Quote by flower411
I think we have to return to my original statement which was something along the lines of " I don`t care "
This may have come across as " I have no opinion "
I think it`s shit neil, I think the people that run this site have forsaken all that it stood for when it was first set up (I wasn`t here but I`m going by what others have said ! ) and I think they are doing it for purely commercial gain.
I think that the FACT that they are now offering sex services for sale directly and indirectly is actually astounding even for them and I think it is a total betrayel of the tiny minority of people who see swingingheaven as their personal window into the swinging world.
I also think that swingingheaven will simply merge with the rest of the online sex industry and become indistinguishable from other sites offering sex services for money.
I stated in no uncertain terms that I don`t care about this because I can move to other sites that have less members and are not so proffessionally run but seem to have some morals. And to be perfectly honest, there is nothing you or I or anybody else in this forum or in the chat rooms can do about it !!
I am not going to get angry or upset because this is all just words on a screen to me ....
So please, when I say I don`t care, dont take it that I don`t understand or have an opinion, just accept that I don`t care !! :dunno:
Thats the way I read your initial comment and with the expansion of your reply above I think you make your valid point very clear.
Quote by Stormwalker
I don’t think either of you get it, the other persons point that is.
Dark and the Hens think/hope, SH is still the old SH community just under different management. Still with the old regulars, doing what has always been done in the same old way with the odd hiccup and blunder from time to time, caused by an inexperienced (in the ways of swingers) management failing to ask for and receive the wisdom of the wise.
Flower points out that this idyllic SH no longer exists, the site is a commercial venture where the views of the select few have very little impact at all on the running and future success of the enterprise. He is correct, but just as sad as you about it, don’t shoot the messenger.
The forumites are now a very small part of one site in a portfolio of interconnected sites and if the venture is to succeed, the sites will inevitably just get bigger and bigger, and the importance of the few smaller and smaller.
See it for what it is and will inevitably become, mourn the old SH if you will, but don’t be blinkered, we are not the be-all and end-all, that may have been true once but sadly the pound will always be the final arbitrator.
Another fantastic post.
You know what? I've had a lot of fun and made a lot of friends through SH. I still have that to this day and hopefully that will continue for a long time as well.
The site has changed, the forum, where once a major part of the site and the whole social structure, has shrunk to being a very small part of the site and one that many think is reserved for the "old timers" and is even, dare I say it, cliquey. I think its just sometimes a case of overinflated thoughts of self importance but then maybe thats just people personalities shining through.
Dark, dammie, I do NOT refer to either of you two there just to avoid any possible confusion.
I dont subscribe to the cliquey line of thought but I can see why some others do.
This site may well turn into a sex for sale type site and if that happens then many of us will lament its passing and move on I'm sure. What has been interesting is the fact that similar links have resided on the site in the "good old days" and most people here just ignored that fact and didn't let it fuss them too much. I assume that similar links therfore have exsisted on the pay per view sites previously. How many of those here now found their way here from such links when it was free to use????
I do "get it" but I wont be overly concerned about it all because at the end of the day you can put your hand in the bucket, you can shake and stir and agitate the water to your hearts content BUT when you take your hand out the waters will return to stillness and your effectiveness on the whole debacle will be shown by the size of the hole you've left...
I'm more domesticated than I look! Back me up here darling. 
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