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Gryphon
Over 90 days ago
Straight Male, 54
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Ouch! :shock:
Anyway, surely that only works until the pressure builds up sufficiently to blow the cork out...?! :moon: :scared:
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Sorry, let me try that again...
Evenin' All!
How are things in here tonight? - and who's getting the round in? :P
G xx
Anyway, surely that only works until the pressure builds up sufficiently to blow the cork out...?! :moon: :scared:
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Sorry, let me try that again...
Evenin' All!
How are things in here tonight? - and who's getting the round in? :P G xx
Who the feck has left all this mess?! There are nuts and cheesy things all over the bleedin' place. Honestly...
AND I've just stood in somebody's misplaced dessert - who left the strawberry flan and the cream out?!
AND it's bloody quiet in here at the moment, although I guess that's what you get for being late (!).
At least I can have the jacuzzi to myself for a change but as it'slate I might just curl up in the corner and save the dip for when I wake up in the morning.
AND I've just stood in somebody's misplaced dessert - who left the strawberry flan and the cream out?!
AND it's bloody quiet in here at the moment, although I guess that's what you get for being late (!).
At least I can have the jacuzzi to myself for a change but as it'slate I might just curl up in the corner and save the dip for when I wake up in the morning.
It's just a mythology thing really and the griffin was always the magical creature I liked as a kid. I was gonna use "Griffin" - but in most places on the net some other bugger's already blagged that one, so I thought I'd use the more unusual variant of the spelling instead. I does tend to confuse people though...
Ho hum.
G.
Ho hum.
G.
Oh, dear God... (!!) :shock: :scared:
Seeing as I've been out at work all day, I thought I'd quickly pop my head into the forum and this thread in particular, just to see what new levels of lunacy you had all reached...
...that was about an hour ago :!: - I made the mistake of thinking that it would be a good idea to go through the thread from the start (just so I didn't miss anything :grin: ).
:laughabove: 
:cheers: 
You are ALL completely certifiable.
:haha:
I wish I had a digital camera...
Seeing as I've been out at work all day, I thought I'd quickly pop my head into the forum and this thread in particular, just to see what new levels of lunacy you had all reached...
...that was about an hour ago :!: - I made the mistake of thinking that it would be a good idea to go through the thread from the start (just so I didn't miss anything :grin: ).
:laughabove: :cheers: You are ALL completely certifiable.
:haha: I wish I had a digital camera...
As a medic, I've been watching this thread and its predecessor - there's a lot of good commonsense advice in here, much of it the result of genuine personal experience. (Without trying to single out any one in particular, I'm thinking very much of comments by Neil in the fourth post in this thread and Mike in the eleventh post - both say pretty much what I would say.)
I'm very fortunate in that I've never really had significant problems in this area (at least none that didn't resolve spontaneously) but I have known many friends who have and had one relationship that simply imploded because of it. It is such a shame that much of society still sees any sort of mental health problem with nineteenth century vision!
The biggest problem with discussing depression is that the word alone means different things to different people:
1. depression meaning the same as sadness
2. depression meaning a more complex mood state, but not pathological
3. depression as a pathological symptom
4. depression as a diagnostic category
1. Depression as "sadness"
“I am depressed because my grandmother died last
Sadness is a normal emotional response to the loss of a person or thing to which we are attached, or sometimes the loss of a hope or ambition. It would be very wrong to regard this in terms of "disease." We can assume that the depressed or sad mood has an associated neurochemical state, but this doesn't mean there is a disorder.
2. Depression as a more complex mood state
We all have mood states in which we would describe ourselves as feeling depressed. This is often a mixture of emotions, and may include:
1. lowered self esteem
2. irritation or anger
3. a sense of helplessness
4. a degree of sadness
“I am depressed because I did not get the promotion I was expecting. The guy who got it joined the firm after me and is less
3. Depression as a pathological symptom
“I've been feeling depressed for four months. I feel terrible most of the time. It all started when I did not get the promotion I was expecting. The guy who got it joined the firm after me and is less
4. Depression as a diagnostic category
Medical practice identifies depression as a disorder by looking for clusters of specific features and symptoms.
“I've been feeling depressed for four months. I feel terrible most of the time. It all started when I did not get the promotion I was expecting. The guy who got it joined the firm after me and is less experienced. Now I've not got the energy to get through the working day, and I've had to take time off. I waken at 5 in the morning and worry about the next day. I know its my own fault, I've never been up to the job. I can't eat and I've lost half a
If a person experiences depressed mood which is prolonged and intense, like the man in the case above, we may suspect that he is suffering from a depressive disorder. The signs that are frequently used as diagnostic indicators include a number of biological symptoms commonly found in depressive disorder:
1. disturbed, commonly waking in the early morning after only three or four hours sleep.
2. appetite is reduced and weight decreases
3. the mood pattern changes in a daily rhythm, often being worse in the morning and improving slightly during the day (this may be referred to as "diurnal variation").
4. sexual interest is reduced
5. constipation may occur.
6. sometimes an inability to cry is also seen
A person who suffers from a depressive disorder cannot 'shake it off'. At this stage intervention is very helpful - true clinical depression is unlikely to be resolved without it. It's absolutely true to say that the benefits of intervention are maximised when other support is given alongside drugs - counselling and/or cognitive behaviour therapy - and simply the open support of friends and family.
It's also worth mentioning that where sleep disruption is an important factor in depression then that should also be considered for treatment as a key part of the management strategy (not for nothing is sleep deprivation used as a form of torture!).
Whilst I would in no way belittle the personal experiences of friends and fellow posters here at SH, I have to say that discussion of "sectioning" under the Mental Health Act or the use of ECT is premature and probably unhelpful here (depression on it's own is not really cause for involuntary admission!). The understanding that we have of depression grows all the time and it's a rare beast in that it is a mental health problem for which we have a relatively good biochemical model of what's actually happening - which is why new drugs are becoming more and more specific and, for many people, very effective.
The support of friends and family in helping someone to accept that they should seek further help is very important - this is often the most difficult step in the whole process. The pros and cons of exactly which treatment is best for any individual patient is really something that should be discussed with their family doctor or other professionals directly involved in their care. That said, as a general comment it is very true that due consideration should be given to drug interactions and that MUST include over-the-counter and alternative or complementary therapies (eg St John's Wort, which is believed to work in a similar way to SSRI antidepressants) - so tell your doctor what you are or have been taking! The way in which treatment finishes is also important - ideally there should be agreement between the patient and the doctor about both the when and the how so that a controlled withdrawl can be properly achieved where that is required (and in many cases this is the preferred approach).
Phew - that was longer than I intended! I'm sorry if it's a little non-specific but I hope you can appreciate that it would inappropriate make anything other than general comments in a forum like this. I do sympathise and it's been on my mind too as I've also spent many hours recently persuading a friend and colleague who was very afraid of the potential for stigmatisation, especially professionally, that she really did need to seek help for her depression. She has now been to see her GP who started her on fluoxetine and after a brief rough period (it can take a little while for the body to adapt!) she has very much levelled off and is sowly climbing in terms of both her mood and her outlook - about which I'm much relieved.
I wish you all the very best! (I'll stop short of doing the whole Frasier Crane thing and "wishing you all good mental health"...)
Regards,
G xx
I'm very fortunate in that I've never really had significant problems in this area (at least none that didn't resolve spontaneously) but I have known many friends who have and had one relationship that simply imploded because of it. It is such a shame that much of society still sees any sort of mental health problem with nineteenth century vision!
The biggest problem with discussing depression is that the word alone means different things to different people:
1. depression meaning the same as sadness
2. depression meaning a more complex mood state, but not pathological
3. depression as a pathological symptom
4. depression as a diagnostic category
1. Depression as "sadness"
“I am depressed because my grandmother died last
Sadness is a normal emotional response to the loss of a person or thing to which we are attached, or sometimes the loss of a hope or ambition. It would be very wrong to regard this in terms of "disease." We can assume that the depressed or sad mood has an associated neurochemical state, but this doesn't mean there is a disorder.
2. Depression as a more complex mood state
We all have mood states in which we would describe ourselves as feeling depressed. This is often a mixture of emotions, and may include:
1. lowered self esteem
2. irritation or anger
3. a sense of helplessness
4. a degree of sadness
“I am depressed because I did not get the promotion I was expecting. The guy who got it joined the firm after me and is less
3. Depression as a pathological symptom
“I've been feeling depressed for four months. I feel terrible most of the time. It all started when I did not get the promotion I was expecting. The guy who got it joined the firm after me and is less
4. Depression as a diagnostic category
Medical practice identifies depression as a disorder by looking for clusters of specific features and symptoms.
“I've been feeling depressed for four months. I feel terrible most of the time. It all started when I did not get the promotion I was expecting. The guy who got it joined the firm after me and is less experienced. Now I've not got the energy to get through the working day, and I've had to take time off. I waken at 5 in the morning and worry about the next day. I know its my own fault, I've never been up to the job. I can't eat and I've lost half a
If a person experiences depressed mood which is prolonged and intense, like the man in the case above, we may suspect that he is suffering from a depressive disorder. The signs that are frequently used as diagnostic indicators include a number of biological symptoms commonly found in depressive disorder:
1. disturbed, commonly waking in the early morning after only three or four hours sleep.
2. appetite is reduced and weight decreases
3. the mood pattern changes in a daily rhythm, often being worse in the morning and improving slightly during the day (this may be referred to as "diurnal variation").
4. sexual interest is reduced
5. constipation may occur.
6. sometimes an inability to cry is also seen
A person who suffers from a depressive disorder cannot 'shake it off'. At this stage intervention is very helpful - true clinical depression is unlikely to be resolved without it. It's absolutely true to say that the benefits of intervention are maximised when other support is given alongside drugs - counselling and/or cognitive behaviour therapy - and simply the open support of friends and family.
It's also worth mentioning that where sleep disruption is an important factor in depression then that should also be considered for treatment as a key part of the management strategy (not for nothing is sleep deprivation used as a form of torture!).
Whilst I would in no way belittle the personal experiences of friends and fellow posters here at SH, I have to say that discussion of "sectioning" under the Mental Health Act or the use of ECT is premature and probably unhelpful here (depression on it's own is not really cause for involuntary admission!). The understanding that we have of depression grows all the time and it's a rare beast in that it is a mental health problem for which we have a relatively good biochemical model of what's actually happening - which is why new drugs are becoming more and more specific and, for many people, very effective.
The support of friends and family in helping someone to accept that they should seek further help is very important - this is often the most difficult step in the whole process. The pros and cons of exactly which treatment is best for any individual patient is really something that should be discussed with their family doctor or other professionals directly involved in their care. That said, as a general comment it is very true that due consideration should be given to drug interactions and that MUST include over-the-counter and alternative or complementary therapies (eg St John's Wort, which is believed to work in a similar way to SSRI antidepressants) - so tell your doctor what you are or have been taking! The way in which treatment finishes is also important - ideally there should be agreement between the patient and the doctor about both the when and the how so that a controlled withdrawl can be properly achieved where that is required (and in many cases this is the preferred approach).
Phew - that was longer than I intended! I'm sorry if it's a little non-specific but I hope you can appreciate that it would inappropriate make anything other than general comments in a forum like this. I do sympathise and it's been on my mind too as I've also spent many hours recently persuading a friend and colleague who was very afraid of the potential for stigmatisation, especially professionally, that she really did need to seek help for her depression. She has now been to see her GP who started her on fluoxetine and after a brief rough period (it can take a little while for the body to adapt!) she has very much levelled off and is sowly climbing in terms of both her mood and her outlook - about which I'm much relieved.
I wish you all the very best! (I'll stop short of doing the whole Frasier Crane thing and "wishing you all good mental health"...)
Regards,
G xx
Well the SW bit is the same - isn't that close enough...?!
You inspired me to go downstairs and make one - but I got there and discovered that all I'd got was Lagavulin! GREAT whisky, but would taste feckin' awful in a toddy!
Was very upset til I discovered the end of a bottle of vanilla vodka in the freezer!
You inspired me to go downstairs and make one - but I got there and discovered that all I'd got was Lagavulin! GREAT whisky, but would taste feckin' awful in a toddy!
Was very upset til I discovered the end of a bottle of vanilla vodka in the freezer!
I can think of a few people I wouldn't mind meeting in a jacuzzi... :P
Seriously, I'd offer the invite myself if I had a hot tub that would fit you all (or indeed any sort of hot tub at all!). I'm off for an hour to eat and watch "Green Wing" - but I'll be back when it's finished!
Where's my Old Speck?! :cheers:
G
Seriously, I'd offer the invite myself if I had a hot tub that would fit you all (or indeed any sort of hot tub at all!). I'm off for an hour to eat and watch "Green Wing" - but I'll be back when it's finished!
Where's my Old Speck?! :cheers:
G
Hi, all! Good to see that the weekly lunacy session is still alive and well...
Back on-line in a new house - with wireless broadband too! Heaven! :bounce:
Mr FC - it's Old Speck this week is it? That'll do NICELY! :P
Who's bringing the take-out feast then...? I don't care much if it's a Chinese banquet, multiple Indian dishes or just shit-loads of pizza cos it's been a MAD week at work and I REALLY can't be arsed to cook! More beer too!
Just a thought: has anybody thought about ACTUALLY arranging a big hot-tub and lots of food and booze?! Clearly it couldn't possibly be the Girlie-Free Zone though - cos that would just take ALL the fun out of it...
G x
Back on-line in a new house - with wireless broadband too! Heaven! :bounce:
Mr FC - it's Old Speck this week is it? That'll do NICELY! :P
Who's bringing the take-out feast then...? I don't care much if it's a Chinese banquet, multiple Indian dishes or just shit-loads of pizza cos it's been a MAD week at work and I REALLY can't be arsed to cook! More beer too!
Just a thought: has anybody thought about ACTUALLY arranging a big hot-tub and lots of food and booze?! Clearly it couldn't possibly be the Girlie-Free Zone though - cos that would just take ALL the fun out of it...
G x
I too remember it well - I was at home ironing uniform shirts ahead of a late shift (its funny how you get such vivid associated memories!) when my ex called me and told me to put the news on.
It really was unreal, surreal and totally horrifying at the same time. I have are couple of friends who are both FDNY paramedics so I remember very clearly the moment the first tower started to fall. I still feel a little guilty that my initial reaction wasn't about those still in the towers but instant realisation (and horror) that emergency service colleagues on the ground would be right underneath all that destruction as it came raining down around them.
I did eventually get e-mails from both the guys I knew to say they were alive and well (but had both been at Ground Zero at the time). It seems like such a tenuous link compared to those who lost family and friends - but I guess it shows how much that day touched the entire world in one way or another.
G.
It really was unreal, surreal and totally horrifying at the same time. I have are couple of friends who are both FDNY paramedics so I remember very clearly the moment the first tower started to fall. I still feel a little guilty that my initial reaction wasn't about those still in the towers but instant realisation (and horror) that emergency service colleagues on the ground would be right underneath all that destruction as it came raining down around them.
I did eventually get e-mails from both the guys I knew to say they were alive and well (but had both been at Ground Zero at the time). It seems like such a tenuous link compared to those who lost family and friends - but I guess it shows how much that day touched the entire world in one way or another.
G.
