So why are you in the doghouse at the moment?
I'll kick off with using the microwave to heat some kippers. How was I to know the smell was gonna linger for a week (and counting).
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Jewlnmart
Over 90 days ago
Bi-curious Female, 54
Straight Male, 55
0 miles · Wiltshire
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Master of Sex
Both my parents planned and paid for their funerals. They kept the full details secret from us, so on my mothers funeral it raised a few eyebrows and even more smiles as Status Quo's 'Down, down' was played as her coffing lowered out of sight at the crematorium. Shudder to think what Dad has planned.
Master of Sex
Quote by flower411
It`s amazing that everybody arguing for tuition fees to be paid by the taxpayer brings doctors into the equation !!!
And those arguing against always bring lawyers and bankers into the equation.
You don't need do have contact with a graduate to benefit from their input.
Master of Sex
Quote by Dave__Notts
Dave,
It would seem we have similar backgrounds. I'm a farm worker, coucil housed raised, son of a char lady and a truck driver and my daughter was the first in my extended family to go to university (Biochem at Aberystwyth). Currently all universities are charging the same fees, so he has gone for a university he can afford and has a place at a top university on merit. His younger brother on the other hand (who is amongst the top 250 mathematicians for his age in the UK) would be indebted to over £40,000 if he tries to follow a similar path to his brother. The top universtites (The Russell group) encompass far more than Oxbridge and will always be the aim for top students and means he will not only pay back his student loans and other debts, but will also pay back more income tax. But if bluefish had his way even a second rate university could be out of the question.
Just out of curiosty how much was your tuition fees for you and your brothers degrees?
I left with just under £20,000 of debt that I had to pay off in 5 years after graduation. I can't remember how much they were.
The fees I am paying now is £450 per module for another course I have signed up to. In addition it is costing us about £1000 every 2-3 months to help the eldest even though she gets all the loans available.
Is it fair? I am glad it is not the American way as this is a lot cheaper and available to all rather than just the minority. It isn't the best system, but then again it is not the worst either.
Once your son gets his education and being in the top 250 in the country then he will eligible to undertake work on a pay that is commensurate with being within the top 250 of his field where £40,00 is not that much in a lifetime of working in his chosen sphere of work.
Dave_Notts
So you had £20,000 of debts without having to pay tuition fees. Tuition fees will account for £36,000 in my youngest sons case before any debt inccured for living costs and having a life outside of studies. Coming from a household whose combined income is £25,000 a year it's easy to see why it's a tough decision to burden himself with a massive debt aged 22. All my children consider a university education a privilage and all agree that they should make a contribution towards this, but common sense means they would rather pay through taxation when they are earning the high salaries they could potentially recieve rather than burden themselves with a debt bigger than some peoples mortgage.
Master of Sex
Quote by Dave__Notts
Then go to a university that they can afford.
I would love a Porsche but make do with a Vauxhall. Why should others have to pay for my choices?
Dave_Notts
What would be the point of getting a degree from a second rate university? It wouldn't give him the opportunities that a degree from a Russell group university would and he'd end up doing a job he could get straight from school. You would rather higher education became the preserve of the wealthy rather than our brightest minds from what ever background.
In a perfect society your way would be the best. In the real world, people have to start somewhere. My family had feck all and not one person in our whole family had been to university. My brother enrolled in a "second rate" university and got his education that allowed him to progress to now owning two businesses and employing 25+ people. I enrolled in a "second rate" university and have a job that pays a lot more than I used to get. This may not seem a lot to many but for two council house lads from N Wales I feel it is something that we have done on our own and paid for it on our own.
I believe that the Oxbridge elitism should be rubbed out and not the cost that you are eluding to. All universities should have the same courses and carry the same value. Putting Oxbridge students as better than others is fuelling this elitism and the void is getting bigger if the "poor" want to and join the club.
Dave_Notts
Dave,
It would seem we have similar backgrounds. I'm a farm worker, coucil housed raised, son of a char lady and a truck driver and my daughter was the first in my extended family to go to university (Biochem at Aberystwyth). Currently all universities are charging the same fees, so he has gone for a university he can afford and has a place at a top university on merit. His younger brother on the other hand (who is amongst the top 250 mathematicians for his age in the UK) would be indebted to over £40,000 if he tries to follow a similar path to his brother. The top universtites (The Russell group) encompass far more than Oxbridge and will always be the aim for top students and means he will not only pay back his student loans and other debts, but will also pay back more income tax. But if bluefish had his way even a second rate university could be out of the question.
Just out of curiosty how much was your tuition fees for you and your brothers degrees?
Master of Sex
Quote by Dave__Notts
Then go to a university that they can afford.
I would love a Porsche but make do with a Vauxhall. Why should others have to pay for my choices?
Dave_Notts
What would be the point of getting a degree from a second rate university? It wouldn't give him the opportunities that a degree from a Russell group university would and he'd end up doing a job he could get straight from school. You would rather higher education became the preserve of the wealthy rather than our brightest minds from what ever background.
Master of Sex
Quote by Dave__Notts
Blue I am myself probably paying more council tax than I would have been paying poll tax.....that is not the point....taxation should be based on ability to pay not self interest
Just as those who can afford an higher education should pay for it, rather than me paying for it
But what about those who can't afford higher education, but are worthy of it?
There are systems in place to allow them to afford it. They do not want to take the opportunity to take it. Their choice.
In other countries they are not given loans to help them, at least this country gives everybody a chance to gain higher education with a "learn now, pay later" choice.
Dave_Notts
But bluefish appears to be suggesting we do away with this Dave. If it wasn't for student loans and the current cap on what Universities charge there's no way my son could afford to study at Oxford.
Master of Sex
Quote by Bluefish2009
Blue I am myself probably paying more council tax than I would have been paying poll tax.....that is not the point....taxation should be based on ability to pay not self interest
Just as those who can afford an higher education should pay for it, rather than me paying for it
But what about those who can't afford higher education, but are worthy of it?
Master of Sex
Just keep it simple Corrie.
Shove an onion up it's arse, add a couple of knobs of lard on the breast and then cover the whole bird in streaky bacon. Cover with foil then roast for 20 minutes per lb and 20 minutes extra. Just check the juices run clear to be sure it's cooked.
Shove an onion up it's arse, add a couple of knobs of lard on the breast and then cover the whole bird in streaky bacon. Cover with foil then roast for 20 minutes per lb and 20 minutes extra. Just check the juices run clear to be sure it's cooked.
Master of Sex
Quote by Bluefish2009
Blue,
Is it a blanket cull you favour in TB infected areas?
No, not blanket, each case on its Merritt's.
Care to elaborate?
I come from a standpoint that it worked on a farm which had a cull in the mid ninety's.
I meant elaborate on how you would select culling on it's merits.
Master of Sex
Quote by HnS
Bouncy,
What was the number 1 record those 40 years ago on your birthday ?
All well and good but when I was born Rolf Harris' 'Two little boys' was number one in the charts. Might have attracted some undesirable attention if I had used that as a theme for my 40th
Mind you Jewls 40 in January. Might use it as a theme for her party. Clive Dunn "Grandad" was number one.
