There is actually a very serious point here, regarding the use of the Internet by terrorist organisations, and I think it shows that the net is a much more powerful medium than any that we've had access to before. I'm not sure if terrorists et al are aware of it, or they're just using it though.
If you watch something on television, you as the viewer don't control it, the tv company does. All that you can do is to choose not to watch something. Another point which is in many ways minor, but I think is also pertinant is that the tv is across the room from you. Consequently there is a distance between the viewer and what they're looking at. It's also contained to a greater extent because the television is in a corner of the room, it's easy to look away from and we've developed the ability to blank it out and talk to friends over it, or get up and leave it to go and make tea.
With the net, it's rather different, and the viewer has much more control. You usually search for the image or video, and you directly control the speed, pause, zoom functions and so on. You can also watch it over again if you wish to. Consequently, the image/video is much more 'real' than something on television, and as a result it has a greater power to shock or upset. Terrorists are therefore able to bring things right into your own home to a much greater extent than they can do with footage released to television companies.
I've not seen either video, nor do I wish to, but I'm not in the slightest bit surprised that they are distressing.
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Always lots of articles about the little gems that children come out with, so I thought as a twist I'd mention some things that parents (well, mine at least) can come out with at times. I've
already mentioned my mother and her vibrator in the 'Daft instructions' thread, but I've got a couple of others....
Picture the scene if you will: sunday lunch, with both of us, my parents and my (then) small brother. We're all happily tucking in, and I'd just taken a mouthful of food and my mother turned to me and completely out of the blue said 'What's a blow job?' I almost choked, J concentrated on looking at the pattern on her plate and my small brother slid under the table. I recovered my composure as best I could, swallowed without choking, smiled and played my ace in the hole. 'Oh' says I, 'thats easy.... ask J after lunch!'. Apart from an aching ankle where she kicked me I thought it was a superb answer. And yes, my mother did ask, and she was told exactly what it was.
The other mind boggler was when we were at home watching some tv drama, can't remember which, but a bloke goes into a shop and buys a rubber doll. My mum looks at this and says 'What's that?'
'Ummm, it's a rubber doll, mum'.
'Oh.' <pause> 'What's a rubber doll then? What does he do with it?'
<longer pause from me while I try to work out what to say - my mother is very innocent indeed, and she really didn't know!.> 'Well, I expect he's going to blow it up and use it mum'.
'Oh' <frown> 'What's he going to use it for?'
Well, what do you say at this point? I didn't think 'fuck his brains out' would be a suitable reply so I decided on the subtle approach. 'Umm.. well.... it has er... holes in it'.
'Oh. If it's got holes in it, how can he blow it up?'
'They're anatomically correctly positioned holes mum'
'Oh. Oh. OH!'
She's never asked any questions since.
already mentioned my mother and her vibrator in the 'Daft instructions' thread, but I've got a couple of others....
Picture the scene if you will: sunday lunch, with both of us, my parents and my (then) small brother. We're all happily tucking in, and I'd just taken a mouthful of food and my mother turned to me and completely out of the blue said 'What's a blow job?' I almost choked, J concentrated on looking at the pattern on her plate and my small brother slid under the table. I recovered my composure as best I could, swallowed without choking, smiled and played my ace in the hole. 'Oh' says I, 'thats easy.... ask J after lunch!'. Apart from an aching ankle where she kicked me I thought it was a superb answer. And yes, my mother did ask, and she was told exactly what it was.
The other mind boggler was when we were at home watching some tv drama, can't remember which, but a bloke goes into a shop and buys a rubber doll. My mum looks at this and says 'What's that?'
'Ummm, it's a rubber doll, mum'.
'Oh.' <pause> 'What's a rubber doll then? What does he do with it?'
<longer pause from me while I try to work out what to say - my mother is very innocent indeed, and she really didn't know!.> 'Well, I expect he's going to blow it up and use it mum'.
'Oh' <frown> 'What's he going to use it for?'
Well, what do you say at this point? I didn't think 'fuck his brains out' would be a suitable reply so I decided on the subtle approach. 'Umm.. well.... it has er... holes in it'.
'Oh. If it's got holes in it, how can he blow it up?'
'They're anatomically correctly positioned holes mum'
'Oh. Oh. OH!'
She's never asked any questions since.
It's very funny indeed, and it makes me laugh everytime I read or hear it. However, it's a story that has been doing the rounds since about 1918, and has been used in monologues by Gerald Huffnung and (I believe) Blaster Bates and has been included in records that both of them have released in the past.
You can read more about it at:
.... but even if it's not true, it's still funny!
P.
You can read more about it at:
.... but even if it's not true, it's still funny!
P.
I tried to give blood once. They tried one arm, then tried the other arm and couldn't find a vein, so eventually they gave up. Within two days I had a huge bruise from elbow to wrist down both arms and my doctor said that I shouldn't bother to try again! 
Which is a shame, because I'd really like to!
P.
Which is a shame, because I'd really like to!P.
Well, I guess that it makes a change to the instructions that I've seen on some vibrators explaining that they're good for back ache etc. I do like the idea of you having an unexplained calf pain and poking it, saying 'well, explain yourself!' (Er, not that I want you actually HAVE an unexplained calf pain if you see what I mean!)
Reminds me of a couple of years ago when my mum (gawd bless 'er) actually did get a vibrator for back pains and so on, specifically designed for that purpose. We were settled down watching the tv and my father went upstairs for something and my mum called out 'Can you bring my vibrator downstairs please - I'm aching!'.
Of course we then had to explain why we were having hysterics, which wasn't easy!
P.
Reminds me of a couple of years ago when my mum (gawd bless 'er) actually did get a vibrator for back pains and so on, specifically designed for that purpose. We were settled down watching the tv and my father went upstairs for something and my mum called out 'Can you bring my vibrator downstairs please - I'm aching!'.
Of course we then had to explain why we were having hysterics, which wasn't easy!
P.
A few people have been kind enough to comment on the avatar that I use, and one or two sharp eyed people have noticed that I'm just wearing paint. Someone asked recently how to do it, so rather than just reply to them I thought it might be of interest to other people if I got P to explain how to do it, because it's fun, easy to do and you're all the kind of folks who might enjoy giving it a go!
Quick guide to bodypainting.
First of all, you don't need any expensive paints - any toyshop should have little sets of children's face painting kits, and you just need one of those to get you started. It's worth buying a couple of extra paint brushes as well - a large one and a small one. You should also get a sponge of some sort as well, since this will speed up the process.
Next, decide what your model is going to be 'wearing' - a t-shirt is an easy place to start, or a football top, or a bikini. If you're a crap artist (and I consider myself to be pretty dire), get the model to put the top on first of all, and take lots of photographs, so you can see how the top looks like on - you want to pay particular attention to the way the material folds, where the highlights are and so on. Print these out and use them as a basis for the paint job.
Start by outlining the edges of the top on the stomach and the arms. If you're doing a shirt or bikini work out where the edges are and pay attention to getting that right to begin with.
When you've done that, take your sponge, choose the main background colour and put it on, with a dabbing type motion - it's much quicker to do that than it is to paint it, and you get a much more even covering of paint. You'll need to pay particular attention to the nipples if your model is female since they're going to get hard, and you need to get the paint into all the crinkly places! (This is one of the fun bits for both parties by the way!)
Next, take a slightly darker colour (mixing paint if needs be) and with your brush, start to paint in the creases in the 'fabric'. This is where the pictures you took earlier will be useful. Next, take a lighter colour and do the highlights and allow to dry.
Take a small paintbrush and just dampen it slightly and then start to merge the highlights with the base colour and the same with the darker folds, to create a natural look.
Finally, add any finishing touches such as buttons, stitching and so on and hey presto! One painted person!
A few other points:
This will take *a long time*. A top and shorts can take up to 2 hours, so make sure your model has a book to read or the tv to watch.
If your model has large breasts, pay particular attention to underneath the breast, other wise you'll find you've got unpainted skin which will show if she stretches. Consequently, get her to stretch while you're painting, just so that you can reach those areas.
The paint should last for a fair while before it starts to wear off, but the hotter the weather, (not a problem at this time of year!), the more she'll sweat and the streakier the paint will get.
Paint does wear off if she's wearing clothes, or sitting in a car on the way to a photoshoot; there's not much you can do about it, other than be aware of this, and try and minimise any 'wear and tear'.
The paint DOES come off quite easily in the shower, although black is the colour that tends to require quite a lot of rubbing. It's a problem with the cheap paints, but you can buy more expensive ones (and have a greater choice of colours), for about five quid a pot. Sounds a lot of money, but they last for years and years.
As for showing off your work; if your model is a bit shy, get her to wear an open shirt (make sure that it's an old one that you don't mind getting paint on) and just paint her front. Then, if she's a bit unhappy at any point, simply buttoning up the shirt returns her immediately to her modest state!
Once you get more adept at using paint, and your model gets more confident, try going for a full body paint job. We did a set a couple of years ago, and went out into Hounslow highstreet. Completely naked, except for paint and shoes and no-one turned a hair or noticed that J was only in paint. People are generally not very observant and if they expect to see someone wearing a t-shirt, that's all they'll register, not the fact that it's paint.
If you want to see some pictures of that shoot, click on the WW link at the bottom of the post and take a look - comments welcome!
Finally, if you want to try it out, (and you live in the south east) we'd be happy to come round and give you a demonstration or paint yourself or your model so you can see how it's done. And of course, if you've got any questions, send us a PM.
Happy painting!
J&P
Quick guide to bodypainting.
First of all, you don't need any expensive paints - any toyshop should have little sets of children's face painting kits, and you just need one of those to get you started. It's worth buying a couple of extra paint brushes as well - a large one and a small one. You should also get a sponge of some sort as well, since this will speed up the process.
Next, decide what your model is going to be 'wearing' - a t-shirt is an easy place to start, or a football top, or a bikini. If you're a crap artist (and I consider myself to be pretty dire), get the model to put the top on first of all, and take lots of photographs, so you can see how the top looks like on - you want to pay particular attention to the way the material folds, where the highlights are and so on. Print these out and use them as a basis for the paint job.
Start by outlining the edges of the top on the stomach and the arms. If you're doing a shirt or bikini work out where the edges are and pay attention to getting that right to begin with.
When you've done that, take your sponge, choose the main background colour and put it on, with a dabbing type motion - it's much quicker to do that than it is to paint it, and you get a much more even covering of paint. You'll need to pay particular attention to the nipples if your model is female since they're going to get hard, and you need to get the paint into all the crinkly places! (This is one of the fun bits for both parties by the way!)
Next, take a slightly darker colour (mixing paint if needs be) and with your brush, start to paint in the creases in the 'fabric'. This is where the pictures you took earlier will be useful. Next, take a lighter colour and do the highlights and allow to dry.
Take a small paintbrush and just dampen it slightly and then start to merge the highlights with the base colour and the same with the darker folds, to create a natural look.
Finally, add any finishing touches such as buttons, stitching and so on and hey presto! One painted person!
A few other points:
This will take *a long time*. A top and shorts can take up to 2 hours, so make sure your model has a book to read or the tv to watch.
If your model has large breasts, pay particular attention to underneath the breast, other wise you'll find you've got unpainted skin which will show if she stretches. Consequently, get her to stretch while you're painting, just so that you can reach those areas.
The paint should last for a fair while before it starts to wear off, but the hotter the weather, (not a problem at this time of year!), the more she'll sweat and the streakier the paint will get.
Paint does wear off if she's wearing clothes, or sitting in a car on the way to a photoshoot; there's not much you can do about it, other than be aware of this, and try and minimise any 'wear and tear'.
The paint DOES come off quite easily in the shower, although black is the colour that tends to require quite a lot of rubbing. It's a problem with the cheap paints, but you can buy more expensive ones (and have a greater choice of colours), for about five quid a pot. Sounds a lot of money, but they last for years and years.
As for showing off your work; if your model is a bit shy, get her to wear an open shirt (make sure that it's an old one that you don't mind getting paint on) and just paint her front. Then, if she's a bit unhappy at any point, simply buttoning up the shirt returns her immediately to her modest state!
Once you get more adept at using paint, and your model gets more confident, try going for a full body paint job. We did a set a couple of years ago, and went out into Hounslow highstreet. Completely naked, except for paint and shoes and no-one turned a hair or noticed that J was only in paint. People are generally not very observant and if they expect to see someone wearing a t-shirt, that's all they'll register, not the fact that it's paint.
If you want to see some pictures of that shoot, click on the WW link at the bottom of the post and take a look - comments welcome!
Finally, if you want to try it out, (and you live in the south east) we'd be happy to come round and give you a demonstration or paint yourself or your model so you can see how it's done. And of course, if you've got any questions, send us a PM.
Happy painting!
J&P
Has to be the Beatles. Though I'll be the first to admit that it would be kinda hard to manage it!
Also, having seen the ABBA thing on tv a while ago it'd be cool to see them perform again.
Of course, the problem with re-forming is that if any band does the 'old stuff' it's not going to be as good. And if they do new stuff, it's not going to be the same as the old stuff.
So, on the whole, I think it's probably best that they stay perfect in our memories.
J
Also, having seen the ABBA thing on tv a while ago it'd be cool to see them perform again.
Of course, the problem with re-forming is that if any band does the 'old stuff' it's not going to be as good. And if they do new stuff, it's not going to be the same as the old stuff.
So, on the whole, I think it's probably best that they stay perfect in our memories.
J
Plenty of good advice already. Ours (from the viewpoint of a couple) is that both sides need to know exactly what is ok and what isn't. The couple involved should let you know what is not acceptable for them before the meeting, and you should do the same. As already suggested, a list of 'I'd like to do x' 'I'm ok with y, depending on the situation' 'I'd rather not or won't do z'.
It should go without saying, but be presentable, neat, very recently showered/washed, bring your own condoms and don't wear too much aftershave! We've met guys who wear so much they must have splashed on a whole bottle beforehand.
Go with the flow of the evening, don't have any particular expectations, and be considerate to both of them.
Oh yeah, and have a great time!
J&P
It should go without saying, but be presentable, neat, very recently showered/washed, bring your own condoms and don't wear too much aftershave! We've met guys who wear so much they must have splashed on a whole bottle beforehand.
Go with the flow of the evening, don't have any particular expectations, and be considerate to both of them.
Oh yeah, and have a great time!
J&P
Has to be Sean Connery - no doubt about it. He was attractive, lethal, with a dry sense of humour and very little by the way of morals.
As for the others:
Roger Moore. A sad, tedious joke that went on for far too long and turned Bond into a comic cartoon nonsense.
Dalton. Very smooth, liked him a lot and it was a real shame he didn't have the opportunity of taking the part further.
Lazenby. OHMSS was one of the best Bond films ever, but the man just blew it.
Brosnan. Ok, but not really up to the part IMO.
Niven. Well, David Niven was David Niven, and he can be forgiven anything, even the dross of Casino Royale.
But enough with the guys - what about the Bond girls? Diana Rigg has to be up there towards Number 1 spot, but Honor Blackman was pretty neat as well. Jane Seymour was very nifty too!
Oh, decisions decisions!
As for the others:
Roger Moore. A sad, tedious joke that went on for far too long and turned Bond into a comic cartoon nonsense.
Dalton. Very smooth, liked him a lot and it was a real shame he didn't have the opportunity of taking the part further.
Lazenby. OHMSS was one of the best Bond films ever, but the man just blew it.
Brosnan. Ok, but not really up to the part IMO.
Niven. Well, David Niven was David Niven, and he can be forgiven anything, even the dross of Casino Royale.
But enough with the guys - what about the Bond girls? Diana Rigg has to be up there towards Number 1 spot, but Honor Blackman was pretty neat as well. Jane Seymour was very nifty too!
Oh, decisions decisions!
Ceasers isn't a club as such, it's a location which hosts different clubs. Consequently, it depends on what club is taking place on a particular evening as to what it is like. The venue however is good - there are several chill out areas, some smaller rooms and areas for different types of play, a bar which serves reasonably priced drinks, a stage and a large dance area which is sometimes used for dancing while at other times is used for BDSM equipment.
It's fairly easy to get to, though the drive way is poorly lit and the carpark area (while large) is unmade, so park close to the entrance unless you want to take the chance of walking through puddles - not to be recommended in high heels.
So yes, it's a good location, but as I say, it depends on what club is there on a particular night - they host BDSM nights and swingers nights as well - so check out what is being run before you turn up. Oh yes, there's also a membership charge as well, but it's not excessive.
P.
It's fairly easy to get to, though the drive way is poorly lit and the carpark area (while large) is unmade, so park close to the entrance unless you want to take the chance of walking through puddles - not to be recommended in high heels.
So yes, it's a good location, but as I say, it depends on what club is there on a particular night - they host BDSM nights and swingers nights as well - so check out what is being run before you turn up. Oh yes, there's also a membership charge as well, but it's not excessive.
P.
I think it's only polite for a guy to bring them with him - it is after all a shared experience, and in more ways than one. Having said that, we've got our own - J doesn't like ones with the little teat thing at the end, so we've got some without it. And yes, she does put them on the guy using her mouth.
P.
P.
I've been doing a little more work into this and have a little more information. Apparently the first 'official' reference to 'willy' is in the 1905 in the British Medical Journal. A genital cold injury ... is described as "Arctic Willy". So, all the doggers out there on cold winter evenings now know what to describe their feelings as!
"John Thomas" was used by D. H. Lawrence in Lady Chatterley's Lover, written in 1928 and first published in an unabridged edition in Britain in 1959, but has been in use in England since the mid 19th century.
"John Thomas" was used by D. H. Lawrence in Lady Chatterley's Lover, written in 1928 and first published in an unabridged edition in Britain in 1959, but has been in use in England since the mid 19th century.
Hi Heather,
Well, I read through you ad, and it's quite clear what you're interested in and what you're not. The only thing that I could suggest is to change the way in which your advert is formatted.... there's a lot of lines of text there, and I suppose some guys might just skim through. You could try breaking it out a bit, such as:
I'm not interested in:
Single guys
One night stands
I am interested in:
Gangbangs
Group sex
Bi-women
(or whatever you want in the list obviously), but even then I suspect that you'll get emails from guys who take the shotgun approach and think that if they blast off enough emails someone is going to take them up on their offer.
Phil.
Well, I read through you ad, and it's quite clear what you're interested in and what you're not. The only thing that I could suggest is to change the way in which your advert is formatted.... there's a lot of lines of text there, and I suppose some guys might just skim through. You could try breaking it out a bit, such as:
I'm not interested in:
Single guys
One night stands
I am interested in:
Gangbangs
Group sex
Bi-women
(or whatever you want in the list obviously), but even then I suspect that you'll get emails from guys who take the shotgun approach and think that if they blast off enough emails someone is going to take them up on their offer.
Phil.
A few that I found:
bone,
boner,
hard-on,
presidential staff,
stick,
wood,
woody,
stiffy
arrow,
bishop in a turtleneck,
blue-veined microphone,
chode,
Clyde,
cock,
crank,
dick,
dong,
egg roll,
hog or hawg,
johnson,
john-thomas,
knob, lad (Irish),
love snake,
manmeat,
meat,
member,
mushroom cap,
old fellow,
one-eyed monster,
one-eyed snake,
pecker,
Pedro,
Peter,
Percy,
plum (of the head only),
pork hammer,
pork sword,
prick,
purple-headed (something),
rod,
scepter,
schlong,
shaft,
snopp,
Stanley (the power tool),
talliwhacker,
todger,
tool,
trouser snake,
trouser trout,
unit,
wang,
warrior of love,
wiener,
willie,
yogurt slinger
From the Straight Dope, there's a discussion of the slang term 'dick' which states (not very helpfully I might add) "The use of "dick" as coarse slang for penis first arises around 1890. Tracking the history of uncouth words is not easy, since such expressions were not generally written down. How "dick" came to be associated with penis is not known, although the riding whip may have pointed the way."
Don't know about the others though
bone,
boner,
hard-on,
presidential staff,
stick,
wood,
woody,
stiffy
arrow,
bishop in a turtleneck,
blue-veined microphone,
chode,
Clyde,
cock,
crank,
dick,
dong,
egg roll,
hog or hawg,
johnson,
john-thomas,
knob, lad (Irish),
love snake,
manmeat,
meat,
member,
mushroom cap,
old fellow,
one-eyed monster,
one-eyed snake,
pecker,
Pedro,
Peter,
Percy,
plum (of the head only),
pork hammer,
pork sword,
prick,
purple-headed (something),
rod,
scepter,
schlong,
shaft,
snopp,
Stanley (the power tool),
talliwhacker,
todger,
tool,
trouser snake,
trouser trout,
unit,
wang,
warrior of love,
wiener,
willie,
yogurt slinger
From the Straight Dope, there's a discussion of the slang term 'dick' which states (not very helpfully I might add) "The use of "dick" as coarse slang for penis first arises around 1890. Tracking the history of uncouth words is not easy, since such expressions were not generally written down. How "dick" came to be associated with penis is not known, although the riding whip may have pointed the way."
Don't know about the others though
How to make a woman happy?
It's really not difficult...
To make a woman happy; a man only needs to be :
1. a friend
2. a companion
3. a lover
4. a brother
5. a father
6. a master
7. a chef
8. an electrician
9. a carpenter
10. a plumber
11. a mechanic
12. a decorator
13. a stylist
14. a sexologist
15. a gynaecologist
16. a psychologist
17. a pest exterminator
18. a psychiatrist
19. a healer
20. a good listener
21. an organiser
22. a good father
23. very clean
24. sympathetic
25. athletic
26. warm
27. attentive
28. gallant
29. intelligent
30. funny
31. creative
32. tender
33. strong
34. understanding
35. tolerant
36. prudent
37. ambitious
38. capable
39. courageous
40. determined
41. true
42. dependable
43. passionate
WITHOUT FORGETTING TO:
44. give her compliments regularly
45. love shopping
46. be honest
47. be very rich
48. not stress her out
49. not look at other girls
AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU MUST ALSO:
50. give her lots of attention, but expect little yourself
51. give her lots of time, especially time for herself
52. give her lots of space, never worrying about where she goes
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT:
53. Never to forget:
* birthdays
* anniversaries
* arrangements she makes
HOW TO MAKE A MAN HAPPY :
1. Shag him
2. Leave him in peace
It's really not difficult...
To make a woman happy; a man only needs to be :
1. a friend
2. a companion
3. a lover
4. a brother
5. a father
6. a master
7. a chef
8. an electrician
9. a carpenter
10. a plumber
11. a mechanic
12. a decorator
13. a stylist
14. a sexologist
15. a gynaecologist
16. a psychologist
17. a pest exterminator
18. a psychiatrist
19. a healer
20. a good listener
21. an organiser
22. a good father
23. very clean
24. sympathetic
25. athletic
26. warm
27. attentive
28. gallant
29. intelligent
30. funny
31. creative
32. tender
33. strong
34. understanding
35. tolerant
36. prudent
37. ambitious
38. capable
39. courageous
40. determined
41. true
42. dependable
43. passionate
WITHOUT FORGETTING TO:
44. give her compliments regularly
45. love shopping
46. be honest
47. be very rich
48. not stress her out
49. not look at other girls
AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU MUST ALSO:
50. give her lots of attention, but expect little yourself
51. give her lots of time, especially time for herself
52. give her lots of space, never worrying about where she goes
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT:
53. Never to forget:
* birthdays
* anniversaries
* arrangements she makes
HOW TO MAKE A MAN HAPPY :
1. Shag him
2. Leave him in peace
I generally wear black shoes, black leather trousers, black t-shirt and black leather waistcoast (is there a colour theme coming out here I wonder?)
If I want to be particularly dressy I'll wear a white frilly shirt with a velvet type long coat over the top.
As long as you make something of an effort, you shouldn't have any problems at all, but of course you could email the club arrangers and ask for their opinion on what would be acceptable to turn up in.
P.
If I want to be particularly dressy I'll wear a white frilly shirt with a velvet type long coat over the top.
As long as you make something of an effort, you shouldn't have any problems at all, but of course you could email the club arrangers and ask for their opinion on what would be acceptable to turn up in.
P.
We went out on a New Years day some years ago to blow away the cobwebs from the parties and stopped at one of our favourite locations. Even though it was snowing slightly we had 4 guys watching us! Of course, since I left the engine running for warmth inside the car, they may just have wanted to gather around so they could keep warm as well!
This was asked recently in the thread:
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/19577.html
but to save you the trouble of looking it up I'll post the answer again:
The terms “swinging†and “the swinging lifestyle†were coined by a minister during the 19th century in order to label individuals who chose to have sex with other individuals to whom they were not married. The minister was trying compare these consenting adults to monkeys, swinging from bed to bed as a monkey might swing from tree to tree. Little did he know that soon the term would be reclaimed by the swingers themselves!
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/19577.html
but to save you the trouble of looking it up I'll post the answer again:
The terms “swinging†and “the swinging lifestyle†were coined by a minister during the 19th century in order to label individuals who chose to have sex with other individuals to whom they were not married. The minister was trying compare these consenting adults to monkeys, swinging from bed to bed as a monkey might swing from tree to tree. Little did he know that soon the term would be reclaimed by the swingers themselves!
"Love is for a special person only." Well, we're in disagreement already; people can love lots of others - parents, brothers, sisters, children, long time friends and so on. So I suppose that what you mean is 'sexual love'. Certainly that is a special bond between people who are married, and it's another way of sharing. However, a deep meaningful relationship is a lot more than sex, which is only part (though a very good part) of it.
Some, perhaps most, couples prefer to limit sexual activity with each other, and that's fine. However, we're all different, and our approaches to sex are also very individual, obviously. Sexual activity is a very enjoyable thing, but I don't particularly see why it should be limited in the way you suggest, *as long as* both partners are happy with it. I'd much rather be with my partner, and watching her having an enjoyable time in a sexual activity than to be apart from her while we were both engaged in other activities. For us, it's all about sharing, and enjoying the other person enjoying something.
As for messages to other people - to be honest, I think the world would be a much better place if people shared more and fought less. Many of our friends know what we do, and I can honestly say that it's never caused a problem for any of them, and indeed some have tried it themselves, and have had a great time. So I think far from giving a negative message, it's actually a very positive one.
You say that you don't want to take the moral high ground, but that's exactly what you *are* trying to do, IMO. If you don't like what others do - that's fine, and I have no problem with it, but really, that's not what you're doing here, is it? Given your attitude and approach I really do have to wonder slightly as to your motivation for posting, but perhaps I'm just slightly cynical?
However, back to the point - I think you're confusing love and sex, and trying to make them equate to each other. Sure, for some, that's what works for them, but it doesn't for everyone. Love and sex compliment each other, but they're certainly not the same thing.
Another point that you make is also worth commenting on, and that's regarding the moral standards you were taught as a child. Morality is not something that stands still, nor are particular morals universal, one only has to look at different countries to see that. If your moral approach is fine for you - more power to you. However, your morals are not mine, and you shouldn't expect them to be. That doesn't mean you're right and I'm wrong, or vice versa, it just means that we're different, that's all. So no, the moral standards you were taught as a child (or at least those relating to sexual behaviour) don't apply to me, or many of the other people posting here, and I don't think you should either expect them to, or be surprised when they don't.
Some, perhaps most, couples prefer to limit sexual activity with each other, and that's fine. However, we're all different, and our approaches to sex are also very individual, obviously. Sexual activity is a very enjoyable thing, but I don't particularly see why it should be limited in the way you suggest, *as long as* both partners are happy with it. I'd much rather be with my partner, and watching her having an enjoyable time in a sexual activity than to be apart from her while we were both engaged in other activities. For us, it's all about sharing, and enjoying the other person enjoying something.
As for messages to other people - to be honest, I think the world would be a much better place if people shared more and fought less. Many of our friends know what we do, and I can honestly say that it's never caused a problem for any of them, and indeed some have tried it themselves, and have had a great time. So I think far from giving a negative message, it's actually a very positive one.
You say that you don't want to take the moral high ground, but that's exactly what you *are* trying to do, IMO. If you don't like what others do - that's fine, and I have no problem with it, but really, that's not what you're doing here, is it? Given your attitude and approach I really do have to wonder slightly as to your motivation for posting, but perhaps I'm just slightly cynical?
However, back to the point - I think you're confusing love and sex, and trying to make them equate to each other. Sure, for some, that's what works for them, but it doesn't for everyone. Love and sex compliment each other, but they're certainly not the same thing.
Another point that you make is also worth commenting on, and that's regarding the moral standards you were taught as a child. Morality is not something that stands still, nor are particular morals universal, one only has to look at different countries to see that. If your moral approach is fine for you - more power to you. However, your morals are not mine, and you shouldn't expect them to be. That doesn't mean you're right and I'm wrong, or vice versa, it just means that we're different, that's all. So no, the moral standards you were taught as a child (or at least those relating to sexual behaviour) don't apply to me, or many of the other people posting here, and I don't think you should either expect them to, or be surprised when they don't.
I agree that it's got to be Mr RSAB. If Steve_lincs had done it, he'd have had something sensible to say by way of an alibi. Debbywebs wouldn't have looked shocked and would not have made a point of counting her arrows. Mr RSAB implicated himself by admitting he knew when Ice Pie went out. Moreover, since there's snow on the ground, it's obviously winter, and I doubt there'd be many birds to photograph. Consequently, he must have put snow shoes on, followed in the tracks, shot Ice Pie, carefully put the snow shoes on in reverse and followed them back (or walked backwards).
Of course, this doesn't answer the question as to *why* he killed him!
Of course, this doesn't answer the question as to *why* he killed him!
Quote by purpleAny couples fancy a spot of tent swoping in a wild rock n roll enviroment,bike rally east our ad 54381,email us befor friday if ya wanna :P
Well, I've got a blue 2 person tent, and I'd be happy to swop it for a 3 person tent, preferably in green, with one of those nice crawly out tunnel bits so you don't get wet in the mornings.
Err.... have I got the right idea here? :roll:
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i have one question.. are u guys all travelling down to the club in your outfits or are u getting changes there?
i am slightly worried about walking through london in a veil and a mile of satin.
There should be changing facilities there, and a cloakroom; a lot of people change when they get there.
Phil.
The terms “swinging†and “the swinging lifestyle†were coined by a minister during the last century in order to label individuals who chose to have sex with other individuals to whom they were not married. The minister was trying compare these consenting adults to monkeys, swinging from bed to bed as a monkey might swing from tree to tree. Little did he know that soon the term would be reclaimed by the swingers themselves!
We were up in Cheshire over the weekend and found a nice little castle at some place called Stafford. I'm not *actually* sure it's that well known, but at least the people in Stafford know about it.
Was a lovely castle, with a fantastic view, which hopefully will come out in the background. Sent in the pic, so will see what we shall see!
Phil.
Was a lovely castle, with a fantastic view, which hopefully will come out in the background. Sent in the pic, so will see what we shall see!
Phil.
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ps love the paint job!
Thanks - glad you liked it. It took about 2 hours in total to do - I wore similar clothing to begin with, and P took some photographs of me in it, so that he could paint the clothing on more accurately. It was done with straight forward face paints that you can buy in toy shops, brushes (which *really* tickle in certain places) and sponges. As long as it's not really hot weather (sweating doesn't help the process, particularly since they are water based paints), it lasts for about 2 hours. Comes off in the shower (the paint that is, not me.. er.. well... ), though however long I shower for I never seem to get it all off - find little flecks for days afterwards.
J.