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tomu
Over 90 days ago
Straight Male, 54
UK

Funny how it's always the diseases that mainly affect women (like endemetriosis and lupus) that little is known about. Almost as if most of the doctors and scientists are men and they're not really interested in women's diseases...
Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Jessica Alba or Jessica Biel?
Yeah and I bet nobody ever saw Greta Garbo's pussy as she got out of a limo. There's just no class these days.
Mae West, where's the Mae West of today?
Or, who could possibly play Barbarella in a remake? Apparently they've cast Drew Barrymore, and that is so, so very wrong.
The only actress we could think of who could pull it off was Heather Graham... maybe a few years ago...
(If you haven't seen the original, watch it, it's properly ace).
Ah. I see. Um, still don't understand why swingingheaven has chosen to censor this club name and none of the others. Maybe a mod could explain it...
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From what I have heard, read or seen Infusion in Blackpool, t******** in Liverpool or Chameleons in Wednesbury/ Darlaston are the main/ only cpl that you never seem to see a bad word regarding the 'facilities' and the general 'state' of the place.

Is there a reason why Townhouse is written in asterisks in this post? Just wondering. We like it, and the people who run it.
I always thought Wednesbury was a funny town name, as if it only exists one day in the week...
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...apparently, they insert a steel umbrella up yer cock, and then just pull the rip cord, and scrape it back out? :shock: :scared:
in actual fact, it's a cotton bud round the tip, and a urine sample....

I've had the umbrella every time I've been. But your general point is right, it's not painful, just a bit kind of icky.
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I did phone for my results that were all clear. (3 months ago)
So yes, I can say I'm clean.
Ian

but that's 3 months ago.....what about now?
...or indeed, given that the HIV virus doesn't show up in your test until it's been in your blood for up to 3 months, that's actually 6 months ago.
Only way to KNOW you're clean is to wait three months after your possible exposure, then get tested. (...of course, not allowing for the possibility that the test was wrong and you actually do have something, haha).
Or abstain from everything, of course, but that would really be no fun at all.
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I am in. You had all better be warned: I will give you a right spanking. And beat you at the football game.

Bollocks. But NEXT year I'll beat you all!
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JANIS JOPLIN
"Little Girl Blue"

REM
"Losing My Religion"


...wicked choices there. I'd like to see the inside of YOUR record collection.
Tracy Chapman, Fast Car.
The Whole song really, but especially the chorus:
You've got a fast car
Is it fast enough so you can fly away?
You gotta make a decision
Leave tonight or live and die this way
...because it's always been about trying to get somewhere, and not giving up the dream; the song reminds me about the price of not leaving tonight.
Ace piece of music too.
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I really don't think the whole community has the 'let them get on with unsafe sex' attitude though.

Hmm. It's a difficult one this though. I mean, I do feel that it's a very individual thing and that sexual behaviour is an area where people don't have the right to judge each other; I don't approve of people playing Russian Roulette in such a flagrant way, and I don't like the fact that hmm, yes actually in contradiction to what I said above, It does increase my level of risk.
However I (we) do feel that we're basically responsible for our own protection here, and that we should be as careful when we're sleeping with people we *think* we trust as we would be with total total strangers. If we assume that anyone we're with potentially has something, then whether or not someone somewhere down the chain has used protection doesn't alter the way you should conduct things - just assume that they didn't use it.
After all - we assumed that we would always use condoms, and then the first time we were with someone we didn't, and the second time the condom broke as he was putting it on.
Hmm so yeah the only way to be totally safe would be to not do it. Life is all about finding the level of risk you are prepared to take for the rewards you want to get, and I suppose it's important for everyone to think about this balance.
I don't really think anyone has the right to judge someone else for taking risks that only affect them. The grey area is when the risk affects other people too - but the person in the room criticising WBB et al for not using condoms had no right I feel.
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mr x
no precautions, riddled with disease
plays with
mrs y
no precautions
plays with
mrs b
always uses condoms for penetration
I play with mrs b
indulging in some say oral without protection
...but hasn't that risk gone through the roof due to mr x and mrs y?

No. Mrs Y is obviously at significantly increased risk due to her actions, but the risk by the time it gets to you is minimal surely. Do I have the pleasure of addressing Mr Stag or Ms Rose?
The San Fransisco City Clinic ( risk chart suggests that the only thing you can pick up from oral sex on a woman is Herpes, and that this is a rare transmission; and the only thing you can give to someone by doing cunnilingus on them is also Herpes. Herpes is obviously not fun, but I think I'm right in thinking that condoms don't really necessarily protect you from it anyway so given that it's the only thing that could have passed from Mrs Y to Mrs B, your risk level hasn't changed.
If I'm addressing Mr Stag and he's receiving a blowjob from Mrs B, that's again pretty safe for you. Slightly less so for her, but if you don't come in her mouth it's really pretty safe ("extremely low risk" of HIV transmission, for example Again Herpes and genital warts are the main risk.
If you rimmed her you are at slightly more risk, so best not lick anyone's butthole unless you really know where they've been.
We would much prefer to only play with people we trusted; having thought about this a bit we really would prefer to have a closed group of friends that we played with, as this is probably the best way to have group sex with minimal risk.
What other people do is their own affair, I mean it really is none of our business; but we wouldn't feel happy playing with people who do things we don't trust, and we certainly don't approve.
Oh... to go back to what someone said before about people taking it as an insult if you want to use a condom with them - well, fuck them (or rather, don't), if they're not mature enough to let everybody make decisions they feel comfortable with.
Wow, it seems to be sexual health a-go-go around here. Really pleased to see so many people getting involved in a serious discussion, here and on our other thread below.
Well, our standpoint is that you live (hopefully) and learn. We don't use condoms with each other; we hadn't thought of using them for sex toys (ok, Ms T shared a double-ender with someone, and we can't be 100% sure she always had the same end of it...) and our decision at the moment is to not use them for oral sex.
We didn't actually use them for our first swinging encounter; we had intended to but then kind of got bounced into things due to a misunderstanding. That prompted some serious discussions, and tests (and more tests three months later: you know about the sero conversion thing? HIV does not show up in HIV tests until you have had it for three months , which is why it's really important to get tested often, and getting tested right after an encounter may not help)... and a firm commitment to always use condoms and mention that early doors in any swinging meets.
Re oral sex. **please note the following represents only our personal opinions and we respect other people's rights to be more or less careful** On reading the article linked above by Cherrytree - rimming appears to be a high risk activity; and genital warts and herpes are a genuine concern. Most of the diseases on the list are either transmitted by rimming, which we don't do to strangers, or carry a theoretical or unproven risk of transmission.
We did some research of our own a while ago. The one we were mainly interested in was HIV, and the best article we found was this one from the British Medical Journal: Oral sex and HIV transmission
David A Hawkins, from Sexually Transmitted Infections 77 :307-308 (2001). It's available online here but you need an Athens login. We can email you it if you pm us.
Anyway the key quotes were:
"As discussed elsewhere in this issue (see syphilis symposium, pp 309–26) oral sex appears to be important in the resurgence of early infectious syphilis in the United Kingdom. Many of these latter cases have been in HIV positive individuals and it is likely that co-infection with syphilis would increase the risk of (oral) transmission of HIV."
"Vittinghoff et al have come up with an estimate of % following receptive oral intercourse with a known, or possibly HIV infected, partner."
"Receptive fellatio with ejaculation with a known HIV individual is probably the only oral sex activity of sufficient risk to justify consideration of provision of PEP . Additional factors such as a known high viral load in the source, recent dental surgery, pharyngitis, trauma, oral ulceration, or bleeding gums would also increase the likely risk."
"In conclusion, unprotected oral sex carries a risk for the transmission of HIV. It is possible that it may lead to 6–8% of new HIV infections".

...although the UK's public health laboratory estimates 1-3% of HIV cases are due to oral sex, and a recent ten-year study of 100 gay couples where one partner was HIV positive didn't find any instances of transmission through oral sex source .
This is quite good, and this is the San Fransisco city clinic's risk chart - I'd say probably world leaders in the field.
...Basically you pays your money and takes your choice. Syphillis is one we didn't know about before tonight and we're going to look at again. Pleasingly, according to the SFCC chart the only thing you can catch from cunnilingus is herpes - we really don't find dental dams to be much fun, so it's nice that there is one of life's pleasures that we don't have to give up (that of eating stranger pussy - yum!)
Can you tell I'm avoiding doing some work?
Worth pointing out though that everyone is looking for different things.
When we go in the chatrooms - well - we always feel a bit awkward cos we never really know what to say, so the whole social thing doesn't really work for us. That and we really don't like spending ages on chat or msn; we much prefer talking on the phone or actually meeting for a drink. So yes, people who say "I live nearby" are in with a chance because basically the less time we have to spend typing in a chatroom with a load of people we're never going to meet, the better; If we can say, ok, fine, come to the pub down the bottom of our road, we'll be wearing red, that's great. If they don't turn up... we'll have gone to the pub. If they do, we'll have met them and it's far easier to judge people that way we find. Oh... but we almost never (ermmm is it? yeah, actually never) shag in the first date anyway, so living nearby is an advantage, it means we don't have to ask someone to drive up from Birmingham twice. And it is just sexy to know that there are people in the streets you walk down every day who have seen you naked (but again, we never show our faces on cam).
Ms Tomu DOES enjoy giving strip shows, and we've enjoyed having sex on cam; she enjoys the fantasy of actually becoming a stripper or a porn star. Of course we don't enjoy people being abusive or rude.
We don't mind being whispered at - probably prefer it to talking in the main room, and didn't realise people find it so offensive.
In answer to Duncan's point - We agree with the sentiment, that nobody (man, woman or couple) deserves to be objectified and treated as a plaything (unless of course, they want to); but on the other hand we think it's our right to say "this is what we will and won't do", as much as it is yours or anyone else's.
Also read some other people's profiles, and figure out which ones you'd want to reply to and why you like them.
We'd say that blue and pink's is a very good example - lots of informative text so you can see what they want, and (as they've said above) good, creative pictures that actually show some of their bodies. We don't really think you can tell whether someone's sexy from a cock or pussy shot. The pictures also show something of their personality too! (The picture of Mrs Fragglerocks is nice, though!)
(If you don't feel confident doing fancy colour stuff like that though, even just turning them black and white and increasing the contrast makes pictures look a lot more dramatic. you don't need special programs, the ones that came free with your camera can probably do that).
Good luck again!
Hi.
We were wondering how often most people from here get themselves tested. We figured that people's attitudes must differ quite a lot and wondered what the balance was.
We met a guy recently who, in answer to questions about health, said, "Oh don't worry, I'm absolutely clean and very careful." Well - he'd sent us pictures of himself having unprotected sex with a lady he'd met swinging, who herself presumably might have had U.P.S. with other guys, who (etc...); and on further discussion he said that the last time he'd been tested was EIGHT YEARS ago. So - not that careful, then. (And incidentally, we wondered, does she know you're distributing her pictures around the internet?)
So based on that we thought that people's opinions as to what constitutes "careful" must vary quite a lot; at the moment we're getting ourselves tested every three months, always using condoms, and even having second thoughts about oral without, although we think that's probably fairly safe (we did a bit of research).
Anyway what level of safety do you guys feel comfortable with?
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does not make it much harder for newer members to get involved in the scene? If someone has no ratings, are others going to ignore them? How do they get the ratings in the first place?
Would this not also put some people off wanting to meet someone who appears to have 'been around' (the people may never have played, but they have a high rating due to socially knowing a lot of people).

Ok, you've convinced me.
And:
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I'm going to name and shame myself....

Quality.
:-) that's fine, it happens to me every time I see her ass.
Sounds interesting, what's the moral of the story? does anyone decide they like it and sticks with it in the long run and it works out for them, or do they all either split up or stop swinging?
...I just read a review:
"this is more of a cautionary moral tale which treats its subject matter with a fair degree of straight-faced seriousness.
'You always hurt the one you love,' observes narrator Fi For, what was intended as a game — something to spice up some secure, danger-free lives — turns into a negative catalyst. Resentments, suspicions and jealousies are slowly unleashed. Characters realise how they are unable to communicate with their partners. Relationships crumble."

I find this interesting. No matter how open-minded these filmmakers would like to think that they are, it seems that they are unable to think beyond "thou shalt not commit adultery, and thou really shalt not enjoy it..."
...can anyone think of any? Or any kind of adventurous sexual practice, or even being sexual in general. I've been thinking about this and it seems that it's almost always shown as dark or twisted or "they realised they didn't need to have sex with other people and were happier just with each other".
Even filmmakers who consider themselves to be avant-garde or arthouse or outside of the mainstream seem to find it very hard to condone anything other than straight monogamy, preferably in the missionary position. I'd like to find some films that do show it in a good light (ha as opposed to well lit porn), because that will get me out of having to make one...
erm, spoilers below, by the way.
*Eyes wide shut obviously is just silly
*Y tu mama tambien - it was a holiday thing and they never met each other again and she did she die after the movie?
*I haven't seen shortbus but I bet the moral of the story is that it's better not to...
*sex and Lucia... maybe, I can't quite remember that film
We don't really like winks in principle, but we usually have a look at the profile... and the best meet we've ever had came from a wink.
We looked at their pics and thought, nah, too good to be true, must be a fake. Noticed that the name on the pics was not the name on the profile... thought about THAT for a bit... Waited a day or too, thought "what the heck" and wrote to them, arranged a date, they cancelled on the day of the date... (we really had doubts then)
... and then met them a few days after that and they were excellent, and we've seen them several times since. Just goes to show.
I collect
Paper money with pictures of facial hair on it
Socks which are national flags (I like the idea of having Iran on one foot and the USA on the other, although I have yet to find Iranian flag socks)
Shit postcards. My favourite is one from Slovenia, which is a picture of a hole in the ground with some mud in it (closely followed by Tallinn Airport, Pennsylvania Convention Center and the Microtel Inn, Staunton, Virginia).
I think that a positive testimonials-on-your-profile system as used on *ahem* certain other sites is a good thing, basically for the reasons Scandal has mentioned above. I think a list of timewasters is a bad thing - as described by Naughty Wigan Couple it would basically just be open to abuse and wouldn't really be a very edifying experience all round. Plus I can imagine we might end up on it:
* we don't reply to all the messages we get. I know we should but we just don't have much time, and we'd rather be watching a movie or, well, having sex with each other, than endlessly typing "sorry but no thankyou... sorry but no thankyou..."
* we have cancelled meets (what are you gonna do if you wake up the day of the meet with a yeast infection, to add to Fabio's list of "what ifs"?)
* we've met people and not fancied them.
* and as someone said above, we've rejected lots of people. sometimes after replying positively to their first email; maybe when they sent pictures they didn't do it for us, maybe there was something in the tone of the subsequent messages that put us off.
Nobody should feel under any moral obligation to meet/fuck anyone else if they just don't fancy it. Of course you should be polite and honest and respectful of other people's time and stuff but ultimately if you don't want to do something then there shouldn't really be any pressure to do so. Just because you sign up on here you shouldn't expect a long queue of people waiting to fuck you either...
I personally would welcome the opportunity to publicly say nice things about the people we have had nice experiences with. If it helps their chances of getting more action then that's great, particularly if they're single men who as discussed elsewhere already have the numbers against them. Ha maybe there should be a positive reviews sticky on one of the forums, where you can delete anything mean, and put links to from your profile...
We have met several really nice people via the adverts, and we've never met anyone we spoke to on the chat rooms or forum, largely because we never really have time to use them (Ms Tomu is away on holiday for a couple of weeks right now, that's why I've suddenly gone internet crazy...) so you can get success from the ads, you just have to work at it a bit, or maybe we were lucky.
Hi!
You'll find it much easier to find a guy than a lady. Actually it's much easier to find couples than ladies, so you might think about going straight to a foursome.
We had a very good MMF, we put up an ad, got lots of replies, and basically chucked out anyone who we had any concerns about. Picked a few of the best candidates, then that whittled itself down due to trying to find a time when we were all free, but basically we did what foxylady said above - chose someone who we thought seemed reasonable (and sexy enough).
You don't necessarily have to go the forum route, we didn't cos we don't really usually have time to spend loads of it online. But yeah using this site (and other ones to be honest) worked well for us (check our profile photos!).
We've still never managed to "turn" someone we met in real life (but we do think it would be fun. Anyone else done it?)
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can you buy a kit or somthing?

Yeah, i think they range from £10-£20. Ms Tomu probably got ours on the internet but i'd be surprised if you couldn't even get them in Boots.
Long stayer.
A friend of mine once complained about a guy she'd had a one night stand with the day before, who had prematurely ejaculated SEVEN times. She couldn't get any joy out of him. Only lots and lots of jizz. Very quickly. He wasn't even any good at oral, apparently, so she faked an orgasm to make him feel better and went home.
Should I eat soup, or go to the shops?
(kind of like the dice game this)
what is "bump"? I've never understood.
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Can you not do it (emema) too often tomu?

Um, I hadn't heard that. She seems to think it's good for her.
I did a little research and couldn't find any warnings. I did find this though:

I'm saying nothing.
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I think it just has something to do with sticking my dick in the place where the shit comes out !!

On a slightly different topic, what about enemas? When i do it, it feels as though my ass has been possessed by the devil and I don't trust it for a couple of hours afterwards. Ms T does it all the time though, I don't know if she shits naturally at all any more... I mean, at least we can be sure that there will be no poo up there. She says that it's kind of fun to have eliminated altogether one of your basic natural bodily functions
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taste religion - lick a witch

wicked, by the way
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p.s. tomu? spot on! ;)

Ta!
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Heres the deal, if any girls finish above me this season then i will do any dare, at all, that they choose!

You are playing with fire here, I warn you. Girls often do surprisingly well in these games. It seems that firmness of butt and silliness of name are much better predicators of footballing success than - er - whatever guys usually use as criteria.
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at least 38 members

I shall encourage Ms Tomu to enter a team as well. Although since she is not only a girl but also American I doubt she'll be interested. Mind you the thought of 38 members will doubtless arouse her interest.
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This will make it nice & have a buzz around the site on who is the best?

Here is the answer: I am the best!
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Drumroll please!!!
(souness has been ommitted from that list as he is a dirty cheating bassa!)

And shit, as well (Newcastle fan here)