Agreed.
Professional views and personal views can be kept apart, and as the BNP isn't illegal, then they should have the right to believe and support what ever organisation they wish, provided it doesn't spill over into the workplace.
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As a former Royal Engineer my view is that only being allowed to build a foot bridge shows a lack of ambition by the authoritys.
Let the army build a Medium Girder bridge that will take the weight of vehicles.
Building bridges quickly is the stock in trade of the Royal Engineers who have the manpower, equipment, and knowhow. Just let them to do it and they will.
Simples!!
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Missing kit will include body armour. Yes, it's available, but not in the numbers required. Before any troops can leave base camp they MUST have the correct body armour or they are not allowed to leave, simple as that. They wont allow them out without it. This means we have troops over there who cannot do the job purely because there isn't enough body armour to send out the number of troops they want to for any given operation.
That's one of the reasons we cannot operate as effectively as we want to out there.
Mal
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Son, we live in a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and curse the Marines; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives and that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
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We are patrolling. This is a key skill that enforces hearts and minds, gathers intel, denies overt use of the ground by the enemy and may more tasks that need to be carried out.
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Thanks again for debating this issue , it really is a joy to have an adult disucussion without being insulted or made to feel like a pariah. I hope this thread stays that way.
Going back to the bit Ive quoted, I understnd these things are important. Are there any cleverer ways of achieving the same things. For instance having strategically placed watchtowers/ forts. I dont know, I just wondered if there were any obvious alternatives that a mind other than mine can devise.
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I certainly can't be as restrained as suffolk-cpl and I sincerely hope that you have the ignorance and temerity to vocalise your ill-thought out opinion in a place with serving military.
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The situation in Afghanistan is way too serious for meally mouthed hero worhipping.
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People are dying unecessarily.
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The blame for this lies with the soldiers, their leaders and their leaders leaders.
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Avoiding discussion of what is primarily a deeply flawed set of objectives and a seriously incompetent action plan will simply lead to more senseless deaths.
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Until the military at all levels start to make noises about changing how they do things rather than demanding more soldiers and more equipment I will continue to think they are incompetent.
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Risking your life voluntarily for cash does not make you a hero nor does dying as a result.
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I would add that I think far more people would have far more to say about the stupidity of this conflict if we needed conscription. Even then this ridiculous mentality of "you cant knock the military they do a great job" would get in the way, just as it did in vietnam.
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We buried a brave soldier here last wednesday i hope his life has not gone sjt Paul McAleese RIP
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Fair point suffolk and humorously put.
I will accept that there isnt an endemic gung ho attitude if just one of those serving soldiers will come on to the forum and state that they think it is foolish to undertake foot patrols in Afghanistan.
To refute your lovely ironic retort I really should point out that the Taliban kind of have a reaon to fight, being both Afgani and the incumbent government until we invaded.
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It is rather foolish to think that the activities of our armed forces are dictated by Gordon Brown or the "Governement", whatever that phrase is intended to mean. Miliatry activity on a day to day basis is far more in the hands of the senior military officers as are tactical decisions.
I still think our military cant find its arse with both hands in terms of the necessary strategic and tactical thinking to oeprate in modern war environements. If anybody can tell me what our current official goals are in Afghanistan and how these are being measured I would like to be told.
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I find it quite hard to be proud of the job our soldiers ared doing, partly because they have a free choice to do it and partly because the servicemen who choose to do this job are often mad keen to tackle "the ragheads" This mentality seems to be endemic throughout the ranks.
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Its about time we started to learn some lessons and our military started to revise their strategic thinking and the values they instil in their personnel.