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neilinleeds
Over 90 days ago
Bisexual Male, 56
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Quote by essex34m
Seeing as my birthday is on May 19th, I suppose it would be rude not to.....

Rudeness has never stopped you before Essex, why start now? :P
Oh, and a hotel list would be welcome. Ta.

Ditto this. By the time I get paid in the New Year reckon the hotel next door will be full at this rate.
Well you're not gonna do it with a kestrel Robbo sure but quite easy really. Attack squadron of Sea Eagles is all you need, more than up to it. What you do is, you send just a couple of 'em in first to perch on its antlers. That'll weigh its head down a bit, what with 'em being the biggest birds of prey in the UK and all, and they can peck at its eyes a bit for an added distraction. Then, while its busy tossing its antlers about trying to get the buggers off and not looking about so much the rest of the flight steam in. Like being hit by a train is a full complement of Sea Eagles at full tilt mate I assure you. Knock the wind right of it. Then, once it's down trying to catch its breath rest of the job's easy innit, all over in seconds. What are you, some kinda townie or summink that you didn't know this? Country ways Robbo, country ways fella.
Its all about choices to some extent, toohot decided to apply himself to pass an exam that gave him a better chance in life, other decided not to....

No, this is nonsense Blue, not all others were able to pass it whether they applied themselves or not. The whole point of it was to select those most academically gifted and steer a tiny fraction of the most able ( < 5% I think ) into a completely different educational experience to that offered those who failed, with much greater opportunities for further academic study later in life. Some would have failed no matter how they applied themselves or how much extra tuition they had because they were simply not gifted enough, that was the whole bloody point! The education offered in what were secondary moderns and later comprehensives was vastly different as anyone who's been through them will tell you.

Bwahahahaha!
What gets me about all of this social welfare kind of debating is that we all conveniently forget that we all start off in life with the same chances and the same opportunities to work hard and do well in life.
Patently untrue. Life chances are not
the same for everyone, whether we're talking the impact of child poverty, quality of schooling available in a particular area ( hence middle class parents buying property within the catchment area of the best schools locally driving up prices ), individual talent, cultural / class influences ( see Paul Willis, Learning To Labour ), discrimination / lower expectation of those within a certain a demographic, psychological / emotional damage at a young age, whatever. If life chances were all the same Govt wouldn't spend so much time trying to address the inequalities that impact upon them, would they?
Quote by TooHot
I am not sure how someone earning £75,000 a year can make you a toff. My electrician earns at least that and he is Polish. £75,000 a year PAYE means you take home about £3,000 a month or £100 a day?? That is surely not "toff" level??

You're about a £100 quid a day out TooHot according to though I accept a grand a week ( about three and a half times my take home ) isn't exactly stratospheric.
Thanks for that Jules you voice of reason you. I agree absolutely. It is stereotyping to imagine that all benefit claimants are living the life of riley swanning about in designer clothes, swilling booze and smoking fags till they come out of their ears. Sure, examples can be found of people taking the piss but they are not in any way representative of the vast majority.
I accept that this is being spun as a targeted effort to deal with the most troublesome members of the 'underclass' but it's thin end of the wedge stuff like you say. As ever, once in place I can absolutely guarantee you the scope of it will be extended further and further until this is the standard for all claimants. It's how you always sneak in something that would otherwise be controversial and unpopular isn't it, make out it's only the worst offenders who are going to be affected, play that divide and rule politics of envy card that's so in evidence of late. For a party that was so critical of the Labour Party's nanny statism this would seem to take it to whole new levels of dictating how people should live their lives and spend what little money they have. If some do decide to piss it all up the wall frankly I don't care. The consequences will be theirs to deal with.
Anyways, having said all that though I wasn't aware it had already had its first reading when I posted yesterday I can't see it going through. The Lib Dems I don't think would support it, Labour sure won't, even some Tories I reckon would find this a step too far, and every bit as costly to implement and unworkable in practice as I previously suggested.
What have you done with the real Starlightcouple?

lol :lol: :lol:
My thoughts exactly Dave. I'm worried about Star. He seems to have suffered some kind of episode which has him moving ever further towards the libertarian left. I can't imagine what could have happened to cause that? :lol:
Seen similar before Blue about a guy lives almost exclusively on roadkill. Heard the meat absolutely stinks and doesn't taste much better so surprised here, poss the breeding season thing like he says. Can't see it catching on. Down what passes for an A or B road down Devon way which is still the only place I've ever actually seen a live badger yet you're likely to find roadkill badgers still pretty intact ( so long as they are, in fact, actual roadkill! ;) ), not so in West Yorkshire. More a bloody smear round these parts. Might get enough mince for a burger but you're not having fillet steak from it like this dude. lol
Is it? Only been running six months but quick Google of basics card not working is revealing. It would appear too soon to say whether it works or not Blue?


Don't seem to be rolling it out so well. Given the appalling record of Govt IT projects likely to be required for this I reckon we'll do even worse than the Aussies.
Bullshit. It won't happen, mainly cos it would be totally unworkable. By way of analogy, milk tokens. Meant to be spent only on milk for the kids aren't they? You'll find any number of local shops in an impoverished area with lots of young mums and families on benefits who will accept them as if they were cash for pretty much anything. Same will happen with these cards. Govt aren't gonna insist on an itemised receipt every single spend are they, shopkeeper ain't gonna provide one, it will be a simple debit of the total amount spent from the card without showing what it's been spent on same as with any debit card receipt but even if a receipt was demanded a workaround will be found.
Forget any moral argument, it's a complete waste of time, a none-starter. Publicity seeking fluff piece from a newly elected MP hoping to make his mark in the party by appealing to the Tory right, no more.
Quote by GnV
I didn't make that assertion neil. I merely commented that if it had been in the PI, the CPS would surely have brought a prosecution.
They didn't ergo not in the PI dunno

Or, if you were of a cynical frame of mind you might begin to wonder perhaps there was the kind of 'political decision' one of those convicted of complained of, but going the other way entirely in this case? ;) But yes, of course I take your point GnV, reasonable to conclude that.
Quote by Ben_Minx
It is an absolute disgrace that this law is so badly enforced that the RSPCA had to spend a penny.

My thoughts exactly Ben. I was reading through the article trying to work out why it was the RSPCA that had brought the prosecution and not the CPS. 15 minutes of video footage showing that some members of the hunt were at that point actively engaged in hunting a fox with hounds spurring on dogs and other riders, an activity they knew to be unlawful. Seems chances of securing a conviction with that evidence must have been high. They'd probably have rolled over just as quickly when that evidence came to court?
GnV, I do not understand at all your claim that prosecution would not be in the public interest. Every bit as much as bringing cases against those who go billy digging, egg collecting, hare coursing and lamping I would have thought, all quite routinely prosecuted?
Blue, is it morally right? It would seem to fit perfectly with the organisations stated aim of the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals? It is their function, no? The case goes beyond punishing those at fault in this case. The prosecution serves notice on other hunts that they cannot get away with this with impunity forever. Even if the police and CPS are somewhat lax when it comes to enforcement of the legislation the RSPCA at least will be there to ensure their actions are lawful. That goes some way towards the prevention of cruelty to animals in the future, yes? Again, entirely within their remit.
Of course social mores change with time, of course we quite often ignore social mores and define our own moral code for ourselves independently of what wider society says, our membership here being a case in point. It is however possible to say whether something is morally right or morally wrong objectively. You look at the impact, who wins, who loses, and how great the disparity between the win and the loss.
If it could be shown that companies like Starbucks, Google, whoever who use tax avoidance schemes of this kind damage a greater number of people, or damage nations / national economies as a whole so that a relatively small number of owners / investors / shareholders / whatever can maximise their profits at the absolute expense of the losers in this scenario it should be quite easy to determine whether that is morally right, or morally wrong. It's really not that difficult.
Quote by starlightcouple
When did people give a feck about morals?

Everything that is wrong in the world today in a nutshell Star. I may not have lived up to my own high standards at times Star, no. Having high standards does sometimes make them difficult to achieve I guess. Difference is, I do at least have standards, and aspire to them.
Actually Blue, GnV the analogy is a poor one. It's not the same thing at all in the case of companies like Google and Starbucks.
If I save money on one item I have money left over I might not have had as change that I can then spend on another item. Exchequer gets two bites at the cherry, the total VAT take from the £100 in my pocket remains the same so long as I spend that £100 on VATable items here whether I spend on one item or many, agreed? And the net goes towards goods and services in this country supporting local economies.
What happens when companies are moving their profits offshore? The exchequer is denied his cut, and the cash isn't even being reinvested in the local / national economy. It's a loss every which way. They are avoiding any and all obligation to pay back into this country some measure of what they take out of it in funds, their business being supported by tax-payer funded infrastructure, services and benefits. It's immoral, simple as.
Better than wankers Trev which is what the emote seems to be alluding to. lol
Used tineye myself before now. If something looks too good to be true it's cos it quite often is. Seem to recall reporting the odd porn star profile pic myself in my time.
Now now Star. The last time you made that assertion it was shown to be total bollox with a quick Google that provided links to successful prosecutions of black on white and black on asian racist offences, wasn't it, remember?
Difficult Jed. The Act doesn't define what 'hostility' means but is a couple of fans waving an Albanian flag, even if they're trying to wind the player up with it as overtly hostile as the player rounding on them and giving them a mouthful? I'm not sure it is? One's kind of passive-aggressive, the other's aggressive plain and simple.
Saying that I'm sure these fans would have been giving it some verbal too, probably is six of one, half a dozen of the other in this case but seems the Alabanian fans made a complaint which the police now have to investigate, Kolarov apparently didn't, or hasn't yet at least? Other than a bit of disciplinary for rising to any baiting from the club I doubt it will go anywhere.
As for English, Irishmen and Scotsman jokes, etc the key word is hostile. It's about the intent. Your freedom of speech and right to tell off-colour 1970s jokes if that's what you're into is not curtailed, it would need to have some real aggression and hate behind it I think in a way that constitutes a verbal assault.
Bit of a problem in that race ( biological ) and ethnicity ( biological and cultural ) are often conflated though they are not quite the same. Race can define ethnicity but that's not the whole story. Ethnicity might be defined also by nationality, language, religion, shared tradition, etc. For our purposes though the law treats them as one and the same thing. I think this is the main piece of legislation that spells out what racially motivated means
Crime and Disorder Act 1998 Section 28
28 Meaning of “racially or religiously aggravated”.
(1) An offence is racially or religiously aggravated for the purposes of sections 29 to 32 below if—
(a) at the time of committing the offence, or immediately before or after doing so, the offender demonstrates towards the victim of the offence hostility based on the victim’s membership (or presumed membership) of a racial or religious group; or
(b) the offence is motivated (wholly or partly) by hostility towards members of a racial or religious group based on their membership of that group.
*snip*
(4) In this section “racial group” means a group of persons defined by reference to race, colour, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins.

So, leaving aside altogether whether ethnic Serbs and ethnic Albanians are the same race, or a different one they are different ethnically, culturally. An attack by an Russian Orthodox Serb on an Albanian Muslim solely because of his membership of that particular ethnic group for instance would be deemed a racist attack because the Serb would be asserting his cultural, not racial / biological superiority over the other. It's a hate crime.
HTH?
Which is one of the reasons why I'm not daft enough to use my real name on there Paddy. Most unlikely they'd find me, but even if they did there's always the privacy settings. Not the tightest but would still give little away to anyone not on my friends list.
Most of the people I have on Facebook are people I know from here going back years. Those who for whatever reason don't post here so much anymore. Swinging retirees if you will. We even have a little group set up for swinging site refugees. lol
No swinging or any inappropriate adult content you couldn't have you mam see, just about keeping in touch. Arrange quite a bit of social stuff there for our little SH clique but that's as far as it goes. Can't speak for others, maybe I'm doing it wrong but there it is. :lol:
Quote by Dawnie
Pop me on a provisional list please Dawn - I'm thinking about it but not sure at the moment. If that's okay? :-)

Oh my goodness, please make it happen.
^This^. Gotta come now Anais, good as a promise, let's have no provisional about it. Only been wanting to meet you for about, oh, eight years or something? I'm all for taking your time, letting opportunities present themselves naturally but you can go to far with it Anais, you really can. Case in point here! ;)
Has he broken any UK Law?

Yup! Section 1 1990 Computer Misuse Act Trev seems the only one really applicable. The attempt to circumvent the security is an offence here even if the computers were in another country. It's the attempt that's an offence. Two years jail and / or £5000 fine for the most serious offences. Was his a serious offence under the Act? Seems quite trivial. Fits the Section 1 criteria as the least serious offence laid out. Makes you wonder how extradition could even have been seriously entertained. Thought the offences had to be pretty equivalent as a clear breach of roughly equivalent law in both countries with some kind of sentencing parity so one wonders how he could have been facing decades in the US for so trivial a sentence here. Was always the point I guess, aspergers etc shouldn't even have had to come into it if that's all he could be done for her. I may be wrong though, but struggling to see what other offences he committed here?
1 Unauthorised access to computer material.
(1) A person is guilty of an offence if—
(a) he causes a computer to perform any function with intent to secure access to any program or data held in any computer F1 ;
(b) the access he intends to secure F2 is unauthorised; and
(c) he knows at the time when he causes the computer to perform the function that that is the case.
(a) on summary conviction in England and Wales, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or to both;
(c) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to a fine or to both.]
It would never occur to me to be anything but upfront. We're talking sex with those we might not know very well. Informed consent is key. Anything but informed consent is potentially very, very dangerous ground indeed. Even more dangerous than pretending to be single risking the mr / mrs finding out what we're up to.
I could never insist everyone is honest in their off-site, real life. Who am I to judge? How would I know anyways? We've all got out crosses to bear. What I expect though is that members of this site are honest with the rest of us. If that means the numbers of potential playmates shrinks to a fraction for them, that's the price of honesty. Those that remain though will be the ones worth talking to, who haven't been so quick to judge.
/Realises this is a slightly off-topic reply not being in the target audience. Oh well, wrote it now innit?
Your profiles good mate. Ticked off everything relevant to your interests will help the site do some matching up for you where it can, you're upfront what the score is right there for anyone to read it and give a good account of yourself in the write-up. It's all good mate. I didn't look at grammar amd spelling that hard but nothing obvious leapt out and I tend to pick things like that up, it could be trivial anyways if there so who gives a fuck, noone will care. ;)
Do more socially things, IRL or here, use chat or forum more. Will get you to the IRL stuff much better than firing off random emails and waiting for one to land. Doesn't work like that ever for most blokes so another approach def the way forward. I know you get that, so not patronising you there. ;)
Of course Star they contribute through wages to treasury and to local economies in spending power. That's their major net contribution to the economy, yes. Noone argues with that. Just when you look at what kind of employment practices these companies demonstrate driving down costs and weakening bargaining power they pay the barest minimum they can get away with, often requiring the tax-payer support their piss-poor wages directly with state funds we all pay into as our safety net to even make working for them even remotely viable for them in the first place. We can't afford the safety net anymore, it has to go to keep these companies going here cos they fucked us all right up the arse they did. They are parasites. Simple as. By any definition of the word they are parasites on this nation's wealth and very lifeblood and we sit and watch them do it and do nothing? Madness. Absolute madness.
Attributed to Einstein, I think incorrectly : insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Have you looked at rescue Star? There's specialist GSD ones all round the country quick Google tells me, plenty even down your way. Might have to wait for a pup, might drop lucky, often breeding line can be traced cos even the unscrupulous breeders out there look after their KC reg certs, where their value is, and genetic defects are often screened for by the rescue. You'll not be able to breed from them in all probability but that's not your concern is it?
They're beautiful little bundles of fluff. I love German Shepherds, cracking dog when raised right, loyal as the day is long and completely fearless. Die for you a dog like that without even stopping to think about it, think it had served its purpose in life quite happily. Sad that that's what's exploited in them really. sad
Sold on the Belgians now though since I got me mam's. Never, ever seen a more placid dog and she could easily go some if she wanted, be seriously dangerous to man and beast. Just she doesn't want to, at all, can't be arsed with it and will walk away from trouble with a 'WTF's their problem mam? We're alrite though aren't we? Just checking.'. Upbringing of course as well as temperament but she was a lovely soft thing from day one, and nothing much beats a Belgian moving when in full flow, what with the grace and the feathering of the coat and tail and what not. Stunning dogs. smile
Quote by starlightcouple
So some kind fella will just come along and give me an 9 to 13 week old puppy German Shepherd?
Now I do believe in fairies.

Some kind bloke related to a mate of mine gave me a 8-10 week Belgian Shepherd for me mam absolutely gratis if that counts? Groenendael near enough for you Star? ;)
Me sis got a pedigree Staff long before they were weapons from Staffie rescue had papers showing his lineage to champions. Bit of a registration fee and they kept the KC papers and insisted on neutering before she took him at her ( minimal ) expense so he couldn't be bred from or sold but you'll never see a better Staff.
Too many in rescues in need of a home innit Stevie. No need to buy one ( though there may be rehoming fees from a rescue, not quite the same thing ), and encourages more breeding by the unscrupulous who see it purely as income with little in the way of dog welfare in terms of care shown to the dog, or the selectivity of their breeding as far as genetic defects go in pedigrees, beyond that which that generates a profitable sale.
Not a comment on the good breeders out there that BTW, just for the avoidance of any doubt.
Quote by Bluefish2009
Good for Google that they can get away with it. The ones moaning about it would do exactly the same given the chance, which they will not so resort to boycotting them? That is really going to hurt them.rolleyes
To think that boycotting them makes an ounce of sense is a strange stance to take, but hey if it makes people feel better then good on them, but those people if they could get away with not paying their taxes, they would not give a hoot if they could.
I will not be boycotting any of them to be honest, instead of doing that why not boycott your local bank as it is them that have between them, put this country straight down the toilet, not the likes of Starbucks who in comparison has avoided peanuts in comparison to the greedy banks.

Spot on star, to my knowledge they have not even broken any laws
Of course, but then legal / illegal doesn't always directly equate to moral / morally wrong does it, and clearly the kind of tax avoidance we're seeing with these companies who take advantage of tax-payer funded infrastructure and services we've helped put in place that enables them to do business in this country in the first place while making next to no contribution back syphoning funds out of the country is morally wrong on every level. People talk about dole scum sponging off tax-payers but companies like this take sponging to whole new levels of obscenity.