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two_4_more
Over 90 days ago
Straight Male, 43
Bisexual Female, 37
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just realised we'd not put our names down yet, so dean please put us on the list, cheers bud
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Enabling guys to attend on a Saturday wouldn't be a massive issue if it was say a one off or a once a month thing. We don't have children but the majority of couples we know find it easier to get babysitters at a weekend, with the Saturday being easier the a Friday to go to clubs, with less work issues, and more time to actually travel to a club.
The only issue we have with single guys at clubs, is that there are SOME that think that by paying to get in, they have a divine right to have "fun". They follow women/couples around, "hunt" in "packs", are very pushy, and there are even some who don't seem take no for an answer and "forget" to carry condoms!
Don't get us wrong, there are some great guys who go to clubs (mainly off here), but past experience for us has meant we will mainly only go to clubs on a couples only night (generally only venturing out to socials on non-couples nights), if there wasn't a couples only night it would be fair to say we probably would not go.
Perhaps one night a month maybe the first Saturday of the month, making the night before a couples night instead, giving both guys and couples the chance of having a different night to enjoy.
(Just as a p.s. in the interest of fairness, there are some equally pushy couples out there too)
Look forward to checking out the new playrooms by the way!
The only issue we have with single guys at clubs, is that there are SOME that think that by paying to get in, they have a divine right to have "fun". They follow women/couples around, "hunt" in "packs", are very pushy, and there are even some who don't seem take no for an answer and "forget" to carry condoms!
Don't get us wrong, there are some great guys who go to clubs (mainly off here), but past experience for us has meant we will mainly only go to clubs on a couples only night (generally only venturing out to socials on non-couples nights), if there wasn't a couples only night it would be fair to say we probably would not go.
Perhaps one night a month maybe the first Saturday of the month, making the night before a couples night instead, giving both guys and couples the chance of having a different night to enjoy.
(Just as a p.s. in the interest of fairness, there are some equally pushy couples out there too)
Look forward to checking out the new playrooms by the way!
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we know its late notice but we can make this one if there is room for us!
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Quote by Suedehead
Confirm me please Try ... better book a hotel as not letting Two's do it ... want one in the right Town !
pmsl
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can someone remind jiggle that this is next weekend, as he text us to ask us to appologise for him not being able to make it last nigh lol
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Quote by Suedehead
Count me in ... just need Two's to book my room ... otherwise ive got to do it !
All done buddy!!!
Two double rooms, in case you get lucky!
Lol!!
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spacecowboy and cosmicgirl have contacted us to ask us to post on their behalf as their membership is up. They cant make this event now and have a room booked at £30 for this night. If anyone who knows them wants it please get in touch directly via the various other sites/means of communication that we have available lol
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Quote by Dawnie
I honestly think you should pick a date Katehenry and run with it. I am fairly sure you'd fill the place without a worry.
Currently, most people won't say if they can go or not because they have busy lives. If they know when it is and want to come, they can plan their lives round this event.
My personal answer is, depends on the date
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Quote by spankus
Pop us down as almost definite's
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why arent u organising it
we were going to do one in june, mega busy here, but if someone else organises then we can go, takes less time just turning up lol
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Quote by Too Hot
In respect of Suarez and Evra the comment was made that Evra is a liar. That same person suggested in another thread that it is "dangerous" to assume. If you look back at the disciplinary records of Evra and Suarez back through their careers I would say that it would be a safer bet to assume that Suarez will again bring disgrace onto Liverpool Football Club long before Evra will bring disgrace onto Manchester United. The look on Alan Hansens face that night on MOTD said it all for me - Suarez is not in the mold of Liverpool and his behaviour clearly sickened Hansen who indeed is, a true legend of the Club.
To quote the FA themselves from the report of the Suarez saga and the Chelsea groundsman affair, take from a link provided in one of my earlier posts...
336. "We considered it improbable that Mr Evra would act in such a dishonest way in order to damage the reputation of a fellow professional whose footballing skills he admires, with whom he had had no previous run-ins, and who he does not think is a racist."
It was strange that they should describe Evra in such a way, when a few years ago another Independent panel described Patrice Evra as follows:
"We find Mr Evra's description exaggerated... There was no good reason for Mr Evra to have run over and barged Mr Griffin as he did. It was unnecessarily and gratuitously aggressive of Mr Evra... Mr Evra's suggestion that he was concerned about Mr Strudwick's safety is far fetched. They were two grown men having an apparently strong verbal disagreement but no more than that. The clear implication by Mr Evra that Mr Griffin's pitchfork gave some reason for concern about Mr Strudwick's safety is ridiculous... We find Mr Evra's account exaggerated and unreliable. It is an attempt to justify a physical intervention by him which cannot reasonably be justified..."
This is what gives me the opinion that Evra is a liar, the FA believed he was a liar, he has lied before, he will lie again, and all this is without dredging up world cup issues. The problem for Suarez was that Blatter was being openly criticised for his racism comments, and having been so open with their condemnation the FA decided they needed to make their point even further, Suarez became a scapegoat in a witch-hunt. The FA disregarded much of the specialist evidence in order to fit the pre-determined verdict.
What also makes me laugh is the fact that not one of the members of the FA board actually have any experience of playing football at any league level - let alone the top level of national football, and definitely not International level. They are all business men, they need to re-structure, we moan and groan about FIFA but at least Blatter actually played football (and he was apparently not bad at it).
I personally think the PFA and all clubs with foreign players need to take responsibility for some of this. They shouldn't assume that every foreign player know of the "sensitivities" and the "political correctness" that exist in this country. They have a duty of care to the players to ensure that they educate them in the countries culture. they should also give them intensive language courses, highlighting words that can/can't be used, and to ensure they can communicate with referee's etc to improve the game and relations with officials.
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Quote by essex34m
for all your news and views:lol:
and full of lies and deceit... Hillsborough prime example and my reason for never buying
That's exactly it.
Starlight, you say about Murdoch that you can't keep a good man down, yet you recognise that he shut down a newspaper causing hundreds of people to be unemployed, due to Murdoch being the owner of a newspaper which employed people committing crimes, to benefit sales, and therefore Murdoch?
Doesn't sound like a good man to me.
They have not even had the decency to apologise... even after all this time!
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Quote by starlightcouple
for all your news and views
and full of lies and deceit... Hillsborough prime example and my reason for never buying
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Quote by Too Hot
Look - football in this country is governed by the FA, not the CPS. As such football clubs agree to be bound by FA disciplinary rules - it is as simple as that. He was found guilty by a panel abiding by rules that all clubs agree to accept and that is almost the end of the story.
The end of the story is that he assured his team mates and his manager that he would shake hands and move on and he made his manager look an idiot on MOTD.
I dont like football and footballers but when i was growing up Liverpool were a team of great pride and dignity with managers and players of a similar mould who represented their Club, city and country befitting of their status as the No. 1 Club in England and Europe.
Suarez is not worthy of wearing a Liverpool shirt, he has brought disrepute onto the Club and caused them embarressment. The problem may not necessarily be in this country, but the club has global ambitions and it is hardly good for their image to have a player like him in their ranks and drawing unwanted publicity.
Football is governed by the FA that is very much correct, and in that case why has John Terry been taken to court and not just investigated by the FA?
The answer is quite simply this, the FA know there is enough evidence to either convict Terry on a court of law or at the very least (as has been proven) enough for him to be take to court. They simply have washed their hands of it and are waiting for the case to finish before "punishing" Terry in a football way. The very fact that Anton Ferdinand went to the police helped the FA out in a way.
In Suarez's case they obviously realised that no police complaint was going to be made. Evra I imagine knew that it would get no-where. Its my opinion that this complaint was not because Suarez was racist but just an on field spate of "handbags" that has spiralled out of control when Evra threw his toys out of the pram. Evra (and Ferguson) claim they have the moral high ground, that Evra is emotionally scarred by the whole thing, that he can hold his head up high for taking the correct action. I would like to think that the correct action against racism would be to report it to the police as Anton Ferdinand did. There can be only one of three reasons why Evra hasn't: -
1) There was no real "Racist" remark and its an argument that has all got out of hand with neither party willing to back down,
2) Evra has been advised there is not enough evidence and to "leave it"
3) Evra has lied
All in all the FA got what they wanted - a show trial. An opportunity to throw the book at a Non-English footballer accused of racism. It became a witch hunt, based on probability and not actual beyond doubt proof (no evidence, witnesses nor video), sensationalised by the good old English press (calling Suarez a racist - Which the FA and Evra have both said he is not!). Even Suarez's punishment didn't fit in with previous precedent:-
Mackie sat out 3 games (8 game ban 5 suspended) and paid just % of Suarez's fine (Mackie fined £3000, £1500 suspended), Suarez was banned for 8 games and paid a £40,000 fine.
Yes in relation to the fine wages are much greater now, and so should be a bigger fine. But there is a big difference there.
Of course in Mackie's case there were many witnesses - he was basically bang to rights, again this should have gone to court but Asaba accepted an apology. The best thing that could have happened in Suarez's case would have been for Suarez and Dalglish, Ferguson and Evra to be put in a room and discuss it, at the end of the day, the conversation was in Spanish between a French person for whom Spanish is not his first language and a Uruguayan who's Spanish will no doubt have regional differences to the basic Spanish most are taught. Its not like the Terry case were both are English, speaking English is it. Who knows had that have happened they may have all left the room happy that it was all lost in translation?
In regards to Suarez misleading the club, if they fine him, fair play but like I said the guy had to do what was right for him, which he has done.
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Quote by Max777
The link you've provided doesn't work. Shame as I'd like to read it.
Updated max777, dunno what happend, must have copied it wrong and missed a letter or something...
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Why should anyone have to shake anyones hands?
If someone threatened to punch you would you shake thier hand?
If someone accuses you of something you feel you have not done would you shake their hand?
Suarez obviously changed his mind, he said to the club that he would before hand, but when it came to it he obviously decided he wouldn't be two faced and do something he didn't want to do. Its his choice, he feels wronged and im my opinion (having read the whole of the 160 odd pages of FA "evidence"), had the whole thing just been handed to the Police by the FA in the first place, he would have been found not guilty - The Police and CPS work based on "beyond reasonable doubt" as opposed to "a balance of probability" to convict people, and lets face it "a balance of probability" just means i believe his story slightly more then yours, and has nothing to do with evidence.
There was no video evidence of his "alleged" multiple racial remarks, (strange considering it was such a big game live in many countries on many channels, using many cameras) and yet John Terry is caught by two different camera's blatenty using racial terminology. Lets not forget that seconds before they were both involved in a takle, and the camera's seemed to be following them and their argument. Had this gone to the police it would have been Suarez's word against Evra's, and given that Evra started the conversation in spanish, and that Suarez responded in spanish, the Police would have had to use the translation in Uraguayan spanish, which has no direct translation and so therefore no crime was commited. In fact its pretty well know that in those countries racism is not even thought about because there was never really a slave trade there, racism is at its most rampent in the US, UK and europe who were the most active in slavery.
A very good, seemingly unbiased website went through all the evidence and published a very good, readable breakdown explaining why they think the FA were wrong, I highly recomend people have a read and see if it changes opinions, it certainly helped re-enforce mine, even though it explains arguments against Suarez as well: -
If someone threatened to punch you would you shake thier hand?
If someone accuses you of something you feel you have not done would you shake their hand?
Suarez obviously changed his mind, he said to the club that he would before hand, but when it came to it he obviously decided he wouldn't be two faced and do something he didn't want to do. Its his choice, he feels wronged and im my opinion (having read the whole of the 160 odd pages of FA "evidence"), had the whole thing just been handed to the Police by the FA in the first place, he would have been found not guilty - The Police and CPS work based on "beyond reasonable doubt" as opposed to "a balance of probability" to convict people, and lets face it "a balance of probability" just means i believe his story slightly more then yours, and has nothing to do with evidence.
There was no video evidence of his "alleged" multiple racial remarks, (strange considering it was such a big game live in many countries on many channels, using many cameras) and yet John Terry is caught by two different camera's blatenty using racial terminology. Lets not forget that seconds before they were both involved in a takle, and the camera's seemed to be following them and their argument. Had this gone to the police it would have been Suarez's word against Evra's, and given that Evra started the conversation in spanish, and that Suarez responded in spanish, the Police would have had to use the translation in Uraguayan spanish, which has no direct translation and so therefore no crime was commited. In fact its pretty well know that in those countries racism is not even thought about because there was never really a slave trade there, racism is at its most rampent in the US, UK and europe who were the most active in slavery.
A very good, seemingly unbiased website went through all the evidence and published a very good, readable breakdown explaining why they think the FA were wrong, I highly recomend people have a read and see if it changes opinions, it certainly helped re-enforce mine, even though it explains arguments against Suarez as well: -
