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Over 90 days ago
Bisexual Female, 65
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What food, drink or situations cause you to dream and can you remember them clearly afterwards? What do you dream about?
Quote by Sassy-Seren
I hope not! confused I don't see it's any business of employers what your sexual habits are dunno

So why the need for hiding who you are?
This is exactly the point ive been making. Im not an antagonist, im simply trying to promote debate, but, too many people take it personally and go on the attack. Put your thought into the debate, not trying to outwit the last postee or taking umbridge and thinking something was said against you personaly.
If all the swingers in the country were to stand and be counted, AND everyone else could see what a broad spectrum of life, social backgrounds and careers were represented, then society at large might just start to accept swinging as 'normal'
But dont shoot the messenger again, shes fking fed up with it, its just an idea thrown into the melting pot, NOT a personal insult aimed and ANY of YOU
Quote by jaymar
We seem to hear all the time that people are unable to show pics or to show their faces on cam because they have particular jobs .
Swinging is not illegal.
Why are people so ashamed of enjoying sex ?

Nobody said it was Flower, but as Frecklebird rightly said, can you imagine the headlines.."local teacher snapped on swinging website".. the embarassment for the teacher and her pupils. My line of work involves police clearance and to be honest it's my choice that I don't want to be recognised. Swinging for us is fun, it's personal, it's about our sex lives and I don't discuss this with outside people so why would I want them to see my profile and pics?
Do your family members know you swing Flower? If they don't why haven't you told them? As you said it's nothing to be embarassed about.
It's all down to a matter of personal choice lol
Oh yeah, this reminds me.
Ive got an enhanced CRB disclosure to enable me to work with young and vulnerable people.
Ive also got a shotgun licence, which doesnt get granted these days without a lot of phychological checks being done, specially if you have had any counselling or reason to see your GP for depression, which by the way, im not ashamed to admit ive had.
So the system have faith in me, despite knowing im gay, so wheres the problem? Surely, whatever your kinks are or whatever floats your boat, it doesnt make you a pervert or risk to other people? And sex between consenting adults is nothing to be ashamed of surely? Just cos they might happen to be someone elses wife/hubby shouldnt make any difference as long as its consenting?
I thought the thing that made swinging diffferent to adultery was the fact there is honesty and consent?
Sadly after all the posts ive read, the one lating impression im being left with here has nothing to do with the subject.
I think its a pity that personalities creep into debate. Some of you arnt debating or adding your two penn'th to this without an edge of arumentitive aggression.
I post here cos its topical and interesting and I love debating, i hate the undertone.. We dont all choose our words wisely at times and things get misconstrued, but please dont let it degenerate into a slanging match
Quote by MikeNorth
We seem to hear all the time that people are unable to show pics or to show their faces on cam because they have particular jobs .
Swinging is not illegal.
Why are people so ashamed of enjoying sex ?

Anyone who works with children is liable to be deemed unsafe if they are known to indulge in a swinging lifestyle.
Anyone involved in a custody battle for their kid/s is liable to have any knowledge that they are swingers used against them.

Are you trying to say that society feels that anyone with a slightly outside the box sex life is a ?
I have an ex gf who works in an all girls school. Shes lives in fear of being outed because she will loose her job or at least stop being trusted in 1-1 situations with the girls.
I say, come on punk, make my day and i will see you in court, cos no one ever has proved that having a gay mind makes you a kiddy fiddler.
OK, so the consensus is privacy.
So why is there such a strong feeling in Britain against a section of society covering their faces when they go out in public.
Surely they are entitled to privacy too?
Gemini..........are you open to eveyone about your membership here or do you just keep it to the people that you know you can trust?
Yes im open, i tell some who might be interested in swinging and im happy to admit to others if they were to ask.
I wonder what the percentage of swingers to adulterers is?, both are flip sides of the same coin?, yet adultery goes on in much higer numbers, so why would anyone want to condemn a self confesed swinger?
Now that i seem to have a reputation for being controversial (unintentionally i might add), lets see what you all make of this:
ive been in the chat rooms for a few weeks now and noticed that the majority or people set the cam angle so their faces cant be seen.
I think its amusing that people have no inhibitions with showing the most private of body parts and sexual actions yet wont show a face.
In the animal kingdom, the primates/humans are different to all other species because of our facial expressions and the importance they have on communication, hence the opposition to muslim women wearing a full veil.
Humans are also fairly unusual in as much its the female of the species who puts on a show by the use of makeup and clothing where as with animals its the male who has the bright plumage
Why? Wheres the shame of showing your face? Sex isnt dirty, neither is keeping company with others, and as a mate used to say, if your doing something you cant tell others about, you shouldnt be doing it.
Quote by westerross
Tabboo subject................your not here to settle down, its a swinging isnt it?
My first post was to ask if anyone finds love here and i was slagged off for suggesting such a thing.
Is it a vanilla subject?

Can't think why you should've been slagged off about it. Even if it is a vanilla subject, that doesn't rule it out and what's more it's relevant to people here.
The question is perfectly valid.
I think the answer is, more than care to admit it and I think there are quite a few as well.
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I do hope so, and i do notice that there are a hell of a lot of couples in here and swinging works well for them and i would like to find the same for me.
Quote by jaymar
Totally Totally Totally disagree with National Service!
Putting Kids with problems in the Services doesnt help them, and I dont believe it helps "the country" either.
Just My Opinion! bolt
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Fine, leave them on the streets to commit more crime and waste what could be productive lives, OR, why dont YOU come up with a better idea and tell the whole country what your going to do about the problems society has in which teenagers are involved.
I think that was a bit harsh Gem.
Why don't YOU give us some of YOUR ideas?
Is it time for some form of National Service in modern Britain?
Do we need a compulsory national service type "finishing school" for teenagers who need educating, guiding and moulding into shape by valued role models?

You asked two questions yourself, but I haven't read you saying your view and yet you're asking Sam to give us hers :shock:
What? I started this thread with my view, ......national service, and Sam it wasnt meant to be personally harsh or aimed at you, But i dont think doing nothing is an option
In my experience as an employer, some young people are unemployable because they havent been shown how to behave responsibly, how to get up for work, how to stay focused on a full days work, how to conduct themselves at work.
Im sure this is a generation problem, maybe Thatcher is to blame, maybe it was her "greed" get rich quick culture thats made some youngsters now shy away from traditional work.
Dont you hear the reports from the CBI stating that even young people with degrees now days dont have the first clue how to communicate effectivly, how to time manage, how to behave in public? They have all the gear and no idea
Yes kids want jobs, but many arnt ready for work, and as Prince Charles controversially said, we cant all be celebs. Hes right, there arnt enough Posh and Becks type lifestyles out there, some of us HAVE to sweep the sreets, wipe the asses in old folks homes, wait tables etc. And thank God some good people do these less than glam jobs or were all in the shit and society breaks down
Quote by blonde
Totally Totally Totally disagree with National Service!
Putting Kids with problems in the Services doesnt help them, and I dont believe it helps "the country" either.
Just My Opinion! bolt
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Fine, leave them on the streets to commit more crime and waste what could be productive lives, OR, why dont YOU come up with a better idea and tell the whole country what your going to do about the problems society has in which teenagers are involved.
Just to come full circle, this is some of what I wrote, so ive no idea how the post got hijacked into sending teenagers to war, giving them guns, asking them to shoot kiddies in the back, soldiers and shooting civillians?
Is it time for some form of National Service in modern Britain?
Do we need a compulsory national service type "finishing school" for teenagers who need educating, guiding and moulding into shape by valued role models?
I wasnt thinking of national service in the 1950's sense of the word, but certainly some compulsary personal training to instill all the good qualities that seem to be lacking in majority of the youth of today.
The original topic was to ask if some form of national service was needed. As pointed out, this could be in the form of community service. Either way, the important basis should be to teach acceptable behavior, respect for self and others, responsibility, duty and to enable young people to have a better start in life.
It could be paid for by central government. the cost of arson, drugs, crime, lawlessness, etc is huge not to mention the cost in people terms to both offenders and victims alike.
Oh the police must realy love taking women into custody with bags like these. Can you imagain having to catalogue every item before getting the owner to sign.
Quote by Scandal
Send them all off to Iraq where they can put bullets in little kiddies backs.
That'll sort the world out rolleyes

Well out of order and an insult to all the British service personell who are the best trained and disciplined in the world and doing a damn good job they would rather not be doing.
If you feel that strongly about the war, see your democratically elected MP and make your comments to him/her.
How dare you insult our forces in such a way, and you obviously have no idea what its like in a war zone.
PS. My last bf was killed in Iraq, and so have 133 other british forces personell.
Tabboo subject................your not here to settle down, its a swinging isnt it?
My first post was to ask if anyone finds love here and i was slagged off for suggesting such a thing.
Is it a vanilla subject?
Quote by splendid_
I spent time in the forces. I had a tough, tough time. Because of my gender and also because the profession I had, had been "men only" until my joining.
I learnt a lot. Had a relatively good time. Really lived for the time I was in.
Would I change it ? No.
would I wish it on anyone else ? No.
would I bring back national service? No.
Behaviour breeds behaviour. We as a society, shaped and tainted by a totally biased media, hold teenagers up as the vilest things to walk the earth. How do they shake off that image when it is perpetuated by blind f@@king ignorance in people who judge others randomly and with such damning, sanctimonious suggestions, as a national service.
The army "worked" for me. That doesn't mean that it would work for others.... and when you have cut someone down from their army belt fashioned as a noose... and you have cleaned up brains from the shooting range from another person for whom it didn't work... then tell me that someone with poor hygiene who may have also had a troubled life is going to be cured by marching around in green clothes.
get a flippin' grip.
rolleyes

Splendid, this is what i wrote earlier
"I wasnt thinking of national service in the 1950's sense of the word, but certainly some compulsary personal training to instill all the good qualities that seem to be lacking in majority of the youth of today."
We all remember stories from yesteryear of beastings by sadistic corporals, but have you seen any of the Brat Camp type TV progs where kids are helped to see the error of their ways by removing them from socity and isolating them so they have to face reality, and it transforms most into people they and others can be proud of, so it does work on all levels for all teens
This kid isnt rude or rebelious to me, but after making him see its wrong to leave a mess on the toilet seat, he did it again.
AS i also said, ive spoken with the landlord. The kid lived in another of landlords houses 2 streets from here and had to be moved out following complaints from neighbours to do with rowdy callers at all hours, damage to vehicles and property and all night parties. Im stamping down before it gets out of hand.
Im not social services, im not a charity and i do believe in second chances. He had one and blew it. This is MY home and i wont tollerate him for a moment longer and what happens after that isnt my concern, Im NOT social services or a charity
Well Darkfire, no matter how angry inside i am and whotever i write here, i havent been rude or lost my temper with the kid, ..his mate however got an earfull and with good reason. Ive just been downstairs to tell another door banger to bugger off. For all i know, the kid is a drug dealer, hes only been here 68 hours and his druggie mates are calling. JB and I have just got over the hassle at xmas.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh LP, ive come over all feint now, what with those eyes and your stern manner
Can we play drill and manoveres later?
Quote by Darkfire
Just called landlord, said i wasnt paying rent for every day the kid is in the house, explained why and he said 'OH no, we had to give him a chance but i will move him out today"
It seems the kid has a history and clearly doesnt know how to live in civilised company.

Did the landlord, or you, or anyone else in the house bother to introduce yourselves, sit down over a cuppa and establish some form of relationship and more importantly ground rules before you waded in being a bit heavy handed laying the law down?
I have complete empathy with you that his behaviour is inappropraite and is making you mad, but, disrespect breeds disrespect and when you are aware that there is 'some history' with this lad, its also highly likley that he's very familiar with irate people like you banging on his door in a confrontatinal manner, and it will get you nowhere - other than another young adult being shifted from pillar to post because in all likelihood doesnt know what is acceptable or not because no-one's bothered to sit and explain it rationally.
What does JB think to this, btw? from a 'reformed character' point of view.
Darkfire
I didnt bang on his door in an irate manner, i treated him like an adult, asked for his time and help in resolution. I havent been disrespectful at any time. Taking the moral high ground from the outset puts me in an unassailable position later.
Im the responsible adult here and need to show that.
The first i knew of them moving in was when i went downstairs on wed afternoon and saw a stranger in the hall way with a binbag. I asked who she was and what she was doing.
The landlord is just here to make money, not run a social club, ....hes not interrested in social ettiquette
JB, is an evangelical born again christian who sees the good in everyone, including the drug dealing slag we had here at xmas, hes non confrontational and a wimp when it comes to problems, besides he was out last night and sleeps all day
Most of my "men" have been military. I dont conciously check to see if hes military before i decide to manouver......( a man chases a woman till she catches him), but i guess the way they behave attracts me and its all because of the training and discipline.
I wasnt thinking of national service in the 1950's sense of the word, but certainly some compulsary personal training to instill all the good qualities that seem to be lacking in majority of the youth of today.
I was raging inside but didnt blow my top. I remembered how my step dad would handle the situation and applied accordingly. As much as i hated step dad, he taught me, ....through beating and punishment....how to behave and do the right thing. Well there is a right and wrong way to do things, he was wrong, but same end result.
Im not advocating beating and harsh treatment unless its a last resort with the real hard nuts who cant learn any other way.
I treated the kid as an adult, asked for his help with "our" problem, and made it clear though superior attitude and posturing that he had to find the solution.
I had hoped he would see the importance of acting resposibly, but when he pissed on the seat this morning, i knew the lesson wasnt learned, so the stick has come out and ive evicted him.
Cant remember when the first was, but its happened in many places. Back of a lorry, a tractor (ouch, all those knobs and levers), hay shed, stables, fields, woods, company car and building site. To name a few biggrin
My main storage place for "essential" stuff is the glove box in my work van.
It contains
A tin of stella
Tin of red bull
condoms
Tampons
lippy, lip gloss
eye liner
perfume
1 pair of knix
pens
Just hope no one knicks my knix or stella mad
Is it time for some form of National Service in modern Britain?
I live in a shared house. Ive shared with JB, a 30 yr old single guy, a reformed bad boy whos now found God and changed his ways. Hes quiet, respectful and good company.
On Wednesday, all hell let loose when the landlord moved 2 kids in. Shes late teens, sheepish, hes late teens, cropped hair, gelled down, pasty white skin, constantly sniffing no doubt due to his sinuses rebelling at the nicotene cloud he lives in and looks shifty. ( yes im sounding like my mum i kno)
First the stench of nicotene, the loudess of music, the constant bumping of walls, stamp stamp stamp up and down stairs at all hours, then finding the front door unlocked at all hours, the mess left in the kitchen.
Last night i had not long got in from work, just logged on to here actually, sat reading and WTF. I thought the front door was coming off the hinges. I looked out the window and some spotty faced kid with a tin of beer was bashing down the front door. I settled back into reading mail and the noise continued. I snapped and went down stairs in my tee shirt and knix, opened the unlocked door and told the kid to fk off, he started pulling faces and i stepped out into the road and told him to run while he could, ....and he did. Man over the road looking through curtians was impressed!!
I went down stairs for a wee at 7ish to find a big lump of green snot on the tiolet seat. Stormed up to the kids room and asked for some of his time, marched him down and asked him to identify the lump on the seat. Mumbled grunts followed, and he cleaned it off, appologied and swore it wouldnt happen again.
I later went out to get a take away, ....door unlocked, so i locked it, went up road, came back 10 mins later, ......door unlocked again. Deep breath, dont over react Amy.
Went to the loo at 8 this morning and checked the loo seat before sitting, .... dirty little **** has pissed all over it. The kitchen is trashed, washing up left, a lump of cheese on the floor, the bin stinks of fag ends.
Just called landlord, said i wasnt paying rent for every day the kid is in the house, explained why and he said 'OH no, we had to give him a chance but i will move him out today"
It seems the kid has a history and clearly doesnt know how to live in civilised company.
Whos fault is this?, i know hes got a dad, possibly a mum too, so why is he a wild animal.
Yeah, i know some of you are parents of teenagers and your going to say they can be a handful, but im sure they dont behave like this?
Do we need a compulsory national service type "finishing school" for teenagers who need educating, guiding and moulding into shape by valued role models?
I dont use a handbag unless is a formal evening. I have my phone and wallet, and a pocket full of change. Whats In my wallet is another story but includes a condom, 2 bank cards, drivers license, Ceasars club membership card, ski lift passes from 8 yrs ago, passport photos, toothpick/floss, building trade cards, fluff, reciepts, and..............PAPER CASH
I think carrying a bag is an advert to mugers, it has been forgotten in the past and left behind and it gets in the way. Besides, where does one keep it while at work? Hang it on a nail? If im wearing a jacket, i keet it in an inside pocket, but it does spoil the shape of my size 10 ass
3 main injuries, an embolism after a diving accident has left me with a perforated lung and scar tissue wont heal, hence the cough, same ankle broken twice, once skydiving, once on site,( only injury after 143 freefall jumps) and 2 collapsed discs L3&4
Better to wear out than to rust out
All this talk of a bi fems "role" puts this image in my mind of a cross between a hooker/olympic athlete/ sex therapist whos on a mission to provide a night of unforgettable passion.
Is she expected to sleep all day before and fill up on carbs so shes awake and perky with lots of stamina? Does she then have to judge the moment to sneak out of the room and leave discretely so as not to disturb the couple?
To me, this is one stop from prostitution without the money passing hands
On my first and only so far club experience, i was in the club for 7 hours, most of that time playing and chilling with "my" couple and another couple who are friends of theirs.
Come 4am ish i got dressed and was saying my goodbyes when a guy said he had been watching me all night and it was such a pity we hadnt had time to chat.
FFS, if 7 hours isnt long enough for someone to say hi then what hope is there.
Over the yrs ive joined several dating agencies and had a date arranged with well over 60 men. Many stood me up, some turned up, pissed to the eyeballs for dutch courage and some turned up innapropriately dressed- stinking dirty clothes straight from work or dressed over the top for a pub.
A fair few were sober and well presented but were like frightened rabbits in the headlights, some had nothing to talkabout, one guy brought his 11 yr old daughter cos he couldnt get a babysitter, some wanted counselling and talked all night about the ex wife.
Its a lottery, but not helped by men who loose their bottle.
Just cos its a man, dont go thinking hes a confident man about town or Swiss Tony.
Im just loving this debate and thread.
Probably cos i can already relate to some of whats been said and its also about the psychology behind multiple relationships and thinking outside the steryotypical social behavior box
This is starting to touch some of the subject points i failed to comprehend enough and therefore didnt explain clearly when i made some of my first posts
Theres exciting isnt it look you see biggrin
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I must confess
I was attempting to remove my sisters tonsils with a rug hook and it got caught round the dangly thing at the back of the throat. She started screaming and crying and in my panic, i yanked it out followed by a whole load of blood.
Mum came running the room and i explained that i tried to stop her putting the hook in her mouth in the first place and that I prevented her from choking too.
After a trip to the doctors, we were consoled/rewarded with jelly and icecream, and my job title changed from surgeon to nurse. rolleyes

you were WHAT :shock: :shock: :shock:
I wont sleep tonight after reading that cos there's only 69 miles between us
It made a change to play REAL doctors and nurses, where i actually got to opperate rather than the USUAL game where i was in constant labour and needed lots of examinations prior to giving birth........To be followed up by a game of house or mums and dads, where i would get pregnant and have a baby...(see docs and nurses)
By the time i got to twelve, i was into shooting( .410 and .22) so it had no lasting psychological damage
Now theres an oxymoron
Jaymar, when did many people have COMMON sense?
Its very UN common
But to those of us who have a conscience , a heart, and are aware of our surroundings its the natural thing to do
I still get dozens of messages from single men, i still get wispers, even when i blow my top and bollock them, so i guess THEY are the types who treat SBF's in this shameful way. Selfish, ignorant and pathetic