudi?
My is pretty OK with sex really, we're pretty open about sexuality generally, sex is good. How else you gonna get yourself properly if not by having lots of regular sex with beautiful men and women? You can't can you, it's not happening. Avoiding work isn't by itself enough to achieve the correct amount of Slackness, it takes more than that.
There is a serious point there: which religions are we talking about? Seems to be the Judeo-Christian / Abrahamic religions ( I include Islam here ) who get all hung up about sex, not sure your Eastern ( Dharmic / Taoic ) religions are nearly so mithered about it? Look at Hindus and the Kama Sutra FFS, what does that tell you? I do like winding Xtians up on the gay marriage thing on the internets of late I must admit. It's a bit like shooting fish in a barrel sometimes, they're so easily confused by the Bible's stance on it. Cruel really sometimes, I try to have respect for peoples' beliefs, except when they try to deny rights to others that they enjoy cos of something a bloke once wrote in a book imagining he was communing with the big man in the sky. Yeah, right, wotevs you lunatic, no it doesn't work like that unfortunately mate. rolleyes
Ask them what G*d has to say about the rights or wrongs of turning off light switches on a Saturday morning or rustling up a few prawns wearing your mixed fibre PJs they're likely to go all New Covenant on you: In the person of Christ the O.T. proscriptions were made obsolete in fulfillment of them, right. So why does the O.T. proscription on homosexuality ( or perhaps more accurately temple prostitutes ) remain though the Christian church has dispensed with the rest? And then they start pointing to Romans, Corinthians, Timothy or whatever in the N.T. WTF? The epistles are Paul writing for his own purposes, and those of the early church, they aren't even the words of Jesus as attributed to him in the four gospels, a man who funnily enough had fuck all to say on the subject. It's fun!
I guess I'm like Foxy: I know a little bit about lots of things, most of it useless unless you're pub quizzing. I dunno where I've accumulated most of it, I just have one of those memories that soaks things up like a sponge and organises stuff so I can access it later almost unbidden sometimes. I wish I could get rid of some of it, there's a lot of rubbish in my head I'd rather not have in there sometimes.
Stuff I could talk about would be literature, consider myself pretty well read. Lot of the classics, much originating in French, German, and Russian as well as English. Here again though I would struggle to go into too much depth with a lot of it. Languages, or the foundations of language something I'm into too, how English relates to French or Latin for instance. Also the way that we use language to interpret and structure our experience of the internal and external world and define our place in it, how what we imagine to be our innermost self is nothing but a linguistic construct, a story we tell ourselves to be analysed, played with and changed at will. Also history I guess, some military history, some from the more social and economic angle, working class history especially, ties in with an interest in ( especially Marxist ) sociological theories of politics and society also. Important to know how we got where we are today, and why. Without a proper sense of the past we are doomed to repeat it all too often, we don't seem to learn very well as a species sometimes, even when confronted with the obvious.
Don't usually do the e-petition thing, not sure I've ever seen a useful result but if anyone thinks the Misuse of Drugs Act is a failed weapon in the 'War On Drugs' ( TM Richard Nixon 40 odd years ago, still losing FFS ) in urgent need of review you may wish to put your name to this:

It's got the 1000 votes needed to get this on the agenda in theory, but being a completely taboo subject for front benchers any extra push we can give it is good.
This is not about drugs BTW. This is about failed policy and wasted tax-payers money in these austere times we live in. It's about drug users who are gonna find themselves criminalised once again in a coupla days for trying to stay legal. Like this:
Bloody typical - otherwise you might have been referring to me as 'my lady'.

Unlucky. Still, I guess you'd find any number of willing volunteers happy to refer to you as 'my lady', among other things if that's what floats your boat, so it's not all bad, is it? We must endeavour to look for the positives in this situation Foxy, as always.
As for whats the diff,
I would say it is less cruel to lamp with lurchers and greyhounds than with a rifle, the former two never ever wound!

I'm not sure if you missed the point of the question. Why does seemingly noone argue that lamping for foxes with dogs should be made legal? Where is the mass campaign for it? If there isn't one, why is that? Pro-hunt lobbyists often try to make this a town v country or a class v class vested interests thing. What about the rights of the city-dwelling, working class individual to lamp with dogs? Should they have that right, or not? If not, why not? What difference is there as far as the end result being a fox being torn apart by dogs by way of, allegedly, pest control, as opposed to pure sport.
Causes endless confusion this Stevie ( a bit like you in that respect, what with the endless bloody name changes every week and what have you! :P ) . . . .
Devon is twinned with God's Own County. Twinned with. Like wot Leeds and Munich are. We let Devon have a bit of the Godliness is all, let 'em bask in the warm glow so a bit rubs off on 'em, you know. That's all.
Quote by Lost
As I am godlike . . .
My Partner J hails from Leeds and so I married a barbarian.

Lies! Losty, if you were even remotely like unto God then you would know that Yorkshire is God's Own County and Leeds is its beating heart. You might struggle to find a divine presence on a Saturday night out down the city centre right enough but it is there. Some of the girlies look a bit divine anyways, as I'm sure you've already found. So there! :P
Too Hot, I'm sure I never used to agree with you quite so much as I find myself doing lately. What happened there then? Say something controversial I can get all indignant about, see if we can't restore some balance here, eh? ;)
The figures in themselves are pretty meaningless without more to go on that would help us interpret them. For example, I wonder how many of the four million where English is listed as their second language might be Welsh patriots? Might be none of them did that, could be loads. That could put a bit of a different complexion on the numbers far as what should be understood from them goes, couldn't it? That might be complete bollox, but you take my point, purely by way of illustration? In any event, English being your second language does not in any way suggest none-fluency in English, or have any meaning whatsoever as far as the prospects for integration are concerned. Lots of third generation Asians might list Punjabi or Hindi as their first language cos that's what is spoken at home. Doesn't mean these people couldn't also be lawyers and doctors or whatever whose fluency with the English language is better than mine, does it?
138,000, how are we to understand that? That there are Asian women, some new arrivals, some who've been here fifty years but have barely integrated into English society generally because back home they would not have integrated socially beyond immediate family, friends, other female or religious circles anyways, it's a cultural thing? Sure, there'll definitely be some there, we all know it exists. There will also be the newly arrived wives and children of immigrants who have preceded them and settled into work, or business here, and are now in a position to bring across their loved ones, as should be their right. They can't speak English at the moment, but that's not to say they won't be pretty fluent by the time the next census comes round I assure you, their kids will be English school educated. That's the thing with the census, it's a snapshot in time and subject to change. What d'you reckon the split is between the first group I listed, and the second? I dunno.
London is the greatest city in the world BECAUSE of its cultural diversity. My personal life and that of my friends and family has been greatly enriched by multi culturism BECAUSE we embraced it instead of fearing it.

The same could be said of any major city. The culture of this country and the daily lives of everyone here have been enriched immeasurably by immigrant communities. Try getting a salt beef bagel when you fancy one without Jews moving their community and their wealth here, think banking and finance have generally done well out of that too. If we're being mercenary about it that's just one example without which I can assure you this country just would not be what it is. That should be acknowledged for the simple truth that it is, instead of this constant yelping about the destruction of our English culture harking back to a golden age that always was a myth anyways.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
I have been told I flirt and am good at it but I don't really know what others see that makes me a flirt.
I am an innocent flirt, innocent of all charges.
What is this flirting business everyone talks about?

You and Flower, sitting in a tree, k.i.s.s.i.n.g.
Something like that maybe that people see Minxy, probably? lol bolt
Hey Sarge, it's good to see you bobbing in lately and great to hear things have worked out so well for you. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone really that's done it and regretted it. Couldn't pick a much better place could you, just up the Gold Coast. I'd do Australia in a heartbeat if I could, Melbourne probably given the chance but that will never happen. Too old and nothing the Aussies want.
I could do a GnV and bugger off to France quite happily, somewhere down the South West corner probably. The land, the skies, the light, the heritage, the Pyrenees nearby, all work for me. I quite like the French, and the language. English tourists to Paris often find them arrogant, sometimes that's as much the fault of the tourists as anything else I think but hey, even the French find Parisians arrogant and up their own arses quite often. lol Still I loved Paris and found the French quite receptive and friendly so long as you made some effort with the language and weren't just all 'Garcon, un bouteille de Muscadet, pronto sunshine' with them. I like the radicalism we seem to have forgotten, that the Govt serves the people, and if the people don't like what the Govt is doing they just ignore any direction from it, I'm not having that, or take to the streets in tractors. I remember the pace of life and historic feel of small towns around La Rochelle with real fondness, best holiday I ever had as a kid. I'd like to go back and see more one of these days.
Minxy, just want to thank you for an excellent series of posts. Too much to comment on really, except to say integration is a bit of a two-way street, as you demonstrate. We're not always very welcoming of immigrants, whether they're first generation or whatever. Some are actually fearful of them, not because of what they do or how they live, but simply because of what they are. They represent the 'other'. Easy to see how and why ghettoisation develops quite often given the attitudes of some 'indigenous' Brits, white flight, social / housing policies that encourage them to an extent, the safety in numbers thing, etc. And then we complain these people live in ghettos and don't integrate. No shit?
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rotflmao :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
I'm sure none of us could possibly say mate. T'is truly a mystery of our times. confused
My dad's side we've never looked into. They washed their hands of us completely when he died when I was nine, frankly I don't give a flying one where they're from, and as his sole heir their line is gonna die with me, it's not worth the time and energy, noone to pass it on to! Bit harsh that isn't it, maybe? Ah, fuck 'em! lol
Me mam's lot are great though, Scots of Viking stock. You don't get much more chuffin' mental than Scot / Viking hybrids, do you, and surprisingly hardy. Seems my lot left the Shetlands where the longboats first landed, making their way down through the highlands to the lowland areas around Glasgow. Clearly they found it still too chuffing cold and always raining or something and made their way still further south to warmer climes. Or it might have had more to do with my Grandad being Catholic and me Grandma being Orange and pregnant though not yet married. Bloody Catholics, never could keep it in their trousers, could they, and you know how that whole Celtic / Rangers thing is, even now? As a blacksmith it can't have been for want of work, not with the shipyards and everything. One of my uncles has done a fair bit on the tree, need to get together one day while he's still here to see just how far, it's something I'd like to look into more.
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Well !!!!
I must admit I`d never really thought about it before so I had no idea which language was most widely spoken in the UK after English...
Blimey ..... it`s Polish ! Who would have thought it ? lol

FFS, noone tell Star, we'll be here all bloody week! :shock: Flower, you're a twat sometimes, d'you know that? rotflmao
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I am not surprised. But not to worry cometh the Election and UKIP get in, we can send all the foreigners back home were they came from. Let's not just claim our country back, claim our language and all our jobs too. If we go back as far as the 1960's we can claim all our houses back too. In fact fuck it, let's kick everyone out with any Roman or Norman Genes.
Mandatory gene test for all.

If UKIP winning an election coincides with Alex Salmond winning Scottish independence I might just claim my right to wear the Buchanan and bugger of back to Scotland. Free prescriptions and university fees innit. Me teeth need doing and at the ripe old age of 43 I finally know what I might want to do with my life. Bring it on. D'you think UKIP might subsidise it a la Enoch Powell's proposal IIRC? ;)